Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 at 09:47:54 +0100
Alessandro Selli  wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 at 03:22:18 +0100
> Alessandro Selli  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 11:42:04 +0100
>> Jaromil  wrote:
>>  
>
> [...]
>
>>> For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
>>> publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
>>> https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/
>>> 
>>> So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
>>> experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line
>>> 
>>> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main
>>> 
>>> then apt update and 
>>> 
>>>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
>>> 
>>> currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7
>>> 
>>> those who were already testing our eudev package need to specify the
>>> full version, since we are switching to correct semantic versioning
>>> and dropping the "220" prefix inherited by bad versioning practices in
>>> udev:
>>> 
>>>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7
>>> 
>>> According to our tests it installs and it boots!
>>
>>   Yep, it does the same over here!  
>
>   After sending the above I found out a super-cool feature: eudev solves
> bug 154,

  Sorry, I meant bug #145.


Alessndro

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 at 03:22:18 +0100
Alessandro Selli  wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 11:42:04 +0100
> Jaromil  wrote:
>

[...]

>> For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
>> publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
>> https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/
>> 
>> So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
>> experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line
>> 
>> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main
>> 
>> then apt update and 
>> 
>>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
>> 
>> currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7
>> 
>> those who were already testing our eudev package need to specify the
>> full version, since we are switching to correct semantic versioning
>> and dropping the "220" prefix inherited by bad versioning practices in
>> udev:
>> 
>>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7
>> 
>> According to our tests it installs and it boots!  
>
>   Yep, it does the same over here!

  After sending the above I found out a super-cool feature: eudev solves
bug 154, "ASCII: System fails to shutdown/reboot with encrypted
filesystems": https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=145

  I still get the messages:

Stopping remaining crypto disks...sda2_crypt
(busy)...sda2_crypt busy..sda2_crypt (busy)...sda2_crypt
busy..sda2_crypt

but at the end the system does manage to shutdown by itself without me having
to keep the power button pressed.  I'm going to install eudev in all the
other affected machines, and even on non affected ones!  :-)


  Bye,


Alessandro
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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-12-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 11:42:04 +0100
Jaromil  wrote:

> dear DNG readers,
> 
> for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
> experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
> candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
> talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.
> 
> Beware this package DOES NOT WORK ON Jessie.
> 
> For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
> publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
> https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/
> 
> So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
> experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line
> 
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main
> 
> then apt update and 
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
> 
> currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7
> 
> those who were already testing our eudev package need to specify the
> full version, since we are switching to correct semantic versioning
> and dropping the "220" prefix inherited by bad versioning practices in
> udev:
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7
> 
> According to our tests it installs and it boots!

  Yep, it does the same over here!

[...]

> Among long term considerations on the advantages this move brings us,
> the immediate catch is that by installing eudev you will not see
> anymore the string "systemd" appear in your process list.

  Isn't that fantastically cool?  :-)

[...]

> Many thanks to all the Devuan team for the work being done towards
> ASCII and in particular to Parazyd and Svante Signell for maintaining
> the package and giving it the love it deserves.

  My kudos to the team!


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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-28 Thread aitor_czr

Hi Ed and Katolaz,

On 11/28/2017 10:57 AM, KatolaZ wrote:

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 08:44:54AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:

Since udev is an essential package, I am posting the output from
apt-get install -s eudev. Please, excuse my extra caution. udev still
seems to be installed although the version number is a weird 1.0.0.


The udev package that gets installed is a transitional dummy
package. It's empty. It has no file. It's just a way to force a clean
upgrade to eudev, You can even remove it after you install eudev.

HND

KatolaZ
Yes, a transitional dummy package is needed for that (initramfs-tools, 
xserver-xorg-core... depend on udev). I used another one in the case of 
vdev, named libvdev1. That was also an empty package allowing the 
removal of libudev1 in favor of libudev1-compat.


Thanks to Parazyd and Svante Signell for their work on the packaging of 
eudev.


Cheers,

  Aitor.



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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-28 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 08:44:54AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Since udev is an essential package, I am posting the output from
> apt-get install -s eudev. Please, excuse my extra caution. udev still
> seems to be installed although the version number is a weird 1.0.0.
> 

The udev package that gets installed is a transitional dummy
package. It's empty. It has no file. It's just a way to force a clean
upgrade to eudev, You can even remove it after you install eudev.

HND

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread Dave Turner

On 27/11/17 10:42, Jaromil wrote:

dear DNG readers,

for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.

Beware this package DOES NOT WORK ON Jessie.

For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/

So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line

deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main

then apt update and

   apt-get -t experimental install eudev

currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7

those who were already testing our eudev package need to specify the
full version, since we are switching to correct semantic versioning
and dropping the "220" prefix inherited by bad versioning practices in
udev:

   apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7

According to our tests it installs and it boots!

ii  eudev  3.2.2-devuan2.7
ii  libeudev1:amd643.2.2-devuan2.7
ii  libudev1   1:3.2.2-devuan2.7
ii  udev   1:3.2.2-devuan2.7

It goes the other way, too.

   apt-get install udev=232-25+deb9u1 libudev1=232-25+deb9u1

Still reboots. Just a config file remains. Not a problem.

rc  eudev  3.2.2-devuan2.7
ii  libudev1:amd64 232-25+deb9u1
ii  udev   232-25+deb9u1

Among long term considerations on the advantages this move brings us,
the immediate catch is that by installing eudev you will not see
anymore the string "systemd" appear in your process list.

For reports please use this thread (same subject!) or our git issues

https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/eudev

Many thanks to all the Devuan team for the work being done towards
ASCII and in particular to Parazyd and Svante Signell for maintaining
the package and giving it the love it deserves.

Wish you all a great week.

ciao
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I have been using the 220-eudev from experimental for awhile on my old 
Intel Apple iMac.


I did the

sudo apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7

there was a whinge about eudev being downgraded and then I rebooted.

Everything is still working fine.

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread Irrwahn
KatolaZ wrote on 27.11.2017 12:11:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:42:04AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
[SNIP]
>>
>>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
>>
>> currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7
[SNIP]
> 
> A more extensive testing of istallation in different multiarch
> environments would be welcome.

But with pleasure. :-)

Flawless installation via aptitude in interactive mode on my 
amd64 (+foreign-arch i386) kitchen-sink desktop machine 
running up-to-date ASCII, 
 replacing: udev 232-25+deb9u1
 with:  eudev 3.2.2-devuan2.7

Aptitude's second suggestion was the correct resolution for 
replacing the foreign architecture library libudev1:i386 
with its libeudev1:i386 counterpart. (To be fair, given the 
way the priorities are set, aptitude couldn't have possibly 
decided that on its own, as long as eudev resides only in 
experimental.)

No irregularities or apparent regressions after rebooting the 
machine. 

Thanks guys, and congratulations, that looks just fine!

Best regards
Urban
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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread leloft
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 13:07:45 +
KatolaZ  wrote:

> Nope, it shouldnt:
> 
> $ apt-cache policy eudev
> eudev:
>   Installed: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
>   Candidate: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
>   Version table:
>*** 3.2.2-devuan2.7 100
>   100 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan
> experimental/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
> 
> My2Cents
> 
> KatolaZ
> 
Guess I should have had a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/experimental
that contained 

Package: *  
Pin: release a=experimental 
Pin-Priority: 100 

You lives and you learns!

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:52:10PM +, leloft wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 11:11:20 +
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> 
> > A more extensive testing of istallation in different multiarch
> > environments would be welcome.
> > 
> > HND
> > 
> > KatolaZ
> >
> Seems good to me:
> 
> $dpkg --print-architecture
> amd64
> $ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
> i386
> $ apt-cache policy eudev
> eudev:
>   Installed: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
>   Candidate: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
>   Version table:
>  *** 3.2.2-devuan2.7 500
> 500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental/main
> amd64 Packages 
>   100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
> 
> Footnote:
> >There is nothing wrong in having experimental in your sources.list. It
> >gets Priority: 100, so nothing would be accidentally installed from
> >experimental. You have to specify "-t experimental".
> 
> Just for my own understanding, does the (presumably deliberate) use of
> the -t option assign it the higher priority (500)?
> 

Nope, it shouldnt:

$ apt-cache policy eudev
eudev:
  Installed: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
  Candidate: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
  Version table:
   *** 3.2.2-devuan2.7 100
  100 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan experimental/main amd64 
Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread leloft
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 11:11:20 +
KatolaZ  wrote:

> A more extensive testing of istallation in different multiarch
> environments would be welcome.
> 
> HND
> 
> KatolaZ
>
Seems good to me:

$dpkg --print-architecture
amd64
$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
i386
$ apt-cache policy eudev
eudev:
  Installed: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
  Candidate: 3.2.2-devuan2.7
  Version table:
 *** 3.2.2-devuan2.7 500
500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental/main
amd64 Packages 
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Footnote:
>There is nothing wrong in having experimental in your sources.list. It
>gets Priority: 100, so nothing would be accidentally installed from
>experimental. You have to specify "-t experimental".

Just for my own understanding, does the (presumably deliberate) use of
the -t option assign it the higher priority (500)?



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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Hi,

Am Mo den 27. Nov 2017 um 11:42 schrieb Jaromil:
> for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
> experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
> candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
> talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.
[...]
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev

Works great!

Finally I could get rid of one more pötering-crap! This just works after
the need to stick forever with version 215-18 of udev as later versions
was just broken. (With later versions of udev the system would not
reboot and heavy boot delays of 10 minutes and more)

This eudev package just work and it feels faster than udev 215-18.

If you ever come to the area of Zürich, I owe you a beer or two. :-)

Regards
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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 01:05:22PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Can I install eudev without having to use the experimental repository?

Yes, but you should wait until it gets in the main repo :)

There is nothing wrong in having experimental in your sources.list. It
gets Priority: 100, so nothing would be accidentally installed from
experimental. You have to specify "-t experimental".

HND

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2017-11-27 at 13:05 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Can I install eudev without having to use the experimental repository?

Add experimental temporarily to sources.list,
apt-get update,
apt-get download udev, etc.,
remove eperimental from sources.list

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:11:20AM +, KatolaZ wrote:

[cut]

> 
> Dear D1rs,
> 
> it looks like the package might have hiccups when multiarch is
> enabled. In particular, it seems that on amd64 with multiarch enabled
> and i386 active, the i386 package gets installed instead than the
> amd64 one. If this happens to you, just
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev:amd64
> 
> before rebooting, and please report it.
> 
> A more extensive testing of istallation in different multiarch
> environments would be welcome.
> 


I forgot to say that, apart from the hiccup mentioned above (which
could well be due to the fact that I had used previous versions of
eudev from experimental), eudev has been working brilliantly for me in
the last 6 months or so, in different ascii installations :)

HND

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:42:04AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> 
> dear DNG readers,
> 
> for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
> experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
> candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
> talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.
> 
> Beware this package DOES NOT WORK ON Jessie.
> 
> For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
> publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
> https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/
> 
> So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
> experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line
> 
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main
> 
> then apt update and 
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
> 
> currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7


Dear D1rs,

it looks like the package might have hiccups when multiarch is
enabled. In particular, it seems that on amd64 with multiarch enabled
and i386 active, the i386 package gets installed instead than the
amd64 one. If this happens to you, just

  apt-get -t experimental install eudev:amd64

before rebooting, and please report it.

A more extensive testing of istallation in different multiarch
environments would be welcome.

HND

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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
I forgot to mention: RDX drives got full funtionality back again :-)


Am Montag, 27. November 2017 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
> Hi!
> 
> 
> Am Montag, 27. November 2017 schrieb Jaromil:
> > 
> > dear DNG readers,
> > 
> > for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
> > experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
> > candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
> > talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.
> > 
> > Beware this package DOES NOT WORK ON Jessie.
> > 
> > For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
> > publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
> > https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/
> > 
> > So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
> > experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line
> > 
> > deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main
> > 
> > then apt update and 
> > 
> >   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
> > 
> > currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7
> > 
> > those who were already testing our eudev package need to specify the
> > full version, since we are switching to correct semantic versioning
> > and dropping the "220" prefix inherited by bad versioning practices in
> > udev:
> > 
> >   apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7
> > 
> > According to our tests it installs and it boots!
> > 
> > ii  eudev  3.2.2-devuan2.7
> > ii  libeudev1:amd643.2.2-devuan2.7
> > ii  libudev1   1:3.2.2-devuan2.7
> > ii  udev   1:3.2.2-devuan2.7
> > 
> > It goes the other way, too.
> > 
> >   apt-get install udev=232-25+deb9u1 libudev1=232-25+deb9u1
> > 
> > Still reboots. Just a config file remains. Not a problem.
> > 
> > rc  eudev  3.2.2-devuan2.7
> > ii  libudev1:amd64 232-25+deb9u1
> > ii  udev   232-25+deb9u1
> > 
> > Among long term considerations on the advantages this move brings us,
> > the immediate catch is that by installing eudev you will not see
> > anymore the string "systemd" appear in your process list.
> > 
> > For reports please use this thread (same subject!) or our git issues
> > 
> > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/eudev
> > 
> > Many thanks to all the Devuan team for the work being done towards
> > ASCII and in particular to Parazyd and Svante Signell for maintaining
> > the package and giving it the love it deserves.
> > 
> > Wish you all a great week.
> > 
> > ciao
> 
> 
> I just installed it on my laptop and after reboot all devices that have lost 
> hotplugging notification ability (cdrom, sdcard and "some" usb devices) in 
> the last years work again :-)
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Nik
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

2017-11-27 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Hi!


Am Montag, 27. November 2017 schrieb Jaromil:
> 
> dear DNG readers,
> 
> for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
> experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
> candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
> talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.
> 
> Beware this package DOES NOT WORK ON Jessie.
> 
> For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
> publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
> https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/
> 
> So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
> experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line
> 
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main
> 
> then apt update and 
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
> 
> currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7
> 
> those who were already testing our eudev package need to specify the
> full version, since we are switching to correct semantic versioning
> and dropping the "220" prefix inherited by bad versioning practices in
> udev:
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7
> 
> According to our tests it installs and it boots!
> 
> ii  eudev  3.2.2-devuan2.7
> ii  libeudev1:amd643.2.2-devuan2.7
> ii  libudev1   1:3.2.2-devuan2.7
> ii  udev   1:3.2.2-devuan2.7
> 
> It goes the other way, too.
> 
>   apt-get install udev=232-25+deb9u1 libudev1=232-25+deb9u1
> 
> Still reboots. Just a config file remains. Not a problem.
> 
> rc  eudev  3.2.2-devuan2.7
> ii  libudev1:amd64 232-25+deb9u1
> ii  udev   232-25+deb9u1
> 
> Among long term considerations on the advantages this move brings us,
> the immediate catch is that by installing eudev you will not see
> anymore the string "systemd" appear in your process list.
> 
> For reports please use this thread (same subject!) or our git issues
> 
> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/eudev
> 
> Many thanks to all the Devuan team for the work being done towards
> ASCII and in particular to Parazyd and Svante Signell for maintaining
> the package and giving it the love it deserves.
> 
> Wish you all a great week.
> 
> ciao


I just installed it on my laptop and after reboot all devices that have lost 
hotplugging notification ability (cdrom, sdcard and "some" usb devices) in the 
last years work again :-)

Thank you very much!

Nik



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