Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Reply-to

2012-08-19 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi,
Am 18.08.2012 21:59, schrieb Jean Weber:



Some lists have requested to have the Reply function returned to what
it was before: replying to the list.

Personally I prefer it to work that way. If the active members of this
group would like the reply function changed back, I can ask for that
change to be made. If most people prefer the new way, or no one cares
one way or the other, that's okay with me.


There's one big reason to let it in the new way for international 
documentation team:
We have postings from people who aren't subscriped to the documentations 
ml. If one of the answerer didn't recognize this his answer never 
reached the first person.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Reply-to

2012-08-18 Thread Jean Weber
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:
 Hi all,
 you may have already noticed: If you want to reply to a posting, you need
 not to click on Reply button, but you have to click on reply all or
 answer list button. Otherwise you send your reply only to the writer of
 the e-mail.
 Reply all maybe send to the list by CC and the response directly to the
 poster. Therefore it requires some reworking in order to get no
 cross-posting.

 Perhaps it will be a little confusing in the near future, and some post does
 not reach the list, but we get used to it. So check always your e-mail
 arrives on the list. And I think, it is not necessarily even to send it the
 person too.


Some lists have requested to have the Reply function returned to what
it was before: replying to the list.

Personally I prefer it to work that way. If the active members of this
group would like the reply function changed back, I can ask for that
change to be made. If most people prefer the new way, or no one cares
one way or the other, that's okay with me.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Reply-to

2012-08-18 Thread Dan

Jean Weber wrote:

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:

Hi all,
you may have already noticed: If you want to reply to a posting, you need
not to click on Reply button, but you have to click on reply all or
answer list button. Otherwise you send your reply only to the writer of
the e-mail.
Reply all maybe send to the list by CC and the response directly to the
poster. Therefore it requires some reworking in order to get no
cross-posting.

Perhaps it will be a little confusing in the near future, and some post does
not reach the list, but we get used to it. So check always your e-mail
arrives on the list. And I think, it is not necessarily even to send it the
person too.



Some lists have requested to have the Reply function returned to what
it was before: replying to the list.

Personally I prefer it to work that way. If the active members of this
group would like the reply function changed back, I can ask for that
change to be made. If most people prefer the new way, or no one cares
one way or the other, that's okay with me.

--Jean


 I prefer to have it changed back to what it was.

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Reply-to

2012-08-15 Thread Lailah

I don't have problems with Reply-to


Regards,
Sylvia


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[libreoffice-documentation] Reply-to

2012-08-12 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi all,
you may have already noticed: If you want to reply to a posting, you 
need not to click on Reply button, but you have to click on reply 
all or answer list button. Otherwise you send your reply only to the 
writer of the e-mail.
Reply all maybe send to the list by CC and the response directly to 
the poster. Therefore it requires some reworking in order to get no 
cross-posting.


Perhaps it will be a little confusing in the near future, and some post 
does not reach the list, but we get used to it. So check always your 
e-mail arrives on the list. And I think, it is not necessarily even to 
send it the person too.


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k-j

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[libreoffice-documentation] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-12 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed 
(so-called Reply to mangling has been disabled).


So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other 
words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were 
automatically sent directly to the list.


In the past, this lead to two major problems:

1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, 
where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case 
where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of 
worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people 
hit reply and thought it would reply to the sender only.


2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working 
with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because 
of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also 
led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who 
needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden 
with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just 
one way to find out...


Therefore, I have applied a change:

Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You 
either need to use the reply to all feature of your e-mail program, or 
- preferably - the reply to list/reply to group feature, which will 
direct replies directly to the list.


This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default 
setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel 
here. Those seeking for details should have a look at 
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the 
outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, 
so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your 
understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable 
with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists 
are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those 
two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are 
mutually exclusive to each other.


In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and 
again, I beg for your understanding.


Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the 
community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you 
is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or 
not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will 
immediately switch back to the old behaviour.


Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm 
somehow sitting between two chairs here.


Florian

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