Re: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period
Hi Haim, My POV is that If you build it, they will come. Nobody _needs_ posters in order to get a LUG going. Posters may be printed for W2L events, but usually (at least in Haifux) promotion of the W2L was done using simple copy-machine prints. The important thing about setting up a LUG is getting good lecturers to begin a standard, and getting good people who wish to be the core of the group. I suggest that before investing money in PR, you researched the level of interest in that regard. Previous new LUGs did not have a LUG within about 100 kilometers from them. BIUX will have Telux in the same city. Will there be enough people who want to come to BIUX? Or will the people who come to Telux just come sometimes here and sometimes there, thus reducing the number of people in each lecture? A minimal number of people is required in a lecture, otherwise the lecturer feels cheated - the lecturer has travelled for some time, wasting money and time, and nobody (or very few people) want to listen to him/her. Orna. On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Haim Tzadok wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:52:17 +0200 From: Haim Tzadok [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discussions@hamakor.org.il Cc: Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period Dotan, I support your ideas and think this is the right way to build a good frame of work. As I mentioned in a reply to Shlomi's mail(which was practically ignored): Is there any intention from the Amuta/Vaad to proceed promoting each club continuing activities ?! In Bar-Ilan, we intend to continue with a bi-weekly lectures, from the start of the 2nd semester.(March-06) For that we need more resources (postcards, posters, CD's etc...) and of course lecturers - if anyone has any interesting subject in Linux/open source he want to present. Haim On 12/30/05, Dotan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Omer Zak wrote: At this opportunity I would like to ask the candidates for the next Hamakor Board elections to tell us exactly what they think should be done by them in their role as Board members, and what should be done in their role as acting project leaders. �¤�¨��×� � �§����× �©����� �×� ��§�� ��¢��¨ ��×��� ��§�¨�� �¢���� �- http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/discussions/12-2005/2954.html
BIUX vs. TELUX (was: Re: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period)
On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 12:56 +0200, Orna Agmon wrote: Previous new LUGs did not have a LUG within about 100 kilometers from them. BIUX will have Telux in the same city. Will there be enough people who want to come to BIUX? Or will the people who come to Telux just come sometimes here and sometimes there, thus reducing the number of people in each lecture? A minimal number of people is required in a lecture, otherwise the lecturer feels cheated - the lecturer has travelled for some time, wasting money and time, and nobody (or very few people) want to listen to him/her. BIUX is indeed near to TELUX for people with car or other means of transportation. However, at rush hours, transportation time between TAU and BIU can be as long as an hour, equivalent to 100Km of inter-city clear road. And LUG meetings typically start at or shortly after rush hour. So it makes sense to hold some Linux related lectures in BIU. I suggest that BIUX and TELUX coordinate their lectures and times so that at least people with too much time on their hands will be able to profitably spend their time in both TELUX and BIUX. It may also be a good idea to schedule a lecture and then let the BIUX and TELUX members vote together where they prefer to hear the lecture - TAU or BIU. Then hold the lecture where the majority prefers it. (NOTE: the above was written under the general philosophy of trying to support an activity as much as possible by finding for it means to make sense, rather than kill it due to a reason from a never-ending list of reasons and excuses.) --- Omer -- Sent from a PC running a top secret test version of Windows 97. My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period
Orna Agmon wrote: Hi Haim, My POV is that If you build it, they will come. Nobody _needs_ posters in order to get a LUG going. Posters may be printed for W2L events, but usually (at least in Haifux) promotion of the W2L was done using simple copy-machine prints. And ofcourse the time of the LUG coordinator/s. The important thing about setting up a LUG is getting good lecturers to begin a standard, and getting good people who wish to be the core of the group. I suggest that before investing money in PR, you researched the level of interest in that regard. In the JLC there are almost two paralel courses going - the 1st is the common weekdays afternoon lectures which requires lecturers as mentioned but we also have a wired Saturday night meetings tradition going on which allows those who can't come to the lecture to enjoy the community atmosphere and participate in other activities. I guess theses Saturday night meetings are much like the Tapuz forum meetings and naturaly it does not require lecturers and relay mostly on some sort of community. Previous new LUGs did not have a LUG within about 100 kilometers from them. BIUX will have Telux in the same city. Will there be enough people who want to come to BIUX? Or will the people who come to Telux just come sometimes here and sometimes there, thus reducing the number of people in each lecture? A minimal number of people is required in a lecture, otherwise the lecturer feels cheated - the lecturer has travelled for some time, wasting money and time, and nobody (or very few people) want to listen to him/her. To be honest we had two lectures canceled in the JLC due to lack of audiance and despite being far from otehr LUGS and indeed it was no fun, not for the lecturers and not for me. I guess the secret is to keep going, FOSS is gaining more interest with every year/month/week and consistent LUG activity will pay sooner or later. Anyway, back to the point I raised before, I hope letting the activists choose where the budget they get goes will let them come up with creative ideas and solutions that will finnaly push FOSS, in general, forward. Dotan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period
Dotan, I support your ideas and think this is the right way to build a good frame of work. As I mentioned in a reply to Shlomi's mail(which was practically ignored): Is there any intention from the Amuta/Vaad to proceed promoting each club continuing activities ?! In Bar-Ilan, we intend to continue with a bi-weekly lectures, from the start of the 2nd semester.(March-06) For that we need more resources (postcards, posters, CD's etc...) and of course lecturers - if anyone has any interesting subject in Linux/open source he want to present. Haim On 12/30/05, Dotan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Omer Zak wrote:At this opportunity I would like to ask the candidates for the nextHamakor Board elections to tell us exactly what they think should bedone by them in their role as Board members, and what should be done in their role as acting project leaders.פרטתי נקודות שבכוונתי לקדם בעבר ותוכל לקרוא עליהן ב-http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/discussions/12-2005/2954.html מספר שאלות הופנו אלי בעקבות הפרסום ונענו ברשימת הדיוור אבל אשמח לשאלותנוספות.אני לא רואה טעם לפרט דווקא את הדברים שאני אעשה היות ואני רואה את פעולתהועד הנכונה כשיתוף פעולה במסגרתו יש חלוקה של המטלות ולא כאוסף של פרטים המבצעים דברים באופן עצמאי שאינו תלוי ביתר חברי הועד.אני חושב, ודומני שהדברים כפי שהציגם אלי נופלים לא רחוק מתפיסה זו, שכחברועד תפקידי צריך להיות פחות ברמה של ניהול פרויקטים בפועל אלא יצירת שדהפורה בו יכולים מי שרוצים בכך להצטרף ולקדם פרויקט קיים או להתחיל בפרויקט חדש. חלק מהגורמים שאמורים ליצור את האווירה המתאימה כדי לעודד מעורבותתהיה התווית מסגרת תקציבית ברורה לתחומים השונים ומתן חופש מירבי להפנייתהתקציב במסגרת זו לפעילים באותו תחום או למי שיבחר לרכז את הפעילות בתחום האמור. אני חושב שמתן חופש שכזה יביא למצב בו כל אחד שבוחר להתמקד בנושאמסויים יכול לטבוע בו את חותם דרכו האישית להשגת המטרות באותו תחום ובכךינוצלו באופן טוב יותר כישורי הפעילים והיצירתיות שלהם ביזימת פעילויותשונות וזאת יד ביד עם הגברת המוטיבציה של הפעילים לקחת יוזמה ולהוציא דברים לפועל.כדאי לציין שגם הועד הנוכחי ביצע למעשה פיילוט של שיטה זו במסגרת ההכנותלסדרת מצטרפים ללינוקס, על ידי הקצאת תקציב הסדרה כולה לניהולו של אלון תוךבקרה מועטת על אופן השימוש בתקציב, אבל אני חושב כי שגיאות שונות נפלו במסגרת אותו פילוט וכי יש מקום לשיפור רב בישום.מעבר לאמור בכוונתי לשמור על קשר ישיר והדוק יותר עם הפעילים ומוביליהפרויקטים תוך ניהול דו שיח ממנו אני מקווה כי אוכל ללמוד טוב יותר עלהדרישות שעומדות בפניהם כך שאוכל להפנות אליהם את משאבי העמותה (תקציב ונוכחות אינטרנט) באופן מוצלח יותר ואולי אפילו אוכל להציע להם את רעיונותילקידום התחום בו הם יפעלו.פרט לשמירה על קשר עם פעילים במסגרות שכבר קיימות אני מתכוון להמשיך ולסקורמקרוב ובאופן אינטנסיבי את הפורומים ורשימות הדיוור ולעודד באופן אקטיבי יותר הוצאת יוזמות חדשות שעולות בהן אל הפועל.I would also like to see explanations whyexactly they must be elected as Hamakor Board members in order to pushforward those projects. אין כל _הכרח_ לבחור בי אבל אם אבחר אשמח למלא את התפקיד בהתאם להתוויותשצוינו.I am asking those questions in my role as an Hamakor member with fullvoting right, who wants to exercise his voting right in a wise way. --- Omerכדי לאמן את יכולת ההצבעה שלך יהיה צורך בקביעת מועד לאסיפה בה יתקימובחירות. למיטב ידיעתי לא פורסם מועד כזה.דרך אגב קראתי את רשימת המטלות שציינת כי חבר ועד צריך למלא אבל לא ראיתיאת תשובתך לשאלתו של אלי אם יש לגזור מהן כי בכוונתך להתמודד על מקום בועד. אם תבחר להתמודד הדבר יהיה כמובן מבורך ואני מקווה שריבוי מתמודדים ימריץאחרים להציע את מועמדותם גם כן.דותן-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haim Tzadokhttp://www.cs.biu.ac.il/biux
Re: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Omer Zak wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:15:21 +0200 From: Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HaMakor discussions@hamakor.org.il Subject: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period After the fire, sulphur and brimstone of previous weeks, the mailing list became very quiet. So quiet that I decided to test the waters and ensure that I was not unsubscribed from it by mistake. --- Omer As you recall, the mailing list has an archive. No need for an active test when you got a passive one. Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://ladypine.org/ http://haifux.org/~ladypine/ ICQ: 348759096 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period
On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 23:31 +0200, Orna Agmon wrote: On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Omer Zak wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:15:21 +0200 From: Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HaMakor discussions@hamakor.org.il Subject: [TEST] Test mailing list subscription status after a quiet period After the fire, sulphur and brimstone of previous weeks, the mailing list became very quiet. So quiet that I decided to test the waters and ensure that I was not unsubscribed from it by mistake. --- Omer As you recall, the mailing list has an archive. No need for an active test when you got a passive one. ... unless both my subscription and the archive got broken simultaneously. However (if to answer Shachar's immortal replica Well, what were the results?), it appears that both my subscription and the archive are working properly. - = - = - = - = - = - At this opportunity I would like to ask the candidates for the next Hamakor Board elections to tell us exactly what they think should be done by them in their role as Board members, and what should be done in their role as acting project leaders. If they have project ideas, I would also like to see explanations why exactly they must be elected as Hamakor Board members in order to push forward those projects. I am asking those questions in my role as an Hamakor member with full voting right, who wants to exercise his voting right in a wise way. --- Omer -- My Commodore 64 is suffering from slowness and insufficiency of memory; and its display device is grievously short of pixels. Can anyone help? My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
