Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 05:57:22PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > "info at smallinnovations.nl" writes: > > [...] > > >>> >I have no experience in setting up a distro, toolchain and > >>> >the like but always prepared to learn something new. It would be > >>> >usefull for myself too because my next webradio will be a Pi Zero in > >>> >a lunchbox. > >>> > > This remains: compiling a kernel already takes hours on a Pi A+ or B+ > > with leaves the question how much is needed for a complete distro. > > The usual way to do this would be to use a cross-compiler (compiler > creating code for a different CPU than the one it runs on) on a more > powerful machine. And that's exactly what I am working to achieve. As I said, the toolchain to cross-compile for armv6+fpu2 (rpi0/rpi1) works. I have cross-compiled and tested on rpi0 a pretty large (custom) software suite which makes heavy usage of floating point stuff. And it works perfectly. Next step on my agenda is to cross-compile a complete kernel + bash + essential binaries and libraries for a minimal boot into single-user mode. If everything goes smooth, I will then speak to the Devuan gurus to see how we can start a port for the rpi0/rpi1 (which we could call "pi-vuan", e.g. spelling it "pi-v1" :D) and integrate it within the amprolla architecture, but this will not happen before Devuan Beta is out. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:46:11 +0100, info wrote in message <56ba25e3.2080...@smallinnovations.nl>: > On 09-02-16 06:21, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 14:24:39 +0100 From: Arnt Karlsen > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] > > Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero Message-ID: > > <20160208142439.6bd0e...@nb6.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:14:26 +0100, info wrote in > > message <56b86a82.1050...@smallinnovations.nl>: > >> >I have several Pi's B+, 2B and A+ in use or in use by others as > >> >webradio client, personal backup cloud with btsync (6 Pi's and 3 > >> >Tb disks), > > ..set up how, if you have a recipe? > I suppose you mean the personal backup cloud? I will write a small > howto later this week. ..ok, that'll work nicely, I was thinking of "on each Pi." :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
"info at smallinnovations.nl" writes: [...] >>> >I have no experience in setting up a distro, toolchain and >>> >the like but always prepared to learn something new. It would be >>> >usefull for myself too because my next webradio will be a Pi Zero in >>> >a lunchbox. >>> > This remains: compiling a kernel already takes hours on a Pi A+ or B+ > with leaves the question how much is needed for a complete distro. The usual way to do this would be to use a cross-compiler (compiler creating code for a different CPU than the one it runs on) on a more powerful machine. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On 09-02-16 06:21, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 14:24:39 +0100 From: Arnt Karlsen To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero Message-ID: <20160208142439.6bd0e...@nb6.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:14:26 +0100, info wrote in message <56b86a82.1050...@smallinnovations.nl>: >I have several Pi's B+, 2B and A+ in use or in use by others as >webradio client, personal backup cloud with btsync (6 Pi's and 3 Tb >disks), ..set up how, if you have a recipe? I suppose you mean the personal backup cloud? I will write a small howto later this week. >webradioserver with shoutcast and as a server for a 3d printer. > >BTW one of the funniest things with booting Raspbian Jessie is the >message something like Adding Debian fixes to make systemd work >better. > >For the Pi 2 B i have installed Ubuntu 15.10 with support for a 5" >touchscreen but i would like to install Devuan Jessie when it is >stable. ..eh, all you need is one extra sd-card to play with, to_help_make_ Devuan stable. Devuan stable etc is not going to happen if everybody sits waiting for it to "become stable." Agreed, but a beta version would help me a lot: less bugs to hunt. >I have no experience in setting up a distro, toolchain and >the like but always prepared to learn something new. It would be >usefull for myself too because my next webradio will be a Pi Zero in >a lunchbox. This remains: compiling a kernel already takes hours on a Pi A+ or B+ with leaves the question how much is needed for a complete distro. Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 12:25:54 + David Harrison wrote: > On 08/02/2016 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > However, it is undeniable that with the 5$ pi-zero out there will be > > pis everywhere, and there is no reason to add init lock-in to boot > > and graphics lock-in. In a word, it would be much better to have a > > systemd-free distro for pis, and from my (biased) point of view > > Devuan seems the best candidate... > > How similar is a current RPi to a Banana Pi? Someone on the #xroutine > IRC channel succeeded with Void Linux on a BPi. Danger Will Robinson! Banana Pi is an Allwinner SOC: http://wiki.xroutine.de/index.php?title=Banana_Pi#Hardware Allwinner is a serial GPL violator: http://linux-sunxi.org/GPL_Violations http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Allwinner-GPL-Violate-Proof https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2zlo2u/allwinner_caught_obfuscating_code_to_hide_gpl/ To use Allwinner based products is to weaken Free Software. SteveT Steve Litt February 2016 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:14:26 +0100, info wrote in message <56b86a82.1050...@smallinnovations.nl>: > I have several Pi's B+, 2B and A+ in use or in use by others as > webradio client, personal backup cloud with btsync (6 Pi's and 3 Tb > disks), ..set up how, if you have a recipe? > webradioserver with shoutcast and as a server for a 3d printer. > > BTW one of the funniest things with booting Raspbian Jessie is the > message something like Adding Debian fixes to make systemd work > better. > > For the Pi 2 B i have installed Ubuntu 15.10 with support for a 5" > touchscreen but i would like to install Devuan Jessie when it is > stable. ..eh, all you need is one extra sd-card to play with, to _help_make_ Devuan stable. Devuan stable etc is not going to happen if everybody sits waiting for it to "become stable." > I have no experience in setting up a distro, toolchain and > the like but always prepared to learn something new. It would be > usefull for myself too because my next webradio will be a Pi Zero in > a lunchbox. > > Nick -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:30:28 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20160208083028.gd...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 07:35:24AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > > > >>My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a > > > >>ARMv6 chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, > > > >>I'm afraid you're stuck with raspbian for now. > > > > > > raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is > > > (or was then) compiled without hard float support while debian > > > armhf is compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU > > > neither is suitable ... raspbian is compiled to suit PIs. > > > > Actually, armel _is_ perfectly suitable, just a bit slower. > > However, rapbian guys wanted to use all the computing power of pi's > > CPU, and thus used a debased version of armhf. They really should > > have named the architecture different. > > > > That's my point. Debian armhf is something quite specific (basically, > at least ARMv7 + VFPU3), and Debian armel is something else, still > specific (ARM with soft FPU, so almost anything else), while Raspbian > is "branded" armhf but is neither, since it is compiled for > ARMv6+VFPU2, as I found out googling around. They should have called > it differently. ..and, setting up this new port/arch that needs its own correct name, shouldn't we name it correctly? ;o) ..e.g. "ARMv6+VFPU2"? Or "rpi-1"? ..is the Raspberry Zero hardware way different, i.e. not ARMv6+VFPU2 since it doesn't boot off Raspian Wheezy? ..acconding to the foundation, it's "A(?)+ minus camera" etc and clocked 30% faster, which might cause a need for slightly higher cpu etc voltage settings. > The problem wouldn't be compiling the packages, which can be done with > a cross-compiler + toolchain on any more powerful piece of hw, but > perhaps putting together an entire port for such a specific target, > although it is a quite popular one. > > HND > > KatolaZ > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 12:25:54PM +, David Harrison wrote: > On 08/02/2016 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > >However, it is undeniable that with the 5$ pi-zero out there will be > >pis everywhere, and there is no reason to add init lock-in to boot and > >graphics lock-in. In a word, it would be much better to have a > >systemd-free distro for pis, and from my (biased) point of view Devuan > >seems the best candidate... > > How similar is a current RPi to a Banana Pi? Someone on the > #xroutine IRC channel succeeded with Void Linux on a BPi. Void is an > independent distro with different strengths and weaknesses to a > Devuan-based system, but they may still have some useful tips. I > gather it wasn't entirely plain sailing :) > > There's a brief mention of it here: > http://wiki.xroutine.de/index.php?title=Banana_Pi > To the best of my knowledge, BananaPi is an ARMv7, and indeed there are already Devuan installer images for it, and for a bunch of similar boards with ARMv7: http://files.devuan.org/armhf/ As reported by many others here, Devuan Jessie works all right on rpi2, and should work as well on all those platforms listed there, since they have far less restrictions than the pi2. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On 08/02/2016 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: However, it is undeniable that with the 5$ pi-zero out there will be pis everywhere, and there is no reason to add init lock-in to boot and graphics lock-in. In a word, it would be much better to have a systemd-free distro for pis, and from my (biased) point of view Devuan seems the best candidate... How similar is a current RPi to a Banana Pi? Someone on the #xroutine IRC channel succeeded with Void Linux on a BPi. Void is an independent distro with different strengths and weaknesses to a Devuan-based system, but they may still have some useful tips. I gather it wasn't entirely plain sailing :) There's a brief mention of it here: http://wiki.xroutine.de/index.php?title=Banana_Pi Cheers, David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 08:18:40PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: [cut] > > I think that depends on what one expects. If someone gets one of > these, and hopes it can replace a modern desktop/laptop, then that > person will indeed be frustrated. I wanted to use mine as a router > possibly running i2p and freenet as well, and I thought when I was > getting it I had a good understanding of its limitations. It does the > router part very well as I expected. It ran i2p well enough also, > though I have since transferred that to my laptop for reasons unrelated > to performance. The freenet node ran fine when it was idle. However > putting some downloads in the queue made the freenet node slow to > respond, and it crashed once a day or so.. I had hoped all of that > would be otherwise, but am not surprised by the reality of things. The > main job for my rpi2 is to be a router, and it does that very well so far. > I have never been a big fan of rpis, and I know that there are much better alternatives in terms of performance and freedom. To be honest, the most part of non-free stuff on rpis is relegated to boot and graphics, which is the same problem we have on almost every other server, desktop, mobile platform, so it does not bother me too much. Or to put it better, not much more than a non-free bios or a non-free firmware for wifi bother me. However, it is undeniable that with the 5$ pi-zero out there will be pis everywhere, and there is no reason to add init lock-in to boot and graphics lock-in. In a word, it would be much better to have a systemd-free distro for pis, and from my (biased) point of view Devuan seems the best candidate... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On 08-02-16 07:35, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 14:26:43 +1100 From: Ozi Traveller To: Gregory Nowak Cc: dng Subject: Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have 3 raspberry pi's original B, B+, 2 B (quad) I'm using the B+ as a headless server for apt-cacher, I use for live-build's The 2 B I'm going to make a lightweight desktop, as it's better spec'd than my netbook and used less power. On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: I have several Pi's B+, 2B and A+ in use or in use by others as webradio client, personal backup cloud with btsync (6 Pi's and 3 Tb disks), webradioserver with shoutcast and as a server for a 3d printer. BTW one of the funniest things with booting Raspbian Jessie is the message something like Adding Debian fixes to make systemd work better. For the Pi 2 B i have installed Ubuntu 15.10 with support for a 5" touchscreen but i would like to install Devuan Jessie when it is stable. I have no experience in setting up a distro, toolchain and the like but always prepared to learn something new. It would be usefull for myself too because my next webradio will be a Pi Zero in a lunchbox. Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 07:35:24AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > > >>My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a ARMv6 > > >>chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, I'm afraid > > >>you're stuck with raspbian for now. > > > > raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or was then) > > compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is compiled for arm7 > > ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is suitable ... raspbian is > > compiled to suit PIs. > > Actually, armel _is_ perfectly suitable, just a bit slower. However, > rapbian guys wanted to use all the computing power of pi's CPU, and thus > used a debased version of armhf. They really should have named the > architecture different. > That's my point. Debian armhf is something quite specific (basically, at least ARMv7 + VFPU3), and Debian armel is something else, still specific (ARM with soft FPU, so almost anything else), while Raspbian is "branded" armhf but is neither, since it is compiled for ARMv6+VFPU2, as I found out googling around. They should have called it differently. The problem wouldn't be compiling the packages, which can be done with a cross-compiler + toolchain on any more powerful piece of hw, but perhaps putting together an entire port for such a specific target, although it is a quite popular one. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On 08/02/16 17:35, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a ARMv6 chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, I'm afraid you're stuck with raspbian for now. raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or was then) compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is suitable ... raspbian is compiled to suit PIs. Actually, armel _is_ perfectly suitable, just a bit slower. However, rapbian guys wanted to use all the computing power of pi's CPU, and thus used a debased version of armhf. They really should have named the architecture different. They certainly could not do anything useful for me without hard float! simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > >>My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a ARMv6 > >>chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, I'm afraid > >>you're stuck with raspbian for now. > > raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or was then) > compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is compiled for arm7 > ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is suitable ... raspbian is > compiled to suit PIs. Actually, armel _is_ perfectly suitable, just a bit slower. However, rapbian guys wanted to use all the computing power of pi's CPU, and thus used a debased version of armhf. They really should have named the architecture different. -- A tit a day keeps the vet away. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On 08/02/16 14:18, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or was then) compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is suitable Just to be clear, the rpi2 is based on a ARMv7. My rpi2 is running devuan jessie nicely, as I have posted here a few months ago. The RPi2 is a quite different beast, the OP was about the original chip. Raspbian wheezy has lots of specific stuff for them, and a lot of work went into it. I have found that compiling anything not in it from source is the way to go. It can also be used by experienced people willing to put time into making a single purpose kiosk style setup. But anyone hoping for a cheap, open general computer will be frustrated. It is quite a good learning tool though, since the community is big and helpful. I think that depends on what one expects. If someone gets one of these, and hopes it can replace a modern desktop/laptop, then that person will indeed be frustrated. I wanted to use mine as a router possibly running i2p and freenet as well, and I thought when I was getting it I had a good understanding of its limitations. It does the router part very well as I expected. It ran i2p well enough also, though I have since transferred that to my laptop for reasons unrelated to performance. The freenet node ran fine when it was idle. However putting some downloads in the queue made the freenet node slow to respond, and it crashed once a day or so.. I had hoped all of that would be otherwise, but am not surprised by the reality of things. The main job for my rpi2 is to be a router, and it does that very well so far. Yes, just the kind of use-case by someone experienced in the task that they are great for. I have a few on the shelf in front of me now, but haven't used them for a while. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
I have 3 raspberry pi's original B, B+, 2 B (quad) I'm using the B+ as a headless server for apt-cacher, I use for live-build's The 2 B I'm going to make a lightweight desktop, as it's better spec'd than my netbook and used less power. On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > > raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or > > was then) compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is > > compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is > > suitable > > Just to be clear, the rpi2 is based on a ARMv7. My rpi2 is running > devuan jessie nicely, as I have posted here a few months ago. > > > > It > > can also be used by experienced people willing to put time into > > making a single purpose kiosk style setup. But anyone hoping for a > > cheap, open general computer will be frustrated. It is quite a good > > learning tool though, since the community is big and helpful. > > I think that depends on what one expects. If someone gets one of > these, and hopes it can replace a modern desktop/laptop, then that > person will indeed be frustrated. I wanted to use mine as a router > possibly running i2p and freenet as well, and I thought when I was > getting it I had a good understanding of its limitations. It does the > router part very well as I expected. It ran i2p well enough also, > though I have since transferred that to my laptop for reasons unrelated > to performance. The freenet node ran fine when it was idle. However > putting some downloads in the queue made the freenet node slow to > respond, and it crashed once a day or so.. I had hoped all of that > would be otherwise, but am not surprised by the reality of things. The > main job for my rpi2 is to be a router, and it does that very well so far. > > Greg > > > -- > web site: http://www.gregn.net > gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your > contacts. > > -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or > was then) compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is > compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is > suitable Just to be clear, the rpi2 is based on a ARMv7. My rpi2 is running devuan jessie nicely, as I have posted here a few months ago. > It > can also be used by experienced people willing to put time into > making a single purpose kiosk style setup. But anyone hoping for a > cheap, open general computer will be frustrated. It is quite a good > learning tool though, since the community is big and helpful. I think that depends on what one expects. If someone gets one of these, and hopes it can replace a modern desktop/laptop, then that person will indeed be frustrated. I wanted to use mine as a router possibly running i2p and freenet as well, and I thought when I was getting it I had a good understanding of its limitations. It does the router part very well as I expected. It ran i2p well enough also, though I have since transferred that to my laptop for reasons unrelated to performance. The freenet node ran fine when it was idle. However putting some downloads in the queue made the freenet node slow to respond, and it crashed once a day or so.. I had hoped all of that would be otherwise, but am not surprised by the reality of things. The main job for my rpi2 is to be a router, and it does that very well so far. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On 08/02/16 07:15, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Gregory Nowak writes: On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 07:26:27PM +, KatolaZ wrote: I recently got one of those new raspberry pi zero. The little thing should have exactly the same hw of the first version of rpi. Hence, I thought I could have migrated it swiftly from raspbian (jessie) to devuan, and I was eager to post my report here. My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a ARMv6 chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, I'm afraid you're stuck with raspbian for now. The armhf wiki states that The lowest worthwhile CPU implementation is ARMv7-A but ARMv6 surely includes a FPU. raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or was then) compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is suitable ... raspbian is compiled to suit PIs. It was also made very lean, essentially for console use with X available when desired via startx or vncserver over a local connection. I think it may have quite a lot of modifications in the graphics area since the chip has its graphics processor on board, and it is broadcoms, and its specs are not fully released, and the raspberry team has very deep knowledge of this part (one of them at least was on the development team for it). I have mucked about a bit with its multimedia capacities ... both nice and frustrating at the same time. I believe is a platform that suits their release formats as a fairly bare board with minimal peripherals for incorporation in DIY embedded systems quite well. It can also be used by experienced people willing to put time into making a single purpose kiosk style setup. But anyone hoping for a cheap, open general computer will be frustrated. It is quite a good learning tool though, since the community is big and helpful. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
Gregory Nowak writes: > On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 07:26:27PM +, KatolaZ wrote: >> I recently got one of those new raspberry pi zero. The little thing >> should have exactly the same hw of the first version of rpi. Hence, I >> thought I could have migrated it swiftly from raspbian (jessie) to >> devuan, and I was eager to post my report here. > > My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a ARMv6 > chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, I'm afraid > you're stuck with raspbian for now. The armhf wiki states that The lowest worthwhile CPU implementation is ARMv7-A but ARMv6 surely includes a FPU. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 07:26:27PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > I recently got one of those new raspberry pi zero. The little thing > should have exactly the same hw of the first version of rpi. Hence, I > thought I could have migrated it swiftly from raspbian (jessie) to > devuan, and I was eager to post my report here. My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a ARMv6 chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, I'm afraid you're stuck with raspbian for now. > > Unfortunately, my enthusiasm left room to frustration. To cut a long > story short, apt-get dist-upgrade fails on unpacking bash_4.3, and in > particular it seems that the pre-installation script is bein killed > with SIGILL (Illegal Instruction). This seems to suggest that there > might be something wrong in how the devuan armhf packages are > compiled, or just an incompatibility due to rpi-zero. However, the > "normal" raspbian jessie runs smoothly (apart from the fact that, > notwistanding systemd, the boot still requires more than 90 > seconds...), hence it should be possible to have the correspoinding > devuan packages working... I'd say it's an incompatibility. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
KatolaZ writes: > Unfortunately, my enthusiasm left room to frustration. To cut a long > story short, apt-get dist-upgrade fails on unpacking bash_4.3, and in > particular it seems that the pre-installation script is bein killed > with SIGILL (Illegal Instruction). You could put bash on hold, echo 'bash hold' | dpkg --set-selections and see if the remaining installation succeeds. Or download the bash .deb by hand and try to install it via dpkg -i It should also be possible to get coredump from the SIGILL which would identify the exact program and the faulting instruction/ address. While I haven't written any ARM assembly[*] for some years, I'm confident to understand enough of an ARM binary to detemine if this is in fact an illegal instruction or something else, ie, flaky hardware, ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
Hi folks, I recently got one of those new raspberry pi zero. The little thing should have exactly the same hw of the first version of rpi. Hence, I thought I could have migrated it swiftly from raspbian (jessie) to devuan, and I was eager to post my report here. Unfortunately, my enthusiasm left room to frustration. To cut a long story short, apt-get dist-upgrade fails on unpacking bash_4.3, and in particular it seems that the pre-installation script is bein killed with SIGILL (Illegal Instruction). This seems to suggest that there might be something wrong in how the devuan armhf packages are compiled, or just an incompatibility due to rpi-zero. However, the "normal" raspbian jessie runs smoothly (apart from the fact that, notwistanding systemd, the boot still requires more than 90 seconds...), hence it should be possible to have the correspoinding devuan packages working... Any ideas? I also thought at some point that I could have dist-upgraded directly from (debian) jessie to (devuan) ascii, but has any of you tried this before? HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Migration
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello everybody My schedule was full, i want to know if we can migrate from stretch and what how can i do this. Do you know if there is a version of network-manager-gnome and co without systemd ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVeqApAAoJECB96dtv16eGp7AH/iveli/KzGgMtCbZM2RDolw/ KvFHE4/t59p9GcMMB/uPKi4exZ4A2irmOpg1YCjyMlYFQk92Kdq/p8pjFGDD1W4+ L60xvYzNIYhzY7KFUmMonF4NDLafiDnv/mz9R6U0ya5aI6riyD/QSWWq7CxiUSt/ TIQ2VKlg7a7Qip4vyFzD5RcK5p4fRGnw0K3PQypiYVLsqouuDmYNB4eh5pyEQJP/ gMP1Bj+KDN9W829YZ0jwQ6hiFGvldKU96T+uHMjRbLy2e4h8GUCAY5py6xAyZek1 JBG3ja4Zsr8LQVBFbCIbo1WNkY55Qz31bcRb6qlOdrIech+QFmyVyEENFeUVahA= =7wKc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
