Fw: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
This email bounced due to spamcop: Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:26:24 +0300 From: Shlomi Fish To: Eric Streit Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation Hi Eric, On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:41:19 +0200 Eric Streit wrote: > thanks! > You should thank Norman - not me. Please reply to list: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/netiquette/email/reply-to-list.html > Eric > > Le 29/07/2020 à 09:40, Shlomi Fish a écrit : > > Hi, Norman! > > > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:12:03 +0100 > > Norman Tovey-Walsh wrote: > > > >> Hello world, > >> > >> A few days ago, I released the first version of the DocBook xslTNG > >> Stylesheets. These are a complete rewrite of DocBook to HTML stylesheets > >> in XSLT 3.0. > >> > >> The goal of the stylesheets is to produce clean, semantically rich > >> HTML(5) that can be beautifully rendered with CSS (and a dash or two of > >> JavaScript, if you wish) in the browser and in print. I’ve done my best > >> in all cases to make sure that the presentations are accessible. If you > >> find something that isn’t accessible, please report it. > >> > >> I made the 1.1.1 release yesterday. (The small fix over 1.0.0 from > >> Friday is that annotations are now more accessible.) > >> > >> See https://xsltng.docbook.org/ for details. > >> > >> Or https://so.nwalsh.com/2020/07/25-docbook-xsltng for more blather > >> about it from me. > >> > > > > Thanks for your work, and for sharing it! > > > >> Be seeing you, > >> norm > >> > >> -- > >> Norman Tovey-Walsh > >> https://nwalsh.com/ > >> > >>> Wit consists in seeing the resemblance between things which differ, and > >>> the difference between things which are alike.--Madame De Stæl > > > > > > -- Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/ https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Emma-Watson/ In the Technion, there are many ways to get from one place to the other, but they are all the same length. — https://www.shlomifish.org/humour.html Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - https://shlom.in/reply . -- Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/ Freecell Solver - https://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/ “God is dead.” — Nietzsche “Nietzsche is dead.” — God “Nietzsche is God.” — dead(via fortune-mod) Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - https://shlom.in/reply . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
> I suspect I'm not part of this "we", but for a different "we": we get > them via dblatex + (Xe)LaTeX. Yes. I’m interested in this too. Peter Flynn and I have corresponded on the topic a few times. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Tovey-Walsh https://nwalsh.com/ > When you don’t create things, you become defined by your tastes rather > than ability. Your tastes only narrow and exclude people. So > create.--Why the Lucky Stiff signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
> Thanks Norm. Yes, that can be an interesting way. I've heard about that, but > I'm not so much into this topic ATM. As far as I know, the above tools are > commercial. Do you know an open source solution? https://www.print-css.rocks/ lists a couple in addition to AH and PrinceXML. I haven’t tried them. I’m surprised there aren’t more, TBH. > I can fully understand your position. :) I'm sure it's fun, especially when > you come from a XSLT 1.0 background. That's a huge step forward. On the other > side, it's also a huge task, I guess. ;) It’s bigger than a bread box, perhaps, but it’s not a gargantuan task. The FO stylesheets in the 1.0 and 2.0 projects probably contain most of the answers one needs, it’s just a question of restructuring them into modern, XSLT 3.0 with a rationalized set of options. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Tovey-Walsh https://nwalsh.com/ > 'All is vanity,' saith the Preacher. But if all were only vanity, who > would mind? Alas, it is too often worse than vanity: agony, darkness, > death also.--Thomas Hardy signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
On 7/29/2020 11:10 AM, Thomas Schraitle wrote: Just for clarification: how do we get PDF thesedays? I suspect I'm not part of this "we", but for a different "we": we get them via dblatex + (Xe)LaTeX. That gave us the ability to mix left-to-right and right-to-left scripts and still get well-typeset results, as well as typesetting tables that ran > 1 page (maybe that's doable with other methods, not sure), and interlinear text examples (which "we" linguists like to use, but are quite difficult to typeset without LaTeX tools). But I suspect most people don't have our needs, so for most of you this would be overkill. -- Mike Maxwell "I may not remember, but I never forget." --Social Crimes, Jane Stanton Hitchcock - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
Hi, On Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2020 17:24:24 CEST you wrote: > [...] > > Does the new stylesheets create PDFs through a HTML -> browser -> PDF > > workflow? Or will there be separate XSL-FO stylesheets at some day? > > My current thinking is that HTML+CSS through some tool like AntennaHouse > Formatter or PrinceXML (or other similar tools) is the way forward. Thanks Norm. Yes, that can be an interesting way. I've heard about that, but I'm not so much into this topic ATM. As far as I know, the above tools are commercial. Do you know an open source solution? > If I > had the time, I’d be happy to work on XSL FO stylesheets. But I don’t > want to do the job badly and I don’t have the time to do it well. I can fully understand your position. :) I'm sure it's fun, especially when you come from a XSLT 1.0 background. That's a huge step forward. On the other side, it's also a huge task, I guess. ;) > [...] Thanks! -- Gruß/Regards Thomas Schraitle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
>> The goal of the stylesheets is to produce clean, semantically rich >> HTML(5) that can be beautifully rendered with CSS (and a dash or two of >> JavaScript, if you wish) in the browser and in print. [...] > > Just for clarification: how do we get PDF thesedays? > > Does the new stylesheets create PDFs through a HTML -> browser -> PDF > workflow? Or will there be separate XSL-FO stylesheets at some day? My current thinking is that HTML+CSS through some tool like AntennaHouse Formatter or PrinceXML (or other similar tools) is the way forward. If I had the time, I’d be happy to work on XSL FO stylesheets. But I don’t want to do the job badly and I don’t have the time to do it well. The xslTNG distribution includes HTML-for-paged-media customizations that (almost) generate reasonable results. I’ll have a PDF version of the reference guide as an example “real soon now”. (There are a couple of issues I still want to fix.) I know that some folks will be disappointed by the lack of XSL FO support. Programming in XSLT 3.0 is fun, if someone wants to work on the task! :-) All I ask is that they be well tested and well documented. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Tovey-Walsh https://nwalsh.com/ > You look wise. Pray correct that error.--Charles Lamb signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
Hi Norman, On Dienstag, 28. Juli 2020 18:12:03 CEST Norman Tovey-Walsh wrote: > > A few days ago, I released the first version of the DocBook xslTNG > Stylesheets. These are a complete rewrite of DocBook to HTML stylesheets > in XSLT 3.0. This is a huge step forward! Many thanks! > The goal of the stylesheets is to produce clean, semantically rich > HTML(5) that can be beautifully rendered with CSS (and a dash or two of > JavaScript, if you wish) in the browser and in print. [...] Just for clarification: how do we get PDF thesedays? Does the new stylesheets create PDFs through a HTML -> browser -> PDF workflow? Or will there be separate XSL-FO stylesheets at some day? Thanks for clarification! :) -- Gruß/Regards Thomas Schraitle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
Hi, Norman! On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:12:03 +0100 Norman Tovey-Walsh wrote: > Hello world, > > A few days ago, I released the first version of the DocBook xslTNG > Stylesheets. These are a complete rewrite of DocBook to HTML stylesheets > in XSLT 3.0. > > The goal of the stylesheets is to produce clean, semantically rich > HTML(5) that can be beautifully rendered with CSS (and a dash or two of > JavaScript, if you wish) in the browser and in print. I’ve done my best > in all cases to make sure that the presentations are accessible. If you > find something that isn’t accessible, please report it. > > I made the 1.1.1 release yesterday. (The small fix over 1.0.0 from > Friday is that annotations are now more accessible.) > > See https://xsltng.docbook.org/ for details. > > Or https://so.nwalsh.com/2020/07/25-docbook-xsltng for more blather > about it from me. > Thanks for your work, and for sharing it! > Be seeing you, > norm > > -- > Norman Tovey-Walsh > https://nwalsh.com/ > > > Wit consists in seeing the resemblance between things which differ, and > > the difference between things which are alike.--Madame De Stæl -- Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/ https://is.gd/htwEXQ - Integrating GNU Guile into GNU coreutils Well I don't see why I have to make one man miserable when I can make so many men happy. — Ellyn Mustard, about marriage (via fortune-mod). Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - https://shlom.in/reply . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
[docbook-apps] DocBook XSL: The Next Generation
Hello world, A few days ago, I released the first version of the DocBook xslTNG Stylesheets. These are a complete rewrite of DocBook to HTML stylesheets in XSLT 3.0. The goal of the stylesheets is to produce clean, semantically rich HTML(5) that can be beautifully rendered with CSS (and a dash or two of JavaScript, if you wish) in the browser and in print. I’ve done my best in all cases to make sure that the presentations are accessible. If you find something that isn’t accessible, please report it. I made the 1.1.1 release yesterday. (The small fix over 1.0.0 from Friday is that annotations are now more accessible.) See https://xsltng.docbook.org/ for details. Or https://so.nwalsh.com/2020/07/25-docbook-xsltng for more blather about it from me. Be seeing you, norm -- Norman Tovey-Walsh https://nwalsh.com/ > Wit consists in seeing the resemblance between things which differ, and > the difference between things which are alike.--Madame De Stæl signature.asc Description: PGP signature
