Re: [DNG] Added desktop-live to the install guides
On 2019-01-01 15:25, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 7:51 PM, wrote: We do not have to write specific Windows guides to mention Unetbootin which will work for Linux, Windows and Mac. Of course we will have to tell the authors of Unetbootin to add Devuan to the pre-selected distros to make it complete. Grtz. Nick Is anyone willing to do the footwork to make this happen? Thanks. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Quoting Mike Bird (mgb-dev...@yosemite.net): > I've got a test message trying to go to Rowland and it's running > into the same problem at samba.org. *chuckle* Don't mind me. I'm just enjoying this timely visit from the Irony Fairy. I'd be very surprised if Dng has the bounce processing values set at anything but Mailman defaults. Those are described here: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node25.html Oddly, that page doesn't state default values, so those are: bounce_processing: yes bounce_score_threshold: 5.0 bounce_info_stale_after: 7 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 3 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 7 bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner: yes bounce_notify_owner_on_disable: yes bounce_notify_owner_on_removal: yes Softfails such as those you describe from the samba.org SMTP host cause (when delivered back to Mailman) Mailman to increment subscriber's bounce score by 0.5 for each softfail notice from the subscriber's MTA. You speak of 'the retry parameters of this list': That's decided by MTA policy (on the mailing list host), not by the MLM software. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
On Fri January 4 2019 13:33:57 marc wrote: > Also: This isn't strictly a problem, but the highest priority > mail handler for samba.org doesn't seem to be running a mail server > at the moment: > > samba.org. 7200IN MX 5 ns1.samba.org. > samba.org. 7200IN MX 9 ns1.samba.org. > samba.org. 7200IN MX 7 smtp.samba.org. > > ;; Query time: 441 msec > ;; SERVER: 196.22.160.5#53(196.22.160.5) > ;; WHEN: Fri Jan 4 21:26:52 2019 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 84 > > ~$ telnet ns1.samba.org 25 > Trying 144.76.82.137... > Connection failed: Connection refused > Trying 2a01:4f8:192:486::b0... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable I've got a test message trying to go to Rowland and it's running into the same problem at samba.org. That test message should go through eventually but I don't know the retry and bounce parameters of this list so it's quite possible that a few failures could result in a bounce. Rowland, it looks like you need to ssh in and fix samba.org's MX. --Mike [Rowland cc'd because of bounces] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: What should an Install Guide accomplish?
Quoting Michael (mb_devuan-mailingl...@inet-design.com): [snip quite a lot of quotation whose purpose I'm unclear about] > Dear Devuan Community, /me waves. > I intentionally waited 48+ hours after received this much unexpected > reply by golinux to reply. I first wanted to hear what the Devuan > Community had to reply to the question I put to it on what it wants. > > My ethos is to ‘help.’ I guess you could call that my ‘agenda?’ > Being slapped in the face by golinux’s catch 22 of “because you’ve > asked the community its opinion,” “you don’t understand the community” > doesn’t really lead me to want to ‘help’ the group he/she leads. Dude, you didn't get even very figuratively slapped in the face. Anyway, it's great that you want to help. Personally, I'd suggest, first, install, run, and get to know Devuan. Hang out on the mailing lists and IRC and answer technical questions when you can. Learn Devuan Project's institutions and forums, e.g., make some interesting and useful pages on dev1galaxy. And thus figure out how you can mesh with and help build this community. In anticipation of your doing that, which is not a lot like long lectures on minimalism, giving Devuan volunteers a hard time and chewing up their time, and wanting to be individually briefed on what Devuan desires -- let alone padding your Drupal-deployments portfolio, which the cynic in me strongly suspects this entire noisy campaign is about -- thanks in advance. If you won't do that, oh well -- and please see .signature block. -- Cheers (Drupal sucks ;-> ), A post is just a post Rick Moen My admin will deny. r...@linuxmafia.com The usual disclaimers apply McQ! (4x80)As news spools by. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: What should an Install Guide accomplish?
On Tuesday 01 January 2019 08:11:44 pm goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Sorry. Forgot to send to the list. > > Original Message > Subject: Re: [DNG] What should an Install Guide accomplish? > Date: 2019-01-01 18:50 > From: goli...@dyne.org > To: Michael > > On 2019-01-01 17:34, Michael wrote: > > Hi golinux and everyone else, > > > > Okay, I’m breaking this topic off from the ‘Added desktop-live to the > > install > > guides’ as it seems we have a much higher, philosophical level decision > > to > > make before we can continue with editing the Devuan Install Guide. > > Which is: > > > > == What should an Install Guide accomplish? > > Before that, it might be good for you to understand a little better > where Devuan is coming from. > > > # # # > > > > My take is that an Install Guide is a complete set of instructions that > > a > > person can follow to fully accomplish the task. There are no > > ambiguities > > presented to the user, as it is literally do step a), do step b), do > > step > > c) ... > > As explained elsewhere. These documents were originally created for > inclusion on the ascii isos and have been re-purposed to go on the > website. They were never intended as a complete set of instructions. Are > you even aware of dev1fanboy's wiki? > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan > Or the friends of devaun wiki? > https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php > > > Each step should be fully explained and if there is more than one > > primary > > method of doing any of the steps, then each method is explained. In > > this > > case my take is that both Nix and Windows instructions should be > > available. > > See below. > > > # # Minor points > > > > = I am fully against against repeating any information on a website. > > As doing > > so almost always leads to discrepancies between the difference sources. > > If > > the Devuan site is using a CMS of some sort, then a single source > > should be > > able to be created and block inclusions can be then placed anywhere > > else on > > the site as needed. [1] > > The site is intricately hand-coded in markdown. Not my doing; I > inherited it and have learned to live with it. > > > = I do think that anything a user needs to know to make an intelligent > > decision should be either on the page or directly linked to. If linked > > to, > > then clicking the link should not close or overwrite the Install Guide > > page. > > The best documemntation will be useless if no one reads it. See below. > Isn't that what a scrollwheel click is for? > > > = For an Install Guide I’m against ‘Minimalism.’ My feeling is that > > not > > giving total, and literally an over abundance of information, not only > > directly inhibits and stops people from doing the Install, but also > > creates > > vast negative word of mouth from those who attempt the Install but > > can’t > > complete it because they aren’t given enough information to physically > > be > > able to follow it. > > Even though information is already available on the site and elsewhere, > quite often there will be questions that could be readily answered with > a little effort on the user's part. So it is not a lack of information > problem but a "you can't fix stupid" problem. Bloating the guide won't > change that human behavior. > > > = If golinux agrees to ‘an over abundance of information approach,’ I > > have no > > issue re-writing the whole guide. (As you may have noticed I’m a bit > > gabby.) > > I will need someone with a Windows box to QC those instructions. > > I am a minimalist personally as is the target audience of this distro. > We are not seeking to court desktop users and overtake the desktop > market. In fact, we considered launching this distro without ANY > desktop!! That would have left desktop development to derivatives of > which we have many. So I think you're not understanding who we are, > where we are coming from and where we want to go. > > Feel free to open a project in our gitlab for us to review. > > > # # # > > > > Okay, that’s my fairly opinionated opinion. I think ultimately this is > > golinux’s decision, but please everyone else jump in with yea’s, nay’s, > > and > > what you think the answer to the question is ;) Also, please don’t > > feel shy > > about bringing up what you think the ramifications might be for the > > different > > options/opinions/methods. I bring this last point up, as I have a gut > > feel > > that if we come to agreement on the ramifications, then we’ll have > > our ‘decision’ per say made for us. > > It is not MY decision. It is OUR decision. But . . . > > While I can appreciate your enthusiasm, jumping into an established > community that works well together and starting to rearrange the > furniture is a very strange way to make an entrance. Think bull:china > shop. > > > Best Regards All and Happy New Year!, > > Michael > > > > PS: golinux, my full apologies if I’ve stepped on your toes :( and/or > > exceeded what
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Quoting marc (marc...@welz.org.za): > I see that smtp.samba.org seems to run exim - are the others > experiencing bounces and disabled subscriptions also running exim ? [Just so Dyne.org volunteers needn't explore that:] Exim runs SMTP on my linuxmafia.org host: No pattern of bounces, no MLM-disabling of my subscription's delivery. I've been subscribed since mid-2016. -- Cheers,"He who laughs last, lasts." Rick Moen -- Leo Rosten r...@linuxmafia.com McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
On Fri January 4 2019 13:31:59 Rick Moen wrote: > As I've mentioned upthread, I am a (friendly) _outsider_ to Dyne.org, who > runs and administers Mailman and MTAs elsewhere -- and as such have no > access to Dyne's MTA and MLM logs (nor samba.org's MTA logs). The best > help I could think of to give Rowland was to strongly suggest that he > contact the sysadmin teams (not the listadmns) of the hosts involved. TTBOMK bounce notifications if they happen happen immediately following a bounce. Assuming Rowland has received one or more bounce notifications from Mailman he can "ssh in and read the relevant logs" for a short period of time leading up to each bounce notification, as there should be at least one bounce during that time period. --Mike ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
> Yes, I am totally aware of the above, but, as there is absolutely no > reason for the dng mails sent to me being bounced and that others have > had this happen to them, I feel the problem could be at the dng end. Maybe it is emergent (heh!) problem requiring a particular combination of sending and receiving software ? I see that smtp.samba.org seems to run exim - are the others experiencing bounces and disabled subscriptions also running exim ? Also: This isn't strictly a problem, but the highest priority mail handler for samba.org doesn't seem to be running a mail server at the moment: samba.org. 7200IN MX 5 ns1.samba.org. samba.org. 7200IN MX 9 ns1.samba.org. samba.org. 7200IN MX 7 smtp.samba.org. ;; Query time: 441 msec ;; SERVER: 196.22.160.5#53(196.22.160.5) ;; WHEN: Fri Jan 4 21:26:52 2019 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 84 ~$ telnet ns1.samba.org 25 Trying 144.76.82.137... Connection failed: Connection refused Trying 2a01:4f8:192:486::b0... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable regards marc ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Quoting Mike Bird (mgb-dev...@yosemite.net): > I've been running mail servers and mailing lists for more than two > decades. > > Rick if you can give Rowland specific times (+timezone) of some > bounces that would assist Rowland's admins in finding the actual > reason for the bounces in his mail server's logs. Thank you, Mike, for attempting to help. As I've mentioned upthread, I am a (friendly) _outsider_ to Dyne.org, who runs and administers Mailman and MTAs elsewhere -- and as such have no access to Dyne's MTA and MLM logs (nor samba.org's MTA logs). The best help I could think of to give Rowland was to strongly suggest that he contact the sysadmin teams (not the listadmns) of the hosts involved. FWIW, Mailman listadmins cannot produce the timestamps of 'bounce' events unless they are also shell users. I assist Dyne.org's listadmins on some matters, and know that at least one of those listadmins lacks shell access (and would speculate that the others do, too). As I mentioned, reading MTA logs typically requires root shell, while Mailman logs merely require shell. I wish Rowland luck, but will not be assisting further with this problem. (If you can think of a way for Dyne.org's listadmin to look up 'bounce' timestamps without host shell access, please help them do so. Thanks.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:53:48 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Rowland Penny via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > > > Rick, please stop name dropping and please stop, just stop. > > Seriously? I merely asked you, while thanking you for your work on > Samba, to please say hullo to three of my friends and sometime > co-workers, as they are on the Samba Team with you. They are in fact > exactly that, I like them quite a lot, and I haven't seen them in far > too long -- in some cases, since the dot-com collapse. Two of the names you mentioned aren't involved much in Samba any more and the other lives nearer to you than me. I only mentioned I was a member of the Samba team to try and show I know that the problem is unlikely to be at my end. > > For the rest, I have been trying to assist you -- using my longtime > knowledge of how to investigate Mailman/MTA problems involving my own > server and that of a number of groups where I'm a longtime listadmin. > As such, I've told you who can gather the required data. If you don't > believe me and would rather just pound the table about how you believe > the problem isn't at Samba's e-mail server (which is entirely > possible, and examining the logs would confirm of deny), then best of > luck to you, but I'll definitely not repeat the mistake of trying to > help you again. Thanks, because you were not helping, I need to know when the mails bounced and why and you cannot help with this. Once I get this info, I can ssh in and read the relevant logs Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
I've been running mail servers and mailing lists for more than two decades. Rick if you can give Rowland specific times (+timezone) of some bounces that would assist Rowland's admins in finding the actual reason for the bounces in his mail server's logs. --Mike ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Quoting Rowland Penny via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > Rick, please stop name dropping and please stop, just stop. Seriously? I merely asked you, while thanking you for your work on Samba, to please say hullo to three of my friends and sometime co-workers, as they are on the Samba Team with you. They are in fact exactly that, I like them quite a lot, and I haven't seen them in far too long -- in some cases, since the dot-com collapse. For the rest, I have been trying to assist you -- using my longtime knowledge of how to investigate Mailman/MTA problems involving my own server and that of a number of groups where I'm a longtime listadmin. As such, I've told you who can gather the required data. If you don't believe me and would rather just pound the table about how you believe the problem isn't at Samba's e-mail server (which is entirely possible, and examining the logs would confirm of deny), then best of luck to you, but I'll definitely not repeat the mistake of trying to help you again. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:56:29 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > Correcting mistype: > > > Please, let's work through the scenario. You as rpe...@samba.org > > subscribe to dng@lists.dyne.org. Hypothetically for purposes of > > discussion, for some reason the samba.org SMTP host occasionally > > does either SMTP error code 45x tempfail or 45x hardfail of > > subscriber > ^^^ '55x' > > copies of a Dng post addressed to you. > Rick, please stop name dropping and please stop, just stop. I have no reason to believe the problem is at the Samba's email server, very little gets stopped by it. All I am asking is for some one (probably the person who gets the bounce reports, if there are such things) to tell me when the mails were bounced and why. If you can do this Rick, then great, otherwise, please keep quite. This happens on a regular basis and not just to me. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Correcting mistype: > Please, let's work through the scenario. You as rpe...@samba.org > subscribe to dng@lists.dyne.org. Hypothetically for purposes of > discussion, for some reason the samba.org SMTP host occasionally > does either SMTP error code 45x tempfail or 45x hardfail of subscriber ^^^ '55x' > copies of a Dng post addressed to you. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Quoting Rowland Penny via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > Because, if the mails were bouncing, someone would get the bounce > reports and tell me. I get bounce reports for the samba and > samba-technical mailing lists (I am one of the moderators), so I know > what they look like. Please, let's work through the scenario. You as rpe...@samba.org subscribe to dng@lists.dyne.org. Hypothetically for purposes of discussion, for some reason the samba.org SMTP host occasionally does either SMTP error code 45x tempfail or 45x hardfail of subscriber copies of a Dng post addressed to you. Any SMTP Non-Delivery Report (NDR) or Delivery Status Notification (DSN) notice would be generated not at samba.org but rather at lists.dyne.org, right? Moreover, if for some reason a report were generated at samba.org about the SMTP refusal, logically it would go to the samba.org sysadmins, not to Samba 'list moderators' (or listadmins), because the latter have responsibility for Samba's mailing lists, not Dyne.org's. That's the model I've been used to, so unless I'm missing something very different about your situation, the right people to check logs would be the ones I described. > Are you aware that I am one of the Samba team members ? I am, indeed, and I sincerely thank you and the rest of your and the rest of the Samba Team's work. Please say a cheery 'Hullo' to my friends and erstwhile co-workers Andrew Tridgell, Jeremy Allison, and Rusty Russell. > Yes, I am totally aware of the above, but, as there is absolutely no > reason for the dng mails sent to me being bounced and that others have > had this happen to them, I feel the problem could be at the dng end. If so, that's good news, because once appropriate people look at the appropriate log files, it should be possible to figure out why (it is claimed) some Dng mail addressed to you from lists.dyne.org keeps getting either tempfailed or hardfailed. I would encourage you to concentrate on contacting one or both sysadmin teams. If I had shell with root privilege on either the samba.org or lists.dyne.org host, I'd have been glad to do that work, but sadly I'm an outsider to both projects. I apologoise for requiring _three_ responses last night to cover this matter, but it was quite late in my time zone, and I was rather tired. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 04:21:28 -0800
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Rowland Penny via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
> >
> > It has happened again, my membership to this list has been disabled
> > due to excessive bounces. I am fairly sure this isn't true, or I
> > would have told by one of the Samba team list moderators.
>
>
> Sorry, just noticed the underlined bit. {scratches head} It's a
> mystery to me how and why Samba's _list moderators_ (by which I'm
> guessing you mean Samba's listadmins) would even have relevant data,
> let alone convey it to you.
Because, if the mails were bouncing, someone would get the bounce
reports and tell me. I get bounce reports for the samba and
samba-technical mailing lists (I am one of the moderators), so I know
what they look like.
Are you aware that I am one of the Samba team members ?
>
> Solving these problems, in my experience, requires at minimum
> involvement by site sysadmins with access to read MTA logs one one or
> both end (mailing list manager = MLM host and your receiving SMTP
> host), and preferably also the MLM's logs. Mailman's logs are by
> default world-readable by shell users. Typically, MTA logs are not.
>
Yes, I am totally aware of the above, but, as there is absolutely no
reason for the dng mails sent to me being bounced and that others have
had this happen to them, I feel the problem could be at the dng end.
Rowland
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Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Quoting Rowland Penny via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
>
> It has happened again, my membership to this list has been disabled due to
> excessive bounces. I am fairly sure this isn't true, or I would have
> told by one of the Samba team list moderators.
Sorry, just noticed the underlined bit. {scratches head} It's a
mystery to me how and why Samba's _list moderators_ (by which I'm
guessing you mean Samba's listadmins) would even have relevant data,
let alone convey it to you.
Solving these problems, in my experience, requires at minimum
involvement by site sysadmins with access to read MTA logs one one or
both end (mailing list manager = MLM host and your receiving SMTP host), and
preferably also the MLM's logs. Mailman's logs are by default
world-readable by shell users. Typically, MTA logs are not.
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Re: [DNG] [OT] Attention deficit and consciousness
On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 11:14:07PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 08:02:05 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message > > > > THose interested in looking into the development of consciousness > > further should probably start by reading "The Strange Order of > > Thinkg" by Antonio Damasio. > > ..you meant "The Strange Order of Things: Life, Feeling, and the Making > of Cultures",[19][20] Pantheon, 2018: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Damasio#Books Yes. Also available as a ebook. > > > It is speculative, but at least grounded in what's currently known > > about evolution and neuroscience. > > -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
I wrote: > dyne.org system administrators can investigate this matter, by > examining the /var/lib/mailman/logs/bounce* log files and > corresponding MTA log entries on lists.dyne.org -- to see when and why > and when the bounce scores for your Dng membership for rpe...@samba.org > has increased, each time that has happened. Equally, the samba.org system administrators could examine _their_ MTA logs to see if/when mail attempts to rpe...@samba.org have recently been softfail or hardfail refused, and the reasons cited. You can and should ask them to. The advantage of having the var/lib/mailman/logs/bounce* entries from the Dyne.org end is to get the timestamps of when the bounce score for subscriber rpe...@samba.org on Dng was incremented -- to then correlate with MTA events. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] excessive bounces
Quoting Rowland Penny via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > It has happened again, my membership to this list has been disabled > due to excessive bounces. I am fairly sure this isn't true, or I would > have told by one of the Samba team list moderators. dyne.org system administrators can investigate this matter, by examining the /var/lib/mailman/logs/bounce* log files and corresponding MTA log entries on lists.dyne.org -- to see when and why and when the bounce scores for your Dng membership for rpe...@samba.org has increased, each time that has happened. (My understanding is that the listadmins for Dng don't have the root shell access required for such investigation, but of course other Dyne.org core people do.) Bounce processing in GNU Mailman is adjustable as to a number of parameters used, both site-wide and per-mailing list, but here is how it goes if using default values: Each time for whatever reason the MTA detects non-delivery of a subscriber's copy, subscriber's bounce score gets incremented by 1 if parsing the MTA diagnostic appears to show a permanent failure, or by 0.5 if the MTA diagnostic appears to show a tempfail. Each day, if the subscriber hasn't had a new bounce event within the past 7 days, subscriber's bounce score resets to zero. Any day when the subscriber's bounce score has risen to 5.0, subscription delivery gets disabled. Once delivery has been disabled (which I gather is what you say was done to your subscription), the subscriber then gets three 'Your membership is disabled' autowarning mails, at intervals of a week, explaining what happened and how to re-enable delivery. If the subscriber doesn't respond, after a month, the subscriber gets unsubscribed. I personally am a (friendly) outsider to dyne.org -- but administer Mailman elsewhere, and so can explain in general terms how the mechanics works. Here's example content from log file /var/lib/mailman/logs/bounce on my own server, linuxmafia.com: Dec 24 18:26:43 2018 (23567) processing 1 queued bounces Dec 24 18:26:43 2018 (23567) skeptic: adity...@sbcglobal.net current bounce score: 2.0 Here is the matching MTA error: # zgrep adity...@sbcglobal.net /var/log/exim4/* | grep 2018-12-24 | grep "SMTP error" /var/log/exim4/mainlog.10.gz:2018-12-24 18:26:42 1gbcPW-00033B-SM ** adity...@sbcglobal.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:: host al-ip4-mx-vip2.prodigy.net [144.160.235.144]: 550 5.7.1 Connections not accepted from servers without a valid sender domain.alph739 Fix reverse DNS for 198.144.195.186 # (FWIW, I was somewhat startled to see the claim that my IP address, 198.144.195.186, lacks valid DNS reverse pointing back to my mail domain, as that's just not the case: $ dig -x 198.144.195.186 +short linuxmafia.COM. $ Someone at prodigy.net is screwing things up, it appears -- maybe falsely triggering on the FQDN lettercase difference? But otherwise, I hope the above properly illustrates how Dyne.org sysadmins could research this matter.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed or proposed-updates
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:47:40AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Hi Nick, > > ascii-proposed is under "/devuan" not "/merged". Hence you should use: > > deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan ascii-proposed main > > HND > BTW, the complete information about all the suites in the Devuan repos is available at: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed or proposed-updates
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:37:21AM +0100, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 04-01-19 11:32, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:21:58AM +0100, info at smallinnovations dot nl > > wrote: > >> On https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list for adding the proposed > >> repo advise is: > >> > >> # /etc/apt/sources.listdeb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan >> codename>-proposed main deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/devuan >> codename>-proposed main > >> > >> Using this gives a Inrelease file not found error. Changing the line in > >> > >> deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed-updates main > >> > >> resolves it. But which one is correct? > >> > > Hi Nick, > > > > what is in your example above? -proposed and > > -proposed-updates are populated only in ascii and jessie. > > > > My2Cents > > > > katolaZ > > This is a fresh install of ascii. > Hi Nick, ascii-proposed is under "/devuan" not "/merged". Hence you should use: deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan ascii-proposed main HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed or proposed-updates
On Friday 04 January 2019 at 11:37:21, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 04-01-19 11:32, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:21:58AM +0100, i...@smallinnovations.nl wrote: > >> On https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list for adding the proposed > >> repo advise is: > >> > >> # /etc/apt/sources.listdeb > >> http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed main > >> deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed main > >> > >> Using this gives a Inrelease file not found error. > > what is in your example above? -proposed and > > -proposed-updates are populated only in ascii and jessie. > This is a fresh install of ascii. http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii-proposed/InRelease downloads fine for me. Antony. -- "Linux is going to be part of the future. It's going to be like Unix was." - Peter Moore, Asia-Pacific general manager, Microsoft Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed or proposed-updates
On 04-01-19 11:32, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:21:58AM +0100, info at smallinnovations dot nl > wrote: >> On https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list for adding the proposed >> repo advise is: >> >> # /etc/apt/sources.listdeb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan > codename>-proposed main deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/devuan > codename>-proposed main >> >> Using this gives a Inrelease file not found error. Changing the line in >> >> deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed-updates main >> >> resolves it. But which one is correct? >> > Hi Nick, > > what is in your example above? -proposed and > -proposed-updates are populated only in ascii and jessie. > > My2Cents > > katolaZ This is a fresh install of ascii. Grtz Nick signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed or proposed-updates
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:21:58AM +0100, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list for adding the proposed > repo advise is: > > # /etc/apt/sources.listdeb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan codename>-proposed main deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/devuan codename>-proposed main > > Using this gives a Inrelease file not found error. Changing the line in > > deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed-updates main > > resolves it. But which one is correct? > Hi Nick, what is in your example above? -proposed and -proposed-updates are populated only in ascii and jessie. My2Cents katolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] excessive bounces
It has happened again, my membership to this list has been disabled due to excessive bounces. I am fairly sure this isn't true, or I would have told by one of the Samba team list moderators. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Proposed or proposed-updates
On https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list for adding the proposed repo advise is: # /etc/apt/sources.listdeb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed main deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed main Using this gives a Inrelease file not found error. Changing the line in deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan -proposed-updates main resolves it. But which one is correct? Grtz. Nick signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
