Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 29/10/2020 01:35, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 01:21:13AM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: >> Why do you doubt the facts in the Debian Community News article? > > The expressed fact in the article is that a member of DAM works for a > company based 25 miles from the GCHQ headquarters. It is also a fact > that your domain is associated with a company registered 3 miles from > the MI6 headquarters. Readers may make their own inferences. Many people choose to be in central London but the people who choose to be out in the countryside near GCHQ may not be there for agricultural work. https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/ ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 01:21:13AM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: > > > On 29/10/2020 00:29, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:59:44PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > >> My post office box at Melbourne University was less than one meter from > >> Julian Assange of Wikileaks. He was living a few hundred meters down > >> the road. > > > > Is there a meaningful distinction between this and the evidence you have > > provided to imply that GCHQ has infiltrated DAM? > > > Why do you doubt the facts in the Debian Community News article? The expressed fact in the article is that a member of DAM works for a company based 25 miles from the GCHQ headquarters. It is also a fact that your domain is associated with a company registered 3 miles from the MI6 headquarters. Readers may make their own inferences. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 29/10/2020 00:29, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:59:44PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> My post office box at Melbourne University was less than one meter from >> Julian Assange of Wikileaks. He was living a few hundred meters down >> the road. > > Is there a meaningful distinction between this and the evidence you have > provided to imply that GCHQ has infiltrated DAM? Why do you doubt the facts in the Debian Community News article? https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/ ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:59:44PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > My post office box at Melbourne University was less than one meter from > Julian Assange of Wikileaks. He was living a few hundred meters down > the road. Is there a meaningful distinction between this and the evidence you have provided to imply that GCHQ has infiltrated DAM? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 28/10/2020 23:49, Matthew Garrett wrote: > The registrant information for danielpocock.com contains an address only > around 3 miles from the headquarters of MI6. Not only that, the same > address was the registered office for two fradulant companies > (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/high-court-orders-six-more-bogus-multi-million-pound-companies-into-liquidation). > > Is it reasonable to conclude that you're operating on behalf of MI6? Boring! My post office box at Melbourne University was less than one meter from Julian Assange of Wikileaks. He was living a few hundred meters down the road. I spent four years living in St Albans, Herts, where Kim Philby infamously plundered the MI6 archives. Did you read his book? It is always a pleasure to collaborate with my peers in the UK but I have no respect for those who insult my family. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:36:59PM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: > > > On 28/10/2020 23:27, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 02:27:58PM -0700, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: > >> El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió: > >>> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian. > >> > >> How can he know? As I see, he is talking about probabilities and > >> suspicious coincidences. You do not see it that way? > > > > The suspicious coincidence that a member of DAM works for a company > > based 25 miles from the GCHQ headquarters? > > > Having run a full marathon (26.2 miles) before lunch, we don't feel that > is a long way. We'd be delighted to jog it with the SAS and have beers > with GCHQ at the finish. The registrant information for danielpocock.com contains an address only around 3 miles from the headquarters of MI6. Not only that, the same address was the registered office for two fradulant companies (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/high-court-orders-six-more-bogus-multi-million-pound-companies-into-liquidation). Is it reasonable to conclude that you're operating on behalf of MI6? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 28/10/2020 23:27, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 02:27:58PM -0700, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: >> El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió: >>> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian. >> >> How can he know? As I see, he is talking about probabilities and >> suspicious coincidences. You do not see it that way? > > The suspicious coincidence that a member of DAM works for a company > based 25 miles from the GCHQ headquarters? Having run a full marathon (26.2 miles) before lunch, we don't feel that is a long way. We'd be delighted to jog it with the SAS and have beers with GCHQ at the finish. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 02:27:58PM -0700, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: > El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió: > > No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian. > > How can he know? As I see, he is talking about probabilities and > suspicious coincidences. You do not see it that way? The suspicious coincidence that a member of DAM works for a company based 25 miles from the GCHQ headquarters? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 28/10/2020 23:01, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: >> If we had a choice between having lunch with the boss of GCHQ and a DAM, >> we would choose GCHQ any day. > > You mean that their capacity is better or that their intentions are less > evil? The bit about intellectual capacity DAMs are not necessarily evil, maybe just stupid, gullible and devoid of human empathy. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
El 2020-10-28 16:32, Debian Community News Team escribió: > On 28/10/2020 22:27, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: >> El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió: >>> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian. >> >> How can he know? As I see, he is talking about probabilities and >> suspicious coincidences. You do not see it that way? > > > If GCHQ are doing their job well, nobody could ever prove the extent to > which they infiltrated Debian. > > Out of respect for the GCHQ agents, we have no doubt they could fool the > misfits in DAM if they really wanted to. These statements sound plausible and look as what you said before. Doesn't Matthew get it too? > If we had a choice between having lunch with the boss of GCHQ and a DAM, > we would choose GCHQ any day. You mean that their capacity is better or that their intentions are less evil? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 28/10/2020 22:27, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: > El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió: >> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian. > > How can he know? As I see, he is talking about probabilities and > suspicious coincidences. You do not see it that way? If GCHQ are doing their job well, nobody could ever prove the extent to which they infiltrated Debian. Out of respect for the GCHQ agents, we have no doubt they could fool the misfits in DAM if they really wanted to. If we had a choice between having lunch with the boss of GCHQ and a DAM, we would choose GCHQ any day. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió: > No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian. How can he know? As I see, he is talking about probabilities and suspicious coincidences. You do not see it that way? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 09:54:55PM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: > > > On 28/10/2020 20:33, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 09:34:21AM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 27/10/2020 23:01, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> > >>> If GCHQ wanted to infiltrate Debian then I have no doubt that they could > >>> do so. Are you asserting that they have done so? > >> > >> Is there any difference between GCHQ agents infiltrating Debian and > >> Google apologists infiltrating Debian? > > > > Are you asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian? > > Are you asking if we think GCHQ's powers of infiltration are superior to > Debian's powers of defense? No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 28/10/2020 20:33, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 09:34:21AM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: >> >> >> On 27/10/2020 23:01, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> >>> If GCHQ wanted to infiltrate Debian then I have no doubt that they could >>> do so. Are you asserting that they have done so? >> >> Is there any difference between GCHQ agents infiltrating Debian and >> Google apologists infiltrating Debian? > > Are you asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian? Are you asking if we think GCHQ's powers of infiltration are superior to Debian's powers of defense? We wouldn't be the least bit surprised if GCHQ is actually using Debian too You don't seriously think people at GCHQ work in Visual Basic do you? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 09:34:21AM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: > > > On 27/10/2020 23:01, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > If GCHQ wanted to infiltrate Debian then I have no doubt that they could > > do so. Are you asserting that they have done so? > > Is there any difference between GCHQ agents infiltrating Debian and > Google apologists infiltrating Debian? Are you asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 27/10/2020 23:01, Matthew Garrett wrote: > If GCHQ wanted to infiltrate Debian then I have no doubt that they could > do so. Are you asserting that they have done so? Is there any difference between GCHQ agents infiltrating Debian and Google apologists infiltrating Debian? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 08:56:06AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 27/10/2020 05:15, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:30:57PM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: > >> Garfield is going to love this... Tiger Computing could be the link from > >> GCHQ to Debian > >> > >> https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/ > > > > Could you walk us through this a little more clearly? Is the suggestion > > that GCHQ infiltrated DAM and that your expulsion from Debian was > > encouraged by individuals working for the British signal intelligence > > organisation? > > Are you suggesting the individuals working for the British signal > intelligence organisation are lazy and never thought of infiltrating > Debian because they are busy doing crosswords? If GCHQ wanted to infiltrate Debian then I have no doubt that they could do so. Are you asserting that they have done so? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
Oct 27, 2020, 07:56 by dan...@pocock.pro: > > >> Could you walk us through this a little more clearly? Is the suggestion >> that GCHQ infiltrated DAM and that your expulsion from Debian was >> encouraged by individuals working for the British signal intelligence >> organisation? >> > > Are you suggesting the individuals working for the British signal > intelligence organisation are lazy and never thought of infiltrating > Debian because they are busy doing crosswords? > Could you once for one time answer a simple question without asking a stupid counter question. This is not a question. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
> Is the suggestion > that GCHQ infiltrated DAM ... > > Are you suggesting the individuals working for the British signal > intelligence organisation are lazy and never thought of infiltrating > Debian because they are busy doing crosswords? > > > Could you once for one time answer a simple question without asking a > stupid counter question. This is not a question. > Answers are all here: https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/ Please share before they call a drone strike on our servers ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On 27/10/2020 05:15, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:30:57PM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: >> Garfield is going to love this... Tiger Computing could be the link from >> GCHQ to Debian >> >> https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/ > > Could you walk us through this a little more clearly? Is the suggestion > that GCHQ infiltrated DAM and that your expulsion from Debian was > encouraged by individuals working for the British signal intelligence > organisation? Are you suggesting the individuals working for the British signal intelligence organisation are lazy and never thought of infiltrating Debian because they are busy doing crosswords? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:30:57PM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote: > Garfield is going to love this... Tiger Computing could be the link from > GCHQ to Debian > > https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/ Hi Daniel Could you walk us through this a little more clearly? Is the suggestion that GCHQ infiltrated DAM and that your expulsion from Debian was encouraged by individuals working for the British signal intelligence organisation? -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
