RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
Jeremy: EXCELLENT job! I go it now I think. To paraphrase: In coding there are many ways to get to the same result. Some ways are more efficient than others. These WAYS are what comprises the FRAMEWORK that is a compilation of Best Practices. Using the FRAMEWORK guarantees maximum efficiency in your code so you end up doing the same thing the same way, the right way (as proven by a team of veteran developers over time as a consensus). I got the whole Standards, Methodology thing. Thanks so much for the clarification. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:52 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? Dean makes an excellent point.. my actual example for a methodology was not all that great, but it was moving in the right direction. It is still a very good distinction to make as these things come up a lot. So to be clear.. a methodology is not really as concrete or encompassing as a standard but is more like a set of best practices on how you do something that get lumped together to form a methodology. Some of the time these practices are followed in a particular order as in method B comes after method A etc . They are just methods of doing something. Oh and thanks Dean, I knew I would pique someone as I knew that I was playing a little loose with terms myself (to make a point) ;-) Jeremy On 6/24/06, Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Jeremy, how you do secure encryption would be a standard. I know you and I often use the terms interchangeably on the project we're currently on, but standard is the proper term for prescriptive definitions of how to do XYZ. Standards represent the concrete implementation of policies which are high level advice on what should be done. Standards are followed explicitly. Guidelines are general advice on how to implement a policy, but they need not be followed explicitly. Sorry, just had to bust your butt on that. ;-) You can thank me later. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP,CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] [U] nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them --John Perry Barlow Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 24, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Jeremy Allen wrote: Well.. a framework is different from a methodology. A framework is a reusable set of components that help you achieve a certain design. When using a framework it contributes greatly to your overall software architecture and design. So a framework by itself is NOT a methodology. A methodology is just a set of rules and a way of doing things for a particular thing. You may use a framework as a part of a methodology I really dislike playing fast and loose with terms. So frameworks and methodologies are really quite different things. Ever since Fusebox started calling itself a methodology CF developers have been getting this mixed up. When we say framework we mean something like Struts, or Model-Glue or Hibernate. When we say a methodology we mean something like the scientific method. Like a secure encryption algorithm coding methodology would be a set of rules you would follow to help properly implement an encryption algorithm. So a methodology is HOW you might do something or how you did something. A methodology NOT a concrete implementation of a design pattern in the form of a reusable set of components that other developers can reuse. One other thing. Model Glue is NOT an application. It is a framework. It is a simplification to call MG an application. I will save the long explanation for what Visual Studio is and keep it simple: Visual Studio is a set of software development tools (an integrated development environment). It integrates your editing environment and your compilers and your deployment software into one relatively slick interface. Now the .NET *FRAMEWORK*, ASP.NET and the technologies that Visual Studio allows you to work with.. those are different beasts entirely. I will save the long discussion on those for another time. It is important to use these terms properly so that the CF community stays in step with the rest of the software development world in my opinion. This treads on the academic and pedantic for some, but when someone specifically asks about frameworks it is disingenuous to lump terms so broadly. So a good answer to that question is that a framework is a set of reusable components designed to help you achieve a certain design and architecture in your software. In this case Mach-II and Model-Glue et al are implementations of the Model View Controller design pattern. The benefits of MVC and frameworks that allow you to use
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
can implement a J2EE stack with a handy programming language like CF built into it. THe same sort of logic applies to avoiding frameworks without a really good reason. You use the tools that fit your situation. All that said there are still cases where you don't need a full framework. If your application is small enough you may not need it. However, most CF applications that ultimately creep from tiny to small in size (1-5 KLOC) range would benefit or would have benefited from being implemented using a MVC framework. The moral of all of this story is frameworks are good once you understand when to use them. And once you understand when to use them and HOW to use them you SHOULD use them where appropriate. OK.. who actually got this far? How is that for 1000 words on frameworks and methodologies and a few things in between? I would keep writing but the baby is crying now. Jeremy On 6/23/06, Steven Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A framework is simply a methodology... like someone else stated. Ie: you put all of X type code in X template and Y type code in Y template. Read up on MVC (model view controller) and Model Glue is simply an implementation of the MVC paradigm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Analagous to CSS then it would seem...Robert P. ReilManaging Director,Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message-From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:11 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? Well, MS Visual Studio is a develement environment for 'coding'.A framework is more a set of rules, guidelines, and plan-of-attacks tofollow while 'coding'.Consider this analogy.Lets say you are a writer of magazinearticles.The 'framework' in this sense maybe the particular approach you use to format your text, structure your paragraphs, etc.Maybeits a 'block framework' or 'free form framework' or 'The TimesFramework'.Also in this sense, what you type the articles on makesno difference to the framework, you could use a typewriter, pencil, or PC/Mac.DKOn 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically Model Glue is framework software. Frame Work software is basically an environment to build a CF App within that is able to manage jobs etc like MS Visual Studio? I then would not need to even be involved with this technology if I am the sole app developer or am able to micro manage the dev of this app. If I am incorrect please correct me.. NOW THAT'S! A CAN OF WORMS! Lol I sense a long thread today here Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:20 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? wow, what a can of worms!Personally, i'd worry about learning CF first, add frameworks in later.Frameworks are a sort of guide to building a application that a group of folks have a consensus on. Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can easily use the same vocabulary and if you add a new developer in the mix that knows ModelGlue, then they will already know the vocabulary and seeminlgy join in quicker and easier to the current conversations. DK On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hearing a lot about Framework. Also Model Glue, and others like the 2 seminette's we had at the last meeting. Question is: What is it all about, will I ever need it, and when would I? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com ---Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
and each of the components in the web application. You will be treading ground thousands upon thousands of developers have tread before. These frameworks represent software developers standing on the shoulders of those that come before us in terms of experience and knowledge. This store of knowledge in terms of design patterns and hard won experience should not be easily discarded. These frameworks exist because developers do the same things over and over. Formalizing these repeated patterns into a set of reusable components, in aggregate, save tons and tons of time. That is kind of the whole point of design patterns and implementing them. So do you need frameworks? Nope. Yes you should understand the underlying concepts and how to deal with the frameworks. You should understand the underlying principles of their use. You should not reinvent the wheel (unless you are dying to for academic purposes). Denying the use of a framework when you have the experience to use it and a perfect situation for it is downright silly. This is an extreme example that follows, but it is fun to put things into the context of the history of software. After all that is why we use ColdFusion. JJ Allaire and the gang way back when implemented CF Server it in C++. Somewhere along the way folks that knew assembler wrote the first C compilers (which were used to implement C++ compilers). And someone somewhere implemented the first assemblers in machine code. You don't see many people saying you should learn machine code to implement an assembler to create a C like language to create a Java Virtual machine so you can implement a J2EE stack with a handy programming language like CF built into it. THe same sort of logic applies to avoiding frameworks without a really good reason. You use the tools that fit your situation. All that said there are still cases where you don't need a full framework. If your application is small enough you may not need it. However, most CF applications that ultimately creep from tiny to small in size (1-5 KLOC) range would benefit or would have benefited from being implemented using a MVC framework. The moral of all of this story is frameworks are good once you understand when to use them. And once you understand when to use them and HOW to use them you SHOULD use them where appropriate. OK.. who actually got this far? How is that for 1000 words on frameworks and methodologies and a few things in between? I would keep writing but the baby is crying now. Jeremy On 6/23/06, Steven Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A framework is simply a methodology... like someone else stated. Ie: you put all of X type code in X template and Y type code in Y template. Read up on MVC (model view controller) and Model Glue is simply an implementation of the MVC paradigm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Analagous to CSS then it would seem...Robert P. ReilManaging Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message-From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:11 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? Well, MS Visual Studio is a develement environment for 'coding'.A framework is more a set of rules, guidelines, and plan-of-attacks tofollow while 'coding'.Consider this analogy.Lets say you are a writer of magazine articles.The 'framework' in this sense maybe the particular approach you use to format your text, structure your paragraphs, etc.Maybeits a 'block framework' or 'free form framework' or 'The TimesFramework'.Also in this sense, what you type the articles on makes no difference to the framework, you could use a typewriter, pencil, or PC/Mac.DKOn 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically Model Glue is framework software. Frame Work software is basically an environment to build a CF App within that is able to manage jobs etc like MS Visual Studio? I then would not need to even be involved with this technology if I am the sole app developer or am able to micro manage the dev of this app. If I am incorrect please correct me.. NOW THAT'S! A CAN OF WORMS! Lol I sense a long thread today here Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:20 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? wow, what a can of worms!Personally, i'd worry about learning CF first, add frameworks in later.Frameworks are a sort of guide to building a application that a group of folks have a consensus on. Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
wow, what a can of worms! Personally, i'd worry about learning CF first, add frameworks in later. Frameworks are a sort of guide to building a application that a group of folks have a consensus on. Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can easily use the same vocabulary and if you add a new developer in the mix that knows ModelGlue, then they will already know the vocabulary and seeminlgy join in quicker and easier to the current conversations. DK On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hearing a lot about Framework. Also Model Glue, and others like the 2 seminette's we had at the last meeting. Question is: What is it all about, will I ever need it, and when would I? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
Frameworks provide a thoughtful way of organizing your application. Frameworks like Model-Glue adhere to the concept of the Model-View-Controller (MVC). MVC, in terms of web applications, is basically a concept to seperate the role and functinality of each aspect of an application. The Model is the data abstraction, the View is the display page and the Controller is the application service logic layer. Model-Glue coined its name from the idea of glueing the Model to the application, thus Model-Glue.These frameworks represent a more Object Oriented (OO) approach to creating applications. When using Cold Fusion Components (CFCs), you have distinct types of developers. A great deal of developers think on how to get data to their application as their first premise. The OO approach is more service oriented. SOA or Service Oriented Architecture is how these frameworks tend to think. Instead of focusing on getting data, you have a service that has a specific purpose and the data is a secondary consideration.Doug is right to point out that first you need to grasp ColdFusion first and understand how to use a component before diving into the ocean deep idea of ColdFusion OO frameworks. Even ColdFusion veterans will have adaptation problems with modern ColdFusion frameworks. There are those who will argue that frameworks are unnecessary. There are an equal amount of those who will advocate frameworks until they are blue in the face.Do you need them? No.Would other developers recommend them? Yes. What are the two most likely future ColdFusion framework leaders? Model-Glue 2.0: Unity and Fusebox 5.0My $.02,TeddyOn 6/23/06, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, what a can of worms!Personally, i'd worry about learning CFfirst, add frameworks in later.Frameworks are a sort of guide tobuilding a application that a group of folks have a consensus on.Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can easily use the same vocabulary and if you add a new developer in the mix thatknows ModelGlue, then they will already know the vocabulary andseeminlgy join in quicker and easier to the current conversations.DK On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hearing a lot about Framework. Also Model Glue, and others like the 2 seminette's we had at the last meeting. Question is: What is it all about, will I ever need it, and when would I? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com--Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like it?-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -- cf_payne / - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
Model-Glue is an ColdFusion application. You extend Model-Glue by adding functionality and purpose to the application, thus your application needs.Think of it as series of templates and components that you don't have to write that work with you to create organized, reusable and persistent code pieces. MS Visual Studio using .Net creates compiled objects for deployment. ColdFusion is a dynamic compiler. You do not have to compile your components or templates prior to execution. ColdFusion will will create, cache and garbage collect your code for you. The .Net framework is native to MS operating system. Model-Glue afer it is executed is a Java compiled object that can be used on any operation system that supports Java and thus ColdFusion, which is a Java application. Understand this is a very simplistic view. The level of detail here is beyond what you may want.On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So basically Model Glue is framework software. Frame Work software is basically an environment to build a CF App withinthat is able to manage jobs etc like MS Visual Studio?I then would not need to even be involved with this technology if I am thesole app developer or am able to micro manage the dev of this app. If I am incorrect please correct me.. NOW THAT'S! A CAN OF WORMS!LolI sense a long thread today hereRobert P. ReilManaging Director,Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc.4292 Country Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851Fax 770-974-8852www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message-From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:20 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? wow, what a can of worms!Personally, i'd worry about learning CFfirst, add frameworks in later.Frameworks are a sort of guide tobuilding a application that a group of folks have a consensus on.Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can easily use the same vocabulary and if you add a new developer in the mix thatknows ModelGlue, then they will already know the vocabulary andseeminlgy join in quicker and easier to the current conversations.DK On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hearing a lot about Framework. Also Model Glue, and others like the 2 seminette's we had at the last meeting. Question is: What is it all about, will I ever need it, and when would I? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com--Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like it?-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com--- cf_payne / - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
Also, I forgot to mention New Atlanta's initiative of BlueDragon brings the two compiling paradigms together to effectively communication between .Net and ColdFusion objects.Model-Glue is being tested by users using BlueDragon 6.x.x. BlueDragon 7 should provide greater support for Model-Glue functionality.I am not a subscriber to the Fusebox mailing list, so I do not have visiblity of BlueDragon and Fusebox 5.Teddy On 6/23/06, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Model-Glue is an ColdFusion application. You extend Model-Glue by adding functionality and purpose to the application, thus your application needs.Think of it as series of templates and components that you don't have to write that work with you to create organized, reusable and persistent code pieces. MS Visual Studio using .Net creates compiled objects for deployment. ColdFusion is a dynamic compiler. You do not have to compile your components or templates prior to execution. ColdFusion will will create, cache and garbage collect your code for you. The .Net framework is native to MS operating system. Model-Glue afer it is executed is a Java compiled object that can be used on any operation system that supports Java and thus ColdFusion, which is a Java application. Understand this is a very simplistic view. The level of detail here is beyond what you may want.On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So basically Model Glue is framework software. Frame Work software is basically an environment to build a CF App withinthat is able to manage jobs etc like MS Visual Studio?I then would not need to even be involved with this technology if I am the sole app developer or am able to micro manage the dev of this app. If I am incorrect please correct me.. NOW THAT'S! A CAN OF WORMS!LolI sense a long thread today hereRobert P. ReilManaging Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc.4292 Country Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message-From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:20 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? wow, what a can of worms!Personally, i'd worry about learning CFfirst, add frameworks in later.Frameworks are a sort of guide tobuilding a application that a group of folks have a consensus on.Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can easily use the same vocabulary and if you add a new developer in the mix thatknows ModelGlue, then they will already know the vocabulary andseeminlgy join in quicker and easier to the current conversations.DK On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hearing a lot about Framework. Also Model Glue, and others like the 2 seminette's we had at the last meeting. Question is: What is it all about, will I ever need it, and when would I? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com --Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like it?-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -- cf_payne / -- cf_payne / - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
So It seems that it is really like Java/CF is a foundation to the house, and Model Glue is the FRAMEWORK (framing) of the house. All the details like Font Characteristics, or paragraph personalities, mapping, navigation etc in some way as to how things get to places are all done the same way using the same resources as possible. This I would guess would keep deveopers from making their own tools (files) to get data to create a solution when it really only needs to be done once. Im still a bit confused as to not being able to define it myself but I do understand that I dont need to know it for a while if ever. However if I hire a team of employees, consultants then I need to revisit this technology. Thats enough I guess. Thanks for helping to try to clear this up. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:22 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? Model-Glue is an ColdFusion application. You extend Model-Glue by adding functionality and purpose to the application, thus your application needs. Think of it as series of templates and components that you don't have to write that work with you to create organized, reusable and persistent code pieces. MS Visual Studio using .Net creates compiled objects for deployment. ColdFusion is a dynamic compiler. You do not have to compile your components or templates prior to execution. ColdFusion will will create, cache and garbage collect your code for you. The .Net framework is native to MS operating system. Model-Glue afer it is executed is a Java compiled object that can be used on any operation system that supports Java and thus ColdFusion, which is a Java application. Understand this is a very simplistic view. The level of detail here is beyond what you may want. On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically Model Glue is framework software. Frame Work software is basically an environment to build a CF App within that is able to manage jobs etc like MS Visual Studio? I then would not need to even be involved with this technology if I am the sole app developer or am able to micro manage the dev of this app. If I am incorrect please correct me.. NOW THAT'S! A CAN OF WORMS! Lol I sense a long thread today here Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:20 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? wow, what a can of worms!Personally, i'd worry about learning CF first, add frameworks in later.Frameworks are a sort of guide to building a application that a group of folks have a consensus on. Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can easily use the same vocabulary and if you add a new developer in the mix that knows ModelGlue, then they will already know the vocabulary and seeminlgy join in quicker and easier to the current conversations. DK On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hearing a lot about Framework. Also Model Glue, and others like the 2 seminette's we had at the last meeting. Question is: What is it all about, will I ever need it, and when would I? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???
A framework is simply a methodology... like someone else stated. Ie: you put all of X type code in X template and Y type code in Y template. Read up on MVC (model view controller) and Model Glue is simply an implementation of the MVC paradigm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controllerOn 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Analagous to CSS then it would seem...Robert P. ReilManaging Director,Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.4292 Country Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message-From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:11 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...???Well, MS Visual Studio is a develement environment for 'coding'.A framework is more a set of rules, guidelines, and plan-of-attacks tofollow while 'coding'.Consider this analogy.Lets say you are a writer of magazinearticles.The 'framework' in this sense maybe the particular approach you use to format your text, structure your paragraphs, etc.Maybeits a 'block framework' or 'free form framework' or 'The TimesFramework'.Also in this sense, what you type the articles on makesno difference to the framework, you could use a typewriter, pencil, or PC/Mac.DKOn 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically Model Glue is framework software. Frame Work software is basically an environment to build a CF App within that is able to manage jobs etc like MS Visual Studio? I then would not need to even be involved with this technology if I am the sole app developer or am able to micro manage the dev of this app. If I am incorrect please correct me.. NOW THAT'S! A CAN OF WORMS! Lol I sense a long thread today here Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:20 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ???...Model Glue, Frame Work Etc...??? wow, what a can of worms!Personally, i'd worry about learning CF first, add frameworks in later.Frameworks are a sort of guide to building a application that a group of folks have a consensus on. Thus developers working on a project that use say ModelGlue can easily use the same vocabulary and if you add a new developer in the mix that knows ModelGlue, then they will already know the vocabulary and seeminlgy join in quicker and easier to the current conversations. DK On 6/23/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hearing a lot about Framework. Also Model Glue, and others like the 2 seminette's we had at the last meeting. Question is: What is it all about, will I ever need it, and when would I? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com ---Douglas Knudsenhttp://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like it? -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-- To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com--- Steven Rossweb application interface developer http://www.zerium.com[phone] 404-488-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info
