I have to ask a question here. Why is there such reticence regarding
App Engine? It would
seem to me that App Engine has been a feather in the cap for Django. A
lot of people don't know Django and at a previous job, I was able to
say that "Google chose django" for App Engine to help validate my use
of it.
I just glanced at the app engine project page and there is even an
article about porting your apps to run in any standard Django
environment.
It may be coincidental, but I thought that a regularized release
schedule (rather than just "use SVN") seemed to come about after the
App Engine announcement.
Has App Engine created a noticeable increase in developers interested
in using Django?
If so, why the seeming lack of excitement around App Engine? Are
google engineers not involved in the community?
Sorry to be posing so many questions, but I've found this aspect of
Django development particularly puzzling.
-Dave
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Waldemar Kornewald
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>> On 6 Feb., 11:34, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>>> I would suggest to you that the broader project of "modifying the
>>> django.db.models interface to be fully independent of SQL" is much
>>> more likely to get core developer support. We (the Django core) will
>>> be very receptive to any suggestions on how django.db.models needs to
>>> be modified in order to support non-SQL backends -- especially if you
>>> can demonstrate that your suggestions aren't just theoretical, but are
>>> clearly required by an actual backend implementation.
>>
>> Agreed, making models SQL-independent is the most important (and most
>> complicated) part. Do the people secretly working on App Engine
>> integration try to implement that part?
>
> I haven't seen their code, so I can't say for certain, but I imagine
> that they have a small collection of patches for the main Django tree
> that enables their backend to be independent of SQL.
>
>>> If you are maintaining an external project handling AppEngine support
>>> for Django, then that project's wiki is the right place for
>>> documentation about AppEngine support within Django. While AppEngine
>>> support isn't part of Django's core, Django's wiki isn't the right
>>> place to be providing AppEngine specific instructions - especially if
>>> the first instruction is "install this third party project that isn't
>>> formally affiliated with the Django project at this time".
>>
>> I can't find anything like that in my wiki page. It describes what is
>> necessary for a completely new port that has practically nothing to do
>> with app-engine-patch apart from being able to reuse some of the
>> existing code. It could be useful for any porting effort. If I keep it
>> in my wiki nobody else can work on that page. It's almost useless that
>> way.
>
> Ok - sounds like they could be some good contributions. I just wanted
> to make sure you were not planning on making the Django wiki the home
> of the "how to use app-engine-patch" documentation.
>
> Yours,
> Russ Magee %-)
>
> >
>
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