RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

[Charlie Arehart]

A couple of thoughts.

1) yep, great to see the list reviving a bit, and to hear from folks again. :-)

2) About the Adobe breakfast, and “knowing about it”, I’ll just share that it 
was also posted on the Adobe CF Community portal, which is a hybrid blog and 
gateway to the CF forums. The posting was here:

https://coldfusion.adobe.com/2018/02/adobe-coldfusion-roadshow-february-20-march-3/


And it’s still near the top at https://coldfusion.adobe.com. FWIW, there is 
also still the older Adobe blog at blogs.coldfusion.com. (Curiously, this 
roadshow post was made only at the former, not the latter.)

3) Indeed, everyone interested in CF should keep an eye on both, really, or add 
them to any feed tools you have (the feeds are 
https://coldfusion.adobe.com/feed/ and http://blogs.adobe.com/coldfusion/feed/, 
respectively). I use a nifty free service, called https://blogtrottr.com, to be 
emailed about any postings.  To be clear, the portal is also where ANYONE can 
post CF content, so you’ll hear from more than just Adobe.

And since it’s indeed been a while since the list was active, I’ll just point 
out that I won’t be at the breakfast because (as some of you know) my wife and 
I had moved from ATL to south central KY back in 2015. Yep, we “bought the 
farm”, in the good sense. :-) I work from a cabin, still doing remote CF server 
troubleshooting, and as busy doing it as ever. Viva la CF! :-)

/charlie

 

From: ad...@acfug.org  On Behalf Of Kyle Shiflett
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 01:30 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

 

Cameron,

I saw it on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/events/150605922271350/

To RSVP, you have to email Kishore at kish...@adobe.com 
<mailto:kish...@adobe.com> 

I've included the email I received below.

Kyle

--

Thank you for accepting the meeting invite for Adobe ColdFusion breakfast 
meeting . The meeting would be held at Courtyard Atlanta Midtown/Georgia Tech, 
1132 Techwood Drive NW, Atlanta, GA.
 
The schedule for the day would be:
 
8:00 AM – 9:00 AM – Breakfast
9:00 AM – 10:00 AM – What’s new in ColdFusion 2018 and Future plans for 
ColdFusion
10:00 AM – 10:30 AM – What was new in ColdFusion 2016 and ColdFusion 11
10:30 AM – 11:00 AM – Demonstration of the Performance Management Suite in 
ColdFusion 2018
 
Looking forward to meeting you there. Please feel free to forward it to anyone 
else in your organization who would be interested in joining us.
 
Regards,
kishore







Cameron Childress <mailto:camer...@gmail.com> 

February 26, 2018 at 2:24 PM

Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe 
breakfast / meeting on Friday?

 

Do you have a link? I don't think I saw anything about this.

 

-Cameron

 

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p:   678.637.5072  

 

Kyle Shiflett <mailto:k...@shiflett.net> 

February 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM

Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe 
breakfast / meeting on Friday?

 

I’m hoping to be there.

 

Kyle 

 

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

[Douglas Knudsen]

Cheers!


Douglas 'DK' Knudsen
http://www.cubicleman.com

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Scott Dowling  wrote:

> Cam,
> Kyle posted this one earlier,
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/150605922271350/
>
> -Scott
>
> On Feb 26, 2018 4:04 PM, "Cameron Childress"  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Kyle Shiflett wrote:
>>
>>> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the
>>> Adobe breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>>>
>>
>> Do you have a link? I don't think I saw anything about this.
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>> --
>> Cameron Childress
>> p:   678.637.5072 <(678)%20637-5072>
>>
>>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

[Scott Dowling]

Cam,
Kyle posted this one earlier,

https://www.facebook.com/events/150605922271350/

-Scott

On Feb 26, 2018 4:04 PM, "Cameron Childress"  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Kyle Shiflett wrote:
>
>> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe
>> breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>>
>
> Do you have a link? I don't think I saw anything about this.
>
> -Cameron
>
> --
> Cameron Childress
> p:   678.637.5072 <(678)%20637-5072>
>
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

[Kevin Hellriegel]

Wish I could go, but our project lead is out that day so I need to be in
the office to cover for him

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Kyle Shiflett  wrote:

> Cameron,
>
> I saw it on FB:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/150605922271350/
>
> To RSVP, you have to email Kishore at kish...@adobe.com
>
> I've included the email I received below.
>
> Kyle
>
> --
>
> Thank you for accepting the meeting invite for Adobe ColdFusion breakfast
> meeting . The meeting would be held at Courtyard Atlanta Midtown/Georgia
> Tech, 1132 Techwood Drive NW, Atlanta, GA
> 
> .
>
> The schedule for the day would be:
>
> 8:00 AM – 9:00 AM – Breakfast
> 9:00 AM – 10:00 AM – What’s new in ColdFusion 2018 and Future plans for
> ColdFusion
> 10:00 AM – 10:30 AM – What was new in ColdFusion 2016 and ColdFusion 11
> 10:30 AM – 11:00 AM – Demonstration of the Performance Management Suite in
> ColdFusion 2018
>
> Looking forward to meeting you there. Please feel free to forward it to
> anyone else in your organization who would be interested in joining us.
>
> Regards,
> kishore
>
>
>
>
> Cameron Childress 
> February 26, 2018 at 2:24 PM
>
>> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe
>> breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>>
>
> Do you have a link? I don't think I saw anything about this.
>
> -Cameron
>
> --
> Cameron Childress
> p:   678.637.5072 <%28678%29%20637-5072>
>
> Kyle Shiflett 
> February 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM
> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe
> breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>
> I’m hoping to be there.
>
> Kyle
>
>
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

[Cameron Childress]

Interesting. Thanks for the info! Don't know if I will make it but who
knows...

-Cameron

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Kyle Shiflett  wrote:

> Cameron,
>
> I saw it on FB:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/150605922271350/
>
> To RSVP, you have to email Kishore at kish...@adobe.com
>
> I've included the email I received below.
>
> Kyle
>
> --
>
> Thank you for accepting the meeting invite for Adobe ColdFusion breakfast
> meeting . The meeting would be held at Courtyard Atlanta Midtown/Georgia
> Tech, 1132 Techwood Drive NW, Atlanta, GA
> 
> .
>
> The schedule for the day would be:
>
> 8:00 AM – 9:00 AM – Breakfast
> 9:00 AM – 10:00 AM – What’s new in ColdFusion 2018 and Future plans for
> ColdFusion
> 10:00 AM – 10:30 AM – What was new in ColdFusion 2016 and ColdFusion 11
> 10:30 AM – 11:00 AM – Demonstration of the Performance Management Suite in
> ColdFusion 2018
>
> Looking forward to meeting you there. Please feel free to forward it to
> anyone else in your organization who would be interested in joining us.
>
> Regards,
> kishore
>
>
>
>
> Cameron Childress 
> February 26, 2018 at 2:24 PM
>
>> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe
>> breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>>
>
> Do you have a link? I don't think I saw anything about this.
>
> -Cameron
>
> --
> Cameron Childress
> p:   678.637.5072 <%28678%29%20637-5072>
>
> Kyle Shiflett 
> February 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM
> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe
> breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>
> I’m hoping to be there.
>
> Kyle
>
>
>


-- 
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p:   678.637.5072

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

[Kyle Shiflett]

Cameron,

I saw it on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/events/150605922271350/

To RSVP, you have to email Kishore at kish...@adobe.com

I've included the email I received below.

Kyle

--

Thank you for accepting the meeting invite for Adobe ColdFusion
breakfast meeting . The meeting would be held at Courtyard Atlanta
Midtown/Georgia Tech, 1132 Techwood Drive NW, Atlanta, GA.
 
The schedule for the day would be:
 
8:00 AM – 9:00 AM – Breakfast
9:00 AM – 10:00 AM – What’s new in ColdFusion 2018 and Future plans for
ColdFusion
10:00 AM – 10:30 AM – What was new in ColdFusion 2016 and ColdFusion 11
10:30 AM – 11:00 AM – Demonstration of the Performance Management Suite
in ColdFusion 2018
 
Looking forward to meeting you there. Please feel free to forward it to
anyone else in your organization who would be interested in joining us.
 
Regards,
kishore




> Cameron Childress 
> February 26, 2018 at 2:24 PM
>
> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to
> the Adobe breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>
>
> Do you have a link? I don't think I saw anything about this.
>
> -Cameron
>
> -- 
> Cameron Childress
> p:   678.637.5072 
>
> Kyle Shiflett 
> February 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM
> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the
> Adobe breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>
> I’m hoping to be there.
>
> Kyle 

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Breakfast

[Cameron Childress]

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Kyle Shiflett wrote:

> Since the list is suddenly back from the dead - anyone going to the Adobe
> breakfast / meeting on Friday?
>

Do you have a link? I don't think I saw anything about this.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe products... Educational discount?

[Frank Moorman]

Thanks, Howard...  That was what I was looking for and I forwarded it to my
Nephew and my Brother.

Josh, no clue... I'll take a peek at your blog when I get a chance... I will let
you know of any opportunities, but I am looking myself for freelance positions.

Charlie I'll pass your link on later today. That may be the way to go as these
are still expensive titles even with the 80% educational discount. (I looked and
it appearred that what was needed was $300 for 2 titles. Thats over a year using
a subscription model. (not to mention upgrades, and he can get more that way.)

On 10/30/2012 10:20 AM, Charlie Arehart wrote:
> And Frank, note more specifically in the reference Howard offered that
> students/teachers can get a Creative Cloud membership (with those tools you
> seek and more) at just $20/month. More at
> http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?event=displayProduct&ca
> tegoryOID=7335802&store=OLS-EDU.
>
> /charlie
>
>
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> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 11:49 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe products... Educational discount?
>
> Sorry this really isn't directly related to CF
>
> All, does Adobe have have any educational discounts... for high school
> students?  My nephew just started at a charter/magnet school for multimedia
> arts in Jacksonville. He is required to get Adobe After Effects, Premiere
> Pro, and Photoshop from CS6. (but would prefer  to have the Creative Suite
> Master Collection with Audition and Fireworks.)
>
> However, like most families right now, money is somewhat tight (especially
> after springing for a Mac Book, which even used was a budget breaker,) so I
> was hoping that some of the Adobe people on the list would know where to get
> the best pricing/discounts on the software or what programs are available to
> get him the software at a promotional rate. Obviously, getting a legit copy
> is important...
> (so the too good to be true deals from craigslist aren't really an option.)
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe products... Educational discount?

[Charlie Arehart]

And Frank, note more specifically in the reference Howard offered that
students/teachers can get a Creative Cloud membership (with those tools you
seek and more) at just $20/month. More at
http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?event=displayProduct&ca
tegoryOID=7335802&store=OLS-EDU.

/charlie


-Original Message-
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Frank Moorman
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 11:49 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe products... Educational discount?

Sorry this really isn't directly related to CF

All, does Adobe have have any educational discounts... for high school
students?  My nephew just started at a charter/magnet school for multimedia
arts in Jacksonville. He is required to get Adobe After Effects, Premiere
Pro, and Photoshop from CS6. (but would prefer  to have the Creative Suite
Master Collection with Audition and Fireworks.)

However, like most families right now, money is somewhat tight (especially
after springing for a Mac Book, which even used was a budget breaker,) so I
was hoping that some of the Adobe people on the list would know where to get
the best pricing/discounts on the software or what programs are available to
get him the software at a promotional rate. Obviously, getting a legit copy
is important...
(so the too good to be true deals from craigslist aren't really an option.)

Thanks,
Frank


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe products... Educational discount?

[Howard Fore]

http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-EDU&event=displayEduConditions&nr=0&promoid=FCRWP

There are also 3rd party stores, like http://www.academicsuperstore.com/

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different things.” - Margaret Mead



On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Frank Moorman  wrote:

> Sorry this really isn't directly related to CF
>
> All, does Adobe have have any educational discounts... for high school
> students?  My nephew just started at a charter/magnet school for
> multimedia arts
> in Jacksonville. He is required to get Adobe After Effects, Premiere Pro,
> and
> Photoshop from CS6. (but would prefer  to have the Creative Suite Master
> Collection with Audition and Fireworks.)
>
> However, like most families right now, money is somewhat tight (especially
> after
> springing for a Mac Book, which even used was a budget breaker,) so I was
> hoping
> that some of the Adobe people on the list would know where to get the best
> pricing/discounts on the software or what programs are available to get
> him the
> software at a promotional rate. Obviously, getting a legit copy is
> important...
> (so the too good to be true deals from craigslist aren't really an option.)
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe says CF11 is in the works...

[Cameron Childress]

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Wes Byrd  wrote:

>  Well… unless Adobe is keeping the CF development team in the dark (which
> could be possible I suppose), it appears Adobe is going to commit to
> version 11 and beyond.  (As indicated in todays “What’s new in CF10”
> Developer Week Webinar)
>

This is indeed fantastic news.


> **
>
> That is good news to me and I hope it plays out that way.
>

Ditto.

-Cameron


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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe UG of ATL looking for "intro to Dreamweaver WYSIWYG features" speaker for Sep 13 meeting

[Charlie Arehart]

No takers? Option still remains open if you thought others would step up.
:-)

/charlie


> -Original Message-
> From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie
> Arehart
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:29 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe UG of ATL looking for "intro to
> Dreamweaver WYSIWYG features" speaker for Sep 13 meeting
> 
> Hey folks, the organizer of the Adobe UG of ATL is looking for someone
> to do
> an intro to Dreamweaver WYSIWYG features talk at their Sep 13 meeting.
> Anyone interested?
> 
> Below is what he said on a list for ACPS, and he's gotten no takers
> after 3
> repeated requests. So I wanted to pass it on to you. I'm sure there may
> be
> many here who could do it.
> 
> Please reply here on the list if interested, if you don't mind, so
> others
> know if there's been any interest. (I've not worked with DW in recent
> years
> so don't want to propose myself.) I am awaiting word from him of his
> email
> address (not exposed on the ACP forums), and could share that with
> anyone
> who may be interested. Looks like you can also reach him directly using
> their meetup contact page
> (http://www.meetup.com/Adobe-User-Group-of-Atlanta/suggestion/).
> 
> "I'm trying to find a Dreamweaver presenter for the
> Adobe User Group of Atlanta
> (http://www.meetup.com/Adobe-User-Group-of-Atlanta).
> 
> The group chatted about Dreamweaver a little while ago,
> and a common thread was that they had all been educated
> to 'write their own code'. So they had been show how to
> use Dreamweaver as a text/code editor, but had little
> idea of the various WYSIWYG features in Dreamweaver.
> 
> Would anyone here be willing to give us an hour - 1.5 hour
> presentation on DWs WYSIWYG features? Either in person,
> here in Atlanta, or via Adobe Connect.
> 
> September 13th, 6:30pm"
> 
> /charlie
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe and Microsoft - Merger?

[Steve Ross]

the rumor mill... enjoyed your blog post though john. I feel like NO ONE is
innovating these days... even apple has jumped the shark.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:08 PM, John Mason  wrote:

>  I just blogged my views on the recent developments with Adobe.
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/adobe-should-fire-shantanu-narayen
>
> John
> ma...@fusionlink.com
>
>
> On 10/7/10 4:29 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
>> Just a rumor right now, but a very very interesting one...
>>
>>
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/adobe-shares-jump-on-news-of-microsoft-meeting-2010-10-07
>>
>> "SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Shares of Adobe Inc. jumped more than
>> 8% late Thursday afternoon on a report of a secret meeting the company
>> held with executives of Microsoft Corp. Adobe shares were last up $2
>> at $27.73 -- coming off their lowest level in 15 months. The New York
>> Times reported on its Bits blog that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer and a
>> team met with Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen at Adobe's offices in San
>> Francisco. The meeting lasted an hour and covered topics ranging from
>> Apple's control of the mobile phone market and the possibility that
>> Microsoft and Adobe could merge, according to the report, which cited
>> unnamed sources."
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe and Microsoft - Merger?

[John Mason]

 I just blogged my views on the recent developments with Adobe.
http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/adobe-should-fire-shantanu-narayen

John
ma...@fusionlink.com

On 10/7/10 4:29 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:

Just a rumor right now, but a very very interesting one...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/adobe-shares-jump-on-news-of-microsoft-meeting-2010-10-07

"SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Shares of Adobe Inc. jumped more than
8% late Thursday afternoon on a report of a secret meeting the company
held with executives of Microsoft Corp. Adobe shares were last up $2
at $27.73 -- coming off their lowest level in 15 months. The New York
Times reported on its Bits blog that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer and a
team met with Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen at Adobe's offices in San
Francisco. The meeting lasted an hour and covered topics ranging from
Apple's control of the mobile phone market and the possibility that
Microsoft and Adobe could merge, according to the report, which cited
unnamed sources."


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Visiting Atlanta to Gather Input for CFX (CF10)

[Cameron Childress]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, John Mason  wrote:
> Josh is looking to see if he can make the ACFUG meeting.

Good plan.  I reached out to him as well.  One way or another we
should get an answer.  :)

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Visiting Atlanta to Gather Input for CFX (CF10)

[John Mason]

Josh is looking to see if he can make the ACFUG meeting.

John
ma...@fusionlink.com


On 7/19/10 10:28 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:

I can explore this... But we may need to be flexible on time and
dates.  I think also, since the mission for his trip is information
gathering, we'd want to make any meeting more of a roundtable than a
lecture.

-Cameron

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Peyton Todd  wrote:
   

Any chance we could schedule him for meeting with ACFUG Wednesday evening
August 4?
 
   




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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Visiting Atlanta to Gather Input for CFX (CF10)

[Cameron Childress]

I can explore this... But we may need to be flexible on time and
dates.  I think also, since the mission for his trip is information
gathering, we'd want to make any meeting more of a roundtable than a
lecture.

-Cameron

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Peyton Todd  wrote:
> Any chance we could schedule him for meeting with ACFUG Wednesday evening
> August 4?

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Visiting Atlanta to Gather Input for CFX (CF10)

[Howard Fore]

That'd be a great idea, assuming his schedule allows!

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On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Peyton Todd  wrote:

>
> Any chance we could schedule him for meeting with ACFUG Wednesday evening
> August 4?
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Visiting Atlanta to Gather Input for CFX (CF10)

[Peyton Todd]

Any chance we could schedule him for meeting with ACFUG Wednesday evening 
August 
4?





From: Cameron Childress 
To: discussion@acfug.org
Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 4:39:36 PM
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Visiting Atlanta to Gather Input for CFX (CF10)

Just saw this on Adam Lehman's (Product Manager for CF) blog:

http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/coldfusion-x-research-in-dc-atlanta-and-dallas


"If your company is located in the DC/Baltimore, Atlanta or
Dallas/Fort Worth and you can donate a few hours to offer feedback on
ColdFusion X, please let me know. Rupesh Kumar, ColdFusion Engineering
Manager, and I will be visiting ColdFusion shops to validate our
concepts for Link (codename for ColdFusion X)."

Read the full blog post for more.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder

[Douglas Knudsen]

And no word is usually spoken on this topic by Adobe, eh?  If I were
betting, I'd bet on news about the release at MAX.  But I'm not a betting
man :)

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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Charlie Arehart wrote:

> Not a word has been spoken. :-)
>
> /charlie
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Staver
> > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:58 PM
> > To: discussion@acfug.org
> > Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder
> >
> > Does anyone know an estimate of when Adobe plans to release CFBuilder
> > and
> > CF 9? I know they are in beta now - but for some project planning where
> > I
> > work, we need to know if it is worth the time to investigate upgrading
> > to
> > CF 9 instead of CF 8, which is what we are currently planning before
> > year's end.  If CF 9 was released in October at the latest, we could go
> > directly to 9 from 7 before January.
> >
>
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder

[Charlie Arehart]

Not a word has been spoken. :-)

/charlie


> -Original Message-
> From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Staver
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:58 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder
> 
> Does anyone know an estimate of when Adobe plans to release CFBuilder
> and
> CF 9? I know they are in beta now - but for some project planning where
> I
> work, we need to know if it is worth the time to investigate upgrading
> to
> CF 9 instead of CF 8, which is what we are currently planning before
> year's end.  If CF 9 was released in October at the latest, we could go
> directly to 9 from 7 before January.
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder

[Mike Staver]

Does anyone know an estimate of when Adobe plans to release CFBuilder and
CF 9? I know they are in beta now - but for some project planning where I
work, we need to know if it is worth the time to investigate upgrading to
CF 9 instead of CF 8, which is what we are currently planning before
year's end.  If CF 9 was released in October at the latest, we could go
directly to 9 from 7 before January.

> Well, the problem is that it's hard to cover "getting started with
> CFBuilder" in just an hour.
>
>
>
> For instance,
>
> -  there's one talk that could be for those coming from CFEclipse
> (what's different between those),
>
> -  then there's an entirely other talk for those coming from
> DW/HomeSite/CFStudio (which has to include introducing Eclipse).
>
> -  Even then, trying to cover that audience would take more than
> an
> hour (because you still need to tell them what's unique about CFB,
> separate
> from Eclipse itself.)
>
> -  Then there's still another talk on the ins and outs of
> challenges
> people can face (like that which Sean raised, and there are many more.)
>
>
>
> Because of this, I've instead decided to create online classes on these
> things.
>
>
>
> First up will be a daylong class, oriented toward that audience of folks
> coming from non-Eclipse editors, and it will cover three broad areas: the
> least you need to know about Eclipse, the fundamental editing features of
> CFBuilder, and other features of CFBuilder (like the debugger, the
> extensions support, the server management, etc.) Even covering that last
> section briefly, the rest fits nicely into a day.
>
>
>
> I'll be offering it at CFUnited (as a daylong class on Tuesday) and then
> I'll be offering it as an online class after the conference.
>
>
>
> I then plan to create a still different class, perhaps half-day, oriented
> instead toward that audience of people coming from Eclipse who want to
> explore what's different. That's a very different audience (and most won't
> bother be interested in a class anyway, I suspect, but I'll offer it in
> case
> there are any takers.)
>
>
>
> Over time I plan to create yet other half-day classes each to get into
> details of things like using the debugger (more than meets the eye),
> creating extensions (quite an expansive topic also), solving problems with
> configuration of the managed servers and RDS setup, and so on.
>
>
>
> But sure, along the way (as I build these and once I do), I can see
> creating
> one-hour versions to offer as user groups that touch on some of the key
> points of each subject.
>
>
>
> Until then, I'm sure someone else will probably step up to do the same. I
> don't begrudge them that. I just think we have to be really careful about
> the audiences for these talks. It's kind of like having a talk on
> frameworks: do you assume the audience already uses one or not? Is the
> talk
> about one framework? Can you assume they already understand design
> patterns?
> Use CFCs? Etc. These things often make it hard for some topics to be
> covered
> in any one hour-long session.  :-)
>
>
>
> Don't know if you (or others here) were looking for all that, but it came
> to
> mind. :-)
>
>
>
> /charlie
>
>
>
> From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Douglas
> Knudsen
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:21 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder
>
>
>
> So, I'm wishing I was presenting "Using That Shiny New Coldfusion
> Builder",
> but alas I'm not.  I see a good topic for someone to step up and present
> on
> here.
>
>
> Douglas Knudsen
> http://www.cubicleman.com
> this is my signature, like it?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Charlie Arehart 
> wrote:
>
> Hey Sean, that wouldn't be a problem with the RDS implementation. That
> would
> be with the aspect of adding a server to be managed from within CFB.
>
> I do so lament that they have gone this way of kind of forcing people into
> thinking that they need to "add their server" to CFB, and that they need
> to
> install the "admin instance" to a server to be "used with CFB".
>
>
>
> 
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder

[Charlie Arehart]

Well, the problem is that it's hard to cover "getting started with
CFBuilder" in just an hour. 

 

For instance, 

-  there's one talk that could be for those coming from CFEclipse
(what's different between those), 

-  then there's an entirely other talk for those coming from
DW/HomeSite/CFStudio (which has to include introducing Eclipse). 

-  Even then, trying to cover that audience would take more than an
hour (because you still need to tell them what's unique about CFB, separate
from Eclipse itself.) 

-  Then there's still another talk on the ins and outs of challenges
people can face (like that which Sean raised, and there are many more.)

 

Because of this, I've instead decided to create online classes on these
things. 

 

First up will be a daylong class, oriented toward that audience of folks
coming from non-Eclipse editors, and it will cover three broad areas: the
least you need to know about Eclipse, the fundamental editing features of
CFBuilder, and other features of CFBuilder (like the debugger, the
extensions support, the server management, etc.) Even covering that last
section briefly, the rest fits nicely into a day. 

 

I'll be offering it at CFUnited (as a daylong class on Tuesday) and then
I'll be offering it as an online class after the conference.

 

I then plan to create a still different class, perhaps half-day, oriented
instead toward that audience of people coming from Eclipse who want to
explore what's different. That's a very different audience (and most won't
bother be interested in a class anyway, I suspect, but I'll offer it in case
there are any takers.) 

 

Over time I plan to create yet other half-day classes each to get into
details of things like using the debugger (more than meets the eye),
creating extensions (quite an expansive topic also), solving problems with
configuration of the managed servers and RDS setup, and so on.

 

But sure, along the way (as I build these and once I do), I can see creating
one-hour versions to offer as user groups that touch on some of the key
points of each subject.

 

Until then, I'm sure someone else will probably step up to do the same. I
don't begrudge them that. I just think we have to be really careful about
the audiences for these talks. It's kind of like having a talk on
frameworks: do you assume the audience already uses one or not? Is the talk
about one framework? Can you assume they already understand design patterns?
Use CFCs? Etc. These things often make it hard for some topics to be covered
in any one hour-long session.  :-)

 

Don't know if you (or others here) were looking for all that, but it came to
mind. :-)

 

/charlie

 

From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:21 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder

 

So, I'm wishing I was presenting "Using That Shiny New Coldfusion Builder",
but alas I'm not.  I see a good topic for someone to step up and present on
here.  


Douglas Knudsen
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Charlie Arehart 
wrote:

Hey Sean, that wouldn't be a problem with the RDS implementation. That would
be with the aspect of adding a server to be managed from within CFB.

I do so lament that they have gone this way of kind of forcing people into
thinking that they need to "add their server" to CFB, and that they need to
install the "admin instance" to a server to be "used with CFB".

 



 




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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder

[Douglas Knudsen]

So, I'm wishing I was presenting "Using That Shiny New Coldfusion Builder",
but alas I'm not.  I see a good topic for someone to step up and present on
here.


Douglas Knudsen
http://www.cubicleman.com
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Charlie Arehart wrote:

> Hey Sean, that wouldn't be a problem with the RDS implementation. That
> would
> be with the aspect of adding a server to be managed from within CFB.
>
> I do so lament that they have gone this way of kind of forcing people into
> thinking that they need to "add their server" to CFB, and that they need to
> install the "admin instance" to a server to be "used with CFB".
>
> The fact is, if you just want to do RDS stuff, you do NOT need to do the
> whole "add server" thing (when adding a project, or in the Servers view).
>
> You can just do the RDS stuff, without all that, either by defining an RDS
> server setup in the Windows>Preferences>Adobe>RDS Configuration or from
> within the various RDS views (RDS Data View, RDS File View, Services
> Browser
> etc.)
>
> So the whole JNDI thing is what gives away to me that your problem is with
> that. RDS works entirely over port 80. If you really do just want to do RDS
> stuff, start by going into that window>preferences>adobe>rds config section
> and use the "test" button there to confirm if all is ok with your RDS
> setup.
>
>
> And as for the "servers" thing, if you really wanted to get it going, it
> could be simply that the 2910 port is blocked. Or your CF server there may
> be using a different port. It's defined in
> [cf]\runtime\servers\coldfusion\SERVER-INF\jndi.properties (in the
> Standalone/Server mode) and [jrun]\servers\cfusion\SERVER-INF\
> jndi.properties (in the multiple instance/multiserver mode).
>
> Then again, unless you want to start/stop them from within CFB (unlikely on
> a remote hosted server), you could also just remove the server definition
> to
> get past the error you see. There are some other benefits that come from
> it,
> but if all you want really is the RDS stuff, it's just not necessary.
>
> Hope that's helpful.
>
> /charlie
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of sharrison
> > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:28 AM
> > To: discussion@acfug.org
> > Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder
> >
> > Has anyone else had huge problems with using CFBuilder's RDS
> > implementation?
> > Specifically, this error:
> >
> > "The connection to the remote JNDI server on host alienetworks.com at
> > port
> > 2910 has failed (as have all backup hosts listed, if any) - please
> > verify
> > that the server is running and the NamingService is available"
> >
> > The last word I got from Adobe was that this is a 'known issue' --
> > seems
> > like the fact that RDS simply doesn't work at all for some folks would
> > be a
> > significant issue indeed.
> >
> > I've installed the admin scripts, service is up and running, port 2910
> > is
> > open, still no love - do I need to keep on using CF Studio? :)
> >
> > Any insight appreciated.
> >
> > W. Sean Harrison
> > Founder, CTO
> > ALIENetworks LLC
> > http://www.ALIENetworks.com
> > sharri...@alienetworks.com
> > 105 1/2 Main St
> > Smyrna, TN 37167
> > Direct: 615.838.9289
> >
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder

[Charlie Arehart]

Hey Sean, that wouldn't be a problem with the RDS implementation. That would
be with the aspect of adding a server to be managed from within CFB. 

I do so lament that they have gone this way of kind of forcing people into
thinking that they need to "add their server" to CFB, and that they need to
install the "admin instance" to a server to be "used with CFB".

The fact is, if you just want to do RDS stuff, you do NOT need to do the
whole "add server" thing (when adding a project, or in the Servers view). 

You can just do the RDS stuff, without all that, either by defining an RDS
server setup in the Windows>Preferences>Adobe>RDS Configuration or from
within the various RDS views (RDS Data View, RDS File View, Services Browser
etc.)

So the whole JNDI thing is what gives away to me that your problem is with
that. RDS works entirely over port 80. If you really do just want to do RDS
stuff, start by going into that window>preferences>adobe>rds config section
and use the "test" button there to confirm if all is ok with your RDS setup.


And as for the "servers" thing, if you really wanted to get it going, it
could be simply that the 2910 port is blocked. Or your CF server there may
be using a different port. It's defined in 
[cf]\runtime\servers\coldfusion\SERVER-INF\jndi.properties (in the
Standalone/Server mode) and [jrun]\servers\cfusion\SERVER-INF\
jndi.properties (in the multiple instance/multiserver mode).

Then again, unless you want to start/stop them from within CFB (unlikely on
a remote hosted server), you could also just remove the server definition to
get past the error you see. There are some other benefits that come from it,
but if all you want really is the RDS stuff, it's just not necessary.

Hope that's helpful.

/charlie


> -Original Message-
> From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of sharrison
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:28 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] ADobe ColdFusion Builder
> 
> Has anyone else had huge problems with using CFBuilder's RDS
> implementation?
> Specifically, this error:
> 
> "The connection to the remote JNDI server on host alienetworks.com at
> port
> 2910 has failed (as have all backup hosts listed, if any) - please
> verify
> that the server is running and the NamingService is available"
> 
> The last word I got from Adobe was that this is a 'known issue' --
> seems
> like the fact that RDS simply doesn't work at all for some folks would
> be a
> significant issue indeed.
> 
> I've installed the admin scripts, service is up and running, port 2910
> is
> open, still no love - do I need to keep on using CF Studio? :)
> 
> Any insight appreciated.
> 
> W. Sean Harrison
> Founder, CTO
> ALIENetworks LLC
> http://www.ALIENetworks.com
> sharri...@alienetworks.com
> 105 1/2 Main St
> Smyrna, TN 37167
> Direct: 615.838.9289
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Support Packages

[Cameron Childress]

I see this going a few ways:

- The company gets the $10k Adobe support contract and a portion is
allocated to this project, portions to other projects.
- You up your rates to cover any potential per-incident costs (I know
this doesn't break it out like you've been asked, but sometimes this
is how things have to be done)
- You call Adobe back , try to get someone else on the phone and ask
for alternatives - you may be able to convince them to sell you a
bundle of 5 support incidents (for example)

-Cameron

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Thomas Nunn  wrote:
> I'm currently working with a company that does a lot of contract work with
> the government and as part of our project budget we have to account for any
> software support costs that we might incur over the life of the project,
> preferably in a prepaid bundled support program.  Unfortunately, after
> talking with Adobe on the subject it seems the main product that we want to
> purchase support for, CF8, only comes in two flavors: per incident at
> $249 an incident and $10,000 for a year's worth of dedicated support.
>
> First off, the $10K price tag is far above and beyond the amount of
> money our client is willing to spend and according to who I spoke with at
> Adobe, the $249 per incident doesn't come in prepaid bundles that I've seen
> with other companies such as MS. The tough part about this is that from our
> finance office's standpoint this is not a good option for us either because
> the money cannot just simply be sitting in an account somewhere waiting to
> be used and has to be purchased immediately whether or not it is ever used.
>
> I know that several of you in the CF community have worked for companies
> that have done contract work with the government or work directly for the
> government and I wanted to know if any of you have run into a similar
> situation and how you solved it.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> __
> Larry Nunn, ACCD
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/larrynunn
> 404.309.1724 (Cell)
>



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Support Packages

[Shane]

You might be able to find a company that has paid for a year's worth of
support that could sub out a certain number of incidents to you for a set
price - if Adobe would find that acceptable which I doubt.
 
Otherwise - unless you are supporting a very large company (in which case
$10k is no big deal) or some super critical application - the chances of
really needing support directly from Adobe are very slim.  I have never run
across a problem that couldn't be resolved with some other resource.
 
Shane Heasley
www.CTek-Media.com

  _  

From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nunn
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:13 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Support Packages


I'm currently working with a company that does a lot of contract work with
the government and as part of our project budget we have to account for any
software support costs that we might incur over the life of the project,
preferably in a prepaid bundled support program.  Unfortunately, after
talking with Adobe on the subject it seems the main product that we want to
purchase support for, CF8, only comes in two flavors: per incident at $249
an incident and $10,000 for a year's worth of dedicated support.
 
First off, the $10K price tag is far above and beyond the amount of money
our client is willing to spend and according to who I spoke with at Adobe,
the $249 per incident doesn't come in prepaid bundles that I've seen with
other companies such as MS. The tough part about this is that from our
finance office's standpoint this is not a good option for us either because
the money cannot just simply be sitting in an account somewhere waiting to
be used and has to be purchased immediately whether or not it is ever used.
 
I know that several of you in the CF community have worked for companies
that have done contract work with the government or work directly for the
government and I wanted to know if any of you have run into a similar
situation and how you solved it.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. 
__
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Support Packages

[Teddy R. Payne]

The majority of the clients that I work for that I was a part of their
procurement process managed this through the business budgeting and support
as an up front line item.

Their budget for any new server was the hardware, hardware support, software
license cost for role of the server, and then software service support.
That was allocated up front for any new ventures.  The second part was
maintenance costs of preexisting infrastructure that needed renewals.

One of these said companies was a government contract firm.  They managed
support budget yearly based upon their existing and proposed infrastructure
that was earmarked money.

The budgetary meeting also led into their enterprise hardware/software
life-cycle ("sunsetting" vs. maintenance vs. new procurement).


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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Thomas Nunn  wrote:

> I'm currently working with a company that does a lot of contract work with
> the government and as part of our project budget we have to account for any
> software support costs that we might incur over the life of the project,
> preferably in a prepaid bundled support program.  Unfortunately, after
> talking with Adobe on the subject it seems the main product that we want to
> purchase support for, CF8, only comes in two flavors: per incident at
> $249 an incident and $10,000 for a year's worth of dedicated support.
>
> First off, the $10K price tag is far above and beyond the amount of
> money our client is willing to spend and according to who I spoke with at
> Adobe, the $249 per incident doesn't come in prepaid bundles that I've seen
> with other companies such as MS. The tough part about this is that from our
> finance office's standpoint this is not a good option for us either because
> the money cannot just simply be sitting in an account somewhere waiting to
> be used and has to be purchased immediately whether or not it is ever used.
>
> I know that several of you in the CF community have worked for companies
> that have done contract work with the government or work directly for the
> government and I wanted to know if any of you have run into a similar
> situation and how you solved it.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> __
> Larry Nunn, ACCD
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/larrynunn
> 404.309.1724 (Cell)
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Software Deals

[John Mason]

Yes, btw that deal has been extended until the end of March just email 
me for the code.


John
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c...@wehunt.net wrote:

Hi,

I remember seeing a while back on the list about some Adobe software deals.  
Anyone have any current leads?

Specifically looking for PhotoShop and InDesign.


Thanks,

Cody


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Software Deals

[AppDeveloper]

O.o

2009/3/17 shawn gorrell 

>  *torrents* *cough* *torrents*
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>
> I remember seeing a while back on the list about some Adobe software
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>
> Specifically looking for PhotoShop and InDesign.
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>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Software Deals

[shawn gorrell]

*torrents* *cough* *torrents*

runs away...





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Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Software Deals

Hi,

I remember seeing a while back on the list about some Adobe software deals.  
Anyone have any current leads?

Specifically looking for PhotoShop and InDesign.


Thanks,

Cody


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

[Steven Ross]

Looks pretty simple to me... except for the giant flash...
in safari (on leopard) you can see the black mask on the main flash thing
that shows CS3 options at the end


On Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Looks like they're working through some stuff still.
>
> Sometimes a clean and simple design is the best. Looks like they're going
> in
> a different direction from that..
>
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> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe
>
> I'm getting the new site in both FF and IE. But in FF at the upper right
> corner of the (either) artsy-fartsy graphics and/or Creative Suite vid.
> There is either a "circle-arrow" or an X, to end the art and/or load the
> Creative Suite infomercial.  This circle-arrow / X is NOT there in IE.
>
> Another small point, I am on a dial up connection at my "day job" and it
> takes a lng time for the top 70% of the visible page to load.
> Not the best use of Real Estate for my money.
>
> I viewed the Page Source. Not too many clues that CF is in use.
>
>
>
> Dan K.
>
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> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:21 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe
>
> Or maybe they are doing A/B testing.  I also just noticed that I get the
> old
> site in Firefox and the new one in IE.
>
> I also just noticed that CF is now listed under "products" on the new
> homepage.  It wasn't there Friday.  Good to see they put it up there where
> it belongs!
>
> -Cameron
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 10:53 AM, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I'm seeing the new one.  Prolly some caching across their big and
> > mighty cluster maybe?  Darn new video gives me a nauseating time
> though...err...
> >
> > DK
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, Cameron Childress < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting - looks like the rolled their redesign back.  It *was*
> > > totally different a day or two ago.
> > >
> > > -Cameron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 10, 2007 9:08 AM, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > it did? looks the same to me... lots o' boxes still
> > > >
> > > > or are you talking about the teaser?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 8, 2007 12:31 AM, John Mason < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > The adobe site got a new design...
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

[John Mason]

Looks like they're working through some stuff still.

Sometimes a clean and simple design is the best. Looks like they're going in
a different direction from that.. 


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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:44 AM
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I'm getting the new site in both FF and IE. But in FF at the upper right
corner of the (either) artsy-fartsy graphics and/or Creative Suite vid.
There is either a "circle-arrow" or an X, to end the art and/or load the
Creative Suite infomercial.  This circle-arrow / X is NOT there in IE.

Another small point, I am on a dial up connection at my "day job" and it
takes a lng time for the top 70% of the visible page to load.
Not the best use of Real Estate for my money.

I viewed the Page Source. Not too many clues that CF is in use.



Dan K.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:21 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

Or maybe they are doing A/B testing.  I also just noticed that I get the old
site in Firefox and the new one in IE.

I also just noticed that CF is now listed under "products" on the new
homepage.  It wasn't there Friday.  Good to see they put it up there where
it belongs!

-Cameron

On Dec 10, 2007 10:53 AM, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm seeing the new one.  Prolly some caching across their big and 
> mighty cluster maybe?  Darn new video gives me a nauseating time
though...err...
>
> DK
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, Cameron Childress < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting - looks like the rolled their redesign back.  It *was* 
> > totally different a day or two ago.
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2007 9:08 AM, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > it did? looks the same to me... lots o' boxes still
> > >
> > > or are you talking about the teaser?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 8, 2007 12:31 AM, John Mason < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The adobe site got a new design...
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

[Dan Kaufman]

I'm getting the new site in both FF and IE. But in FF at the upper right
corner of the (either) artsy-fartsy graphics and/or Creative Suite vid.
There is either a "circle-arrow" or an X, to end the art and/or load the
Creative Suite infomercial.  This circle-arrow / X is NOT there in IE.

Another small point, I am on a dial up connection at my "day job" and it
takes a lng time for the top 70% of the visible page to load.
Not the best use of Real Estate for my money.

I viewed the Page Source. Not too many clues that CF is in use.



Dan K.

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Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

Or maybe they are doing A/B testing.  I also just noticed that I get
the old site in Firefox and the new one in IE.

I also just noticed that CF is now listed under "products" on the new
homepage.  It wasn't there Friday.  Good to see they put it up there
where it belongs!

-Cameron

On Dec 10, 2007 10:53 AM, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm seeing the new one.  Prolly some caching across their big and mighty
> cluster maybe?  Darn new video gives me a nauseating time though...err...
>
> DK
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, Cameron Childress < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting - looks like the rolled their redesign back.  It *was*
> > totally different a day or two ago.
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2007 9:08 AM, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > it did? looks the same to me... lots o' boxes still
> > >
> > > or are you talking about the teaser?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 8, 2007 12:31 AM, John Mason < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The adobe site got a new design...
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

[Clint . Willard]

I clicked on the media ad at the top of the home page and it crashed my 
browser. Maybe its just me, but FYI..






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I'm seeing the new one.  Prolly some caching across their big and mighty 
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DK

On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, Cameron Childress < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Interesting - looks like the rolled their redesign back.  It *was* 
totally different a day or two ago.

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> it did? looks the same to me... lots o' boxes still 
>
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

[Cameron Childress]

Or maybe they are doing A/B testing.  I also just noticed that I get
the old site in Firefox and the new one in IE.

I also just noticed that CF is now listed under "products" on the new
homepage.  It wasn't there Friday.  Good to see they put it up there
where it belongs!

-Cameron

On Dec 10, 2007 10:53 AM, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm seeing the new one.  Prolly some caching across their big and mighty
> cluster maybe?  Darn new video gives me a nauseating time though...err...
>
> DK
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 10:17 AM, Cameron Childress < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting - looks like the rolled their redesign back.  It *was*
> > totally different a day or two ago.
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2007 9:08 AM, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > it did? looks the same to me... lots o' boxes still
> > >
> > > or are you talking about the teaser?
> > >
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

[Clint . Willard]

I see it, I agree with DK, I would have made that big a$$ media intro into 
a collapsable smaller banner as an option.






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I'm seeing the new one.  Prolly some caching across their big and mighty 
cluster maybe?  Darn new video gives me a nauseating time though...err...

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Interesting - looks like the rolled their redesign back.  It *was* 
totally different a day or two ago.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

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I'm seeing the new one.  Prolly some caching across their big and mighty
cluster maybe?  Darn new video gives me a nauseating time though...err...

DK

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

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Interesting - looks like the rolled their redesign back.  It *was*
totally different a day or two ago.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] adobe

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it did? looks the same to me... lots o' boxes still
or are you talking about the teaser?

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Labs and Scorpio

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Charlie is right.  A minor degree is about as much information Adobe has
publically released thus far.

The mid-2007 availability of Scorpio is reminesce of CF MX 7.

Teddy


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 But lest anyone get excited, no, this does NOT signal that one can
download Scorpio from that site (as you can most other labs products).  Now,
if one reads the FAQ there, it does indicate that besides there will be a
private beta and then eventually be a public pre-release on that labs site,
in the future. But it's not there now (nor in the near future, I'd guess).

As Teddy said, you can "track the progress" (to a very minor degree, I'll
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 This is the site to watch the progrss of Scorpio:

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Scorpio

Not to mention, there are two desktop wallpapers for Scorpio that are well
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Labs and Scorpio

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performance monitoring tools look to be awesome, about time for those!!
Could really use those right now too.  ( and yes, about to buy seefusion,
but our budget is frozen, imagine that, for the Q )

DK

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  And new image manipulation features (cropping, sizing, compressing,
etc). Finally!!! Wahoo!



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This is the site to watch the progrss of Scorpio:



http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Scorpio



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Labs and Scorpio

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But lest anyone get excited, no, this does NOT signal that one can download
Scorpio from that site (as you can most other labs products).  Now, if one
reads the FAQ there, it does indicate that besides there will be a private
beta and then eventually be a public pre-release on that labs site, in the
future. But it's not there now (nor in the near future, I'd guess).
 
As Teddy said, you can "track the progress" (to a very minor degree, I'll
add), but not much more. 
 
/Charlie
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This is the site to watch the progrss of Scorpio:
 
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Labs and Scorpio

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And new image manipulation features (cropping, sizing, compressing, etc).
Finally!!! Wahoo!

 

Dusty

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This is the site to watch the progrss of Scorpio:

 

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Scorpio

 

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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Sterling Ledet]

An 
interesting post on the Mozilla script donation on Slashdot 
today:
 
http://www.browserden.co.uk/news/tamarin/
 
From 
an unbiased perspective in my opinion.



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

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I wasn't in the least upset, Adam. I just thought the 
posting merited a rather strong response since I so vociferously 
disagree.
 
In the panel discussion you mentioned, I tried to clearly 
explain that my read was that Adobe would continue to push ColdFusion technology 
as a major part of what at that time was called their "network publishing" 
initiative and integrate it fully with LiveCycle since it was such a 
natural fit. The mobile pieces in ColdFusion had already begun prior to the 
merger, and while Adobe continues to be a driving force in that area and is 
clearly not abandoning it, that industry is filled with it's own ecosystem 
challenges. History has made it clear that the conjectures I made at that panel 
have proven largely accurate.
 
LiveCycle is about as stagnant as IRS tax forms and FDA 
drug submittals. If the IRS never changes another tax form, the FDA never 
changes a drug submittal procedure, ACORD insurance forms never change again, 
and the hundreds of major enterprises that have adopted LiveCycle technology 
decide to rip and replace their solutions with purely Microsoft code, then 
perhaps it's fair to call LiveCycle stagnant. In my opinion, that's just another 
trolling attempt.
 
I know LiveCycle has never been more exciting. I'm glad I 
spent as much time with it as I did, and even well-respected ColdFusion tech 
shops like FigLeaf are clearly committing serious resources to it. LiveCycle is 
far from stagnant. LiveCycle 8 new features were shown at Max, and stagnant 
products don't receive millions in R&D investment from publicly traded 
companies. Have you even purchased Acrobat 8 yet?
 
What's more, it's clear to me that the release of the 
XPAAJ.jar file (which previously was only available with a $50K and up LiveCycle 
server licensing fee, prior to the merger) and the ease of integration with 
ColdFusion, as well as the free license to deploy apps based on it on the 
Internet (if you own ColdFusion) make ColdFusion based PDF forms processing and 
workflow applications one of the best areas for ColdFusion developers to 
focus on. Whether you want to call it LiveCycle or just the evolution of 
PDF-based workflow applications makes no difference, but it's 
totally inaccurate to call LiveCycle stagnant. Livecycle and ColdFusion are 
both vibrant, highly relevant technologies and it's never, ever, been a better 
time to be a developer for either one of these two closely related 
technologies.
 
I wonder just how many actual users of InfoPath Microsoft 
has. I'd be willing to bet it's not even 1% of the users of Adobe Reader. I 
wouldn't venture to call InfoPath stagnant or irrelevant, it's just clear to me 
that Adobe PDF remains the de facto standard for unified document distribution 
and publishing both in professional prepress (the world where I come from) and 
on the web. LiveCycle server side technology, as well as ColdFusion, are clearly 
a very strong part of that business solution platform..
 
While you are right that occasionally publicly traded 
companies get some pressure from stockholders to show quarterly results, Adobe 
has never been a company to be overly concerned about such short term metrics, 
and it's stock is dong quite well. Bruce has more than enough control within 
that organization to see his strategic initiatives through to completion 
without having to worry about some sort of imaginary shareholder revolt. As an 
Adobe shareholder myself, I'm delighted with the company's performance and I 
would venture to guess that most other shareholders are quite satisfied with 
it's approximately 400% increase in value since the dot come 
meltdown.
 
It's also worth mentioning that for some reason, my MSFT 
shares haven't gained much value at all over that same time period. Some 
might even use the word "stagnant" to describe the long term performance of MSFT 
graphically displayed using Flex technology by some little company, I 
forgot, (oh yeah, I think they are called Yahoo!, but we all know a company 
like that would never adopt some clearly inferior technology like Flex, so I 
must be wrong on that one as well), at
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=adbe;range=5y;compare=msft;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=
 
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P.S. I still love octopus! When well done it's one of my 
favorite types of sushi. We shouldn't wait 3 years for another dinner! But I 
like all kinds of food, so I'm cool with wherever you pick if you want to get 
together again before another 3 years pass. In any case, I'll be looking forward 
to January 2010.
 
 


  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Adam ChurvisSent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 
  9:51 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG 
  Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozi

Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Teddy Payne]

Ben Forta keeps a list of who uses CF:http://www.forta.com/cf/using/TeddyOn 11/8/06, Steven Ross
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:From Ben Forta:
http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=C7F3A45C-3048-80A9-EF3C7DA746A45DCEOn 11/8/06, Ajas Mohammed <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hi everyone,>I think Adam's comment is not correctIf Adobe> wanted to wash off there hands, then that would have happened long time
> back... Looking at the pace CF is going, I think it will be pretty much> liked among the CF community. Plus not to forget the new version code named> Scorpio which is due to be released next year. I dont think that CF will end
> up at hands of Open Source anytime. One of the biggest users of CF is Bank> of America, the number 1 bank here There would be many more top> companies that would be using CF today.. if anyone knows any big companies
> using CF, plz mention it here>> Ajas Mohammed.>>> On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >
> > With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment> I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking?> >> > If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to
> buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find> in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it> doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise
> is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands> of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not> you accept the bet.> >> > Here's three points I'd like to make.
> >> > 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion. Do you think they> are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money> they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product lines for
> years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art> digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money> loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in
> Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to> making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp> by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies
> like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even> surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any> doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous.
> >> > 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core technology like> ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from LiveMotion> (an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for those
> of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe> plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not> one made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as
> such, but it is a most absurd deduction.> >> > 3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that Microsoft's> XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt most of
> your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together> tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of> adopting standards in a way that consistently (and many believe,
> intentionally) breaks competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly> done so with Flash, you can't easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using> standard web service technologies (ever try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to
> MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper community is a key target audience> for Flex.> >> > In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes into the core> _javascript_ standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to be the
> driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex> easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate one.> >> > Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
> >> > Sterling Ledet> >> >> >> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam Churvis> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 PM> > To: discussion@acfug.org> > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to
> Mozilla> >> >> >> > Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively> soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Adam Churvis]

Wow, Sterling -- I didn't mean to piss you off like 
that!
 
Do you remember that ACFUG meeting after the merger was 
announced, where you were on the panel and everyone was trying to figure out 
"what next" with ColdFusion?  I thought the arguments you were making about 
the importance of fringe things like CF's gateways and how the growth in 
cellular technology was going to make ColdFusion yada yada yada was, let's say, 
"not on point."  It simply doesn't matter.
 
It's like a bunch of little ants scurrying around in a lab 
beaker discussing the reasons why that big man in the lab coat is going to feed 
them soon, because it's only logical and yada yada yada.  But they have no 
clue that the guy is there to test the effects of heat on ants.  They can 
see him through the glass and they think they know what's important to him and 
how it will affect his actions, but they just don't realize that nothing they're 
thinking or doing or saying has any relevance to what that guy is going to have 
to do in order to get graded on his science project, which is the only thing of 
any real relevance because that guy is the one with the power to bring things 
into alignment with what the real Powers That Be demand of him.
 
And past actions have little to do with future actions.  
Do you really think that stubborness to continue supporting stagnant products 
like LiveCycle will stand in the face of shareholder demands 
for profitability?
 
Decisions to "continue or can" products and even entire 
product lines are often made with what some might take as offhandedness by the 
leaders of publicly traded companies, but it's really just a realization of what 
finally needs to be done.  You say that "Adobe does not kill products," and 
that may be true right now, but shareholder pressure has a way of changing such 
decisions.
 
And actually, most of our peers agree with us about Microsoft 
technologies beating Adobe technologies hands down.  I usually don't make 
absolute statements, but if I were to make one it would probably be that Flex 
will never ever ever in any way shape or form ever have a significant share of 
the web.  And I'd even say that the current trend of companies migrating 
from ColdFusion to .NET will continue, which is another reason for my guess that 
Adobe will take the open source route with ColdFusion.
 
These are just guesses, but I believe that my reasoning is 
more rooted in reality than yours.
 
And I'll be happy to take you up on your bet.  If by 
Christmas 2009 Adobe hasn't open sourced, outsourced, or sold ColdFusion (all of 
these courses are "washing their hands"), then I buy.  
 
The last time we had dinner together was 14 years ago at 
Nakato, and Lisa still hasn't gotten over the octopus tentacles draped over the 
side of her bowl, so this time I pick, regardless! :)
 

Respectfully,
Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 
DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee

Get advanced intensive Master-level training inC# & ASP.NET 2.0 
for ColdFusion Developers atProductivityEnhancement.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sterling Ledet 
  
  To: discussion@acfug.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:20 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe 
  Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
  
  With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most 
  ridiculous comment I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been 
  drinking?
   
  If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby 
  publicly pledge to buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive 
  restaurant you can find in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we 
  bet dinner that it doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 
  ColdFusion Enterprise is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not 
  washed their hands of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer 
  stands, whether or not you accept the bet.
   
  Here's three points I'd like to make.
   
  1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of 
  ColdFusion. Do you think they are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as 
  well? Do you know how much money they've been losing on the high-end, Java 
  base LiveCycle product lines for years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that 
  group to brand new, state of the art digs reinvesting even more into that 
  effort. Acrobat itself was a money loser for half a decade before it became 
  the most lucrative product line in Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript 
  and Photoshop. Adobe is used to making long-term investments, and the purchase 
  of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp by them is one of the best things that could have 
  happened for tech junkies like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed 
  investment, which even surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe 
  is doing

Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Teddy Payne]

http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=C7F3A45C-3048-80A9-EF3C7DA746A45DCE
 
Have a read. 
On 11/8/06, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions> that aren't based on any substantiated facts. 
 
You don't really need (and will probably not have) any substantiated facts at hand when drawing conclusions about future actions a public company might take.  All you have is instinct, an understanding of what truly drives public companies, market forces, technology innovations, etc, to guide you.  Licking your finger and sticking it in the air to tell which way the wind blows helps, too.

 
How are you ever going to have any substantiated facts that tell you in plain terms what a company definitely will do?  The facts that are released to the public have been thoroughly sanitized and neutered by Public Relations and Legal, and the SEC only lets you say certain things (virtually nothing of importance) when mergers are about to happen.  I wouldn't even call most of them facts, but rather diversions from the real facts being hidden.  I mean, big business is often a poker game, yes?

 
There are things that Chizen is dealing with right now that will determine how Adobe will "handle" its inheritance of the Macromedia product line, and they have absolutely nothing at all to do with any of us or how "cool" some people think ColdFusion is.  And federal law dictates that Chizen, as the leader of a publicly traded company, *must* act with sole regard to the betterment of his stockholders' financial positions, as long as those actions do not violate any laws.

 
So let's all stop being naive about ColdFusion's future having anything at all to do with current number of installations, how much you like it, how important it is to you, or anything else that a developer might see as important.

 
It may be hard to swallow, but nothing about you or what you do is of any importance to them whatsoever.
 

Respectfully,
Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Ajas Mohammed]

Hi everyone,   I think Adam's comment is not correctIf Adobe wanted to wash off there hands, then that would have happened long time back... Looking at the pace CF is going, I think it will be pretty much liked among the CF community. Plus not to forget the new version code named Scorpio which is due to be released next year. I dont think that CF will end up at hands of Open Source anytime. One of the biggest users of CF is Bank of America, the number 1 bank here There would be many more top companies that would be using CF today.. if anyone knows any big companies using CF, plz mention it here
Ajas Mohammed.On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most 
ridiculous comment I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been 
drinking?
 
If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby 
publicly pledge to buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive 
restaurant you can find in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we 
bet dinner that it doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 
ColdFusion Enterprise is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not 
washed their hands of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, 
whether or not you accept the bet.
 
Here's three points I'd like to make.
 
1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of 
ColdFusion. Do you think they are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as 
well? Do you know how much money they've been losing on the high-end, Java base 
LiveCycle product lines for years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group 
to brand new, state of the art digs reinvesting even more into that effort. 
Acrobat itself was a money loser for half a decade before it became the most 
lucrative product line in Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and 
Photoshop. Adobe is used to making long-term investments, and the purchase of 
Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp by them is one of the best things that could have 
happened for tech junkies like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed 
investment, which even surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe 
is doing that any doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be 
humorous.
 
2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core 
technology like ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from 
LiveMotion (an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for 
those of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe 
plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not one 
made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as such, but 
it is a most absurd deduction.
 
3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that 
Microsoft's XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt 
most of your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together 
tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of adopting 
standards in a way that consistently (and many believe, intentionally) breaks 
competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly done so with Flash, you can't 
easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using standard web service technologies (ever 
try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper 
community is a key target audience for Flex. 
 
In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes 
into the core _javascript_ standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to 
be the driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex 
easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate 
one.
 
Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
 
Sterling Ledet
 

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of Adam ChurvisSent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 
  10:38 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG 
  Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
  
  Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
  (relatively soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of 
  ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying 
  to dump it on another company.
   
  But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its 
  Flash-centric development model and tools cannot keep pace with 
  Microsoft's XAML-based offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based 
  development looks like an unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And 
  there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any 
  significant way, so they "give it up to the people" and let them join in for 
  free.
   
  
  Respectfully,
  Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 
  DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding 
Committee



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Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Steven Ross]

From Ben Forta:


http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=C7F3A45C-3048-80A9-EF3C7DA746A45DCE

On 11/8/06, Ajas Mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi everyone,
   I think Adam's comment is not correctIf Adobe
wanted to wash off there hands, then that would have happened long time
back... Looking at the pace CF is going, I think it will be pretty much
liked among the CF community. Plus not to forget the new version code named
Scorpio which is due to be released next year. I dont think that CF will end
up at hands of Open Source anytime. One of the biggest users of CF is Bank
of America, the number 1 bank here There would be many more top
companies that would be using CF today.. if anyone knows any big companies
using CF, plz mention it here

Ajas Mohammed.


On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment
I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking?
>
> If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to
buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find
in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it
doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise
is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands
of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not
you accept the bet.
>
> Here's three points I'd like to make.
>
> 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion. Do you think they
are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money
they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product lines for
years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art
digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money
loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in
Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to
making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp
by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies
like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even
surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any
doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous.
>
> 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core technology like
ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from LiveMotion
(an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for those
of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe
plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not
one made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as
such, but it is a most absurd deduction.
>
> 3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that Microsoft's
XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt most of
your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together
tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of
adopting standards in a way that consistently (and many believe,
intentionally) breaks competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly
done so with Flash, you can't easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using
standard web service technologies (ever try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to
MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper community is a key target audience
for Flex.
>
> In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes into the core
Javascript standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to be the
driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex
easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate one.
>
> Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
>
> Sterling Ledet
>
>
>
> 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Churvis
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to
Mozilla
>
>
>
> Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the
open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another
company.
>
> But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric
development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based
offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an
unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And there just isn't enough Adobe
funding available to change that in any significant way, so 

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Precia]

Seems Ben Forta has something to say about this thread

http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=C7F3A45C-3048-80A9-EF3C7DA746A45DCE

Precia



On 11/8/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I would like to vote Sterling for ColdFusion evangelist.

Also, I think it is poor tact to comment in a ColdFusion mailing list that
ColdFusion is some sort of toy ball that is being passed around.

Eeach company that has purchased ColdFusion has pushed the product further.
Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe all value the product and that is why it still
exists.

Plus, why was ColdFusion even entered into the argument when the article was
about ActionScript? There are projects to integrate Flex with PHP, CF and
.Net.

At Adobe MAX, there were .Net sessions on how to integrate with Adobe
product lines.

Adobe is not trying to seperate, there are trying to integrate.  I know this
for a fact.

Teddy


On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment
I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking?
>
> If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to
buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find
in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it
doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise
is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands
of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not
you accept the bet.
>
> Here's three points I'd like to make.
>
> 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion. Do you think they
are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money
they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product lines for
years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art
digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money
loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in
Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to
making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp
by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies
like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even
surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any
doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous.
>
> 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core technology like
ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from LiveMotion
(an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for those
of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe
plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not
one made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as
such, but it is a most absurd deduction.
>
> 3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that Microsoft's
XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt most of
your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together
tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of
adopting standards in a way that consistently (and many believe,
intentionally) breaks competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly
done so with Flash, you can't easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using
standard web service technologies (ever try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to
MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper community is a key target audience
for Flex.
>
> In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes into the core
Javascript standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to be the
driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex
easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate one.
>
> Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
>
> Sterling Ledet
>
>
>
> 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Churvis
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to
Mozilla
>
>
>
> Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively soon),
Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the open
source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another company.
>
> But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric
development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based
offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an
unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And there just isn't en

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Teddy Payne]

I would like to vote Sterling for ColdFusion evangelist.Also, I think it is poor tact to comment in a ColdFusion mailing list that ColdFusion is some sort of toy ball that is being passed around.Eeach company that has purchased ColdFusion has pushed the product further.  Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe all value the product and that is why it still exists.
Plus, why was ColdFusion even entered into the argument when the article was about ActionScript? There are projects to integrate Flex with PHP, CF and .Net. At Adobe MAX, there were .Net sessions on how to integrate with Adobe product lines.
Adobe is not trying to seperate, there are trying to integrate.  I know this for a fact.  Teddy On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most 
ridiculous comment I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been 
drinking?
 
If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby 
publicly pledge to buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive 
restaurant you can find in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we 
bet dinner that it doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 
ColdFusion Enterprise is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not 
washed their hands of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, 
whether or not you accept the bet.
 
Here's three points I'd like to make.
 
1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of 
ColdFusion. Do you think they are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as 
well? Do you know how much money they've been losing on the high-end, Java base 
LiveCycle product lines for years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group 
to brand new, state of the art digs reinvesting even more into that effort. 
Acrobat itself was a money loser for half a decade before it became the most 
lucrative product line in Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and 
Photoshop. Adobe is used to making long-term investments, and the purchase of 
Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp by them is one of the best things that could have 
happened for tech junkies like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed 
investment, which even surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe 
is doing that any doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be 
humorous.
 
2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core 
technology like ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from 
LiveMotion (an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for 
those of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe 
plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not one 
made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as such, but 
it is a most absurd deduction.
 
3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that 
Microsoft's XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt 
most of your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together 
tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of adopting 
standards in a way that consistently (and many believe, intentionally) breaks 
competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly done so with Flash, you can't 
easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using standard web service technologies (ever 
try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper 
community is a key target audience for Flex. 
 
In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes 
into the core _javascript_ standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to 
be the driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex 
easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate 
one.
 
Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
 
Sterling Ledet
 

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of Adam ChurvisSent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 
  10:38 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG 
  Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
  
  Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
  (relatively soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of 
  ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying 
  to dump it on another company.
   
  But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its 
  Flash-centric development model and tools cannot keep pace with 
  Microsoft's XAML-based offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based 
  development looks like an unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And 
  there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any 
  significant way, so they "give it up to the people" and let them join in for 
  free.
   
  
  Respectfully,
  Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 
  DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding 
Committee



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Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Adam Churvis]

> I think the above response is drawing some pretty large 
conclusions> that aren't based on any substantiated facts. 
 
You don't really need (and will probably not have) any 
substantiated facts at hand when drawing conclusions about future actions a 
public company might take.  All you have is instinct, an understanding of 
what truly drives public companies, market forces, technology innovations, etc, 
to guide you.  Licking your finger and sticking it in the air to tell which 
way the wind blows helps, too.
 
How are you ever going to have any substantiated facts that 
tell you in plain terms what a company definitely will do?  The facts that 
are released to the public have been thoroughly sanitized and neutered by Public 
Relations and Legal, and the SEC only lets you say certain things 
(virtually nothing of importance) when mergers are about to happen.  I 
wouldn't even call most of them facts, but rather diversions from the real facts 
being hidden.  I mean, big business is often a poker game, 
yes?
 
There are things that Chizen is dealing with right now that 
will determine how Adobe will "handle" its inheritance of the Macromedia product 
line, and they have absolutely nothing at all to do with any of us or how "cool" 
some people think ColdFusion is.  And federal law dictates that Chizen, as 
the leader of a publicly traded company, *must* act with sole regard to the 
betterment of his stockholders' financial positions, as long as those actions do 
not violate any laws.
 
So let's all stop being naive about ColdFusion's future having 
anything at all to do with current number of installations, how much you like 
it, how important it is to you, or anything else that a developer might see as 
important.
 
It may be hard to swallow, but nothing about you or what you 
do is of any importance to them whatsoever.
 

Respectfully,
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Sterling Ledet]

With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most 
ridiculous comment I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been 
drinking?
 
If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby 
publicly pledge to buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive 
restaurant you can find in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we 
bet dinner that it doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 
ColdFusion Enterprise is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not 
washed their hands of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, 
whether or not you accept the bet.
 
Here's three points I'd like to make.
 
1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of 
ColdFusion. Do you think they are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as 
well? Do you know how much money they've been losing on the high-end, Java base 
LiveCycle product lines for years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group 
to brand new, state of the art digs reinvesting even more into that effort. 
Acrobat itself was a money loser for half a decade before it became the most 
lucrative product line in Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and 
Photoshop. Adobe is used to making long-term investments, and the purchase of 
Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp by them is one of the best things that could have 
happened for tech junkies like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed 
investment, which even surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe 
is doing that any doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be 
humorous.
 
2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core 
technology like ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from 
LiveMotion (an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for 
those of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe 
plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not one 
made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as such, but 
it is a most absurd deduction.
 
3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that 
Microsoft's XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt 
most of your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together 
tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of adopting 
standards in a way that consistently (and many believe, intentionally) breaks 
competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly done so with Flash, you can't 
easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using standard web service technologies (ever 
try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper 
community is a key target audience for Flex. 
 
In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes 
into the core _javascript_ standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to 
be the driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex 
easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate 
one.
 
Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
 
Sterling Ledet
 

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Adam ChurvisSent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 
  10:38 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG 
  Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
  
  Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
  (relatively soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of 
  ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying 
  to dump it on another company.
   
  But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its 
  Flash-centric development model and tools cannot keep pace with 
  Microsoft's XAML-based offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based 
  development looks like an unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And 
  there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any 
  significant way, so they "give it up to the people" and let them join in for 
  free.
   
  
  Respectfully,
  Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 
  DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding 
Committee



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Re: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Teddy Payne]

I have to agree for the most part with Steve.  I really do not see this move by Adobe as a choice of weakness because they cannot compete in lateral markets.Whenever code is contributed to Mozilla, this usually indicates a community centric approach to get more involvement in the world community environments to develop more open source solutions to create better products.
Since ActionScript offers a substantial library for Object Oriented programming for rich interfaces, I would foresee the increase in RIA applications.Microsoft has used Flash for their public facing pages in the past.  The world's adoption of the Flash Player as the quickest adopted rich media solution shows the acceptance of ActionScript based tools.
Myself and most developers that I know have Firefox installed on their system out of personal choice and acceptance of community supported browsers that have a better history of security and adoption of web standards.
The move seems logical to give Flash to the world internet community as a demonstration of desire to push web interfaces.TeddyOn 11/8/06, 
Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And som more links:http://www.betanews.com/article/Adobe_Donates_Flash_Code_to_Mozilla/1162924245
http://news.google.com/news?q=adobe+donates+flash+scripting+engine&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en&sa=X&oi=news&ct=titleOn 11/8/06, Steven Ross <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions> that aren't based on any substantiated facts. Here is an article> concerning the move> 
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168153/adobe-donates-flash-code>> article content below> -->> Adobe has donated its ActionScript Virtual Machine code to the Mozilla
> Foundation, kicking off a new open source project dubbed Tamarin.>> Tamarin will be a component of SpiderMonkey, the core _javascript_> engine for Mozilla's Firefox browser.>> Adobe's ActionScript offers a scripting language for the company's
> Flash player. Flash technology is best known for its use by online> video websites such as Youtube and Google Video. The language is> similar to _javascript_ and Microsoft's JScript.>> Adobe and Mozilla expect that the donation will speed up the creation
> of a standards based scripting language, promote the creation of> online applications and increase their performance on Firefox.>> Scripting languages are at the core of today's Web2.0 applications.
> The Ajax technology that forms the basis of Gmail and Flickr for> instance is an acronym for Asynchronous _javascript_ and XML.>> The Adobe contribution is the largest code donation that Mozilla has
> received in its 3 year history.>> On 11/7/06, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> > Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
> > soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the> > open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another> > company.> >> > But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric
> > development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based> > offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an> > unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And there just isn't enough Adobe
> > funding available to change that in any significant way, so they "give it up> > to the people" and let them join in for free.> >> >> >> > Respectfully,
> >> > Adam Phillip Churvis> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer> > BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee> >> >> >> > Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
> > C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at> > ProductivityEnhancement.com> >> >> > - Original Message -> > From: Precia
> > To: discussion@acfug.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:42 PM> > Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
> >> > Adobe has donated the Flash scripting engine code to Mozilla. The> > announcement was made at the Web 2.0 conference.> >> > Would someone enlighten me on the big picture of this gesture.
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Re: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Steven Ross]

And som more links:

http://www.betanews.com/article/Adobe_Donates_Flash_Code_to_Mozilla/1162924245

http://news.google.com/news?q=adobe+donates+flash+scripting+engine&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en&sa=X&oi=news&ct=title

On 11/8/06, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions
that aren't based on any substantiated facts. Here is an article
concerning the move
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168153/adobe-donates-flash-code

article content below
--

Adobe has donated its ActionScript Virtual Machine code to the Mozilla
Foundation, kicking off a new open source project dubbed Tamarin.

Tamarin will be a component of SpiderMonkey, the core JavaScript
engine for Mozilla's Firefox browser.

Adobe's ActionScript offers a scripting language for the company's
Flash player. Flash technology is best known for its use by online
video websites such as Youtube and Google Video. The language is
similar to JavaScript and Microsoft's JScript.

Adobe and Mozilla expect that the donation will speed up the creation
of a standards based scripting language, promote the creation of
online applications and increase their performance on Firefox.

Scripting languages are at the core of today's Web2.0 applications.
The Ajax technology that forms the basis of Gmail and Flickr for
instance is an acronym for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML.

The Adobe contribution is the largest code donation that Mozilla has
received in its 3 year history.

On 11/7/06, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
> soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the
> open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another
> company.
>
> But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric
> development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based
> offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an
> unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And there just isn't enough Adobe
> funding available to change that in any significant way, so they "give it up
> to the people" and let them join in for free.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Adam Phillip Churvis
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
>
>
>
> Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
> C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
> ProductivityEnhancement.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Precia
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:42 PM
> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
>
> Adobe has donated the Flash scripting engine code to Mozilla. The
> announcement was made at the Web 2.0 conference.
>
> Would someone enlighten me on the big picture of this gesture.
>
> Precia
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Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Steven Ross]

I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions
that aren't based on any substantiated facts. Here is an article
concerning the move
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168153/adobe-donates-flash-code

article content below
--

Adobe has donated its ActionScript Virtual Machine code to the Mozilla
Foundation, kicking off a new open source project dubbed Tamarin.

Tamarin will be a component of SpiderMonkey, the core JavaScript
engine for Mozilla's Firefox browser.

Adobe's ActionScript offers a scripting language for the company's
Flash player. Flash technology is best known for its use by online
video websites such as Youtube and Google Video. The language is
similar to JavaScript and Microsoft's JScript.

Adobe and Mozilla expect that the donation will speed up the creation
of a standards based scripting language, promote the creation of
online applications and increase their performance on Firefox.

Scripting languages are at the core of today's Web2.0 applications.
The Ajax technology that forms the basis of Gmail and Flickr for
instance is an acronym for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML.

The Adobe contribution is the largest code donation that Mozilla has
received in its 3 year history.

On 11/7/06, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the
open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another
company.

But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric
development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based
offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an
unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And there just isn't enough Adobe
funding available to change that in any significant way, so they "give it up
to the people" and let them join in for free.



Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee



Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
ProductivityEnhancement.com


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Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

Adobe has donated the Flash scripting engine code to Mozilla. The
announcement was made at the Web 2.0 conference.

Would someone enlighten me on the big picture of this gesture.

Precia


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla

[Adam Churvis]

Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
(relatively soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of 
ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump 
it on another company.
 
But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its 
Flash-centric development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's 
XAML-based offerings.  When you compare the two, Flash-based development 
looks like an unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.  And there just 
isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any significant way, so 
they "give it up to the people" and let them join in for free.
 

Respectfully,
Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 
DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee

Get advanced intensive Master-level training inC# & ASP.NET 2.0 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe MAX - Las Vegas

[Precia]

I'm IN for any night but Wednesday.
 
Precia 
On 10/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Good thing you brought it up... 
I wanted to have a decadent meal at Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill. If we can get a headcount, I'll see about getting a reservation. 
http://www.bobbyflay.com/mesa-vegas.asp As a consumer of strip clubs, I'd be happy to lead that charge! I'll probably just rent a set of clubs, but plan on playing Sunday and Monday if anyone wants to join. 
I'm up for movies and clubbing as well. I plan on playing some blackjack if that suits peoples fancy. Cheers, 
SShawn GorrellWeb Development Applications ArchitectFederal Reserve Bank - AtlantaOffice (404)  498-8449 



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Please give a shout if you are going to Vegas.  There are a few fun things that ACFUG / Atlanta BOF (Birds of a Feather) people have thought of doing.  
   So far for nightly entertainment   Enjoy a decadent meal  (I'm in) A Vegas show (Doing that too)
 A movie night (The Prestidge is currently the highest vote on the list) A strip club (This is the place you'll the best, not amatuer shows you see locallyand it stays in Vegas, baby!)
 Golf (Bring your clubs) Dance club (I'm soo there)   Also, we may converge for breakfast (if you wake early enough) or lunch.  I'll bring something to signify where we could meet and munch.
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe MAX - Las Vegas

[Charlie Arehart]

Folks, as Precia said, please respond to this discussion on 
the Community list. She cross-posted the note on both lists, so some may just 
reply without noticing her request.
 
I'm making the plea to please regard her request. 
Thanks.
 
/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of PreciaSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:38 
PMTo: discussion@acfug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
[ACFUG Discuss] Adobe MAX - Las Vegas

Please give a shout if you are going to Vegas.  There are a few fun 
things that ACFUG / Atlanta BOF (Birds of a Feather) people have thought of 
doing.  
 
So far for nightly entertainment
 
Enjoy a decadent meal  (I'm in)
A Vegas show (Doing that too)
A movie night (The Prestidge is currently the highest vote on the 
list)
A strip club (This is the place you'll the best, not amatuer shows you see 
locallyand it stays in Vegas, baby!)
Golf (Bring your clubs)
Dance club (I'm soo there)
 
Also, we may converge for breakfast (if you wake early enough) or 
lunch.  I'll bring something to signify where we could meet and 
munch.
 
Precia
 
 
 
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		I'll be there also, Mon - Sun, but wife will be with me Thurs on.  I'll be doing the Show/Dinner thing with the wife, but I wouldn't mind hanging out and gambling with some Atlanta ppl (clubs are fun too).Mabye we can set up some temp group email list to keep in touch, I always have my Smart Phone on me.
		

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		Mesa Grill sounds great.  The movie trailer looks great.  I have not played golf in about 12+ months, but I can probably "swing" it.  Dancing at Vegas just sounds like a must.  Gentlmen's club? Why not, I can appreciate the art form.
For those going, I will see you there with a smile.  =)TeddyOn 10/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Good thing you brought it up...I wanted to have a decadent meal at
Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill. If we can get a headcount, I'll see about getting
a reservation.http://www.bobbyflay.com/mesa-vegas.aspAs a consumer of strip clubs, I'd be
happy to lead that charge! I'll probably just rent a set of clubs,
but plan on playing Sunday and Monday if anyone wants to join. I'm up for movies and clubbing as well.
I plan on playing some blackjack if that suits peoples fancy.
Cheers,S
Shawn Gorrell
Web Development Applications Architect
Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta
Office (404)  498-8449Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]10/17/2006 01:38 PMPlease respond todiscussion@acfug.orgTodiscussion@acfug.org, 
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are a few fun things that ACFUG / Atlanta BOF (Birds of a Feather) people
have thought of doing.   So far for nightly entertainment Enjoy a decadent meal  (I'm in)A Vegas show (Doing that too)A movie night (The Prestidge is currently the highest
vote on the list)A strip club (This is the place you'll the best, not amatuer
shows you see locallyand it stays in Vegas, baby!)Golf (Bring your clubs)Dance club (I'm soo there) Also, we may converge for breakfast (if you wake early
enough) or lunch.  I'll bring something to signify where we could
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[Precia]

Gambling is in as well, duhI'll watch, but I usually loose money when I play.
 
Precia 
On 10/17/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mesa Grill sounds great.  The movie trailer looks great.  I have not played golf in about 12+ months, but I can probably "swing" it.  Dancing at Vegas just sounds like a must.  Gentlmen's club? Why not, I can appreciate the art form. 
For those going, I will see you there with a smile.  =)Teddy
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Good thing you brought it up... 
I wanted to have a decadent meal at Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill. If we can get a headcount, I'll see about getting a reservation. 
http://www.bobbyflay.com/mesa-vegas.asp As a consumer of strip clubs, I'd be happy to lead that charge! I'll probably just rent a set of clubs, but plan on playing Sunday and Monday if anyone wants to join. 
I'm up for movies and clubbing as well. I plan on playing some blackjack if that suits peoples fancy. Cheers, 
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 So far for nightly entertainment   Enjoy a decadent meal  (I'm in) A Vegas show (Doing that too) 
A movie night (The Prestidge is currently the highest vote on the list) A strip club (This is the place you'll the best, not amatuer shows you see locallyand it stays in Vegas, baby!) 
Golf (Bring your clubs) Dance club (I'm soo there)   Also, we may converge for breakfast (if you wake early enough) or lunch.  I'll bring something to signify where we could meet and munch.
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe MAX - Las Vegas

[Teddy Payne]

Mesa Grill sounds great.  The movie trailer looks great.  I have not played golf in about 12+ months, but I can probably "swing" it.  Dancing at Vegas just sounds like a must.  Gentlmen's club? Why not, I can appreciate the art form.
For those going, I will see you there with a smile.  =)TeddyOn 10/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good thing you brought it up...

I wanted to have a decadent meal at
Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill. If we can get a headcount, I'll see about getting
a reservation.

http://www.bobbyflay.com/mesa-vegas.asp

As a consumer of strip clubs, I'd be
happy to lead that charge! 

I'll probably just rent a set of clubs,
but plan on playing Sunday and Monday if anyone wants to join. 

I'm up for movies and clubbing as well.
I plan on playing some blackjack if that suits peoples fancy.

Cheers,
S

Shawn Gorrell
Web Development Applications Architect
Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta
Office (404)  498-8449





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Please give a shout if you are going to Vegas.  There
are a few fun things that ACFUG / Atlanta BOF (Birds of a Feather) people
have thought of doing.  
 
So far for nightly entertainment
 
Enjoy a decadent meal  (I'm in)
A Vegas show (Doing that too)
A movie night (The Prestidge is currently the highest
vote on the list)
A strip club (This is the place you'll the best, not amatuer
shows you see locallyand it stays in Vegas, baby!)
Golf (Bring your clubs)
Dance club (I'm soo there)
 
Also, we may converge for breakfast (if you wake early
enough) or lunch.  I'll bring something to signify where we could
meet and munch.
 
Precia
 
 
 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe MAX - Las Vegas

[Shawn . Gorrell]

Good thing you brought it up...

I wanted to have a decadent meal at
Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill. If we can get a headcount, I'll see about getting
a reservation.

http://www.bobbyflay.com/mesa-vegas.asp

As a consumer of strip clubs, I'd be
happy to lead that charge! 

I'll probably just rent a set of clubs,
but plan on playing Sunday and Monday if anyone wants to join. 

I'm up for movies and clubbing as well.
I plan on playing some blackjack if that suits peoples fancy.

Cheers,
S

Shawn Gorrell
Web Development Applications Architect
Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta
Office (404)  498-8449





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Please give a shout if you are going to Vegas.  There
are a few fun things that ACFUG / Atlanta BOF (Birds of a Feather) people
have thought of doing.  
 
So far for nightly entertainment
 
Enjoy a decadent meal  (I'm in)
A Vegas show (Doing that too)
A movie night (The Prestidge is currently the highest
vote on the list)
A strip club (This is the place you'll the best, not amatuer
shows you see locallyand it stays in Vegas, baby!)
Golf (Bring your clubs)
Dance club (I'm soo there)
 
Also, we may converge for breakfast (if you wake early
enough) or lunch.  I'll bring something to signify where we could
meet and munch.
 
Precia
 
 
 
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe using php

[John Mason]

I'm not advocating the doom/gloom theory. I just 
questioning Adobe's commitment. Thankfully there are other players in the CF 
community.
 
John
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Charlie ArehartSent: Monday, October 02, 2006 
6:22 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG 
Discuss] Adobe using php

Well, it doesn't make *me* wonder about the future of 
CF one bit. :-) Guys, this kind of hue and cry arises in the CFML community 
every several months, somewhere, and has for several years. 
 
Honestly, let's not worry about comparing ourselves to 
PHP or .NET or Java. There's a very large population of CFML developers and a 
very large body of CFML work out there. There's really no need to see the glass 
as half-empty. Every measure of activity about CFML (on CF or BD) is 
positive.
 
Let's not make a mountain out of this molehill of Adobe 
using a PHP wiki. Goodness, Adobe's a big company, with people of all sorts of 
skills and preferences. Maybe there's someone with a hard-on for it that just 
wanted to buck the system, and showed that a wiki for it was out 
there already built. In such a case, it honestly makes economic sense for 
them to use it (other than the risk of this prospective hand-wringing). I'm just 
saying that not everyone who sees them do that is going to think it's a 
harbinger of doom (or even an act in such bad taste).
 
Going back to the implication on "what kind of future 
CF has", I've seen this cycle of doom and gloom throughout my 25 years in IT. In 
the prior technology I worked in from 1982-1995, people said *it* was dying. The 
web came out at about the same time, so I jumped to that (and happily, as it was 
a whole new world). Even so, that old technology (a mainframe database package) 
continues to succeed and evolve now 10 years after I left it (and there were 
such pronouncements of its death even in the years *before* I left it). 

 
As with that, companies won't readily or easily abandon 
their investments in CFML (and developers). Indeed, as people *do* leave for 
"greener pastures" that will naturally constrict the available pool of 
developers, thus making things better for those who stay in. Yes, it will make 
things perhaps tougher for those seeking CFML developers, but this is the 
natural cycle of supply and demand. Adam Smith's invisible hand will work its 
magic. 
 
Really. Let's queue Officer Barbrady (from the 
Simpsons): "Move along now people, nothing to see here." :-)
 
Granted, this is just my opinion. 
Others are certainly entitled to 
theirs
 
/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 02, 
2006 5:18 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG 
Discuss] Adobe using php


   
It does make you 
wonder what kind of future ColdFusion really has.  I was in Barnes & 
Nobel the other night looking for a good CSS reference book and stopped to see 
what ColdFusion books were on the shelves. I only found ONE (The Churvis 
“Bible”) but I found more than a dozen PHP books and about 4 dozen ASP 
books.
 
 
Dan
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe using php

[Charlie Arehart]

Well, it doesn't make *me* wonder about the future of 
CF one bit. :-) Guys, this kind of hue and cry arises in the CFML community 
every several months, somewhere, and has for several years. 
 
Honestly, let's not worry about comparing ourselves to 
PHP or .NET or Java. There's a very large population of CFML developers and a 
very large body of CFML work out there. There's really no need to see the glass 
as half-empty. Every measure of activity about CFML (on CF or BD) is 
positive.
 
Let's not make a mountain out of this molehill of Adobe 
using a PHP wiki. Goodness, Adobe's a big company, with people of all sorts of 
skills and preferences. Maybe there's someone with a hard-on for it that just 
wanted to buck the system, and showed that a wiki for it was out 
there already built. In such a case, it honestly makes economic sense for 
them to use it (other than the risk of this prospective hand-wringing). I'm just 
saying that not everyone who sees them do that is going to think it's a 
harbinger of doom (or even an act in such bad taste).
 
Going back to the implication on "what kind of future 
CF has", I've seen this cycle of doom and gloom throughout my 25 years in IT. In 
the prior technology I worked in from 1982-1995, people said *it* was dying. The 
web came out at about the same time, so I jumped to that (and happily, as it was 
a whole new world). Even so, that old technology (a mainframe database package) 
continues to succeed and evolve now 10 years after I left it (and there were 
such pronouncements of its death even in the years *before* I left it). 

 
As with that, companies won't readily or easily abandon 
their investments in CFML (and developers). Indeed, as people *do* leave for 
"greener pastures" that will naturally constrict the available pool of 
developers, thus making things better for those who stay in. Yes, it will make 
things perhaps tougher for those seeking CFML developers, but this is the 
natural cycle of supply and demand. Adam Smith's invisible hand will work its 
magic. 
 
Really. Let's queue Officer Barbrady (from the 
Simpsons): "Move along now people, nothing to see here." :-)
 
Granted, this is just my opinion. 
Others are certainly entitled to 
theirs
 
/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 02, 
2006 5:18 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG 
Discuss] Adobe using php


   
It does make you 
wonder what kind of future ColdFusion really has.  I was in Barnes & 
Nobel the other night looking for a good CSS reference book and stopped to see 
what ColdFusion books were on the shelves. I only found ONE (The Churvis 
“Bible”) but I found more than a dozen PHP books and about 4 dozen ASP 
books.
 
 
Dan
 



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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe using php

[Dan]









This brings to mind a famous “business
lesson” story about Al Ueltschi, president of Flight-Safety International, one
of Berkshire-Hathaway's two flight service subsidiaries (Warren Buffet’s
company).  Flight Safety provides pilot training for (most all) the commercial
airlines world wide.  When ever Mr. Uletschi flew to meeting with a client he
ALWAYS flew on their (his client’s)  regularly scheduled airlines (vs. his own
private Lear jet or a charter.) He said (and I paraphrase) “What kind of
confidence in our services would I instill in our customers if I implied I didn’t
trust their planes (that we trained.)”

 

What kind of message is a company sending
out when they use “someone else’s” product to do the job?  Just like Doug Knudsen’s
comment about the (new) head of Ford driving a Mercedes (he actually drives a
Lexus I heard in the news story about this.) 

 

It does make you wonder what kind of
future ColdFusion really has.  I was in Barnes & Nobel the other night
looking for a good CSS reference book and stopped to see what ColdFusion books
were on the shelves. I only found ONE (The Churvis “Bible”) but I found more
than a dozen PHP books and about 4 dozen ASP books.

 

 

Dan

 









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using php



 

I always appreciate a dissenting
point of view, but try to think about it from this angle. I keep hearing that
Adobe/Macromedia will spend more advertising and marketing dollars for
ColdFusion than in the old Allaire days. Adobe supposely will spend marketing
dollars for ColdFusion. They will hopefully note the advantages of CF in
relation to other technologies like PHP, but then on the flip side, their own
staff uses that competing technology on a labs site? A labs site that
should be a showcase of what Adobe and it's technology can do? Sorry but that
doesn't make much sense to me and it really draws into question their
commitment to things.

 

John

 

 

 







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Behalf Of Charlie Arehart
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:29
PM
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user & question

Oh, I don't know. With all due respect
John, I don't quite get the fretting over things like this. :-) Look, if
there was a good one in PHP, why go and build one in CF? And while there may be
ones in CF, if they're not as good, would it really be most prudent of them to
either go build it or work to improve an existing one?

 

I guess your response (as with many) may
argue that they should. I'm just putting in a more pragmatic perspective that
says, "you know, it's a big world out there, and CF doesn't need to be
behind EVERY web app created--and yes, I'd say even ones run out of
Adobe". I know some will disagree. Just wanted to offer a dissenting
voice. 



 



/charlie

http://www.carehart.org/blog/



 



 







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Why Adobe? Why? Why build a wiki using php
and not your own product? 

 

 

 







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When is the delivery date?  If you have time to consider this,
look into Adobe's Apollo.  





 





"Apollo is a cross-OS runtime that allows developers to leverage
their existing web development skills (Flash, Flex, HTML, Ajax) to build and deploy desktop RIA's."





 





http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo





 





Precia

 





On 10/2/06, Max
Immelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

 





All,





 





Just joined the user group today. I have been a CF developer
since 2000.





 





I need to find out if anyone had built or knows how to build
an online/offline application. Something like a thin client that the user
installs. When working offline the data is saved locally and then synced when
the user is online again. 





 





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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe using php

[Charlie Arehart]

But if they leveraged a tool that's already built, that's 
going to be faster than building something from scratch using the fastest 
possible tool.
 
Still, I get the points that John and Douglas are 
making. Just playing the middle man.
 
/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/
 


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my understanding was they used PHP 
when it first launched in order to
get it up fast. the PHP site was 
actually put up by macromedia and it
was a stink but not one people 
really highlighted because they were so
jonese for pre release 
products.
 
 
That’s so odd, 
considering the biggest selling point of CF is it’s easy and fast. Rapid 
Application Development. 
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my understanding was they used PHP when it first launched in
order to

get it up fast. the PHP site was actually put up by
macromedia and it

was a stink but not one people really highlighted because
they were so

jonese for pre release products.

 

 

That’s so odd,
considering the biggest selling point of CF is it’s easy and fast. Rapid
Application Development. Huh.









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[jonese]

my understanding was they used PHP when it first launched in order to
get it up fast. the PHP site was actually put up by macromedia and it
was a stink but not one people really highlighted because they were so
jonese for pre release products.

I'm still waiting for it to change but my guess is it won't happen any
time soon.just like they said they would bring back the devnet
stuff, only to be told nope it's not coming back

jonese

On 10/2/06, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

its kind of like the head of Ford driving around in a Mercedes, eh?

DK


On 10/2/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
>
> I always appreciate a dissenting point of view, but try to think about it
from this angle. I keep hearing that Adobe/Macromedia will spend more
advertising and marketing dollars for ColdFusion than in the old Allaire
days. Adobe supposely will spend marketing dollars for ColdFusion. They will
hopefully note the advantages of CF in relation to other technologies like
PHP, but then on the flip side, their own staff uses that competing
technology on a labs site? A labs site that should be a showcase of what
Adobe and it's technology can do? Sorry but that doesn't make much sense to
me and it really draws into question their commitment to things.
>
> John
>
>
>
> 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie
Arehart
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] New user & question
>
>
>
> Oh, I don't know. With all due respect John, I don't quite get the
fretting over things like this. :-) Look, if there was a good one in PHP,
why go and build one in CF? And while there may be ones in CF, if they're
not as good, would it really be most prudent of them to either go build it
or work to improve an existing one?
>
> I guess your response (as with many) may argue that they should. I'm just
putting in a more pragmatic perspective that says, "you know, it's a big
world out there, and CF doesn't need to be behind EVERY web app created--and
yes, I'd say even ones run out of Adobe". I know some will disagree. Just
wanted to offer a dissenting voice.
>
> /charlie
> http://www.carehart.org/blog/
>
>
> 
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> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 1:18 PM
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> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] New user & question
>
>
>
> Why Adobe? Why? Why build a wiki using php and not your own product?
>
>
>
> 
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> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 1:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] New user & question
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>
>
> When is the delivery date?  If you have time to consider this, look into
Adobe's Apollo.
>
> "Apollo is a cross-OS runtime that allows developers to leverage their
existing web development skills (Flash, Flex, HTML, Ajax) to build and
deploy desktop RIA's."
>
> http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo
>
> Precia
>
>
> On 10/2/06, Max Immelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > All,
> >
> > Just joined the user group today. I have been a CF developer since 2000.
> >
> > I need to find out if anyone had built or knows how to build an
online/offline application. Something like a thin client that the user
installs. When working offline the data is saved locally and then synced
when the user is online again.
> >
> > Thanks! -Max
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[Douglas Knudsen]

its kind of like the head of Ford driving around in a Mercedes, eh?DKOn 10/2/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:




I always appreciate a dissenting point of view, but 
try to think about it from this angle. I keep hearing that Adobe/Macromedia will 
spend more advertising and marketing dollars for ColdFusion than in the old 
Allaire days. Adobe supposely will spend marketing dollars for ColdFusion. They 
will hopefully note the advantages of CF in relation to other technologies like 
PHP, but then on the flip side, their own staff uses that competing 
technology on a labs site? A labs site that should be a showcase of 
what Adobe and it's technology can do? Sorry but that doesn't make much sense to 
me and it really draws into question their commitment to 
things.
 
John
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Charlie ArehartSent: Monday, October 02, 2006 
2:29 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG 
Discuss] New user & question

Oh, I don't know. With all due respect John, I don't 
quite get the fretting over things like this. :-) Look, if there was a good one 
in PHP, why go and build one in CF? And while there may be ones in CF, if 
they're not as good, would it really be most prudent of them to either go build 
it or work to improve an existing one?
 
I guess your response (as with many) may argue that they 
should. I'm just putting in a more pragmatic perspective that says, "you know, 
it's a big world out there, and CF doesn't need to be behind EVERY web app 
created--and yes, I'd say even ones run out of Adobe". I know some will 
disagree. Just wanted to offer a dissenting voice. 
 
/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of John MasonSent: Monday, October 02, 2006 1:18 
PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] New 
user & question

Why Adobe? Why? Why build a wiki using php and not your own 
product? 
 
 


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of PreciaSent: Monday, October 02, 2006 1:13 
PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] New 
user & question

When is the delivery date?  If you have time to consider this, look 
into Adobe's Apollo.  
 
"Apollo is a cross-OS runtime that allows developers to leverage their 
existing web development skills (Flash, Flex, HTML, Ajax) to build and deploy 
desktop RIA's."
 
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo
 
Precia 
On 10/2/06, Max 
Immelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
 

  
  All,
   
  Just joined the user group today. I have been a 
  CF developer since 2000.
   
  I need to find out if anyone had built or knows 
  how to build an online/offline application. Something like a thin client that 
  the user installs. When working offline the data is saved locally and then 
  synced when the user is online again. 
   
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Developer Week

[Gerrey . Mary-Catherine]

Anyone have the URL for the Model-Glue
presentation yesterday?  I had a doc appt!

mcg






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Did you miss any of the Adobe Developer Week
of online Breeze-based presentations? Here are links to some of the recordings.
  
 
Title          
                     
                     Recording
    
Adobe Engagement Platform              
    http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p50165810/

Introduction to Developing Flex            
   http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p29278920/

Building Flex Apps with Flex Builder        http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p19942249/

Building Killer RIAs? Meet: Adobe’s Next-Gen Technology http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p19942249/

Architecture and Overview of Adobe's Security Model  http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p67184497/

ColdFusion Powered Flex              
        http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p59578003/

 
Precia had pointed out the series here a
couple of weeks ago, below. While you can still sign up for those that
remain (using the link below), many are now "sold out". If I
get more links I'll share them. Thanks to Mick Keily of the Cleveland CFUG
who shared the links on his list.
 
/charlie
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Adobe is having a week of online training
for several products developers may be interested.
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=detail&id=452429&loc=en_us
 
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Developer Week

[Charlie Arehart]

Did you miss any of the Adobe Developer Week of 
online Breeze-based presentations? Here are links to some of the 
recordings.   
 
Title   
   Recording 
Adobe Engagement Platform  
     http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p50165810/ Introduction to Developing Flex    
http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p29278920/ Building Flex Apps with Flex Builder    http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p19942249/ Building Killer RIAs? Meet: Adobe’s Next-Gen Technology http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p19942249/ Architecture and Overview of Adobe's Security Model  http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p67184497/ ColdFusion Powered 
Flex   
http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p59578003/ 
 
Precia had pointed out the series here a 
couple of weeks ago, below. While you can still sign up for those that 
remain (using the link below), many are now "sold out". If I get more links I'll share them. Thanks to Mick 
Keily of the Cleveland CFUG who shared the links on his 
list.
 
/charlie
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Discuss] Adobe Developer Week
 
Adobe is having a week of online training for 
several products developers may be interested.http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=detail&id=452429&loc=en_us
 
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