Re: [dmarc-discuss] Fwd: Re: Help

[Lawrence Finch via dmarc-discuss]

> On Sep 26, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Bongaerts Contract via dmarc-discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello, Would someone please be kind enough to tell me how to Unsubscribe from 
> these emails ?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Carl BongaertsTel: 416-831-7841
> 

You raise a really good question. The list violates US federal regulations by 
not providing instructions in every message about how to unsubscribe. And I 
just went to the Info page for the list, and there were no instructions to 
unsubscribe there either. 

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Re: [dmarc-discuss] Fwd: Re: Help

[Lawrence Finch via dmarc-discuss]

> On Sep 26, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Brandon Long  wrote:
> 
> Wait, folks are on this list who don't know the basics?
> 
> Ie:
> List-Unsubscribe:  >, 
>  ?subject=unsubscribe>
> 
> on every message?
> 
> Also, the link in the footer, 
> http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss 
> , has a section that is 
> the same on all mailman lists:
> To unsubscribe from dmarc-discuss, get a password reminder, or change your 
> subscription options enter your subscription email address:
> 
> So.. yeah.
> 
> Brandon

Yes, there are folks who don’t know. I am an administrator for 17 mailing lists 
using different technologies, and I belong to several more. Mailman is 
different from Yahoo Groups is different from Google Groups is different from 
L-Soft’s listserv (where most of my lists are). And every one has different 
subscribe and unsubscribe options. And every one of my lists has a link to 
unsubscribe in the footer. Just as this list should and is required by law, at 
least in the US. This is the only list I have encountered that does not follow 
this practice.



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Re: [dmarc-discuss] Help

[Lawrence Finch via dmarc-discuss]

> On Sep 26, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Jonathan Knopp via dmarc-discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> To play devil's advocate: it doesn't explicitly provide unsubscribe 
> instructions directly in the email itself. A non-savvy user likely wouldn't 
> think to follow the non-obvious info link in the footer. And not all mail 
> clients make use of the list-unsubscribe header.
> 
> That said... why would any such person be on this list in the first place?
> 

Well, It’s clear that there is such a person, otherwise this wouldn’t have come 
up ;)

I had never thought about it until it was asked, then I went and looked for an 
easy answer, and found there wasn’t one. Despite what it sounds like, I’m not 
trying to be obstructionist. This is a very valuable list for me as site 
administrator for a number of lists. But I think a simple “unsubscribe” link 
would good addition.

Peace,
Larry



> On 2018-09-26 02:11 PM, Brandon Long via dmarc-discuss wrote:
>> Wait, folks are on this list who don't know the basics?
>> Ie:
>> List-Unsubscribe: <http://dmarc.org/mailman/options/dmarc-discuss>, 
>> <mailto:dmarc-discuss-requ...@dmarc.org 
>> <mailto:dmarc-discuss-requ...@dmarc.org>?subject=unsubscribe>
>> on every message?
>> Also, the link in the footer, 
>> http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss, has a section that is 
>> the same on all mailman lists:
>> To unsubscribe from dmarc-discuss, get a password reminder, or change your 
>> subscription options enter your subscription email address:
>> So.. yeah.
>> Brandon
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:04 PM Lawrence Finch via dmarc-discuss 
>> mailto:dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org>> wrote:
>>>On Sep 26, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Bongaerts Contract via dmarc-discuss 
>>> mailto:dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hello, Would someone please be kind enough to tell me how to Unsubscribe 
>>> from these emails ?
>>> 
>>>Thank you.
>>> 
>>>Carl BongaertsTel: 416-831-7841
>>> 
>>You raise a really good question. The list violates US federal 
>> regulations by not providing instructions in every message about how to 
>> unsubscribe. And I just went to the Info page for the list, and there were 
>> no instructions to unsubscribe there either.
>>--
>>Larry Finch
>>finc...@portadmiral.org <mailto:finc...@portadmiral.org>
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