Re: Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-21 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Russell Keith-Magee
 wrote:
> In the case of Real-time, the answer is maybe. Serving real-time data
> will probably require some modifications to core -- the mechanisms
> used to serve real-time data are different to traditional 'static
> page' mechanisms.

I guess in this context by 'real-time' you mean something
not-exactly-http, like long polling, comet or websockets.

I agree that since plain AJAX is (from the point of view of the
server) just non-necesarily-html but totally http, the Django core
needs no modification, just some clever view handling.

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Re: Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-20 Thread Russell Keith-Magee 
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Kurt Pruhs  wrote:
> @Russell
> I understand what you are saying, as far as making AJAX a part of Django's
> core. It's a server-side framework. On the other hand, I was just in D.C.
> for DjangoCon and listened to Adrian Holovaty talk about making Django
> deliver real-time content. Did I misunderstand what he was saying? As far as
> I know, a JavaScript solution is the most viable for delivering real-time
> content to browsers. Is there another way to do this? Just curious what your
> thoughts are.

Put it this way - the question you need to answer is:

"Could I implement this externally, without making any changes to
Django's core?"

In the case of AJAX, the answer is definitely yes. You can write an
AJAX-compatible Django view entirely in user space. It requires no
modifications to Django itself. If someone wants to write a killer
AJAX library for Django, they should do so -- there's no reason it
needs to be baked into Django's core.

In the case of Real-time, the answer is maybe. Serving real-time data
will probably require some modifications to core -- the mechanisms
used to serve real-time data are different to traditional 'static
page' mechanisms. So yes, if we want to provide a solution for
real-time, it will probably mean making some changes to core. And,
since real-time data needs a front-end component, this may mean
including a front-end component.

That said, my overwhelming preference would be to follow up on Geoff
Schmidt's DjangoCon suggestion and concentrate on formalising a data
layer protocol for this sort of thing. This way, Django can maintain
it's server-side focus, and let those with a client-side focus
concentrate on their specialties. However, pragmatism may dictate that
this isn't possible - at least, not initially - because as Geoff
indicated, the protocol doesn't actually exist yet.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

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Re: Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-20 Thread Kurt Pruhs 
@Russell
I understand what you are saying, as far as making AJAX a part of Django's 
core. It's a server-side framework. On the other hand, I was just in D.C. 
for DjangoCon and listened to Adrian Holovaty talk about making Django 
deliver real-time content. Did I misunderstand what he was saying? As far 
as I know, a JavaScript solution is the most viable for delivering 
real-time content to browsers. Is there another way to do this? Just 
curious what your thoughts are.

Kurt



On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:09:42 PM UTC-6, Russell Keith-Magee 
wrote:
>
> … and, you can also see on that ticket that the chance of this getting 
> into Django itself is *very low*. 
>
> Django is, by design, a server side framework. AJAX is a primarily 
> client-side concern, with some light server-side data requirements. 
> There's absolutely no need for this to be tightly bound to Django's 
> core. If you want a more detailed explanation of why, I've spoken on 
> the topic at several conferences; most recently at PyCon AU: 
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFh40R5KcV8 
>
> Yours, 
> Russ Magee %-) 
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Faraz Masood Khan 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > Yes Kurt, you can vote for this feature over here: 
> > https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/18981 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:02:44 PM UTC+5, Faraz Masood Khan 
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Easiest way to do Ajax in Django: 
> >> http://codestand.feedbook.org/2012/09/django-unobtrusive-ajax.html 
> >> 
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Re: Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-19 Thread Russell Keith-Magee 
… and, you can also see on that ticket that the chance of this getting
into Django itself is *very low*.

Django is, by design, a server side framework. AJAX is a primarily
client-side concern, with some light server-side data requirements.
There's absolutely no need for this to be tightly bound to Django's
core. If you want a more detailed explanation of why, I've spoken on
the topic at several conferences; most recently at PyCon AU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFh40R5KcV8

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Faraz Masood Khan  wrote:
> Yes Kurt, you can vote for this feature over here:
> https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/18981
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:02:44 PM UTC+5, Faraz Masood Khan wrote:
>>
>> Easiest way to do Ajax in Django:
>> http://codestand.feedbook.org/2012/09/django-unobtrusive-ajax.html
>>
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Re: Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-19 Thread Faraz Masood Khan 
Yes Kurt, you can vote for this feature over here:  
https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/18981 

On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:02:44 PM UTC+5, Faraz Masood Khan wrote:
>
> Easiest way to do Ajax in Django: 
> http://codestand.feedbook.org/2012/09/django-unobtrusive-ajax.html
>
>

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Re: Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-19 Thread Kurt Pruhs 
Great idea. 
It looks like you have a legitimate method for "baking" AJAX into the 
Django framework. I will be starting a new Django project in October. I 
will try to integrate this.

On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:02:44 AM UTC-6, Faraz Masood Khan wrote:
>
> Easiest way to do Ajax in Django: 
> http://codestand.feedbook.org/2012/09/django-unobtrusive-ajax.html
>
>

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Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-19 Thread Faraz Masood Khan 
Easiest way to do Ajax in 
Django: http://codestand.feedbook.org/2012/09/django-unobtrusive-ajax.html

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Django Unobtrusive Ajax

2012-09-18 Thread Faraz Masood Khan 
I think it is the easiest way to do Ajax in 
Djangovia 
attributes: 
http://codestand.feedbook.org/2012/09/django-unobtrusive-ajax.html 

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