RE: [drakelist] New QTH
Title: Message FWIW, I use a poor man's EZ Hang, which is a $12 wrist rocket sling shot, a $6 zebco 202 reel, and a 1 oz egg weight. Total investment is just under $20, but I'm sure the frustration factor is higher since it's not as well integrated as the EZ Hang. Some tricks I've learned -- don't pull up your antenna wire with the flimsy 10 lb test line. Connect up some heavy poly/nylon cord like good mason line before you start putting any real weight on the line when you are hoisting up your aerial! Also get an extra reel of fishing line in case you don't get it right the first few times. One more tip: tie the egg weight very well, or it will go off into orbit and land who-knows where! My G5RV slopes from about 65 feet down to 35 feet among the maples and oaks in my backyard. -Chuck KB5GC -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David HavelSent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:09 PMTo: 'J. Michael Thurman'; 'DW Holtman'; drakelist@www.zerobeat.netSubject: RE: [drakelist] New QTH Hi gang, In my opinion, the EZHang is great! It takes a bit of practice, and you'll probably go through quite a few sinkers, but I'm up nearly 70' on one end of a 204' 160M G5RV(M) in my back yard. Please be careful with any neighbors or power lines, though. Once, mine went over the tree, across the road, over top of the power lines (the high voltage primaries are on top!), and into my neighbors tree,darn close to his house. Luckily, the line was totally non-conductive, and the air and surroundings were dry. As far as penetrating the wall, a length of PVC pipe through the wall, sealed with electrical duct seal (as used onelectrical service entrance cables) is fine, but you may want to look into bulkhead connectors mounted on a piece of plate or plastic so that you have a disconnecting means (storms, etc.). The duct seal type material is also available on a roll as "Coax-Seal." Check out: http://radioworks.com/PDFCat04/53.pdf 73, Dave - NO3K From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Michael ThurmanSent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:50 PMTo: DW Holtman; drakelist@www.zerobeat.netSubject: Re: [drakelist] New QTH The device to which you refer is available at www.ezhang.com . A friend of mine has one that he loans out to the hams in the community. Boy...does it work as advertised. If one grew up with a bean flip, it's a snap to get a line over a 60 ft. tree...and over the exact limb... I have tried the fishing pole with a golf ball for a weight and the archery approach. Both are vastly inferior, IMHO and in my experience. Although, the fishing pole/golf ball (or other weight) is first runner-up. The gizmo's a little pricey for a one-time use, but it's effective. 73 es gud shootin',MichaelWN5TAt 08:20 PM 4/10/05, DW Holtman wrote: Hello,I have a couple of questions that I hope someone can help me with.First, My new Shack is in a converted garage, with more space than I have ever had in the past. My question is, what is the best way to make a hole for coax/450 ohm ladder line to leave the shack? I just finished framing and thought about usiung PVC pipe. How would I insulate it? Is there a better way?Second, there are two trees on my new QTH. They are around 60 feet apart (40 meter dipole). One is around 60 feet high, the other is maybe 30 feet (build a sloper). The 60 footer would be the highest antenna that I have ever had. I want to get one end of a dipole some where near the top. How do I get wire/rope that high? I have seen in the past a device that is a combination sling-shot/fishing reel. Are thay still available?Any help would be great. Thank you in advance.73'sDW HoltmanWB7SSN
Re: [drakelist] New QTH
Al Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterence to the drakelist gang -- Hi all, Ill jump in echo Chuck. Builld your own. I've been using an HB uniit like him for many yrs, lots cheaper than the nationally advertised brand, and I think it works just fine. Used small hose clamps to secure the reel on the handle. I've experimented a bit with weights, but I think I'm using a 1 oz. now. I've got some white masking tape around it with half painted red so I can see it when it comes down or is hanging half way down. I've also got an ocean type reel with heavier, braided, line on it for the actual pull, makes retrieving/storing easy. You can buy a replacement rubber sling for the slingshot at a sporting goods store (or even Walmart, at least a cupla yrs ago). I can get up 50-60 ft fairly easily/accurately. A local tree guy has an industrial strength slingshot, the handle is abt 6 ft long, he sticks it in the ground at his feet, the Y is abt 2 ft wide, I forget just what the elastic is. It's got a shot-filled bag, probably 4-6 oz or more, and almost 1/8 twine. He hit the crotch of a tree 60-70ft up at least that far away for me on the first try. Deadly. 73, Al, W8UT New Bern, NC BoatAnchors appreciated here http://www.thecompendium.net/radio/ http://www.hammarlund.info - Original Message - From: Chuck Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'J. Michael Thurman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'DW Holtman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [drakelist] New QTH FWIW, I use a poor man's EZ Hang, which is a $12 wrist rocket sling shot, a $6 zebco 202 reel, and a 1 oz egg weight. Total investment is just under $20, but I'm sure the frustration factor is higher since it's not as well integrated as the EZ Hang. Some tricks I've learned -- don't pull up your antenna wire with the flimsy 10 lb test line. Connect up some heavy poly/nylon cord like good mason line before you start putting any real weight on the line when you are hoisting up your aerial! Also get an extra reel of fishing line in case you don't get it right the first few times. One more tip: tie the egg weight very well, or it will go off into orbit and land who-knows where! My G5RV slopes from about 65 feet down to 35 feet among the maples and oaks in my backyard. -Chuck KB5GC -- On Behalf of Al Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Submissions:drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: http://www.zerobeat.net Brought to you courtesy of TLCHost.net http://www.tlchost.net/ --
RE: [drakelist] New QTH
Gerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterence to the drakelist gang -- I did a similar thing. Went down to Wal-Mart and bought the deluxe slingshot model for less than ten bucks, a cheap Zebco reel and some fiberglass fishing line. I found out, as others have stated that thin fishing line tends to snap pretty easily. The trick is to practice, practice, practice your aim and buy lots of spare weights. The line gets tangled now and then and the weight stays up there where you can't get it. While it sounds like and is a lot of work to get things right, the rewards are well worth it. My dual inverted vee is up about 55 feet at the center and I also have a 10 meter vertical dipole up about 60 feet at the top. There is NO WAY I would have been able or willing to climb up so high. Once you have the line where you think you want it to be, you want to tie a heavier rope or line to the end of the fiberglass line and pull that one up as well. Keep progressing with heavier lines until you think you can pull the rope that holds your antenna without snapping. To keep it up, I use a cement block tied to a bungee cord which is itself tied to the rope holding the antenna. The antenna does swing in the trees when the wind picks up and the SWR will vary accordingly but not enough to worry about. The thing is not to tie that thing so tight you can play a bass tune on the rope or the antenna. Give it some swing, man! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Parker Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'J. Michael Thurman'; 'DW Holtman'; drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [drakelist] New QTH Al Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterence to the drakelist gang -- Hi all, Ill jump in echo Chuck. Builld your own. I've been using an HB uniit like him for many yrs, lots cheaper than the nationally advertised brand, and I think it works just fine. Used small hose clamps to secure the reel on the handle. I've experimented a bit with weights, but I think I'm using a 1 oz. now. I've got some white masking tape around it with half painted red so I can see it when it comes down or is hanging half way down. I've also got an ocean type reel with heavier, braided, line on it for the actual pull, makes retrieving/storing easy. You can buy a replacement rubber sling for the slingshot at a sporting goods store (or even Walmart, at least a cupla yrs ago). I can get up 50-60 ft fairly easily/accurately. A local tree guy has an industrial strength slingshot, the handle is abt 6 ft long, he sticks it in the ground at his feet, the Y is abt 2 ft wide, I forget just what the elastic is. It's got a shot-filled bag, probably 4-6 oz or more, and almost 1/8 twine. He hit the crotch of a tree 60-70ft up at least that far away for me on the first try. Deadly. 73, Al, W8UT New Bern, NC BoatAnchors appreciated here http://www.thecompendium.net/radio/ http://www.hammarlund.info - Original Message - From: Chuck Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'J. Michael Thurman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'DW Holtman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [drakelist] New QTH FWIW, I use a poor man's EZ Hang, which is a $12 wrist rocket sling shot, a $6 zebco 202 reel, and a 1 oz egg weight. Total investment is just under $20, but I'm sure the frustration factor is higher since it's not as well integrated as the EZ Hang. Some tricks I've learned -- don't pull up your antenna wire with the flimsy 10 lb test line. Connect up some heavy poly/nylon cord like good mason line before you start putting any real weight on the line when you are hoisting up your aerial! Also get an extra reel of fishing line in case you don't get it right the first few times. One more tip: tie the egg weight very well, or it will go off into orbit and land who-knows where! My G5RV slopes from about 65 feet down to 35 feet among the maples and oaks in my backyard. -Chuck KB5GC -- On Behalf of Al Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Submissions:drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: http://www.zerobeat.net Brought to you courtesy of TLCHost.net http://www.tlchost.net/ -- -- On Behalf of Gerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Submissions:drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: http
Re: [drakelist] New QTH
DW - I have used a bow and arrow for 30 years. Pretty easy, drill a small hole in the shank of the arrow, tie 30 or 50 pound fishing monofilament, and let her rip. You can then use the monofilament to haul your wire or rope through the limbs. I have seen the sling shot and the spinning reel setups also - guess it is personal preference but I am comfortable with the bow and arrow. It is a simple target practice fiber glass bow, somewhere around 30-50 pound range (I bought it too long ago to remember). Do you have at least one window in your converted garage? I recently replaced one of the panes of glass in my cellar shack window with thick plexiglass (buy it at Home Depot, Chase Pitkin, Lowes, etc). Chip the glazing away, carefully take out the glass pane, measure and cut the plexiglass, and glaze it in. You lose a LITTLE bit of insulating capability but nothing serious; I have been comfortable all winter in my upstate NY snow belt location. You can drill holes of all sizes and shapes in the plexiglass - I mounted four co-ax female to female connectors, ran two sets of 450 ohm ladder line through it, and a tv connector. And a ground lead. Just a couple of ideas for you to mull over. 73 de Dave W1DV/2 - Original Message - From: DW Holtman To: drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: [drakelist] New QTH Hello, I have a couple of questions that I hope someone can help me with. First, My new Shack is in a converted garage, with more space than I have ever had in the past. My question is, what is the best way to make a hole for coax/450 ohmladder line to leave the shack? I just finished framing and thought about usiung PVC pipe. How would I insulate it? Is there a better way? Second, there are two trees on my new QTH. They are around 60 feet apart (40 meter dipole). One is around 60 feet high, the other is maybe 30 feet (build a sloper). The 60 footer would be the highest antenna that I have ever had. I want to get one end of a dipole some where near the top. How do I get wire/rope that high? I have seen in the past a device that is a combination sling-shot/fishing reel. Are thay still available? Any help would be great. Thank you in advance. 73's DW Holtman WB7SSN
Re: [drakelist] New QTH
James True N5ARW [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterence to the drakelist gang -- I made my own slingshot/fishing reel. Walmart had both parts, a wrist rocket type slingshot and a cheap Zebco reel. I used two small hose clamps to attach the reel to the sling shot and was off to the races. My only caution is not to use too large a lead weight. My first attempt was too heavy and it immediately broke the line and I am guessing landed about 3 blocks away. Start off with one about the size of a green pea and adjust to suite your preference. Also remember to release the drag on the real before you shoot (again from experience). Enjoy your new shack. 73 James True N5ARW in beautiful Hot Springs National Park, AR http://www.boatanchor.com --Original Message Text--- From: DW Holtman Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:20:37 -0600 Hello, I have a couple of questions that I hope someone can help me with. First, My new Shack is in a converted garage, with more space than I have ever had in the past. My question is, what is the best way to make a hole for coax/450 ohm ladder line to leave the shack? I just finished framing and thought about usiung PVC pipe. How would I insulate it? Is there a better way? Second, there are two trees on my new QTH. They are around 60 feet apart (40 meter dipole). One is around 60 feet high, the other is maybe 30 feet (build a sloper). The 60 footer would be the highest antenna that I have ever had. I want to get one end of a dipole some where near the top. How do I get wire/rope that high? I have seen in the past a device that is a combination sling-shot/fishing reel. Are thay still available? Any help would be great. Thank you in advance. 73's DW Holtman WB7SSN -- On Behalf of James True N5ARW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Submissions:drakelist@www.zerobeat.net Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: http://www.zerobeat.net Brought to you courtesy of TLCHost.net http://www.tlchost.net/ --
Re: [drakelist] New QTH
DW - PVC will work well. You can do a simple insulation job by using the typical foam insulation sold at most Home Improvement stores - once you are done running the coax. It will expand to fill the gaps and is easy to cut out later if you have to. All of my Home AC, dryer vents, and Roof vents are sealed by this stuff. It is also coax friendly. Hope this helps. Matt W4LTM DW Holtman wrote: Hello, I have a couple of questions that I hope someone can help me with. First, My new Shack is in a converted garage, with more space than I have ever had in the past. My question is, what is the best way to make a hole for coax/450 ohmladder line to leave the shack? I just finished framing and thought about usiung PVC pipe. How would I insulate it? Is there a better way? Second, there are two trees on my new QTH. They are around 60 feet apart (40 meter dipole). One is around 60 feet high, the other is maybe 30 feet (build a sloper). The 60 footer would be the highest antenna that I have ever had. I want to get one end of a dipole some where near the top. How do I get wire/rope that high? I have seen in the past a device that is a combination sling-shot/fishing reel. Are thay still available? Any help would be great. Thank you in advance. 73's DW Holtman WB7SSN
