Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
On Friday, 23 October 2020 14:43:49 BST Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Why are you double-clicking Button2 at all, let alone accidentally in > the wrong place? And why do you do this often enough outside of any > window so it's a problem? Is it a dodgy mouse bouncing the button? I'm not. I press the middle mouse button once to simulate a double click in editors and some games. It seems that the middle mouse behaviour setting on the desktop is different to the middle mouse behaviour setting in the KDE Settings module. I'm not sure why that difference is needed andI never picked up on that until Patrick said that it was different for him. Anyway. Thanks for the help. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
On Friday, 23 October 2020 14:39:53 BST Patrick Wigmore wrote: > For me, removing the middle-click action from the Desktop Settings > only seems to affect this exact feature; the pasting of new notes, > where the note didn't exist until the paste occurred. You are right. I don't remember setting the middle mouse button in the Desktop Settings, but I suppose I must have done in the dim distant past before 'Lock Widgets' Functionality was removed. > I found a discussion which seems to confirm that there is no longer a > "lock widgets" in 5.18. It mentions the accidental pasting of notes as > one of the disadvantages: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/ez4s32/how_to_lock_widgets_in_plasma_5 > 18_beta/ > > I'm surprised nobody foresaw the downsides to removing this > functionality, but I suppose it might result in fewer bugs in the > long-run, if nobody can work around them by locking widgets. Perhaps the developers don't use the middle mouse button to simulate a double click. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
Hi Terry, > I *want* the paste; I probably use that more often than right-click. What does the middle button, Button2, do for you? For me, it pastes on a Press-Release AKA a click. Double-clicking does nothing. > > Also, they talk of configuring the Desktop, since that's where > > you're clicking, rather than Notes. I'm assuming they're using > > Desktop to mean the bulk of the screen background which has no > > apparent windows on it. How Button2 is handled by the Desktop as > > opposed to LibreOffice, Firefox, a terminal, or xev(1)'s window is > > up to the Desktop? > > I believe so. I've only ever set the middle-mouse button behaviour > once. So are you digging into the Desktop's configuration, or Notes? It may be the former is the place to look. > > You can mark the packages plasma-widgets-addons pulls in as manually > > installed so removing it shouldn't remove anything else. Then you > > can cherrypick what else to remove. Starting an install of > > plasma-widgets-addons after that, before abandoning it, will show > > what extra things have been added to it since it was last installed, > > as well as what you've deleted. > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533523/remove-components-from-stand > > ard-installation-of-kde-plasma-on-debian-10 > > I'm finding the info in there a bit heavy weather; not least because > there seem to be several opinions on what needs to be done. > > In summary however, my takeaway is that I need to install aptitude. > This will allow me to mark the plasma-widgets-addons as manually > installed and i then need to remove it and re-install each wanted > package manually. No, apititude is used to mark all those packages on which a package depends as manually installed in one step. It suggests aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(kde-standard) | ?reverse-recommends(kde-standard)' > (These may be a dozen or more; I can't quite tell because some may be > needed in the tray etc. It all seems to be a bit of a faff, when all > I really want to do is prevent the Notes popping up if I accidentally > double click the desktop. Why are you double-clicking Button2 at all, let alone accidentally in the wrong place? And why do you do this often enough outside of any window so it's a problem? Is it a dodgy mouse bouncing the button? > There is also some ambiguity in the link that you posted, because at > least one response talks about the plasma-widgets-addons package being > a meta-package. It is not, it appears to have all of the widgets > encapsulated in one file which installs around 375 component files. Then the technique won't work. Picking one file in plasma-widgets-addons at random, libdictplugin.so, I agree it's only provided by plasma-widgets-addons according to apt-file(1). > My best bet seems to be pursuing the 'Lock Widgets' functionality > mentioned by Patrick which seems to have been removed from this > version. I'd be annoyed if Xfce4 removed the ability to stop widgets being knocked about accidentally. Perhaps a KDE forum would find the answers instead of a Kubuntu one? -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
> Unfortunately, these just confirm what I already knew; you can get > rid of Notes if you disable the middle mouse click behaviour (which > I use all the time) or uninstall the plasma-widgets-addons Package > which gets rid of a lot of stuff that I do use. > I *want* the paste; I probably use that more often than right-click. For me, removing the middle-click action from the Desktop Settings only seems to affect this exact feature; the pasting of new notes, where the note didn't exist until the paste occurred. I can still middle-click to paste anywhere else (including into text fields in widgets that are on the desktop). It just stops it from pasting anything if I middle click on a region of empty desktop. What kind of pasting are you unable to do when you change the settings? (Maybe you are pasting into files on the desktop?) Admittedly I am using an older version of the software than you are, but I would be surprised (but perhaps not *too* surprised) if they had so significantly changed the meaning of the settings. > Unfortunately, the widgets lock functionality seems to have been > removed in 5.18.5. Oh dear. I'll have to brace myself for that change. I found a discussion which seems to confirm that there is no longer a "lock widgets" in 5.18. It mentions the accidental pasting of notes as one of the disadvantages: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/ez4s32/how_to_lock_widgets_in_plasma_518_beta/ I'm surprised nobody foresaw the downsides to removing this functionality, but I suppose it might result in fewer bugs in the long-run, if nobody can work around them by locking widgets. It looks like the ability to lock widgets is still present, but it is no longer exposed in the GUI. The thread contains information about other ways to trigger it. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
On Friday, 23 October 2020 13:28:23 BST Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Your original forum post said you used middle button (Button2) as a > replacement for double-clicking Button1, but those links including > removing the use of Button2 as a paste. I'm surprised it's doing both > and that you can't lose the paste? I *want* the paste; I probably use that more often than right-click. > Also, they talk of configuring the Desktop, since that's where you're > clicking, rather than Notes. I'm assuming they're using Desktop to mean > the bulk of the screen background which has no apparent windows on it. > How Button2 is handled by the Desktop as opposed to LibreOffice, > Firefox, a terminal, or xev(1)'s window is up to the Desktop? I believe so. I've only ever set the middle-mouse button behaviour once. > You can mark the packages plasma-widgets-addons pulls in as manually > installed so removing it shouldn't remove anything else. Then you can > cherrypick what else to remove. Starting an install of > plasma-widgets-addons after that, before abandoning it, will show what > extra things have been added to it since it was last installed, as well > as what you've deleted. > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533523/remove-components-from-stand > ard-installation-of-kde-plasma-on-debian-10 I'm finding the info in there a bit heavy weather; not least because there seem to be several opinions on what needs to be done. In summary however, my takeaway is that I need to install aptitude. This will allow me to mark the plasma-widgets-addons as manually installed and i then need to remove it and re-install each wanted package manually. (These may be a dozen or more; I can't quite tell because some may be needed in the tray etc. It all seems to be a bit of a faff, when all I really want to do is prevent the Notes popping up if I accidentally double click the desktop. There is also some ambiguity in the link that you posted, because at least one response talks about the plasma-widgets-addons package being a meta-package. It is not, it appears to have all of the widgets encapsulated in one file which installs around 375 component files. My best bet seems to be pursuing the 'Lock Widgets' functionality mentioned by Patrick which seems to have been removed from this version. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
Hi Terry, > these just confirm what I already knew; you can get rid of Notes if > you disable the middle mouse click behaviour (which I use all the > time) Your original forum post said you used middle button (Button2) as a replacement for double-clicking Button1, but those links including removing the use of Button2 as a paste. I'm surprised it's doing both and that you can't lose the paste? Also, they talk of configuring the Desktop, since that's where you're clicking, rather than Notes. I'm assuming they're using Desktop to mean the bulk of the screen background which has no apparent windows on it. How Button2 is handled by the Desktop as opposed to LibreOffice, Firefox, a terminal, or xev(1)'s window is up to the Desktop? > or uninstall the plasma-widgets-addons Package which gets rid of > a lot of stuff that I do use. You can mark the packages plasma-widgets-addons pulls in as manually installed so removing it shouldn't remove anything else. Then you can cherrypick what else to remove. Starting an install of plasma-widgets-addons after that, before abandoning it, will show what extra things have been added to it since it was last installed, as well as what you've deleted. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533523/remove-components-from-standard-installation-of-kde-plasma-on-debian-10 -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
On Friday, 23 October 2020 12:32:39 BST Patrick Wigmore wrote: > I constantly use middle click to paste things, but it never would have > occurred to me that pasting text onto the desktop might have this > effect. It never used to. > It turns out that this note-pasting "feature" is present in (four- > year-old) plasmashell 5.5.5, but only when I have my widgets unlocked. > If the widgets are locked, then it doesn't create the new notes > widget. I suppose that makes some sense, because you can't normally > add or remove a widget when the widgets are locked, so it would be odd > to make an exception for post-it notes. I'm running Kubuntu 20.04 which installs 5.18.5. > I never encountered the note-pasting feature before, because I leave > the widgets locked after I have got them set up the way I like. Unfortunately, the widgets lock functionality seems to have been removed in 5.18.5. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 12:36:19 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > > I think the key word for finding this information was "paste". > > I used ‘disable plasma notes’. My full search query was 'plasma paste notes'. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
On Friday, 23 October 2020 10:09:00 BST Ralph Corderoy wrote: > I've obviously no idea what any of that is, but Google came up with > links like these which look helpful. > > > https://superuser.com/questions/1116231/completely-disable-desktop-notes-kd > e-plasma-5 > https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/cpmhns/how_to_uninstall_kde_notes/ > https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67=123508 Unfortunately, these just confirm what I already knew; you can get rid of Notes if you disable the middle mouse click behaviour (which I use all the time) or uninstall the plasma-widgets-addons Package which gets rid of a lot of stuff that I do use. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
Hi Patrick, > I think the key word for finding this information was "paste". I used ‘disable plasma notes’. -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
Good afternoon Terry, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > (Notes) that randomly drops Post-its on my desktop: > I've obviously no idea what any of that is, but Google came up with > links like these which look helpful. > > > https://superuser.com/questions/1116231/completely-disable-desktop-> > notes-kde-plasma-5 > https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/cpmhns/how_to_uninstall_kde_n > otes/ https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67=123508 Here's another link, which agrees with parts of those: https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Tips#disable-middle-click-paste-notes-widget I think the key word for finding this information was "paste". I constantly use middle click to paste things, but it never would have occurred to me that pasting text onto the desktop might have this effect. It turns out that this note-pasting "feature" is present in (four- year-old) plasmashell 5.5.5, but only when I have my widgets unlocked. If the widgets are locked, then it doesn't create the new notes widget. I suppose that makes some sense, because you can't normally add or remove a widget when the widgets are locked, so it would be odd to make an exception for post-it notes. I never encountered the note-pasting feature before, because I leave the widgets locked after I have got them set up the way I like. Patrick -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
Hi Terry, > Recently I posted to the Ubuntu Forums regarding a Plasma Widget > (Notes) that randomly drops Post-its on my desktop: I've obviously no idea what any of that is, but Google came up with links like these which look helpful. https://superuser.com/questions/1116231/completely-disable-desktop-notes-kde-plasma-5 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/cpmhns/how_to_uninstall_kde_notes/ https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67=123508 -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
On 23/10/2020 09:43, Terry Coles wrote: Hi, Recently I posted to the Ubuntu Forums regarding a Plasma Widget (Notes) that randomly drops Post-its on my desktop: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2452181 After four days, there has been no reply (there has been only one View and I suspect that's me). I'm sure in earlier iterations of KDE, Widgets could be disabled, but now it seems that all I can do is to uninstall the package that contains that Widget (and about a dozen others that I do use). Has anyone any insights? I keep seeing this [Notes appearing] on our main computer after my wife has been using it, usually with some writing in it of hers. I must admit that I have not seen it since the last update. I don't know how she gets it. Some time ago I transferred everything that I had in Notes into Google Keep so that I can see it on any of my devices. Sorry, no insights on disabling widgets. Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] KDE - How to Disable Plasma Widgets
Hi, Recently I posted to the Ubuntu Forums regarding a Plasma Widget (Notes) that randomly drops Post-its on my desktop: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2452181 After four days, there has been no reply (there has been only one View and I suspect that's me). I'm sure in earlier iterations of KDE, Widgets could be disabled, but now it seems that all I can do is to uninstall the package that contains that Widget (and about a dozen others that I do use). Has anyone any insights? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-11-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
