Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On 01/26/2015 01:27 PM, Jannis Leidel wrote: On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:03, Marc Abramowitz wrote: Actually, they do: https://twitter.com/ThePyPA But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every time something worthy happens. Currently this is a one man operation that could probably be hooked up with a RSS feed to be honest. So not something that you should rely on for anything important. But I'm +1 on pypa-announce, so I just created it over here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pypa-announce Jannis I think it's important that the twitter account be used for to promote announcements on pypa-announce. Twitter can be shared/retweeted much easier and you are going to see a better spreading of messages that way. That was why I suggested we figure out a way to link the list to the twitter account automatically. Who "owns" the twitter account? Are they ok with having pypa announcements show up there? *Randy Syring* Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner /"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On Mon Jan 26 2015 at 1:29:50 PM Jannis Leidel wrote: > > > On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:03, Marc Abramowitz wrote: > > > > Actually, they do: > > > > https://twitter.com/ThePyPA > > > > But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every > time something worthy happens. > > Currently this is a one man operation that could probably be hooked up > with a RSS feed to be honest. So not something that you should rely on for > anything important. > > But I'm +1 on pypa-announce, so I just created it over here: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pypa-announce > > So is that it then and this is where it's going to live and I just go and subscribe, or is more of a discussion gong to happen on pypa-dev and there will be some announcement email over here when this is official? -Brett > Jannis > > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jerdonek < > chris.jerdo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring > wrote: > > > I'd like to pick up a conversation that was happening on another > thread: > > > > > > I've only been on this list for about a year. This PEP (and others > > > like it) has been in motion for quite a while. I think the blog would > > > miss far more people than the mailing list would and I'm not sure I > > > agree with "how quickly things change". There doesn't seem to be much > > > content for the blog and it seems like something that would just > > > become neglected. What topics do you really think would be better > > > suited for a blog post than a message to here and related announcement > > > lists? > > > > > > The blog posts could automatically get copied over to > > > Twitter and mailing lists using e.g. IFTTT, and it would > > > be possible to subscribe using RSS/Atom feeds. > > > > > > The advantage of a blog is having news entries persist and be > > > easy to find, while at the same time simplifying the whole > > > publishing process. > > > > > > Anyway, just a suggestion. > > > > > > > > > pypa.io also says: > > > > > > They host projects on github and bitbucket, and discuss issues on the > > > pypa-dev and distutils-sig mailing lists. > > > > > > > > > I think the issue with the current mailing lists is one of > signal-to-noise > > > ratio. Let me give you a little background: > > > > > > I maintain a small number of pypi published packages. I'm very > interested > > > in using best practices and keeping up with the more significant > changes in > > > the Python packaging ecosystem. I joined the distutils-sig list to > stay > > > informed. > > > > > > However, the more detailed discussions that happen on the > distutils-sig list > > > are not of much value to me. I know they are important and I very much > > > appreciate those who are pushing things forward, it's just too much > detail > > > for my context. > > > > > > So, I'm on the distituls-sig list, but there is a lot of "noise" for > me and > > > not much "signal." I would rather be a part of some channel for > receiving > > > announcements that relate to the broader community of those who > maintain & > > > release packages and need to stay abreast of python packing ecosystem > & best > > > practice changes. > > > > > > Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce > mailing > > > list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. > > > > Just to clarify, PyPA doesn't have a Twitter account yet, right? > > > > --Chris > > ___ > > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > > > > ___ > > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > > ___ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On 27 January 2015 at 05:12, Jannis Leidel wrote: >> Who "owns" the twitter account? Are they ok with having pypa announcements >> show up there? > > I do, and yeah, I'm okay for it to show up there. I'll set up a feed2twitter > thing. I asked around a few months ago when I registered it if others in the > PyPA team want access to it for the occasional manual announcement, but I > agree that having a mailing list may be less controversial for the receiving > parties. I didn't get many positive responses from the others anyway :) Thanks for tackling this folks. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On 01/26/2015 02:12 PM, Jannis Leidel wrote: On 26 Jan 2015, at 20:08, Randy Syring wrote: On 01/26/2015 01:27 PM, Jannis Leidel wrote: On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:03, Marc Abramowitz wrote: Actually, they do: https://twitter.com/ThePyPA But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every time something worthy happens. Currently this is a one man operation that could probably be hooked up with a RSS feed to be honest. So not something that you should rely on for anything important. But I'm +1 on pypa-announce, so I just created it over here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pypa-announce Jannis I think it's important that the twitter account be used for to promote announcements on pypa-announce. Twitter can be shared/retweeted much easier and you are going to see a better spreading of messages that way. That was why I suggested we figure out a way to link the list to the twitter account automatically. Who "owns" the twitter account? Are they ok with having pypa announcements show up there? I do, and yeah, I'm okay for it to show up there. I'll set up a feed2twitter thing. I asked around a few months ago when I registered it if others in the PyPA team want access to it for the occasional manual announcement, but I agree that having a mailing list may be less controversial for the receiving parties. I didn't get many positive responses from the others anyway :) Jannis It seems this discussion might now be more appropriate on the pypa-dev list. I'll pick it up with you there. *Randy Syring* Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner /"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
> On 26 Jan 2015, at 20:08, Randy Syring wrote: > > On 01/26/2015 01:27 PM, Jannis Leidel wrote: >>> On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:03, Marc Abramowitz >>> wrote: >>> >>> Actually, they do: >>> >>> >>> https://twitter.com/ThePyPA >>> >>> >>> But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every time >>> something worthy happens. >>> >> Currently this is a one man operation that could probably be hooked up with >> a RSS feed to be honest. So not something that you should rely on for >> anything important. >> >> But I'm +1 on pypa-announce, so I just created it over here: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pypa-announce >> >> >> Jannis >> > > I think it's important that the twitter account be used for to promote > announcements on pypa-announce. Twitter can be shared/retweeted much easier > and you are going to see a better spreading of messages that way. That was > why I suggested we figure out a way to link the list to the twitter account > automatically. > > Who "owns" the twitter account? Are they ok with having pypa announcements > show up there? I do, and yeah, I'm okay for it to show up there. I'll set up a feed2twitter thing. I asked around a few months ago when I registered it if others in the PyPA team want access to it for the occasional manual announcement, but I agree that having a mailing list may be less controversial for the receiving parties. I didn't get many positive responses from the others anyway :) Jannis ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
> On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:03, Marc Abramowitz wrote: > > Actually, they do: > > https://twitter.com/ThePyPA > > But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every time > something worthy happens. Currently this is a one man operation that could probably be hooked up with a RSS feed to be honest. So not something that you should rely on for anything important. But I'm +1 on pypa-announce, so I just created it over here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pypa-announce Jannis > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jerdonek > wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring wrote: > > I'd like to pick up a conversation that was happening on another thread: > > > > I've only been on this list for about a year. This PEP (and others > > like it) has been in motion for quite a while. I think the blog would > > miss far more people than the mailing list would and I'm not sure I > > agree with "how quickly things change". There doesn't seem to be much > > content for the blog and it seems like something that would just > > become neglected. What topics do you really think would be better > > suited for a blog post than a message to here and related announcement > > lists? > > > > The blog posts could automatically get copied over to > > Twitter and mailing lists using e.g. IFTTT, and it would > > be possible to subscribe using RSS/Atom feeds. > > > > The advantage of a blog is having news entries persist and be > > easy to find, while at the same time simplifying the whole > > publishing process. > > > > Anyway, just a suggestion. > > > > > > pypa.io also says: > > > > They host projects on github and bitbucket, and discuss issues on the > > pypa-dev and distutils-sig mailing lists. > > > > > > I think the issue with the current mailing lists is one of signal-to-noise > > ratio. Let me give you a little background: > > > > I maintain a small number of pypi published packages. I'm very interested > > in using best practices and keeping up with the more significant changes in > > the Python packaging ecosystem. I joined the distutils-sig list to stay > > informed. > > > > However, the more detailed discussions that happen on the distutils-sig list > > are not of much value to me. I know they are important and I very much > > appreciate those who are pushing things forward, it's just too much detail > > for my context. > > > > So, I'm on the distituls-sig list, but there is a lot of "noise" for me and > > not much "signal." I would rather be a part of some channel for receiving > > announcements that relate to the broader community of those who maintain & > > release packages and need to stay abreast of python packing ecosystem & best > > practice changes. > > > > Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce mailing > > list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. > > Just to clarify, PyPA doesn't have a Twitter account yet, right? > > --Chris > ___ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > > ___ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On 01/26/2015 12:14 PM, Marcus Smith wrote: +1 to a pypa-announce list. I personally care more about the list than twitter. at this point, probably need to post the idea to pypa-dev, and get a few +1's there, and get someone to agree to execute on the idea. there's a few people there that don't monitor distutils-sig Marcus Thanks for the pointer. I put a post out on pypa-dev. Randy ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
+1 to a pypa-announce list. I personally care more about the list than twitter. at this point, probably need to post the idea to pypa-dev, and get a few +1's there, and get someone to agree to execute on the idea. there's a few people there that don't monitor distutils-sig Marcus On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Marc Abramowitz wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring wrote: > > > > Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce > mailing list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. Then, > announcements that pertain to the broader Python community would be cross > posted to the distutils-sig and packaging-announce (and therefore twitter). > > +1 to this. > > I think the key observation here is that there are two audiences when it > comes to packaging: > > 1. A large audience of folks who are package authors and maintainers, who > want to know about the latest developments and best practices. > > 2. The smaller audience of folks who know packaging well and are working > hard to improve it and having discussions among themselves on how to best > move things forward. > > I don't know of an information channel that serves #1 well. The ones I > know of try to handle both. I think having different channels for each > group will improve the experience for both groups. > > Randy, I'm willing to help if you want. > > Marc > ___ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On 01/26/2015 06:54 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: I also had a look at the current contents of the python-announce list, and I suspect even that would be a bit high volume if we had significant PyPI and core packaging toolchain announcements intermingled with the other existing announcements related to conferences and various popular Python packages. FWIW, I did the same and ended up where you did. So a packaging toolchain specific changelog/announcement channel likely makes sense. Based on another of Nick's posts, it seems like this mailing list would want to include "significant" news/announcements for the following areas: * PyPI-the-service * PyPI-the-software-project * PyPA-the-ecosystem IMO, these areas are often linked and someone who is interested in one of them is likely interested in the others or, at least, not very annoyed at the prospect of seeing announcements related to them. So, setting up the list and the twitter connection is likely pretty easy. However, it won't work unless those who are doing the work in these areas are willing to "flag" the changes happening that need to be communicated on the packaging-announce list. Who would those people be and do they like this idea enough to be willing to support it? Is there some kind of PyPA board or committee that would need to be a part of this decision? *Randy Syring* Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner /"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On 26 January 2015 at 06:33, Marc Abramowitz wrote: > >> On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring wrote: >> >> Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce mailing >> list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. Then, >> announcements that pertain to the broader Python community would be cross >> posted to the distutils-sig and packaging-announce (and therefore twitter). > > +1 to this. > > I think the key observation here is that there are two audiences when it > comes to packaging: > > 1. A large audience of folks who are package authors and maintainers, who > want to know about the latest developments and best practices. > > 2. The smaller audience of folks who know packaging well and are working hard > to improve it and having discussions among themselves on how to best move > things forward. > > I don't know of an information channel that serves #1 well. The ones I know > of try to handle both. I think having different channels for each group will > improve the experience for both groups. I also had a look at the current contents of the python-announce list, and I suspect even that would be a bit high volume if we had significant PyPI and core packaging toolchain announcements intermingled with the other existing announcements related to conferences and various popular Python packages. So a packaging toolchain specific changelog/announcement channel likely makes sense. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
Actually, they do: https://twitter.com/ThePyPA But I don't know if they are in the habit of thinking to use it every time something worthy happens. On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring > wrote: > > I'd like to pick up a conversation that was happening on another thread: > > > > I've only been on this list for about a year. This PEP (and others > > like it) has been in motion for quite a while. I think the blog would > > miss far more people than the mailing list would and I'm not sure I > > agree with "how quickly things change". There doesn't seem to be much > > content for the blog and it seems like something that would just > > become neglected. What topics do you really think would be better > > suited for a blog post than a message to here and related announcement > > lists? > > > > The blog posts could automatically get copied over to > > Twitter and mailing lists using e.g. IFTTT, and it would > > be possible to subscribe using RSS/Atom feeds. > > > > The advantage of a blog is having news entries persist and be > > easy to find, while at the same time simplifying the whole > > publishing process. > > > > Anyway, just a suggestion. > > > > > > pypa.io also says: > > > > They host projects on github and bitbucket, and discuss issues on the > > pypa-dev and distutils-sig mailing lists. > > > > > > I think the issue with the current mailing lists is one of > signal-to-noise > > ratio. Let me give you a little background: > > > > I maintain a small number of pypi published packages. I'm very > interested > > in using best practices and keeping up with the more significant changes > in > > the Python packaging ecosystem. I joined the distutils-sig list to stay > > informed. > > > > However, the more detailed discussions that happen on the distutils-sig > list > > are not of much value to me. I know they are important and I very much > > appreciate those who are pushing things forward, it's just too much > detail > > for my context. > > > > So, I'm on the distituls-sig list, but there is a lot of "noise" for me > and > > not much "signal." I would rather be a part of some channel for > receiving > > announcements that relate to the broader community of those who maintain > & > > release packages and need to stay abreast of python packing ecosystem & > best > > practice changes. > > > > Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce > mailing > > list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. > > Just to clarify, PyPA doesn't have a Twitter account yet, right? > > --Chris > ___ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring wrote: > > Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce mailing > list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. Then, announcements > that pertain to the broader Python community would be cross posted to the > distutils-sig and packaging-announce (and therefore twitter). +1 to this. I think the key observation here is that there are two audiences when it comes to packaging: 1. A large audience of folks who are package authors and maintainers, who want to know about the latest developments and best practices. 2. The smaller audience of folks who know packaging well and are working hard to improve it and having discussions among themselves on how to best move things forward. I don't know of an information channel that serves #1 well. The ones I know of try to handle both. I think having different channels for each group will improve the experience for both groups. Randy, I'm willing to help if you want. Marc ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
Maybe those announcements could simply/also go to https://www.python.org/blogs/ ? On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Randy Syring wrote: > On 01/25/2015 02:52 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > > Just to clarify, PyPA doesn't have a Twitter account yet, right? --Chris > > > They do: https://twitter.com/thepypa > > > *Randy Syring* > Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner > > > *"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his > soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)* > > > ___ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > > ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On 01/25/2015 02:52 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: Just to clarify, PyPA doesn't have a Twitter account yet, right? --Chris They do: https://twitter.com/thepypa *Randy Syring* Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner /"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
Re: [Distutils] PyPA Announcements & Twitter
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Randy Syring wrote: > I'd like to pick up a conversation that was happening on another thread: > > I've only been on this list for about a year. This PEP (and others > like it) has been in motion for quite a while. I think the blog would > miss far more people than the mailing list would and I'm not sure I > agree with "how quickly things change". There doesn't seem to be much > content for the blog and it seems like something that would just > become neglected. What topics do you really think would be better > suited for a blog post than a message to here and related announcement > lists? > > The blog posts could automatically get copied over to > Twitter and mailing lists using e.g. IFTTT, and it would > be possible to subscribe using RSS/Atom feeds. > > The advantage of a blog is having news entries persist and be > easy to find, while at the same time simplifying the whole > publishing process. > > Anyway, just a suggestion. > > > pypa.io also says: > > They host projects on github and bitbucket, and discuss issues on the > pypa-dev and distutils-sig mailing lists. > > > I think the issue with the current mailing lists is one of signal-to-noise > ratio. Let me give you a little background: > > I maintain a small number of pypi published packages. I'm very interested > in using best practices and keeping up with the more significant changes in > the Python packaging ecosystem. I joined the distutils-sig list to stay > informed. > > However, the more detailed discussions that happen on the distutils-sig list > are not of much value to me. I know they are important and I very much > appreciate those who are pushing things forward, it's just too much detail > for my context. > > So, I'm on the distituls-sig list, but there is a lot of "noise" for me and > not much "signal." I would rather be a part of some channel for receiving > announcements that relate to the broader community of those who maintain & > release packages and need to stay abreast of python packing ecosystem & best > practice changes. > > Therefore, I'd like to propose something like a packaging-announce mailing > list. This could be linked to the PyPA Twitter account. Just to clarify, PyPA doesn't have a Twitter account yet, right? --Chris ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
