Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
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Re: [Dorset] Second Online Meeting Tonight
On 05/05/2020 12:30, Terry Coles wrote: All, The second Online Meeting is tonight at 8 pm using Jitsi. For those who missed it last time; here are the Instructions for joining: Simply click on the following link and you will be taken to the Meeting using your default browser: https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug *However*: Ralph has suggested that Chrome or Chromium probably fare better than Firefox and that an alternative to installing one of those two is to obtain it bundled especially for Jitsi from: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases This should be as simple as wget -q https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/download/ v1.1.1/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage and then entering ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. Hope to see you all this evening. Still haven't figured out why it's not working. Audacity works with both microphones, and Cheese records a video with both picture and sound. Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 19:56:53 BST Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty wrote: > I don't seem to have hibernate on either laptop or desktop. I manually > enabled it before, but it never worked reliably. > > This is maybe one thing that Windows does better. AFAIR it works OK on my laptop. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
I don't seem to have hibernate on either laptop or desktop. I manually enabled it before, but it never worked reliably. This is maybe one thing that Windows does better. Hamish On 05/05/2020 18:23, Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 18:12:55 BST Tim Waugh wrote: >> Hibernate is not only for laptops. >> >> If you hibernate (i.e. suspend-to-disk), then you can remove the power with >> impunity. When you power it back on it will resume from disk. > I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the Kubuntu developers don't think it's > needed for devices without batteries (by default at least). They seem to > think that Hibernate is all about Energy Saving and nothing to do with > preserving the state of the machine on shut down. > > In the System Settings, under 'Power Management' only one tab is provide with > an option to 'Sleep' when the button is pressed. Similarly in the 'K' Menu, > under 'Leave', only 'Sleep' is offered and not 'Hibernate'. > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 18:12:55 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > Hibernate is not only for laptops. > > If you hibernate (i.e. suspend-to-disk), then you can remove the power with > impunity. When you power it back on it will resume from disk. I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the Kubuntu developers don't think it's needed for devices without batteries (by default at least). They seem to think that Hibernate is all about Energy Saving and nothing to do with preserving the state of the machine on shut down. In the System Settings, under 'Power Management' only one tab is provide with an option to 'Sleep' when the button is pressed. Similarly in the 'K' Menu, under 'Leave', only 'Sleep' is offered and not 'Hibernate'. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 17:11, Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:56:40 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 16:53, Terry Coles > wrote: > > > It still needs the mains to be on. > > > > For *hibernate*, i.e. suspend-to-disk? > > No. For Suspend. Hibernate is only available for laptops it seems. > Hibernate is not only for laptops. If you hibernate (i.e. suspend-to-disk), then you can remove the power with impunity. When you power it back on it will resume from disk. Tim. */ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:56:40 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 16:53, Terry Coles wrote: > > It still needs the mains to be on. > > For *hibernate*, i.e. suspend-to-disk? No. For Suspend. Hibernate is only available for laptops it seems. It is definitely Suspend that is happening, because the machine shuts down instantly, with no disc thrashing, and likewise re-awakens instantly when I press the power button. If I (foolishly) turned off the mains, then the machine would crash out in much the same way as if it had been running normally I imagine. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 14:43, Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 14:28:35 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > > Or alternatively, can suspend (or hibernate) be pressed into service? > > Instead of shutting down at night, suspend/hibernate the machine > overnight > > so it can pick up where it left off when it is resumed in the morning. > > It looks as if Kubuntu only allows Suspend to RAM for Desktop PCs. > Hibernate > is only available if the computer is fitted with a battery. > I'd be surprised if it's that way round. Suspend to RAM needs a battery; hiberate does not (the machine actually powers off completely). Tim. */ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 14:28:35 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > Or alternatively, can suspend (or hibernate) be pressed into service? > Instead of shutting down at night, suspend/hibernate the machine overnight > so it can pick up where it left off when it is resumed in the morning. It looks as if Kubuntu only allows Suspend to RAM for Desktop PCs. Hibernate is only available if the computer is fitted with a battery. I no longer have any Ibercivis Tasks queued. I'll re-enable the Project and see what happens if I simply Suspend, although I might have to wait until the current Rosetta Tasks have finished before I get any more Tasks. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 11:05, Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 11:02:01 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > > Ibercivis may not have checkpointing, but what if I run it in a VM (using > > kvm), and suspend *that* when I switch the machine off? > > The Client might get a bit confused with the timestamps maybe. The only > way > to find out is to try it I guess. > Or alternatively, can suspend (or hibernate) be pressed into service? Instead of shutting down at night, suspend/hibernate the machine overnight so it can pick up where it left off when it is resumed in the morning. Tim. */ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Second Online Meeting Tonight
All, The second Online Meeting is tonight at 8 pm using Jitsi. For those who missed it last time; here are the Instructions for joining: Simply click on the following link and you will be taken to the Meeting using your default browser: https://meet.jit.si/dorset-lug *However*: Ralph has suggested that Chrome or Chromium probably fare better than Firefox and that an alternative to installing one of those two is to obtain it bundled especially for Jitsi from: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases This should be as simple as wget -q https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases/download/ v1.1.1/jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage chmod +x jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage ./jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage and then entering ‘dorset-lug’ as the meeting ID. Hope to see you all this evening. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 11:02:01 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > Ibercivis may not have checkpointing, but what if I run it in a VM (using > kvm), and suspend *that* when I switch the machine off? The Client might get a bit confused with the timestamps maybe. The only way to find out is to try it I guess. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
Ibercivis may not have checkpointing, but what if I run it in a VM (using kvm), and suspend *that* when I switch the machine off? Tim. */ On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 10:47, Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:43:53 BST Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty wrote: > > I'll have to abort on one machine too, it doesn't complete tasks quickly > > enough for that to work. > > I've posted a comment on the Ibercivis forum, requesting that the > developers > let us know (by publishing a Notice perhaps), when this problem is > resolved. > > > -- > > > > Terry Coles > > > > -- > Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 > Check to whom you are replying > Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk > New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk > -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:43:53 BST Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty wrote: > I'll have to abort on one machine too, it doesn't complete tasks quickly > enough for that to work. I've posted a comment on the Ibercivis forum, requesting that the developers let us know (by publishing a Notice perhaps), when this problem is resolved. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On 05/05/2020 10:00, Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:45:15 BST Tim Waugh wrote: >> There are several things at play I think: >> - ibercivis has not implemented checkpointing yet, which means if you >> switch the computer off all running tasks lose their progress(!) > In that case, I'd be better off sticking to Rosetta because the computer is > in > the main bedroom and cannot remain on 24/7. > >> - the percentage-completion report seems to be a guess: I see it go up in >> 10% increments, and sometimes tasks complete earlier than the >> remaining-time indicated > I've seen that too. > >> - some tasks appear to restart once they get to 50%, but this is expected: >>https://boinc.ibercivis.es/ibercivis/forum_thread.php?id=7=180#180 > I've also seen that too. > > Lets hope they get all these niggles sorted soon. I'm going suspend > Ibercivis and let Rosetta have all the time until they do. Hopefully, > they'll > post something somewhere when the main problem is fixed. I'll have to abort on one machine too, it doesn't complete tasks quickly enough for that to work. Hamish signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:45:15 BST Tim Waugh wrote: > There are several things at play I think: > - ibercivis has not implemented checkpointing yet, which means if you > switch the computer off all running tasks lose their progress(!) In that case, I'd be better off sticking to Rosetta because the computer is in the main bedroom and cannot remain on 24/7. > - the percentage-completion report seems to be a guess: I see it go up in > 10% increments, and sometimes tasks complete earlier than the > remaining-time indicated I've seen that too. > - some tasks appear to restart once they get to 50%, but this is expected: >https://boinc.ibercivis.es/ibercivis/forum_thread.php?id=7=180#180 I've also seen that too. Lets hope they get all these niggles sorted soon. I'm going suspend Ibercivis and let Rosetta have all the time until they do. Hopefully, they'll post something somewhere when the main problem is fixed. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] New BOINC project that does computing for COVID-19
There are several things at play I think: - ibercivis has not implemented checkpointing yet, which means if you switch the computer off all running tasks lose their progress(!) - the percentage-completion report seems to be a guess: I see it go up in 10% increments, and sometimes tasks complete earlier than the remaining-time indicated - some tasks appear to restart once they get to 50%, but this is expected: https://boinc.ibercivis.es/ibercivis/forum_thread.php?id=7=180#180 Tim. */ On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 14:04, Terry Coles wrote: > On Sunday, 3 May 2020 14:59:02 BST Terry Coles wrote: > > I just got seven Tasks. They are currently shown as 'Ready to Start', > > presumably waiting until some of the Rosetta Tasks are complete. > > This project is weird! > > Yesterday when the Tasks started, the estimated remaining time for each > was > about four hours. They then ran all afternoon without seeming to make > much > progress. > > This morning they were all showing 3hrs and 55 minutes to run, but the > elapsed > time had dropped to 35 minutes. This morning nothing much seemed to be > happening, but just now I saw that two Tasks are ready to Report. > > As I said weird! > > -- > > > > Terry Coles > > > > -- > Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 > Check to whom you are replying > Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk > New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk > -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-05-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
