[Dorset] Fan speed control
This all started out as a desire to control the fan speed on this computer. In XP I use Speedfan. First, to measure the speed I installed Conky. Problem 1: I cannot figure out how to display the fan speed, but I have got the acpi temperature showing. Problem 2: Every time I start an application from the desktop, like mail or firefox, conky disappears. It is still running so I have to find it and kill it. Problem 3: My mail application seesm to have decided that my password is no longer valid, so I have had a week without mail, until I changed the LUG to another mail supplier. (There are still a pile of things that send mail to my old address, but until I can get in to that I don't know what they all are.) That's a Onetel problem. Can anybody advise on 1 2. I am on Kubuntu 10.1 Peter M. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Fan speed control
Hi Peter, First, to measure the speed I installed Conky. Problem 1: I cannot figure out how to display the fan speed, but I have got the acpi temperature showing. I don't know about Conky, but in the past I'm used sensors(1) from the lm-sensors package. It's old and not properly configured on this machine, but it tries to show things like it87-isa-0290 Adapter: ISA adapter VCore 1: +1.58 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) VCore 2: +2.51 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) +3.3V: +3.23 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) +5V: +3.47 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +6.85 V) +12V:+5.38 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +16.32 V) -12V: -15.21 V (min = -27.36 V, max = +3.93 V) -5V: -7.27 V (min = -13.64 V, max = +4.03 V) Stdby: +2.69 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +6.85 V) VBat:+3.18 V fan1: 3924 RPM (min =0 RPM, div = 8) fan2: 0 RPM (min =0 RPM, div = 8) M/B Temp:+40.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +75.0°C) sensor = transistor CPU Temp:+41.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +75.0°C) sensor = transistor Temp3: +35.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +75.0°C) sensor = transistor Once lm-sensors is thrown into Google I get search results including http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/127/how-to-control-fan-speed-lm-sensors-in-ubuntu http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control and others. Perhaps that'll help. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
[Dorset] That's that.
Fedora is simply dreadful. I'm aborting it. If it was a baby, it would be Eraserhead. Next candidate: Simply Mepis 8.5. It's a KDE, I would rather have Gnome, but I will give it a try. Simono -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Saturday 29 May 2010 13:09:17 Simon O'Riordan wrote: Fedora is simply dreadful. I'm aborting it. If it was a baby, it would be Eraserhead. Next candidate: Simply Mepis 8.5. It's a KDE, I would rather have Gnome, but I will give it a try. Simono If you need any assistances with Simply Mepis 8.5 then check out thse two links http://www.mepislovers.org/index.php http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Main_Page If you really want Gnome then check out http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Replacing_KDM_with_GDM Tim -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:23 +0100, Tim wrote: On Saturday 29 May 2010 13:09:17 Simon O'Riordan wrote: Fedora is simply dreadful. I'm aborting it. If it was a baby, it would be Eraserhead. Next candidate: Simply Mepis 8.5. It's a KDE, I would rather have Gnome, but I will give it a try. Simono If you need any assistances with Simply Mepis 8.5 then check out thse two links http://www.mepislovers.org/index.php http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Main_Page If you really want Gnome then check out http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Replacing_KDM_with_GDM Tim Thanks Tim. Won't be changing horses quite that soon, as I'm nearly through getting Mepis now and my ISP are probably getting worried by the huge spike this month. Simono -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Fan speed control
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:31 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Peter, First, to measure the speed I installed Conky. Problem 1: I cannot figure out how to display the fan speed, but I have got the acpi temperature showing. I don't know about Conky, but in the past I'm used sensors(1) from the lm-sensors package. It's old and not properly configured on this machine, but it tries to show things like it87-isa-0290 Adapter: ISA adapter VCore 1: +1.58 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) VCore 2: +2.51 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) +3.3V: +3.23 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) +5V: +3.47 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +6.85 V) +12V:+5.38 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +16.32 V) -12V: -15.21 V (min = -27.36 V, max = +3.93 V) -5V: -7.27 V (min = -13.64 V, max = +4.03 V) Stdby: +2.69 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +6.85 V) VBat:+3.18 V fan1: 3924 RPM (min =0 RPM, div = 8) fan2: 0 RPM (min =0 RPM, div = 8) M/B Temp:+40.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +75.0°C) sensor = transistor CPU Temp:+41.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +75.0°C) sensor = transistor Temp3: +35.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +75.0°C) sensor = transistor Once lm-sensors is thrown into Google I get search results including http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/127/how-to-control-fan-speed-lm-sensors-in-ubuntu http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control and others. Perhaps that'll help. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset Apt-get cannot find lm-sensors. And from that first link pwmconfig gives the result: /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed There seems to be plenty of files in . / docs and in /lib/dpkg/info But it doesn't seem to work. P. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Fan speed control
Hi Peter, I don't know about Conky, but in the past I'm used sensors(1) from the lm-sensors package. Apt-get cannot find lm-sensors. That's odd. It seems to be available. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lm-sensors Does dpkg -l '*sens*' list it? Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:59 +0100, Dan Dart wrote: Fedora is simply dreadful. Why? I've never tried it so please enlighten me on why it sucks so much. Networking hobbled. Kernel crashes. Feeble standard repositories. Sound disappears. Sound controls disappear too. Can't be configured for Samba. Video editor programmes 'unstart'. Freezes at kernel level on boot up-login. Apart from that, it's brilliant! -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
Networking hobbled. Kernel crashes. Feeble standard repositories. Sound disappears. Sound controls disappear too. Can't be configured for Samba. Video editor programmes 'unstart'. Freezes at kernel level on boot up-login. Apart from that, it's brilliant! Ubuntu has: Networking hobbled. (Occasionally) NetworkManager disappears Logoff button disappears No session management in System Woohoo, distro bashing! That means I can make mine perfect. :P -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:24 +0100, Dan Dart wrote: Networking hobbled. Kernel crashes. Feeble standard repositories. Sound disappears. Sound controls disappear too. Can't be configured for Samba. Video editor programmes 'unstart'. Freezes at kernel level on boot up-login. Apart from that, it's brilliant! Ubuntu has: Networking hobbled. (Occasionally) NetworkManager disappears Logoff button disappears No session management in System Woohoo, distro bashing! That means I can make mine perfect. :P Those are just the faults I can recall. Believe me, I haven't had those problems you mention with 9.10 or 10.04 Ubuntu, and it has worked 'out of the box. Meanwhile, the SimpleMepis auto partitioning is U/S, and I've tried a manual partition which seems to be working. It is quite a nice system, and the Wireless connection has one of those nice GUI's for ranging. *Like*. Simono -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:43 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:24 +0100, Dan Dart wrote: Networking hobbled. Kernel crashes. Feeble standard repositories. Sound disappears. Sound controls disappear too. Can't be configured for Samba. Video editor programmes 'unstart'. Freezes at kernel level on boot up-login. Apart from that, it's brilliant! Ubuntu has: Networking hobbled. (Occasionally) NetworkManager disappears Logoff button disappears No session management in System Woohoo, distro bashing! That means I can make mine perfect. :P Those are just the faults I can recall. Believe me, I haven't had those problems you mention with 9.10 or 10.04 Ubuntu, and it has worked 'out of the box. Meanwhile, the SimpleMepis auto partitioning is U/S, and I've tried a manual partition which seems to be working. It is quite a nice system, and the Wireless connection has one of those nice GUI's for ranging. *Like*. Simono SimplyMEPIS? Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Look, boys, I've already got a job. What do I need this grief for? -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
SimplyMEPIS? Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Look, boys, I've already got a job. What do I need this grief for? Actually I'm having some success with the Mepis boys' product. Still not as easy as Ubuntu, but I am still at the stage of quite liking it. Simono -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 15:59 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote: SimplyMEPIS? Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Look, boys, I've already got a job. What do I need this grief for? Actually I'm having some success with the Mepis boys' product. Still not as easy as Ubuntu, but I am still at the stage of quite liking it. Simono Did I say 'some'? Mepis is great once you get past the difficult install. The synaptic is better than Ubuntu. Networking (once you get a link) is beautiful, trouble free, out-of-the-box stuff. And I saved 35GB of disk over the 50GB root partition of Fedora. Tim, do you happen to know why sound would be using the System speaker not Pulse? Simono -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
Thanks Tim. I am now in possession of a fully operational Death Star, sorry, Mepis Installation. Can't get it to see my Ubuntus yet, but they can see it very easily and when I make a change it implements straight away. I couldn't understand why the system speaker was being used. Then I plugged the jack in. D'Oh! Simono On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:23 +0100, Tim wrote: On Saturday 29 May 2010 13:09:17 Simon O'Riordan wrote: Fedora is simply dreadful. I'm aborting it. If it was a baby, it would be Eraserhead. Next candidate: Simply Mepis 8.5. It's a KDE, I would rather have Gnome, but I will give it a try. Simono If you need any assistances with Simply Mepis 8.5 then check out thse two links http://www.mepislovers.org/index.php http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Main_Page If you really want Gnome then check out http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Replacing_KDM_with_GDM Tim -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Fan speed control
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:17 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: dpkg -l '*sens*' pet...@peterm-desktop:~$ dpkg -l '*sens*' Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-=-=-== un libsensors-devnone(no description available) ii libsensors3 1:2.10.8-2library to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors ii libsensors4 1:3.1.2-2 library to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors ii lm-sensors1:3.1.2-2 utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors ii sensible-utils0.0.1ubuntu3 Utilities for sensible alternative selection un sensord none(no description available) un wmsensors none(no description available) pet...@peterm-desktop:~$ -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
Glad you are enjoying Mepis. Tim On Saturday 29 May 2010 16:37:14 Simon O'Riordan wrote: Thanks Tim. I am now in possession of a fully operational Death Star, sorry, Mepis Installation. Can't get it to see my Ubuntus yet, but they can see it very easily and when I make a change it implements straight away. I couldn't understand why the system speaker was being used. Then I plugged the jack in. D'Oh! Simono On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:23 +0100, Tim wrote: On Saturday 29 May 2010 13:09:17 Simon O'Riordan wrote: Fedora is simply dreadful. I'm aborting it. If it was a baby, it would be Eraserhead. Next candidate: Simply Mepis 8.5. It's a KDE, I would rather have Gnome, but I will give it a try. Simono If you need any assistances with Simply Mepis 8.5 then check out thse two links http://www.mepislovers.org/index.php http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Main_Page If you really want Gnome then check out http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Replacing_KDM_with_GDM Tim -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Fan speed control
Hi Peter, On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 14:17 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: dpkg -l '*sens*' pet...@peterm-desktop:~$ dpkg -l '*sens*' Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-=-=-== ii lm-sensors1:3.1.2-2 utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors Right, so the package lm-sensors is installed and /usr/bin/sensors should exist. Perhaps you couldn't find it in Synaptic because the way your were searching ignored installed packages? Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
[Dorset] 10.04? Not bloody likely
Read this thread at the time and kind of thought I'd would stick to the Hardy Heron. However someone gave me a laptop which had an amusing black screen when XP was booted up because it went wrong a few years back and the costs quoted to fix put them off fixing it. So they stored this Pentium 4 circa 2005 Compaq in the loft for a few years - there must be thousands who have taken this view. Anyhow decided to use it as test bed for Ubuntu 10.04 running off the dvd/cd drive a few days back and I thought this looks good. So today I installed on my Sony Vaio VGN-NR11M/S circa late 2007 in place of the Hardy Heron. (1) The install took about 30 minutes. However carting data off and and back on the partition I used took a bit longer. I guess with regard to the data is that the sliver lining in the cloud is that it kind of forces you to have a clear out of stuff you don't want. I gave up long ago with trying upgrade versions of linux as there always seemed to problems, but maybe I'm being too conservative in still holding that view perhaps. (2) The Atheros wireless card inside works - which it never did with the Hardy Heron. (3) The brightness and volume function keys work - which it never did with the Hardy Heron. (4) It seems more responsive than the Hardy Heron - it runs quicker basically. (5) Somehow the battery time has increased by about 1 hour 20 minutes according to the ubuntu app on battery life - although I've not tested to this in action. (6) The Oracle logo on the installed OpenOffice kind of took a bit of getting used too, but the Ubuntu version shipped with 10.04 seemed good to me. (7) I like the default colour scheme. (8) I guess for the beginner user there are a few things that might confuse them on the install such what file system to use but it seems easier to follow than previous versions. All in all then I would think 10.04 is probably going to be close to as good as it gets for the Linux desktop from what I've seen so far, Mark Elkins Ps In my capacity as Chair of OSSG I'm told by BCS Dorset that the recording of the Open Source Question Time event at Bournemouth Uni a few months back is on its way at last, which quite a few from the LUG attended and asked questions at. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On 29/05/10 13:09, Simon O'Riordan wrote: Fedora is simply dreadful. I'm aborting it. If it was a baby, it would be Eraserhead. Next candidate: Simply Mepis 8.5. It's a KDE, I would rather have Gnome, but I will give it a try. Simono Sounds like a workman blaming his tools ;-) I'm been using Fedora since FC1 and although the upgrades haven't been brilliant at times, F-12 to F-13 was perfect. Initial installs have always been fine. I think you have to take in to account Fedora aims to be the first in many new features which can cause issues working with previous versions, but that goes with territory. It also means you get the best new features to use now. John. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Sat, 29 May 2010 21:25:02 +0100, voluntar...@btopenworld.com said: As a workman, if somebody gave me a banana to knock in nails, I would blame the person who gave me the banana. But if thousands and thousands - maybe millions - of people were successfully using bananas to knock in nails, maybe it would be you who was missing a trick? I don't like Fedora at all, but to attribute all the problems you had to Fedora is probably unreasonable, given its popularity. By all means give up and move on: that's one of the virtues of Open Source, but it's likely that the blame isn't entirely Fedora's -- Keith Edmunds +-+ |Tiger Computing Ltd| Helping businesses make the most of Linux | | The Linux Specialists | http://www.tiger-computing.co.uk | +-+ -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:30 +0100, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Sat, 29 May 2010 21:25:02 +0100, voluntar...@btopenworld.com said: As a workman, if somebody gave me a banana to knock in nails, I would blame the person who gave me the banana. But if thousands and thousands - maybe millions - of people were successfully using bananas to knock in nails, maybe it would be you who was missing a trick? I don't like Fedora at all, but to attribute all the problems you had to Fedora is probably unreasonable, given its popularity. By all means give up and move on: that's one of the virtues of Open Source, but it's likely that the blame isn't entirely Fedora's -- Keith Edmunds +-+ |Tiger Computing Ltd| Helping businesses make the most of Linux | | The Linux Specialists | http://www.tiger-computing.co.uk | +-+ I didn't make it swallow 20% of a 250 GB drive just for the root partition; I didn't make the sound fail totally; I didn't make it file a kernel crash report on every, single boot up. So long as the Linubs think it acceptable to produce unreliable, inflexible, dogmatically hindered software that requires a PhD in masochism to put right, they will remain a little people, a silly people Bill Gates has gold. He keeps it in a great box In Redmond... -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
At the end of the day we have all had those distro that looked good on paper but once we have committed it to disk it a different ball game and that can be down to A) lack of user knowledge, B) bad hardware combination (also linked to A) and C) the fact that some of us just want to get on with our lifes. We don't want to spend hours trying to get something to work when we know that under different circumstances it works perfectly. Tim On Saturday 29 May 2010 21:30:02 Keith Edmunds wrote: On Sat, 29 May 2010 21:25:02 +0100, voluntar...@btopenworld.com said: As a workman, if somebody gave me a banana to knock in nails, I would blame the person who gave me the banana. But if thousands and thousands - maybe millions - of people were successfully using bananas to knock in nails, maybe it would be you who was missing a trick? I don't like Fedora at all, but to attribute all the problems you had to Fedora is probably unreasonable, given its popularity. By all means give up and move on: that's one of the virtues of Open Source, but it's likely that the blame isn't entirely Fedora's -- Keith Edmunds +-+ |Tiger Computing Ltd| Helping businesses make the most of Linux | | The Linux Specialists | http://www.tiger-computing.co.uk | +-+ -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
On 29/05/10 21:46, Simon O'Riordan wrote: I didn't make it swallow 20% of a 250 GB drive just for the root partition; I didn't make the sound fail totally; I didn't make it file a kernel crash report on every, single boot up. So long as the Linubs think it acceptable to produce unreliable, inflexible, dogmatically hindered software that requires a PhD in masochism to put right, they will remain a little people, a silly people Bill Gates has gold. He keeps it in a great box In Redmond... But I know most Fedora users don't have the problems you have had. If they did, Fedora would have died years ago. It is NOT unreliable, inflexible nor requires great skill to install and use. As far as Bill Gates, he has your gold, you are welcome to keep buying him more. That is what silly people do. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] That's that.
To be sure, for a user who wants to do basic things, Fedora is an easy install, wifi works right away, and most of it just goes. For anybody doing anything more advanced the misery just piles on. I tend to judge these things by the amount and quality of support on the web; Ubuntu and MEPIS have a lot of helpful stuff, the Fedora? I'll just say it is a disappointment. Meanwhile, my MEPIS system is a lovely, reliable, almost 100% functioning system. Three things: 1)It needed a few goes to get the networking right, so it would display the appropriate wireless icon(and connect), but once it did, everything was easy, two way shares with my twin 10.04 installations, streaming wireless audio into another room etc. And the security is impressive. 2)While my old E3500 Logitech spare camera won't record on MEPIS, even if it did the hardware probably wouldn't be up to it, but in any case it is still plug and play with Skype, with a great sound quality to boot. 3)A manual repartition on install was essential, although the built in partitioning utility was as good as gpartedlive. That's all. Like I said, I got 100% in half a day. On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:50 +0100, Tim wrote: At the end of the day we have all had those distro that looked good on paper but once we have committed it to disk it a different ball game and that can be down to A) lack of user knowledge, B) bad hardware combination (also linked to A) and C) the fact that some of us just want to get on with our lifes. We don't want to spend hours trying to get something to work when we know that under different circumstances it works perfectly. Tim On Saturday 29 May 2010 21:30:02 Keith Edmunds wrote: On Sat, 29 May 2010 21:25:02 +0100, voluntar...@btopenworld.com said: As a workman, if somebody gave me a banana to knock in nails, I would blame the person who gave me the banana. But if thousands and thousands - maybe millions - of people were successfully using bananas to knock in nails, maybe it would be you who was missing a trick? I don't like Fedora at all, but to attribute all the problems you had to Fedora is probably unreasonable, given its popularity. By all means give up and move on: that's one of the virtues of Open Source, but it's likely that the blame isn't entirely Fedora's -- Keith Edmunds +-+ |Tiger Computing Ltd| Helping businesses make the most of Linux | | The Linux Specialists | http://www.tiger-computing.co.uk | +-+ -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
[Dorset] Distro debate
Hi folks, The '10.04? Not bloody likely' thread seems to have turned into a distro debate so I thought I'd throw in my bit. I appear to differ from most in that I do not like to have the latest greatest, my computer is a tool I want to be able to rely on so I prefer the proven. I also believe that the ideal OS should not need any computer knowledge to maintain so I refuse to learn anything that smacks of geek. Combining the two used to be a tall order but it can easily be done now. I haven't tried 10.04. Re. Ubuntu I used to believe Hardy Heron was the perfect OS until Jaunty Karmic left me a gibbering wreck. I now consider Ubuntu to sail to close to the bleeding edge for my likes. So I view 10.04 with suspicion am not going to risk messing up my system. In the hunt for a replacement distro I found what I now consider a little known gem. Vector SOHO is essentially Slackware, i.e. slick solid, with much user-friendliness bolted on top of it. They have managed to create a KDE system that is almost as lively as Puppy. It does use KDE 3.5 instead of 4 but, IMHO, that is a big plus. I am very much a KDE man though KDE4 on Jaunty Karmic drove me to Gnome at one point. Vector SOHO appears to have great hardware support and everything just works (it is Slackware after all) and has kept on working for 8 months now. The package management is modelled on apt-get Aptitude though it uses Slackware packaging. It seems to work as well as debs though with less polish, certainly better than rpms. However, it is not a lowtech distro as, at the time of installation, I also tried the current versions Mepis Fedora, but my Phenom x 4 mobo proved to be to new for them and they couldn't pick it up. Vector 'just worked' when I tried it. Has anyone else tried this distro? It just seems too good to never get a mention. -- Next meeting: C4L and Bournemouth, Wednesday 2010-06-02 19:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.orgchannel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
