Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
Hi :) I think the silvery theme was carefully chosen to almost match one of the standard Windows ones. We can't cover each and every theme. It's better to aim for being consistent within the documentation. Also the silvery one is clearer for accessibility purposes. I don't know the name, i think it is called "Galaxy" in Ubuntu. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 19/10/11, Hazel Russman wrote: > From: Hazel Russman > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 19 October, 2011, 11:33 > I am using the Galaxy theme (which is > what we used for OOo.org documentation)under Linux. If I > should be using a different theme, please tell me. > > If the dialogs really do look different in Windows, maybe a > note should be included at the beginning of the book - > possibly where the list of Mac keys is. > -- > Hazel Russman > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived > and cannot be deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 20:41, Tom Davies wrote: > I think the silvery theme was carefully chosen to almost match one of the > standard Windows ones. We can't cover each and every theme. It's better to > aim for being consistent within the documentation. Also the silvery one is > clearer for accessibility purposes. I don't know the name, i think it is > called "Galaxy" in Ubuntu. The Ubuntu theme is called XP Silver. Galaxy is the icon set. Some of the pix in the book are taken from Windows XP or Windows 7, or from different themes in Ubuntu. Changing them all to be consistent is low on the priority list (see lots of previous correspondence on this topic). Besides, having them all consistent doesn't mean they will look like what the user sees. We just have to live with the fact that no matter what we do, LO won't look exactly the same on everyone's systems. See also comments interspersed in Hazel's note below. > --- On Wed, 19/10/11, Hazel Russman wrote: >> I am using the Galaxy theme (which is >> what we used for OOo.org documentation)under Linux. If I >> should be using a different theme, please tell me. You're fine. See above for my comments on Galaxy and themes. >> If the dialogs really do look different in Windows, maybe a >> note should be included at the beginning of the book - >> possibly where the list of Mac keys is. Yes, unfortunately it's probably necessary to keep reminding people that things look different on different systems. We do already mention in several places (including in Chapter 2) that some *fields* appear only on Windows, or only on Mac, or only on Linux, and we mention the LO Open/Save dialogs being different. But we haven't been reminding people that the general appearance may differ from what they see. We also mention in several places that the "expansion symbol" is a triangle on some o/s and a + on others. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
Forgot to say: I haven't had a chance to look at the other issue Hazel mentioned, about some list boxes being replaced by long buttons. At this point I don't know if that varies with o/s or if it's an overall change. Anyway, Hazel, thanks for bringing this to our attention. It's definitely worth checking on. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
Hazel, I don't understand what you mean by "long buttons". Can you give me an example of where to find some? I don't see anything different on my Mac or Ubuntu 11.04 from what's in Chapter 2, but I haven't looked on Windows. --Jean On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 21:22, Jean Weber wrote: > Forgot to say: I haven't had a chance to look at the other issue Hazel > mentioned, about some list boxes being replaced by long buttons. At > this point I don't know if that varies with o/s or if it's an overall > change. > > Anyway, Hazel, thanks for bringing this to our attention. It's > definitely worth checking on. > > --Jean > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:41:34 +1000 Jean Weber wrote: > Hazel, I don't understand what you mean by "long buttons". Can you > give me an example of where to find some? I don't see anything > different on my Mac or Ubuntu 11.04 from what's in Chapter 2, but I > haven't looked on Windows. Look in tools>options>view and you'll see quite a few of them. They look raised in relief, not recessed like the spin boxes. -- Hazel Russman -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 23:16, Hazel Russman wrote: > On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:41:34 +1000 > Jean Weber wrote: > >> Hazel, I don't understand what you mean by "long buttons". Can you >> give me an example of where to find some? I don't see anything >> different on my Mac or Ubuntu 11.04 from what's in Chapter 2, but I >> haven't looked on Windows. > > Look in tools>options>view and you'll see quite a few of them. They look > raised in relief, not recessed like the spin boxes. When I change the Ubuntu theme to one of its defaults (Ambiance or Radiance), they look as you describe. When I use the XP-Silver theme they look as shown in the existing chapters of the user guides. On Windows 7 and Windows XP, they look as shown in the user guides. On the Mac they're subtly different (gray but flat). --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:55:47 +1000 Jean Weber wrote: > When I change the Ubuntu theme to one of its defaults (Ambiance or > Radiance), they look as you describe. When I use the XP-Silver theme > they look as shown in the existing chapters of the user guides. > > On Windows 7 and Windows XP, they look as shown in the user guides. On > the Mac they're subtly different (gray but flat). I don't have these names. On my system, the available themes are Galaxy (default), High Contrast, Crystal, Tango and Oxygen.I use Galaxy. Where does XP-Silver come from? Is it an extension? -- Hazel Russman -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:51:33 +0100 Hazel Russman wrote: > > Where does XP-Silver come from? Is it an extension? > -- > Hazel Russman > Hi Hazel Michele Zarri put the following zip file together a few years ago: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3605254/ubuntu-xp-silver-theme.zip The instructions he wrote are: Win XP Silver-like theme for Ubuntu Installing the theme is fairly straightfoward. 1) Go to System > Preferences > Appearance and stay in the Themes page. 2) Save your current theme in order to be able to revert to it. 3) Drag and drop the file GTK2-WinXp etc.. and select the option to use it immediately. This is not a full theme, but only the "controls" part. (If you press the Customize button you will notice that a theme is formed by Controls, Colours, Window Borders, Icons and Pointers). If you go to controls, the last entry should read WinXP-Silver. 4) Drag and drop the XP-SilverWindow etc.. file in the Appearance dialog and again select use immediately. This is the windows borders part of the theme. It is 99% based on a theme I found on art.gnome.org, but I needed to modify the shade applied to the title (just removing a couple of lines from the XML file). 5) to finish the transformation, you can select Verdana as the font for the Window Titles. 6) save the new theme. Both the components of the theme were found at art.gnome.org where you experiment with many other combinations (probably you will even find something better... as I said I did not spend more than an hour on this. Michele Zarri 3 May 2008 Martin -- Martin J Fox 马丁·福克斯 mar...@mjfox.ch buti...@bluewin.ch ___ VK7MM/HB9TQX www.mjfox.ch / www.badwolf.ch QQ 1472808085 / MSN buti...@hotmail.com I Didn't Climb to the Top of the Food Chain to Be a Vegetarian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:29:25 +0200 Martin Fox wrote: -- Hazel Russman -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:29:25 +0200 Martin Fox wrote: > Installing the theme is fairly straightfoward. > Maybe it is if you use Ubuntu! I don't have either Ubuntu or Gnome so I don't have access to these graphical tools. I use Crux with openbox as my window manager, which means I have to do most things by hand. I've found the other LO themes in /usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/share/config and I've put the new theme in there and chowned and chmoded it to match the others, but there seems to be something else that needs to be altered to make LO pick it up. -- Hazel Russman ps: sorry for abortive send earlier -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
Hazel, what you have listed are *LO icon themes*. What Martin and I are talking about are *user interface themes*, which are not the same thing -- they are part of the window manager, not LO's configuration. But unless you are taking screen captures, it does not matter what user interface theme you are using. Please don't be concerned that the appearance of the drop down lists etc is a bit different on your machine. The icons will be the same because you have chosen Galaxy, so you can check whether screenshots in user guides are out of date. --Jean On 21/10/2011, at 2:34, Hazel Russman wrote: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:29:25 +0200 > Martin Fox wrote: > >> Installing the theme is fairly straightfoward. >> > Maybe it is if you use Ubuntu! I don't have either Ubuntu or Gnome so I don't > have access to these graphical tools. I use Crux with openbox as my window > manager, which means I have to do most things by hand. > > I've found the other LO themes in /usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/share/config > and I've put the new theme in there and chowned and chmoded it to match the > others, but there seems to be something else that needs to be altered to make > LO pick it up. > -- > Hazel Russman > ps: sorry for abortive send earlier > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Appearance of dialogs: re earlier remarks
No, is a theme for desktop and windows, as Radiance, Clearlooks, Oxygen and others. In Gnome I guess... Hope this helps Sylvia El jue, 20-10-2011 a las 14:51 +0100, Hazel Russman escribió: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:55:47 +1000 > Jean Weber wrote: > > > When I change the Ubuntu theme to one of its defaults (Ambiance or > > Radiance), they look as you describe. When I use the XP-Silver theme > > they look as shown in the existing chapters of the user guides. > > > > On Windows 7 and Windows XP, they look as shown in the user guides. On > > the Mac they're subtly different (gray but flat). > > I don't have these names. On my system, the available themes are Galaxy > (default), High Contrast, Crystal, Tango and Oxygen.I use Galaxy. > > Where does XP-Silver come from? Is it an extension? > -- > Hazel Russman > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
