Re: Voting and Free Software
Le 10/12/2019 à 17:50, Paul Schaub a écrit : Tom Scott did a video about why electronic voting is (still) a bad idea: https://invidio.us/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs Hi, at the end he talks very quickly about the blockchain way, witch was the one explored in the conference <https://www.agendadulibre.org/events/19086> I told you before. There was at least two flaws, I don't remember the first one. The second one was the lack of knowledge about keys and computing in general in the average voter person. The Cambridge museum where the video takes place seems to be very interesting... RMS said: We used to have a GNU package, GNU FREE, for holding elections. Dear Richard, could you write more about the purpose of this (former) package? -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Voting and Free Software
Le 05/11/2019 à 08:55, Matthias Kirschner a écrit : Do you agree with this criticism or what do you think about that topic? Hi, this is Roberto Di Cosmo, one of the oldest and most important free computing activists in Europe. I'd like to read its book « Technologie et Marché : journal d'un consommateur insatisfait ». A few months ago, I attended <https://www.agendadulibre.org/events/19086>. The activist presented us a solution that could almost work. It would need that every voter had a couple of public/private key and a very specific workflow. But anyway, another problem is: should we still act like if elections had the effects our dictators say they have? In the same family of events in Paris area, the subject is more and more on the table, especially around the question of the liberty deputies really have, or, more realistically, don't have. One of the main talk is, in french: <https://numaparis.ubicast.tv/videos/isa-attard-hacker-le-parlement/> I attend another talk from her(she's a former deputy and disgusted) two days ago, she said that telling people that voting has effect is a lie. I'd like to make a Webpage with all these talks in chronological order, to show the growing of the reflexions on the subject as time runs(and why not an offline archive in the same order). And for a lot of others things but have so much other things to do... and it's very much data to store... One of the argument in the event 19086 was that electronic voting would improve democracy by enabling others types of votes counts, better than the "majority in two turns" one. -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Free Software in Munich - FSFE thanks cabaret artist Christine Prayon
Le 15/05/2019 à 13:48, Besnik Bleta a écrit : was FSFE chosen because of its fight or the lack thereof? Either way, FSFE should refuse taking that money. It's money coming from the 50 + 37 = 87 million deal of City of Munich against Free Software. Hi, the last point isn't a problem for me, but the first is a good concern. I think that if FSFE doesn't know how to use this huge amount of money, it could consider ask her to give it to another similar organisation. For example, I think that the most urgent fight by now is <https://www.laquadrature.net/en/2018/11/28/antiterrorism-censorship-macron-teams-up-with-the-web-giants-to-set-up-mass-surveillance/> If this law become reality, Europe will be China and all fights of any organisation in every domain going in another way than the "world company" way would be threaten by censorship. -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: external request to leave the Discussion mailing list
Le 06/05/2019 à 12:50, Daniel Pocock a écrit : So what you write appears to be rather defamatory and offensive but also a bit ridiculous. Just the type of thing that other people from FSFE have been doing with private gossip emails. Naturally, lists.fsfe.org allows offensive messages like yours to get through the censorship regime but then they will probably block replies like mine, hence the reason we have a new home for the fellowship list at https://fsfellowship.eu Anybody who wants to unsubscribe willi before he sends more defamation can click the confirmation link he willingly shared with us: Hi Daniel, please stop all of this. I didn't know who was right or wrong until last week, now, thanks to your childish behavior, I know. -- Angry Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Microsoft to warn users not to install a different browser
Le 12/09/2018 à 16:05, Bjoern Schiessle a écrit : Now, 9 years later I read "Microsoft to ‘warn’ Windows 10 users not to install Chrome or Firefox"[2]. So 9 years later the dialog is back again, but it does the complete opposite this time. It warns user to install anything else beside Microsoft Edge. Hi, I don't understand why this is showed as a test. In the university I works in, since we deploy window$ 10(for around a year I would guess), this message has always been there. We've got scheduled tasks installing some free tools in background on all computers(we use "Fusion Inventory"), including Mozilla Firefox. At the first launch(on each single one user session), it asks if we want it to be the default browser(I don't remember if there was this problem with window$ Seven). When we choose "yes", here comes the first change from previous window$ OSses: the change can't be made directly. There's a sort of protection in the OS preventing it and redirecting the request to a "default software manager". This last one take a little time to launch, sometimes stay in the background, it's not very user-friendly. When we look at it, there's a list of software roles like "media player", "map browser", "Mail manager", "Web browser" and so on. Let's say it's a sort of graphical equivalent to GNU/Linux alternatives system. And so here the user can choose to change the application linked to each category, opening drop-down menus regarding each one of these. As far as I am concerned, the tool doesn't complain when we change any of these software selections, except... the Web browser. When we choose another one than Edge(I don't know what happens if we choose IE, didn't tested or do not remember!), the a window saying something like "Edge is a new great Web browser, fast and reliable. Are you sure to want to replace it?" appears and we have a big button "No, keep it as my default browser". Theres a little text, like a Web link, saying "Yes I'm sure". Well I won't again complain here about the fact that I'm completely sure we lost the free software battle, but if you read some of my previous mails here, you know how much I'm pessimistic regarding the future of our Earth and its inhabitants. -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools
Le 29/01/2018 à 09:53, Daniel Pocock a écrit : You can simultaneously solve your problems with public transport and finding a date by purchasing a motorbike. Hi, I can't believe how much you're trying to find even the silliest answers to avoid seeing reality, especially here at FSFE!!! For information I use mainly a Brompton bike in my everyday life but we nobody can't avoid public transport in his entire life... but why I am discussing this...? -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools
Le 28/01/2018 à 13:00, Andreas Nilsson a écrit : Just my two cents. Hi, telle me where is the paradise you're living in -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: impact of Gmail's "promotions" tab on free software communities
Le 25/01/2018 à 11:09, Daniel Pocock a écrit : There was a discussion in one community recently about essential emails not reaching new contributors because they get stuck in the Gmail "promotions" tab. Hi, the "Free" FAI(no related in away way with libre computer science movement, <http://www.universfreebox.com/article/26484/Free-mise-en-place-d-un-nouveau-systeme-de-tri-des-mails-avec-Zimbra>) does the same thing and have got aggressive anti-spam filters too making valuables mails never reach. -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools
Le 22/01/2018 à 19:31, br...@tracciabi.li a écrit : I suppose "here" means Paris or France. I bet it's possible and not too complicated to use public transports without a pokécom (pocket-computer). You buy a ticket and you hop on. Or maybe you can also buy directly onboard. Like we've been doing for more than one century. Hi, yes it's becoming very complicated. In Paris, you don't have bus maps anymore on the stops. More and more networks are not printing timetable anymore(like my regional rail network. And they are so badly organised that the times of the trains change from day to day without notice other than being online every second). You can still buy paper-tickets for urban transports but prices are made in a way that it often costs more and they clearly plan to stop them in a few years, like they made for some other things(tax declaration...). For trains, they are closing all the desks, and even on this one, we must argue to have anonymous tickets(and if we suceed they of course cost more). Automatic computerized sellers can distribute only the tickets that the company want us to buy and not the best ones for our destination. Same thing for going to the theatre, museum and so on. Ditto. Are ticket booths/websites banned in France? Almost. Like for transport, you'll have to wait in the hot or cold without being sure to enter and pay more. I don't believe you: one single counter-example (one single person being able to find a job or a friend) would invalidate your point. I see that you want to imagine you're living in a great society. How lucky you are. The fall will be hard. Anyway, I'm not going to waste more of my time and other people's bandwith arguing while you cannot defend your point with a logical argument. /b *I feel ashamed using such a meaningful word as "resist" to mean something as ordinary as "not using proprietary platforms". ___ Well, it's funny how much both of your sentences oppose themselves :-) Anyway we can discuss how much we want this won't change nothing, things will keep on this way(we even have a trader as president in france who is feed by this "new economy" myth every morning) and we'll have to obey or die. -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools
Le 20/01/2018 à 09:09, White_Rabbit a écrit : I wouldn't call "full" a social life which cannot be lived without proprietary platforms. Maybe "fully controlled" could be a better description Hi, I don't speak sufficiently English to understand all these little words subtleties but it seems we're not exactly living in the same world. Here to be sure to fully use public transports, we need to be ultra-connected with a pocket-computer(occasionally doing badly phone function). Same thing for going to the theatre, museum and so on. Most organisation's local groups use gayfam services to communicate. If you're not active on these platform, you have no chance to find a job in the private sector, new friends, boy/girlfriend(s). By chance I work in public sector, I'm so much busy that I don't need to find so much people and occupations and I found a loving mate several years ago to continue with the same examples but how would I do if I was younger in this world? And things will become worse and worse: to find an flat, to pay legacy taxes and so on need more and more to compromise ourselves with these technologies. And additionally, finding ways to resist consumes a huge lot of time, energy, money and make us pictured as nerdy and so on. Not very good for social life... -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools
Le 19/01/2018 à 13:30, Jonas Oberg a écrit : And to follow up, since I can anticipate one answer :-), you can decide what runs or what does not run on your computer. No one is forcing you to run priorietary JavaScript from Google or Facebook. You just need to stop using those services. When you accept to use a service, you also, implicitly agree to the conditions by which that service is offered. Except that these are linked to almost every Website and we can't do some activities and have a full social life if we refuse them. -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools
Le 19/01/2018 à 11:21, Carsten Agger a écrit : I think that our different viewpoints may be due to the fact that, as a web developer, I normally don't think of web sites as places to find information, but as programs. This program may, of course, be a CMS like Drupal or Plone, and in that case, no JavaScript is actually needed (even though the Plone guys are currently building a new JS-only interface called Pastanaga which is also a user experience project). Hi, this is the problem. HTTP has been devoyed. Another technology should have been invented to create networked applications over Internet. And Javascript is a real pain: I can't accept that we need now computers more powerful to display some basic informations than games of several years ago. And we don't have the choice. I don't know how I will be able to keep on living in this society. -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: breaking bad habits like Doodle and Facebook with, plugins?
Le 18/01/2018 à 12:41, Carmen Bianca Bakker a écrit : I don't find this argument very strong at all. What about a man's rights to hold slaves? What about a man's rights to sell oneself into slavery? I am aware that the comparison isn't 100% apt, but it relies on the same core argument: People having the right to deny others rights and freedoms, and people having the right to waive their rights and freedoms. If you start treating rights and freedoms as something that can be negotiated individually, the "powerful" will misuse this to transfer the rights of the "weak" over to them. I'm a staunch individualist, but the individual right to opt out of freedom is not one that I can comprehend or support. Yours, I share this. These are two of the main differences between libre software advocacies(Linus Torvalds and Eric Raymond for the first, RMS for the second) and I think it would be hardly solved now and here... -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?
Le 23/07/2017 à 09:37, Daniel Pocock a écrit : Actually, I have been thinking very seriously about blocking all email from gmail.com I think and dream about it too, but that would cut me from people that wouldn't change their mail ever, and I absolutely need to communicate with them. Another problem is that I don't manage my own Postfix, don't have mobile phone and never go(even only for reading) on any social network at an age where common people doesn't even know mail and IRC anymore. Another thing: even if I follow this list from very far, in general Daniel I found your mails to be very interesting, I think we share some points of views :-) -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?
Le 23/07/2017 à 12:02, Theo Schmidt a écrit : There is a fundamental difference between proprietary platforms with their own proprietary protocols used quasi-publicly (like Facebook) and proprietary platforms usable with public (FOSS) protocols, like Gmail, and Email or "WWW", etc. in general. As a non-Gmail-user, I can still read from and write to a Gmail account. As a non-Facebook-user, I can read some Facebook content, but not write to it. This leads to discrimination when quasi-public organisations use Facebook. E.g. Swiss television and radio (a so-called public service) no longer uses open email addresses or even specific web-forms Hi, yes you're absolutely right and in france this is more and more a problem and will continue to, especially with our new president. And I add to this the need to have a computer-phone for more and more things too, while public services are closing: Documentations printed on paper(transport schedules...), phone booths, human desks in postal service, transport services, etc. Living in this world become more and more difficult, I don't how and how long I will succeed in survive in it. -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
