Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
On 31/10/16 09:57, Terry Coles wrote: On Sunday, 30 October 2016 17:58:09 GMT Ralph Corderoy wrote: That sounds like you're clicking the wrong "reply" button in your mail user agent. Outside of the list, if Patrick emails you, CC me, don't you have to be careful when you reply to choose between it going just to Patrick or me too? A choice is also to be made when replying and one of the addresses is the list. Your MUA might note the List-* headers and offer list-specific options, but in general it's the same issue: to whom do I want to reply. Reading the thread that you pointed at below, I recall that I customised my toolbar to include the Actions 'Reply To All', 'Reply To Author' and 'Reply To Mailing List'. Unfortunately, the last time I upgraded those customisation's seem to have been cleared, so all I had left was the default 'Reply' I've fixed it (again) now. If the sender simply puts the mailman address in the To Address field and nothing anywhere else, then the list works fine. The list works fine? You mean you get a single copy from the list. Or Yes. something specific to replying to the email you receive from the list? No. Is it still Thunderbox you're using? No. Kontact (KMail). Always has been since around 2002. Ralph, I have a vague recollection that this was changed some years ago to prevent another problem, but I can't remember what it was. Start reading at https://www.mail-archive.com/dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk/msg05999.html and work your way down the thread in the footer. :-) Yes. I remember now. My issue then, as now, is that I never had to do anything but hit 'Reply' for years and the message would be sent to the List. Then something started sowing confusion (for me at least). I don't know what changed; KMail, or the list, but it still catches me out regularly, particulary because the KDE developers keep breaking backwards compatibility and settings that have worked for years suddenly disappear ;-( I keep threatening to abandon KDE, but the trouble is that I like more than I hate ;-) I use Thunderbird and that has a reply to list option. If I just click reply (like I just did with this reply then I realised what I had done) it will just go to the poster, in this case Terry Tim -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
Hi Terry, > My issue then, as now, is that I never had to do anything but hit > 'Reply' for years and the message would be sent to the List. Yes, because Mailman added a Reply-To set to the list's address. But this meant the typical default action of "reply" in an MUA, to just go to the originator, instead went to the list and thus "everybody". It seems safer to err on the side of not being a public post if someone replies without checking, and that matches Mailman's recommendation. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
On Sunday, 30 October 2016 17:58:09 GMT Ralph Corderoy wrote: > That sounds like you're clicking the wrong "reply" button in your mail > user agent. Outside of the list, if Patrick emails you, CC me, don't > you have to be careful when you reply to choose between it going just to > Patrick or me too? A choice is also to be made when replying and one of > the addresses is the list. Your MUA might note the List-* headers and > offer list-specific options, but in general it's the same issue: to whom > do I want to reply. Reading the thread that you pointed at below, I recall that I customised my toolbar to include the Actions 'Reply To All', 'Reply To Author' and 'Reply To Mailing List'. Unfortunately, the last time I upgraded those customisation's seem to have been cleared, so all I had left was the default 'Reply' I've fixed it (again) now. > > If the sender simply puts the mailman address in the To Address field > > and nothing anywhere else, then the list works fine. > > The list works fine? You mean you get a single copy from the list. Or Yes. > something specific to replying to the email you receive from the list? No. > Is it still Thunderbox you're using? No. Kontact (KMail). Always has been since around 2002. > > Ralph, I have a vague recollection that this was changed some years > > ago to prevent another problem, but I can't remember what it was. > > Start reading at > https://www.mail-archive.com/dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk/msg05999.html and > work your way down the thread in the footer. :-) Yes. I remember now. My issue then, as now, is that I never had to do anything but hit 'Reply' for years and the message would be sent to the List. Then something started sowing confusion (for me at least). I don't know what changed; KMail, or the list, but it still catches me out regularly, particulary because the KDE developers keep breaking backwards compatibility and settings that have worked for years suddenly disappear ;-( I keep threatening to abandon KDE, but the trouble is that I like more than I hate ;-) -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
Hi Terry, > > since it seems to work fine for everyone else. > > Actually, it doesn't work fine for everybody else and it's not > uncommon for me to reply to a message, neglecting to check the To > Address field, and then wonder why my message doesn't turn up on the > list. That sounds like you're clicking the wrong "reply" button in your mail user agent. Outside of the list, if Patrick emails you, CC me, don't you have to be careful when you reply to choose between it going just to Patrick or me too? A choice is also to be made when replying and one of the addresses is the list. Your MUA might note the List-* headers and offer list-specific options, but in general it's the same issue: to whom do I want to reply. > If the sender simply puts the mailman address in the To Address field > and nothing anywhere else, then the list works fine. The list works fine? You mean you get a single copy from the list. Or something specific to replying to the email you receive from the list? Is it still Thunderbox you're using? > Ralph, I have a vague recollection that this was changed some years > ago to prevent another problem, but I can't remember what it was. Start reading at https://www.mail-archive.com/dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk/msg05999.html and work your way down the thread in the footer. :-) Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
On Saturday, 29 October 2016 17:17:33 GMT Patrick Wigmore wrote: > On Saturday 29 Oct 2016, at 15:38:52, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > The relevant documentation is > > https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html > > and this list's settings are > > > > first_strip_reply_to = 0 > > reply_goes_to_list = 0 > > reply_to_address = '' > > I was more inclined to question my own mail user agent's > behaviour than the configuration of the list, since it seems to > work fine for everyone else. Actually, it doesn't work fine for everybody else and it's not uncommon for me to reply to a message, neglecting to check the To Address field, and then wonder why my message doesn't turn up on the list. If the sender simply puts the mailman address in the To Address field and nothing anywhere else, then the list works fine. I also find that people who send to me and CC the list also cause me to get it wrong. Ralph, I have a vague recollection that this was changed some years ago to prevent another problem, but I can't remember what it was. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
Hi Patrick, > I was more inclined to question my own mail user agent's behaviour > than the configuration of the list, since it seems to work fine for > everyone else. Yes, didn't think you were complaining; just providing the information you needed about the list's choices to help understand the observations. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
On Saturday 29 Oct 2016, at 15:38:52, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > The relevant documentation is > https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html > and this list's settings are > > first_strip_reply_to = 0 > reply_goes_to_list = 0 > reply_to_address = '' I was more inclined to question my own mail user agent's behaviour than the configuration of the list, since it seems to work fine for everyone else. I had expected that somehow the default behaviour of KMail would be to disregard the Reply-To address when dealing with mailing lists. I now know that my expectation was incorrect and in fact "Reply-To" overrides the "List-Post" address. Given that my Reply-To and From addresses are the same, I can simply remove the Reply-To. It is superfluous and I had configured it without understanding the implications. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
Hi Patrick, The relevant documentation is https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html and this list's settings are first_strip_reply_to = 0 reply_goes_to_list = 0 reply_to_address = '' Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
On Saturday, 29 October 2016 15:10:39 BST Patrick Wigmore wrote: > Hi All, > > I've just noticed that my messages to this list seem to be set up > so that replies to them by default go straight to me rather than > the list. This seems wrong to me. Does anyone know what > configuration I need to change in KMail so that replies go to the > list by default? > > I have "Reply-to" set to my own address in my configuration, but > I would not expect that to apply to list emails. Do I need to > remove that? (As an experiment, I will remove it for this > message.) All I did was click reply. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
On Saturday 29 Oct 2016, at 15:10:39, Patrick Wigmore wrote: > I have "Reply-to" set to my own address in my configuration > (As an experiment, I will remove it for this message.) That seems to solve the problem. Apologies for any inconvenience. Patrick -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
[Dorset] How to configure "Reply-To" correctly for list?
Hi All, I've just noticed that my messages to this list seem to be set up so that replies to them by default go straight to me rather than the list. This seems wrong to me. Does anyone know what configuration I need to change in KMail so that replies go to the list by default? I have "Reply-to" set to my own address in my configuration, but I would not expect that to apply to list emails. Do I need to remove that? (As an experiment, I will remove it for this message.) Patrick -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-11-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
