RE: 500.shtml

2008-08-26 Thread Emily Rodgers

Sorry, I am not sure I can help you wrt cookies :(

I think you need to get the logs some how.

> -Original Message-
> From: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo 
> Zacarias Afonso
> Sent: 26 August 2008 12:49
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> 
> 
> Hi Emily,
> 
> Thanks for your help. I'll ask my service provider to provide 
> me with a better logging system, but I think the problem I'm 
> facing is something related with cookies.  When the admin 
> interface tries to test the browser to check if it accepts 
> cookie, the dispatch.fgci process just dies. Have you face 
> something like that before?
> Ronaldo.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:36 AM, Emily Rodgers 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Ronaldo,
> >
> > I really think that your providers can give you more help 
> than we can 
> > at the moment because they have clearly got some scripts in 
> place to 
> > start / stop the webserver. I would ask them if there is an 
> errorlog 
> > file for the webserver, and if not ask them if they can set one up. 
> > Trying to debug web apps without an error log is very 
> tedious and wastes a lot of time.
> >
> > Em
> >
> > 
> > From: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of James Matthews
> > Sent: 22 August 2008 22:00
> > To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> >
> > When i run on a shared provider i restart my server by 
> running touch 
> > /mywebdir/dispatch.fcgi
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Emily Rodgers 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ronaldo,
> >>
> >> It is not a python script, just a shell script that either runs 
> >> 'python manage.py runfcgi' with various options (the 
> errorlog being 
> >> one), or kills the django process if needed (I guess like you are 
> >> doing with "kill -HUP dispatch.pid").
> >>
> >> I think you need to speak to the person who set up your 
> webserver and 
> >> get them to specify an errorlog file, because it sounds like it is 
> >> just throwing an error. Or at least find out how they are starting 
> >> the webserver.
> >>
> >> Em
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo 
> >> > Zacarias Afonso
> >> > Sent: 22 August 2008 13:45
> >> > To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> >> > Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Emily,
> >> >
> >> > Well, in fact I don't start/stop/restart my webserver. As I am 
> >> > using a shared host, the company where I host my website 
> do those 
> >> > things for me.
> >> > When I do some modification to my site I only have to 
> issue a "kill 
> >> > -HUP dispatch.pid" command. Some thing that I notice is 
> that when I 
> >> > try to access the admin page, the dispach is killed (I 
> don't know 
> >> > why).
> >> > Can you send me the python script you have that log 
> things for you?
> >> >
> >> > ps) I don't know if that is the right way to deploy jdango, I'm 
> >> > just learning it.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much
> >> > Ronaldo.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Emily Rodgers 
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > How do you start / stop / restart your webserver? If you are 
> >> > > using fastcgi, you may not have it set up to give you 
> an error log.
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a script that starts / stops it, and I have
> >> > specified and error
> >> > > log for the django web server logs, and sent any errors
> >> > with my script
> >> > > commands to a file so that if it doesn't work I can see why:
> >> > >
> >> > > python ./manage.py runfcgi [...] errlog=/path/to/weblog >> 
> >> > > runfcgi_errors
> >> > > 2>&1
> >> > >
> >> > > Em
> >> > >
> >> > >> -Original Message-
> >> > >> From: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> >> > >> [mailto:[EMAIL P

Re: 500.shtml

2008-08-26 Thread Ronaldo Zacarias Afonso

Hi Emily,

Thanks for your help. I'll ask my service provider to provide me with
a better logging system, but I think the problem I'm facing is
something related with cookies.  When the admin interface tries to
test the browser to check if it accepts cookie, the dispatch.fgci
process just dies. Have you face something like that before?
Ronaldo.

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:36 AM, Emily Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Ronaldo,
>
> I really think that your providers can give you more help than we can at the
> moment because they have clearly got some scripts in place to start / stop
> the webserver. I would ask them if there is an errorlog file for the
> webserver, and if not ask them if they can set one up. Trying to debug web
> apps without an error log is very tedious and wastes a lot of time.
>
> Em
>
> 
> From: django-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of James Matthews
> Sent: 22 August 2008 22:00
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
>
> When i run on a shared provider i restart my server by running touch
> /mywebdir/dispatch.fcgi
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Emily Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ronaldo,
>>
>> It is not a python script, just a shell script that either runs 'python
>> manage.py runfcgi' with various options (the errorlog being one), or kills
>> the django process if needed (I guess like you are doing with "kill -HUP
>> dispatch.pid").
>>
>> I think you need to speak to the person who set up your webserver and get
>> them to specify an errorlog file, because it sounds like it is just
>> throwing
>> an error. Or at least find out how they are starting the webserver.
>>
>> Em
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: django-users@googlegroups.com
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo
>> > Zacarias Afonso
>> > Sent: 22 August 2008 13:45
>> > To: django-users@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: 500.shtml
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Emily,
>> >
>> > Well, in fact I don't start/stop/restart my webserver. As I
>> > am using a shared host, the company where I host my website
>> > do those things for me.
>> > When I do some modification to my site I only have to issue a
>> > "kill -HUP dispatch.pid" command. Some thing that I notice is
>> > that when I try to access the admin page, the dispach is
>> > killed (I don't know why).
>> > Can you send me the python script you have that log things for you?
>> >
>> > ps) I don't know if that is the right way to deploy jdango,
>> > I'm just learning it.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much
>> > Ronaldo.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Emily Rodgers
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > How do you start / stop / restart your webserver? If you are using
>> > > fastcgi, you may not have it set up to give you an error log.
>> > >
>> > > I have a script that starts / stops it, and I have
>> > specified and error
>> > > log for the django web server logs, and sent any errors
>> > with my script
>> > > commands to a file so that if it doesn't work I can see why:
>> > >
>> > > python ./manage.py runfcgi [...] errlog=/path/to/weblog >>
>> > > runfcgi_errors
>> > > 2>&1
>> > >
>> > > Em
>> > >
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: django-users@googlegroups.com
>> > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> > Ronaldo Z. Afonso
>> > >> Sent: 22 August 2008 01:29
>> > >> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
>> > >> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Erik,
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm using a shared host with fast-cgi ...
>> > >> I don´t know if I have a log ... I'll ask my hosting
>> > service provider.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 03:24 +0300, Erik Allik wrote:
>> > >> > Did you check the web server log? If you're using the built
>> > >> in server,
>> > >> > just look at the console output it produces. Because we
>> > >> can't help you
>> > >> > with the information you provided.
>> > >> >
>> > >>

RE: 500.shtml

2008-08-26 Thread Emily Rodgers
Hi Ronaldo,
 
I really think that your providers can give you more help than we can at the 
moment because they have clearly got some scripts in place to start / stop the 
webserver. I would ask them if there is an errorlog file for the webserver, and 
if not ask them if they can set one up. Trying to debug web apps without an 
error log is very tedious and wastes a lot of time.
 
Em




From: django-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of James Matthews
Sent: 22 August 2008 22:00
To: django-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 500.shtml


When i run on a shared provider i restart my server by running touch 
/mywebdir/dispatch.fcgi



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Emily Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



Hi Ronaldo,

It is not a python script, just a shell script that either runs 
'python
manage.py runfcgi' with various options (the errorlog being 
one), or kills
the django process if needed (I guess like you are doing with 
"kill -HUP
dispatch.pid").

I think you need to speak to the person who set up your 
webserver and get
them to specify an errorlog file, because it sounds like it is 
just throwing
an error. Or at least find out how they are starting the 
webserver.


Em

> -Original Message-
> From: django-users@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo

> Zacarias Afonso
> Sent: 22 August 2008 13:45
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
    > Subject: Re: 500.shtml
>
>
> Hi Emily,
>
> Well, in fact I don't start/stop/restart my webserver. As I
> am using a shared host, the company where I host my website
> do those things for me.
> When I do some modification to my site I only have to issue a
> "kill -HUP dispatch.pid" command. Some thing that I notice is
> that when I try to access the admin page, the dispach is
> killed (I don't know why).
> Can you send me the python script you have that log things 
for you?
>
> ps) I don't know if that is the right way to deploy jdango,
> I'm just learning it.
>
> Thank you very much
> Ronaldo.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Emily Rodgers
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > How do you start / stop / restart your webserver? If you 
are using
> > fastcgi, you may not have it set up to give you an error 
log.
> >
> > I have a script that starts / stops it, and I have
> specified and error
> > log for the django web server logs, and sent any errors
> with my script
> > commands to a file so that if it doesn't work I can see why:
> >
> > python ./manage.py runfcgi [...] errlog=/path/to/weblog >>
> > runfcgi_errors
> > 2>&1
> >
> > Em
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: django-users@googlegroups.com
    > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Ronaldo Z. Afonso
> >> Sent: 22 August 2008 01:29
> >> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Erik,
> >>
> >> I'm using a shared host with fast-cgi ...
> >> I don´t know if I have a log ... I'll ask my hosting
> service provider.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 03:24 +0300, Erik Allik wrote:
> >> > Did you check the web server log? If you're using the 
built
> >> in server,
> >> > just look at the console output it produces. Because we
> >> can't help

Re: 500.shtml

2008-08-22 Thread James Matthews
When i run on a shared provider i restart my server by running touch
/mywebdir/dispatch.fcgi


On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Emily Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> Hi Ronaldo,
>
> It is not a python script, just a shell script that either runs 'python
> manage.py runfcgi' with various options (the errorlog being one), or kills
> the django process if needed (I guess like you are doing with "kill -HUP
> dispatch.pid").
>
> I think you need to speak to the person who set up your webserver and get
> them to specify an errorlog file, because it sounds like it is just
> throwing
> an error. Or at least find out how they are starting the webserver.
>
> Em
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: django-users@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo
> > Zacarias Afonso
> > Sent: 22 August 2008 13:45
> > To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> >
> >
> > Hi Emily,
> >
> > Well, in fact I don't start/stop/restart my webserver. As I
> > am using a shared host, the company where I host my website
> > do those things for me.
> > When I do some modification to my site I only have to issue a
> > "kill -HUP dispatch.pid" command. Some thing that I notice is
> > that when I try to access the admin page, the dispach is
> > killed (I don't know why).
> > Can you send me the python script you have that log things for you?
> >
> > ps) I don't know if that is the right way to deploy jdango,
> > I'm just learning it.
> >
> > Thank you very much
> > Ronaldo.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Emily Rodgers
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > How do you start / stop / restart your webserver? If you are using
> > > fastcgi, you may not have it set up to give you an error log.
> > >
> > > I have a script that starts / stops it, and I have
> > specified and error
> > > log for the django web server logs, and sent any errors
> > with my script
> > > commands to a file so that if it doesn't work I can see why:
> > >
> > > python ./manage.py runfcgi [...] errlog=/path/to/weblog >>
> > > runfcgi_errors
> > > 2>&1
> > >
> > > Em
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: django-users@googlegroups.com
> > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Ronaldo Z. Afonso
> > >> Sent: 22 August 2008 01:29
> > >> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> > >> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Erik,
> > >>
> > >> I'm using a shared host with fast-cgi ...
> > >> I don´t know if I have a log ... I'll ask my hosting
> > service provider.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 03:24 +0300, Erik Allik wrote:
> > >> > Did you check the web server log? If you're using the built
> > >> in server,
> > >> > just look at the console output it produces. Because we
> > >> can't help you
> > >> > with the information you provided.
> > >> >
> > >> > Erik
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 22.08.2008, at 3:05, Ronaldo Z. Afonso wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi all,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to
> > access an Admin
> > >> > > page and I'm being redirected to a 500.shtml page. Does
> > >> anyone know
> > >> > > what could be happening?
> > >> > > I'm using Django version 1.0.beta_1.
> > >> > > Thanks in advance ...
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ronaldo.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> >
>


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RE: 500.shtml

2008-08-22 Thread Emily Rodgers

Hi Ronaldo,

It is not a python script, just a shell script that either runs 'python
manage.py runfcgi' with various options (the errorlog being one), or kills
the django process if needed (I guess like you are doing with "kill -HUP
dispatch.pid"). 

I think you need to speak to the person who set up your webserver and get
them to specify an errorlog file, because it sounds like it is just throwing
an error. Or at least find out how they are starting the webserver.

Em

> -Original Message-
> From: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo 
> Zacarias Afonso
> Sent: 22 August 2008 13:45
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> 
> 
> Hi Emily,
> 
> Well, in fact I don't start/stop/restart my webserver. As I 
> am using a shared host, the company where I host my website 
> do those things for me.
> When I do some modification to my site I only have to issue a 
> "kill -HUP dispatch.pid" command. Some thing that I notice is 
> that when I try to access the admin page, the dispach is 
> killed (I don't know why).
> Can you send me the python script you have that log things for you?
> 
> ps) I don't know if that is the right way to deploy jdango, 
> I'm just learning it.
> 
> Thank you very much
> Ronaldo.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Emily Rodgers 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > How do you start / stop / restart your webserver? If you are using 
> > fastcgi, you may not have it set up to give you an error log.
> >
> > I have a script that starts / stops it, and I have 
> specified and error 
> > log for the django web server logs, and sent any errors 
> with my script 
> > commands to a file so that if it doesn't work I can see why:
> >
> > python ./manage.py runfcgi [...] errlog=/path/to/weblog >> 
> > runfcgi_errors
> > 2>&1
> >
> > Em
> >
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: django-users@googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Ronaldo Z. Afonso
> >> Sent: 22 August 2008 01:29
> >> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Erik,
> >>
> >> I'm using a shared host with fast-cgi ...
> >> I don´t know if I have a log ... I'll ask my hosting 
> service provider.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 03:24 +0300, Erik Allik wrote:
> >> > Did you check the web server log? If you're using the built
> >> in server,
> >> > just look at the console output it produces. Because we
> >> can't help you
> >> > with the information you provided.
> >> >
> >> > Erik
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 22.08.2008, at 3:05, Ronaldo Z. Afonso wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi all,
> >> > >
> >> > > This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to 
> access an Admin 
> >> > > page and I'm being redirected to a 500.shtml page. Does
> >> anyone know
> >> > > what could be happening?
> >> > > I'm using Django version 1.0.beta_1.
> >> > > Thanks in advance ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Ronaldo.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> 
> > 
> 



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Re: 500.shtml

2008-08-22 Thread Ronaldo Zacarias Afonso

Hi Emily,

Well, in fact I don't start/stop/restart my webserver. As I am using a
shared host, the company where I host my website do those things for
me.
When I do some modification to my site I only have to issue a "kill
-HUP dispatch.pid" command. Some thing that I notice is that when I
try to access the admin page, the dispach is killed (I don't know
why).
Can you send me the python script you have that log things for you?

ps) I don't know if that is the right way to deploy jdango, I'm just
learning it.

Thank you very much
Ronaldo.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Emily Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How do you start / stop / restart your webserver? If you are using fastcgi,
> you may not have it set up to give you an error log.
>
> I have a script that starts / stops it, and I have specified and error log
> for the django web server logs, and sent any errors with my script commands
> to a file so that if it doesn't work I can see why:
>
> python ./manage.py runfcgi [...] errlog=/path/to/weblog >> runfcgi_errors
> 2>&1
>
> Em
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: django-users@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo Z. Afonso
>> Sent: 22 August 2008 01:29
>> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
>>
>>
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>> I'm using a shared host with fast-cgi ...
>> I don´t know if I have a log ... I'll ask my hosting service provider.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 03:24 +0300, Erik Allik wrote:
>> > Did you check the web server log? If you're using the built
>> in server,
>> > just look at the console output it produces. Because we
>> can't help you
>> > with the information you provided.
>> >
>> > Erik
>> >
>> >
>> > On 22.08.2008, at 3:05, Ronaldo Z. Afonso wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to access an Admin
>> > > page and I'm being redirected to a 500.shtml page. Does
>> anyone know
>> > > what could be happening?
>> > > I'm using Django version 1.0.beta_1.
>> > > Thanks in advance ...
>> > >
>> > > Ronaldo.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> >
>

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RE: 500.shtml

2008-08-22 Thread Emily Rodgers

How do you start / stop / restart your webserver? If you are using fastcgi,
you may not have it set up to give you an error log.

I have a script that starts / stops it, and I have specified and error log
for the django web server logs, and sent any errors with my script commands
to a file so that if it doesn't work I can see why:

python ./manage.py runfcgi [...] errlog=/path/to/weblog >> runfcgi_errors
2>&1

Em

> -Original Message-
> From: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronaldo Z. Afonso
> Sent: 22 August 2008 01:29
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 500.shtml
> 
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> I'm using a shared host with fast-cgi ... 
> I don´t know if I have a log ... I'll ask my hosting service provider.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 03:24 +0300, Erik Allik wrote:
> > Did you check the web server log? If you're using the built 
> in server, 
> > just look at the console output it produces. Because we 
> can't help you 
> > with the information you provided.
> > 
> > Erik
> > 
> > 
> > On 22.08.2008, at 3:05, Ronaldo Z. Afonso wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to access an Admin 
> > > page and I'm being redirected to a 500.shtml page. Does 
> anyone know 
> > > what could be happening?
> > > I'm using Django version 1.0.beta_1.
> > > Thanks in advance ...
> > >
> > > Ronaldo.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> 
> 
> > 
> 



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Re: 500.shtml

2008-08-21 Thread Ronaldo Z. Afonso

Hi Erik,

I'm using a shared host with fast-cgi ... 
I don´t know if I have a log ... I'll ask my hosting service provider.


On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 03:24 +0300, Erik Allik wrote:
> Did you check the web server log? If you're using the built in server,  
> just look at the console output it produces. Because we can't help you  
> with the information you provided.
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> On 22.08.2008, at 3:05, Ronaldo Z. Afonso wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to access an Admin page
> > and I'm being redirected to a 500.shtml page. Does anyone know what
> > could be happening?
> > I'm using Django version 1.0.beta_1.
> > Thanks in advance ...
> >
> > Ronaldo.
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 


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Re: 500.shtml

2008-08-21 Thread Erik Allik

Did you check the web server log? If you're using the built in server,  
just look at the console output it produces. Because we can't help you  
with the information you provided.

Erik


On 22.08.2008, at 3:05, Ronaldo Z. Afonso wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to access an Admin page
> and I'm being redirected to a 500.shtml page. Does anyone know what
> could be happening?
> I'm using Django version 1.0.beta_1.
> Thanks in advance ...
>
> Ronaldo.
>
>
> >


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