Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
Jean Weber wrote: Keith. The account owner could be an individual or a separate organisation. The OOo books, for example, were done through an account owned by an Australian not-for-profit organisation (which no longer exists). The LO books are currently being done through an account that I own. As Dennis notes, anyone can publish these books. The CC license on the books allows it. If I wanted to, I could set up another account in my own name for AOO books. Jean Jean; I would need to run that by the rest of the PMC and if they agree, then through legal@ and trademarks@ as both Apache and OpenOffice are registered trademarks of the ASF. I will let you know how it all works out. Regards Keith On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 9:00 AM Dennis Hamilton wrote: Keith, I suggest asking legal about this (with approval of the PMC as well). Get permission for the ASF logo as well. Considering that *anyone* can publish those books, with appropriate acknowledgment and indication of where the free digital ones can be found, it is unclear to me why such a thing, with proceeds to the ASF, would cross a line. That's way better than what people have done with the AOO distros on eBay and Amazon themselves. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 14:44 To: doc@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide? Jean; The problem I see with being able to do this is the owner of the account. Because ASF is a US 501(C)(3)Tax Exempt charity, neither it nor AOO can be the owner of the account as it would likely violate the terms of that status. Jean Weber wrote: [orcmid] [ .. ] So, the first things to decide are: 1) Do you want to sell through Amazon and other online retailers? Or would Lulu Bookstore be enough? 2) Who will be the account holder with whatever service is selected? Once an account is set up, one can publish a book. 3) Who will prepare the files for uploading? 4) Who will create the cover art? 5) Who will do the various publishing steps? These involve uploading a PDF for interior pages, creating and uploading a separate PDF for the cover, inputting other information and making various selections about paper type, black-and-white vs color interiors, pricing, etc.! But first! Do you want to print the book full-page-size (A4) or reduce the page size to something like 6x9-inch, which is a common trade paperback size. The cost of printing full size is much higher than printing smaller pages, but involves an extra step and software that not everyone has. I'm sure there's more that escapes me at the moment. Jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
Keith. The account owner could be an individual or a separate organisation. The OOo books, for example, were done through an account owned by an Australian not-for-profit organisation (which no longer exists). The LO books are currently being done through an account that I own. As Dennis notes, anyone can publish these books. The CC license on the books allows it. If I wanted to, I could set up another account in my own name for AOO books. Jean On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 9:00 AM Dennis Hamilton wrote: > > Keith, I suggest asking legal about this (with approval of the PMC as well). > Get permission for the ASF logo as well. > > Considering that *anyone* can publish those books, with appropriate > acknowledgment and indication of where the free digital ones can be found, it > is unclear to me why such a thing, with proceeds to the ASF, would cross a > line. > > That's way better than what people have done with the AOO distros on eBay and > Amazon themselves. > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Keith N. McKenna > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 14:44 > To: doc@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide? > > Jean; > > The problem I see with being able to do this is the owner of the account. > Because ASF is a US 501(C)(3)Tax Exempt charity, neither it nor AOO can be > the owner of the account as it would likely violate the terms of that status. > > > Jean Weber wrote: > [orcmid] [ .. ] > > So, the first things to decide are: > > 1) Do you want to sell through Amazon and other online retailers? Or > > would Lulu Bookstore be enough? > > 2) Who will be the account holder with whatever service is selected? > > > > Once an account is set up, one can publish a book. > > 3) Who will prepare the files for uploading? > > 4) Who will create the cover art? > > 5) Who will do the various publishing steps? These involve uploading a > > PDF for interior pages, creating and uploading a separate PDF for the > > cover, inputting other information and making various selections about > > paper type, black-and-white vs color interiors, pricing, etc.! > > > > But first! > > Do you want to print the book full-page-size (A4) or reduce the page > > size to something like 6x9-inch, which is a common trade paperback > > size. The cost of printing full size is much higher than printing > > smaller pages, but involves an extra step and software that not > > everyone has. > > > > I'm sure there's more that escapes me at the moment. > > > > Jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
Keith, I suggest asking legal about this (with approval of the PMC as well). Get permission for the ASF logo as well. Considering that *anyone* can publish those books, with appropriate acknowledgment and indication of where the free digital ones can be found, it is unclear to me why such a thing, with proceeds to the ASF, would cross a line. That's way better than what people have done with the AOO distros on eBay and Amazon themselves. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 14:44 To: doc@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide? Jean; The problem I see with being able to do this is the owner of the account. Because ASF is a US 501(C)(3)Tax Exempt charity, neither it nor AOO can be the owner of the account as it would likely violate the terms of that status. Jean Weber wrote: [orcmid] [ .. ] > So, the first things to decide are: > 1) Do you want to sell through Amazon and other online retailers? Or > would Lulu Bookstore be enough? > 2) Who will be the account holder with whatever service is selected? > > Once an account is set up, one can publish a book. > 3) Who will prepare the files for uploading? > 4) Who will create the cover art? > 5) Who will do the various publishing steps? These involve uploading a > PDF for interior pages, creating and uploading a separate PDF for the > cover, inputting other information and making various selections about > paper type, black-and-white vs color interiors, pricing, etc.! > > But first! > Do you want to print the book full-page-size (A4) or reduce the page > size to something like 6x9-inch, which is a common trade paperback > size. The cost of printing full size is much higher than printing > smaller pages, but involves an extra step and software that not > everyone has. > > I'm sure there's more that escapes me at the moment. > > Jean
Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
Jean; The problem I see with being able to do this is the owner of the account. Because ASF is a US 501(C)(3)Tax Exempt charity, neither it nor AOO can be the owner of the account as it would likely violate the terms of that status. Jean Weber wrote: Keith, POD (print on demand) is perfect for a group publishing project, because there is no inventory and no one has to take orders or fulfill sales, mail out books, etc. Once the book is uploaded to the POD service, that service takes orders, processes payments, prints and mails out the book, and (at specified intervals) sends any profit to the account holder. There is no upfront cost for using the service; the service provider takes a cut of sales. There are two common ways to publish POD books: 1) through Amazon Kindle Direct (AKD - which now does paperback books as well as ebooks) or 2) through Lulu. Some other services exist, but I'm unfamiliar with them. When I started doing this about 15 years ago, the only practical way to publish was through Lulu, and I've seen no reason to change. Lulu has its own online bookstore, and one can optionally choose "global distribution" to get a book into other online retailers such as Amazon. Some considerations regarding global distribution: 1) Global distribution from Lulu requires the book to have an ISBN, which may cost money to obtain (the amount varies greatly depending on several factors). If selling only through the Lulu bookstore, an ISBN is optional. I am not sure if an ISBN is required by AKD. 2) The requirements for the quality of the content in submitted PDFs are higher for global distribution. For example, the line weights in some screenshots may be too light to be acceptable, and all transparency needs to be removed. These requirements have become more strict in recent years. I assume they are the same for AKD. 3) The price to buyers is higher for books in global distribution, even for the copies sold through the Lulu bookstore. For these reasons, I have not used global distribution for several years although I did for awhile. I found that I got very few sales through Amazon compared to the sales directly through Lulu. Most people apparently weren't finding the books by searching; they were following links from relevant websites (OOo, LO, or my own sites). So, the first things to decide are: 1) Do you want to sell through Amazon and other online retailers? Or would Lulu Bookstore be enough? 2) Who will be the account holder with whatever service is selected? Once an account is set up, one can publish a book. 3) Who will prepare the files for uploading? 4) Who will create the cover art? 5) Who will do the various publishing steps? These involve uploading a PDF for interior pages, creating and uploading a separate PDF for the cover, inputting other information and making various selections about paper type, black-and-white vs color interiors, pricing, etc.! But first! Do you want to print the book full-page-size (A4) or reduce the page size to something like 6x9-inch, which is a common trade paperback size. The cost of printing full size is much higher than printing smaller pages, but involves an extra step and software that not everyone has. I'm sure there's more that escapes me at the moment. Jean On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 3:43 AM Keith N. McKenna wrote: Jean Weber wrote: Now that the Getting Started Guide for v4.1 is finished, what do you think about making printed copies available? As some of you know, I did this for OOo (and have been doing it for LO), publishing print-on-demand through Lulu .com and selling at only a bit above cost price as a service to those users who prefer a book on paper. Jean Jean; In general I would be in favor of it. I myself much prefer a bound book that I can mark-up and dog-ear pages. If you would send me details of all that would be involved, including any costs associated with it, I cam discuss it with the team, as well as take it to dev@ or the PMC as needed. If others that are following the list have thoughts on this Please feel free to share them. Regards Keith Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
That's a great account Jean, useful for many purposes - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jean Weber Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 22:34 To: doc@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide? Keith, POD (print on demand) is perfect for a group publishing project, because there is no inventory and no one has to take orders or fulfill sales, mail out books, etc. Once the book is uploaded to the POD service, that service takes orders, processes payments, prints and mails out the book, and (at specified intervals) sends any profit to the account holder. There is no upfront cost for using the service; the service provider takes a cut of sales. [orcmid] [ ... ] But first! Do you want to print the book full-page-size (A4) or reduce the page size to something like 6x9-inch, which is a common trade paperback size. The cost of printing full size is much higher than printing smaller pages, but involves an extra step and software that not everyone has. I'm sure there's more that escapes me at the moment. Jean [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
Keith, POD (print on demand) is perfect for a group publishing project, because there is no inventory and no one has to take orders or fulfill sales, mail out books, etc. Once the book is uploaded to the POD service, that service takes orders, processes payments, prints and mails out the book, and (at specified intervals) sends any profit to the account holder. There is no upfront cost for using the service; the service provider takes a cut of sales. There are two common ways to publish POD books: 1) through Amazon Kindle Direct (AKD - which now does paperback books as well as ebooks) or 2) through Lulu. Some other services exist, but I'm unfamiliar with them. When I started doing this about 15 years ago, the only practical way to publish was through Lulu, and I've seen no reason to change. Lulu has its own online bookstore, and one can optionally choose "global distribution" to get a book into other online retailers such as Amazon. Some considerations regarding global distribution: 1) Global distribution from Lulu requires the book to have an ISBN, which may cost money to obtain (the amount varies greatly depending on several factors). If selling only through the Lulu bookstore, an ISBN is optional. I am not sure if an ISBN is required by AKD. 2) The requirements for the quality of the content in submitted PDFs are higher for global distribution. For example, the line weights in some screenshots may be too light to be acceptable, and all transparency needs to be removed. These requirements have become more strict in recent years. I assume they are the same for AKD. 3) The price to buyers is higher for books in global distribution, even for the copies sold through the Lulu bookstore. For these reasons, I have not used global distribution for several years although I did for awhile. I found that I got very few sales through Amazon compared to the sales directly through Lulu. Most people apparently weren't finding the books by searching; they were following links from relevant websites (OOo, LO, or my own sites). So, the first things to decide are: 1) Do you want to sell through Amazon and other online retailers? Or would Lulu Bookstore be enough? 2) Who will be the account holder with whatever service is selected? Once an account is set up, one can publish a book. 3) Who will prepare the files for uploading? 4) Who will create the cover art? 5) Who will do the various publishing steps? These involve uploading a PDF for interior pages, creating and uploading a separate PDF for the cover, inputting other information and making various selections about paper type, black-and-white vs color interiors, pricing, etc.! But first! Do you want to print the book full-page-size (A4) or reduce the page size to something like 6x9-inch, which is a common trade paperback size. The cost of printing full size is much higher than printing smaller pages, but involves an extra step and software that not everyone has. I'm sure there's more that escapes me at the moment. Jean On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 3:43 AM Keith N. McKenna wrote: > > Jean Weber wrote: > > Now that the Getting Started Guide for v4.1 is finished, what do you > > think about making printed copies available? As some of you know, I > > did this for OOo (and have been doing it for LO), publishing > > print-on-demand through Lulu .com and selling at only a bit above cost > > price as a service to those users who prefer a book on paper. > > > > Jean > > > Jean; > > In general I would be in favor of it. I myself much prefer a bound book > that I can mark-up and dog-ear pages. > > If you would send me details of all that would be involved, including > any costs associated with it, I cam discuss it with the team, as well as > take it to dev@ or the PMC as needed. > > If others that are following the list have thoughts on this Please feel > free to share them. > > Regards > Keith > > Regards > Keith > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
I too think that a print version is a welcome idea. On Thu 9. Jun 2022 at 19:43, Keith N. McKenna wrote: > Jean Weber wrote: > > Now that the Getting Started Guide for v4.1 is finished, what do you > > think about making printed copies available? As some of you know, I > > did this for OOo (and have been doing it for LO), publishing > > print-on-demand through Lulu .com and selling at only a bit above cost > > price as a service to those users who prefer a book on paper. > > > > Jean > > > Jean; > > In general I would be in favor of it. I myself much prefer a bound book > that I can mark-up and dog-ear pages. > > If you would send me details of all that would be involved, including > any costs associated with it, I cam discuss it with the team, as well as > take it to dev@ or the PMC as needed. > > If others that are following the list have thoughts on this Please feel > free to share them. > > Regards > Keith > > Regards > Keith > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
Jean Weber wrote: Now that the Getting Started Guide for v4.1 is finished, what do you think about making printed copies available? As some of you know, I did this for OOo (and have been doing it for LO), publishing print-on-demand through Lulu .com and selling at only a bit above cost price as a service to those users who prefer a book on paper. Jean Jean; In general I would be in favor of it. I myself much prefer a bound book that I can mark-up and dog-ear pages. If you would send me details of all that would be involved, including any costs associated with it, I cam discuss it with the team, as well as take it to dev@ or the PMC as needed. If others that are following the list have thoughts on this Please feel free to share them. Regards Keith Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Print copies of Getting Started Guide?
Now that the Getting Started Guide for v4.1 is finished, what do you think about making printed copies available? As some of you know, I did this for OOo (and have been doing it for LO), publishing print-on-demand through Lulu .com and selling at only a bit above cost price as a service to those users who prefer a book on paper. Jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: doc-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: doc-h...@openoffice.apache.org
