Re: [dmarc-ietf] Lenient SPF

2017-10-12 Thread Grant Taylor

On 10/12/2017 01:17 PM, Hector Santos wrote:
SRS "didn't work" (catch on) because there is/was a fundamental 
concept/idea/methodology/philosophy/taboo that the Return Path 
(5321.MailFrom) should never be changed/altered/tampered with along the 
transport path/route.


Interesting.

That's new to me.  But I haven't administered email as a day job in a 
number of years.  Just personal / friend / family things now.


I can see why people might view the Return Path (RFC 5321 Mail From) and 
From header (RFC 5322 From) as sacrosanct.  I can somewhat get behind 
it.  At least for the normal delivery path, including relays.


I guess I personally view things like forwarding email and mailing lists 
as being the end of one delivery path and the start of a second delivery 
path.


It's the same long time mail engineering ethics mindset against altering 
the 5322.From original/authoring address to deal with 3rd party issues 
and ADSP/DMARC strong policies.


I strongly view things like the original recipient's .forward file and 
mailing lists to be entities unto themselves.  I deliver messages to 
them, and they can do what ever they want to with them.  If that means 
that they generate new messages (Auto-Submitted: auto-generated) based 
on the incoming messages, so be it.  -  I view these new messages as 
being from said entity, thus think the 5321.MailFrom and 5322.From 
/should/ reflect said entity.


I know that I am *not* personally sending /individual/ messages to all 
of the DMARC list subscribers.  -  I /am/ sending a single message the 
DMARC mailing list.  Subsequently the DMARC mailing list is sending many 
individual messages to all the list subscribers.  ;-)


But, to each his / her own.

Thank you for the enlightenment Hector.



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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Lenient SPF

2017-10-12 Thread Hector Santos

On 10/12/2017 2:53 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:

* There is a kludge called SRS that embeds the original bounce
address in the forwarder's bounce address, but it doesn't help.


Where can I find out more about how / why SRS does not help.

I've been aware of SRS for quite some time and I always thought that
it did address SPF issues caused by forwarding messages.



SRS "didn't work" (catch on) because there is/was a fundamental 
concept/idea/methodology/philosophy/taboo that the Return Path 
(5321.MailFrom) should never be changed/altered/tampered with along 
the transport path/route.


It's the same long time mail engineering ethics mindset against 
altering the 5322.From original/authoring address to deal with 3rd 
party issues and ADSP/DMARC strong policies.



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HLS


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