Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
Thanks for the tips Ian Building this search solution is the next job on my every growing list, I think I'll blog it as it'll be a really good example of someone who is starting from the beggining with very little knowledge :-) On 03/10/2007, Ian Holsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matt Davies wrote: > > Hi Ian > > > > > > I'm not very clued up with Java so solr, although I've built it to > > work on 3 sites now with django, they're still single indexes. We've > > got over 200 sites in house that we're looking for a compelte search > > solution for. > > > > I think solr is definately the way to go, but as we're moving all our > > sites into django, then a one stop search application built in django > > to query all those sites would have been nice. Especially if someone > > else had written it :-) > > > > See, I'm lazy really, but I think I'm going to have to learn java as > > my boss is also a rails fan, so Sorl is looking like the most likely > > candidate. > > > > I love it by the way, it's fab! > > > > > you don't need to learn java, just how to install tomcat. > configuring solr is a matter of editing a single XML file for the most > part, and your done. > sure, you can go under the covers and add some advanced functionality if > you want to, and you would need to know java to do that, but for the > majority of people its a black box, just like a mysql database is. > > the client api (in python) means you can still use django for everything > else. > > regards > Ian > > ps. the facet search is a kicker, and once you get the hang of it, it > can replace a database query for TONs of things. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
Matt Davies wrote: > Hi Ian > > > I'm not very clued up with Java so solr, although I've built it to > work on 3 sites now with django, they're still single indexes. We've > got over 200 sites in house that we're looking for a compelte search > solution for. > > I think solr is definately the way to go, but as we're moving all our > sites into django, then a one stop search application built in django > to query all those sites would have been nice. Especially if someone > else had written it :-) > > See, I'm lazy really, but I think I'm going to have to learn java as > my boss is also a rails fan, so Sorl is looking like the most likely > candidate. > > I love it by the way, it's fab! > > you don't need to learn java, just how to install tomcat. configuring solr is a matter of editing a single XML file for the most part, and your done. sure, you can go under the covers and add some advanced functionality if you want to, and you would need to know java to do that, but for the majority of people its a black box, just like a mysql database is. the client api (in python) means you can still use django for everything else. regards Ian ps. the facet search is a kicker, and once you get the hang of it, it can replace a database query for TONs of things. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
Hi Ian BTW, this is different to what shabda was proposing, which was doing all-the-web type searches Ahh, I got you. I'm not very clued up with Java so solr, although I've built it to work on 3 sites now with django, they're still single indexes. We've got over 200 sites in house that we're looking for a compelte search solution for. I think solr is definately the way to go, but as we're moving all our sites into django, then a one stop search application built in django to query all those sites would have been nice. Especially if someone else had written it :-) See, I'm lazy really, but I think I'm going to have to learn java as my boss is also a rails fan, so Sorl is looking like the most likely candidate. I love it by the way, it's fab! On 03/10/2007, Ian Holsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matt Davies wrote: > > yes please shabda > > > > we're currenlty moving away from webglimpse and into solr for our > > search engine technology, but something inside django itself would be > > really useful. > > > > > While I live and breathe solr (we use it VERY heavily @ $WORK), I'm not > sure what you would be adding that the solr python client API doesn't > give you. > I would recommend using https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-216 > it's pretty simple to use. > > BTW, this is different to what shabda was proposing, which was doing > all-the-web type searches > > regards > Ian > > > Especially if you could query other django appilcations from within > > one application. > > > > ooh, now dat be tasty burgers > > > > On 01/10/2007, shabda.raaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> It looks to me that a api to get web search functionality in Django > >> would be good idea. For example, I generally want to keep track of the > >> pages linking to my sites. Similarly being able to search from inside > >> of django might be useful in many cases. > >> Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework? I am > >> willing to code this. But before doing that, I just want to make sure > >> it would be useful to people :) > >> (I just plan to add convinient api for webservices found at > >> http://developer.yahoo.com/search/ ) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
Matt Davies wrote: > yes please shabda > > we're currenlty moving away from webglimpse and into solr for our > search engine technology, but something inside django itself would be > really useful. > > While I live and breathe solr (we use it VERY heavily @ $WORK), I'm not sure what you would be adding that the solr python client API doesn't give you. I would recommend using https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-216 it's pretty simple to use. BTW, this is different to what shabda was proposing, which was doing all-the-web type searches regards Ian > Especially if you could query other django appilcations from within > one application. > > ooh, now dat be tasty burgers > > On 01/10/2007, shabda.raaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It looks to me that a api to get web search functionality in Django >> would be good idea. For example, I generally want to keep track of the >> pages linking to my sites. Similarly being able to search from inside >> of django might be useful in many cases. >> Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework? I am >> willing to code this. But before doing that, I just want to make sure >> it would be useful to people :) >> (I just plan to add convinient api for webservices found at >> http://developer.yahoo.com/search/ ) >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
On Oct 2, 12:30 am, "shabda.raaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It looks to me that a api to get web search functionality in Django > would be good idea. Yes, a full-text search functionality is really cool and there has been considerable effort that has been put into this. Check out http://code.google.com/p/django-sphinx/ http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/searchengine http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/TextIndexingAbstractionLayer > (I just plan to add convinient api for webservices found at > http://developer.yahoo.com/search/ ) Django has been a neutral web-framework without showing bias to any database, external apps etc. To use the Yahoo Web API's and then incorporate them as contrib apps would not be recommended. I would agree with Russell Keith-Magee on Django's philosophy to accept contrib apps. Cheers Thejaswi Puthraya --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
On 10/2/07, shabda.raaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework? I am > willing to code this. But before doing that, I just want to make sure > it would be useful to people :) It could be. It depends on exactly what it does, and how well it does it. The philosophy we are currently taking to contrib apps is this: If you think you have a great idea for a contrib app, start a google code project (or similar public repository) as a testbed for your ideas. Develop your contribution, with documentation and tests. Try to make your application as standalone as possible. However, if you need to make modifications to Django itself to make your application work, try to come up with a generic interface that could be useful to other application developers, and shepard that change into the Django trunk. A good example of this approach is the recently added user-contributed management commands, which will benefit all user-contributed applications. If your project becomes mature, offers some features that are generally useful, has a healthy following, a history of being regularly updated, and integrates well with the core feature set of Django, it may be added as a contrib app at some time in the future. Until that time, it should be useful as an external application by anybody that finds it useful. Django-registration [1] and django-openid [2] are good examples of how to run your project. They are a standalone Django applications for handling user account registration and OpenID logins, respectively. Both serve as a good example of how to set up your project if you wanted to make it a contrib app in the future. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if django-registration _doesn't_ become a contrib app - it encodes some specific business logic that may not be suitable for everyone (it's a good app regardless - it's just a question of whether it should be part of the Django core). [1] http://code.google.com/p/django-registration [2] http://code.google.com/p/django-openid Yours, Russ Magee %-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
The contrib apps are just normal django apps that happen to be included with the core. Generally, developers simply develop them as a third party app, and if the demand is there and the core devs like/approve it, the app gets added as a contrib app. That decision usuualy only happens after the app exists and is proven. So my suggestion would be to just write your search app as a normal django app and see how things go from there. Most devs use google code (search the existing projects for lots of examples) to track their projects, but other similar systems would work as well. On 10/1/07, shabda.raaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It looks to me that a api to get web search functionality in Django > would be good idea. For example, I generally want to keep track of the > pages linking to my sites. Similarly being able to search from inside > of django might be useful in many cases. > Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework? I am > willing to code this. But before doing that, I just want to make sure > it would be useful to people :) > (I just plan to add convinient api for webservices found at > http://developer.yahoo.com/search/ ) > > > > > -- Waylan Limberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
yes please shabda we're currenlty moving away from webglimpse and into solr for our search engine technology, but something inside django itself would be really useful. Especially if you could query other django appilcations from within one application. ooh, now dat be tasty burgers On 01/10/2007, shabda.raaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It looks to me that a api to get web search functionality in Django > would be good idea. For example, I generally want to keep track of the > pages linking to my sites. Similarly being able to search from inside > of django might be useful in many cases. > Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework? I am > willing to code this. But before doing that, I just want to make sure > it would be useful to people :) > (I just plan to add convinient api for webservices found at > http://developer.yahoo.com/search/ ) > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework?
It looks to me that a api to get web search functionality in Django would be good idea. For example, I generally want to keep track of the pages linking to my sites. Similarly being able to search from inside of django might be useful in many cases. Would a web search be a good addition to the contribs framework? I am willing to code this. But before doing that, I just want to make sure it would be useful to people :) (I just plan to add convinient api for webservices found at http://developer.yahoo.com/search/ ) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
