Re: Support for stereoscopic output in DRI?

2007-03-31 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Brian Paul wrote:
 Off hand, I don't recall which DRI-supported cards/chips have stereo 
 ability.  Stereo has traditionally been a professional card feature 
 for sci-vis apps.
 
 In any case, none of the DRI drivers support quad-buffer stereo at this 
 time.

There are patches around for R200 and Matrox drivers, although they 
didn't work perfectly when they were written and would no doubt take 
some effort to apply now. Some searching of the dri-devel or mesa3d-dev 
lists would doubtless find them.

Thanks,
Donnie

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Re: x700 and DRI

2006-03-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz

Daniel Kasak wrote:

I see. Sincere apologies. I've been using Gentoo's cvs ebuilds, but
admittedly I wasn't sure where they were pulling stuff from. I'll have a
closer look, and either hack one up to get from cvs head, or do it manually.


Gentoo doesn't supply CVS ebuilds for anything X, last I checked. You 
must be referring to someone's personal overlays. The switch to modular 
X has been causing enough breakage without that added into the mix. =)


Thanks,
Donnie


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Re: dri on r300

2006-02-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Patrick McFarland wrote:
 glxcmds.c: In function ‘glXBindTexImageEXT’:
 glxcmds.c:2618: error: ‘X_GLXvop_BindTexImageEXT’ undeclared (first use in 
 this function)

Guess you haven't been reading the list lately. Update your glproto.
xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/proto/.



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Re: [Dri-users] r300 question

2006-02-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Michał Pytasz wrote:
 was gentoo-specific
 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122140 , however it seems fixed now 
 (with new ebuild for xorg).

Indeed it wasn't Gentoo-specific at all, we just fixed it in our
packages. See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5835.

Thanks,
Donnie



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Re: [PATCH] new radeon memory map fixes (#3)

2006-02-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin Shanahan wrote:
 All seems good. No regressions on my Radeon Mobility M6 LY and Radeon
 64MB DDR (7200). VT switch problems from #2 now fixed. Radeon 9800 Pro
 still locks up with 3D, but that's not a regression.

I just had some trouble with VT switching -- when switching back to X, I
lost my cursor and a small black minify box appeared near the lower
right of my screen (perhaps where the cursor was when I switched VTs?).

Thanks,
Donnie



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Re: [PATCH] new radeon memory map fixes (#3)

2006-02-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Tilman Sauerbeck wrote:
 Tilman Sauerbeck [2006-02-12 13:39]:
 Benjamin Herrenschmidt [2006-02-10 18:12]:
 Here's a 3rd set of patches. Please report regressions ASAP as I intend
 to merge those in the various CVS trees real soon now.

 [...]
  
 Also, I fixed a potential issue in the DRM with machines where AGP
 writeback doesn't work (we would still rely on AGP writeback for the
 ring read ptr instead of reading it from a register).
 I believe these 2 patches introduce a hardware lockup problem in 3D
 mode for me. It's not reliably reproduced though, so I'm not sure
 
 n/m, I just reproduced it with patch set #2, so it's not a regression.

I've been having the same problem since at least #2, but haven't had a
lockup yet with #3.

Donnie



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Re: Problems compiling.

2006-02-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
 For the past day or two I've been getting the following error when trying to 
 compile DRI from Mesa CVS:
 
 gcc -c -I. -I../../../include -I../../../include/GL/internal 
 -I../../../src/mesa/main -I../../../src/mesa/glapi 
 -I../../../src/mesa/drivers/dri/common `pkg-config --cflags libdrm` 
 -I/usr/X11R6/include -DPTHREADS -DUSE_EXTERNAL_DXTN_LIB=1 -DIN_DRI_DRIVER 
 -DGLX_DIRECT_RENDERING -DHAVE_ALIAS -DXF86VIDMODE -D_REENTRANT 
 -UIN_DRI_DRIVER -Wmissing-prototypes -g -std=c99  -Wundef -fPIC -ffast-math  
 -I/usr/X11R6/include -DPTHREADS -DUSE_EXTERNAL_DXTN_LIB=1 -DIN_DRI_DRIVER 
 -DGLX_DIRECT_RENDERING -DHAVE_ALIAS -DXF86VIDMODE -D_REENTRANT 
 -UIN_DRI_DRIVER glxcmds.c -o glxcmds.o
 glxcmds.c:1726: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXSwapIntervalMESA'
 glxcmds.c:1758: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXGetSwapIntervalMESA'
 glxcmds.c:1788: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXBeginFrameTrackingMESA'
 glxcmds.c:1808: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXEndFrameTrackingMESA'
 glxcmds.c:1829: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXGetFrameUsageMESA'
 glxcmds.c:1857: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXQueryFrameTrackingMESA'
 glxcmds.c:2595: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXBindTexImageEXT'
 glxcmds.c: In function `glXBindTexImageEXT':
 glxcmds.c:2618: error: `X_GLXvop_BindTexImageEXT' undeclared (first use in 
 this function)
 glxcmds.c:2618: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
 glxcmds.c:2618: error: for each function it appears in.)
 glxcmds.c: At top level:
 glxcmds.c:2636: warning: no previous prototype for 'glXReleaseTexImageEXT'
 glxcmds.c: In function `glXReleaseTexImageEXT':
 glxcmds.c:2659: error: `X_GLXvop_ReleaseTexImageEXT' undeclared (first use in 
 this function)
 gmake: *** [glxcmds.o] Error 1
 *** Error code 1

You need to upgrade your proto/GL -- the fix hit Xorg CVS a day or two ago.

Donnie



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Re: Fwd: Re: sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver

2006-02-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Felix Kühling wrote:
 Getting snapshots from the modular tree to work will probably require
 that a modular Xorg is installed somewhere on the build machine. I may
 get away with installing a modular Xorg on the build machine in some
 dummy location that doesn't interfere with the Xorg 6.8 installed by the
 distro (Ubuntu Breezy). Then I can build the driver modules and some
 other stuff for the common snapshots against that.
 
 Alternatively I can build a semi-complete modular Xorg every time. Any
 other ideas?

You could hack it into the tinderbox build scripts, and run tinderbox as
well. That could be helpful in other senses besides the snapshots.

Thanks,
Donnie



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Re: 3D application survey for DRIconf

2006-01-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Felix Kühling wrote:
 for the next version of DRIconf I'm working on a database of known
 applications that can be selected from a menu. This way users won't need
 to go through the confusion of finding out the correct executable name
 any more. However, the range of applications and games I'm using myself
 is rather limited, so I am conducting this survey.
 
 Please send me the names and correct executable names of your favourite
 3D applications and games that you configure with DRIconf. Send these to
 my private email address, NOT to the mailing lists. Depending on the
 volume of feedback I may want to filter and process the emails
 automatically, so please send plain-text emails in the following format:

Is it possible that this could be dynamically created and cached on each
system by checking for applications in PATH that have libGL in NEEDED?
Then one could have a Scan for new applications that would re-check.

I suppose readelf -a $exe | grep NEEDED ought to work on most systems.

That ought to catch the majority of them, except those annoying shell
scripts that run something else somewhere else.

Thanks,
Donnie



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Re: Auto-discovery of 3D applications

2006-01-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Felix Kühling wrote:
 Yeah, but these are exactly the hard cases that are most confusing to
 users and that I'm trying to solve. Also some executables don't have
 very descriptive names, like fgfs for FlightGear. It's also impossible
 to sort auto-detected applications into meaningful categories. Maybe
 parsing of the menus of the desktop environment would be feasible
 instead? http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec defines a
 distro-neutral standard for such menus. On my Debian box the Gnome menus
 aren't too helpful in terms of completeness and categorization of
 applications. But the Debian menu would come pretty close. Do other
 distributions have something equivalent?

I agree on some of your points, but maintaining a database of all 3D
applications in existence will probably be a ton of work, won't scale
well, and will always be missing stuff, so any alternative would be welcome.

As far as the menus go, Gentoo just uses whatever upstream installs.

Donnie



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Re: My experience with the r300 driver

2005-10-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz

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pedro.lixo wrote:
| Your Xorg version, is patched with a known patch(at least by me, it's
from Mike A. Harris). Are you using gentoo!?
|
| Gentoo has this patch, probably also Red Hat and Fedora Core.
|
| With that patch, you cannot override. In gentoo just go to
| xorg-x11-version-patches-patch_version.tar.bz2 , and remove the patch
| 1214_all_4.3.0-radeon-disable-VideoRAM-option. delete digest and
redigest
| the ebuild. Rebuild xorg-x11. :)
|
| With this patch you will only have 128 MB, i dont know how get around!
Sorry.

Rather than that, why not file an X.Org bug saying that your card's RAM
is detected incorrectly (if that is in fact the case).

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: R430 (Radeon X800 XL AGP)

2005-08-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz

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Dave Dodge wrote:
| libGL error: dlopen .../r300_dri.so failed (.../r300_dri.so:
undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch)

Hmm.. you have LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing to a libGL from CVS, right?
That's the problem I had, but it sounds like everything else is working
for you.

| - The Building page on the wiki seems to be out of date.  Mesa now
|   requires libdrm to be installed and registered with pkg-config.

That just changed a couple of days ago, so it might take a little bit
for somebody to update it. Did you?

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: DRI Feature Table

2005-08-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz

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Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
| Philipp Klaus Krause schrieb:
|
|What happened to this one?
|I found some discussion about it in the mailing list archive,
|but I didn't find it in the wiki.
|
|Philipp
|
|
| OK I found it at
| http://dri.sourceforge.net/doc/dri_driver_features.phtml
|
| Shouldn't this be ported to the wiki?

There is this:
http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix

But it's missing a few things.

Donnie
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Re: 915 DRM PM

2005-06-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Jon Smirl wrote:
 From what I can tell vesafb use is pretty rare. A while ago I broke
 things in DRM CVS so that vesafb wouldn't work, it was about two
 months until we got a complaint. DRM CVS is fixed for vesafb but the
 long lag indicates that there aren't very many users. After the
 problem the user switched to radeonfb.

Couldn't that be telling you that DRM CVS use is pretty rare, not
vesafb? Most people are just using releases, so unless the breakage
slipped into 6.8.2, a lot of vesafb users never got near it.
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Re: ioctl32 support

2005-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I extracted this patch by Egbert Eich from SuSe's kernel
 source package:
 
  http://www.develer.com/drm-ioctl32.patch
 
 It allows running 32bit DRI clients on 64bit systems,
 which is a very common situation due to proprietary
 games.
 
 Is there a reason why this code is not appropriate for
 merging into the official DRM?

You might like to follow https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [R300] the_perfect_frag snapshot

2005-05-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
 I tagged yesterday the_perfect_frag snapshot of R300 driver.
 
 The code is in CVS at http://r300.sf.net
 
 As the name suggests I cannot find visible faults with rendering
 Quake3 levels. Also, PPRacer shows no artifacts either, at least in
 the first few levels..

Today's CVS worked quite well on my 9600 Pro playing Legends [1],
although the ground was blue when it should've been brown. Also the main
menu has a ton of blue stripes across the bottom.

The UT2003 demo crashed when I tried to load the DM-Asbestos level, but
everything else looked good.

The UT2004 demo crashed when trying to start either the AS-Convoy or
BR-Colossus levels. The others were pretty much unplayably slow but
looked great.

The Doom 3 demo wouldn't even start.

On America's Army, the text was almost unreadable (but I see this on the
TODO). Also, the clouds overhead and straight ahead on the first
training mission looked like square boxes.

Thanks,
Donnie

1. http://www.legendsthegame.net/ but it's down atm


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Re: licenses

2005-04-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
 Can someone enlighten me as to what is the license of R200 Mesa
 driver ? Also, what is the usual (accepted, preferred, etc..) license
 for a Mesa driver code ?

Taken a look at the top of any the files in src/mesa/drivers/dri/r200?
Here's what's there:

/* $XFree86: xc/lib/GL/mesa/src/drv/r200/r200_lock.c,v 1.1 2002/10/30
12:51:52 alanh Exp $ */
/*
Copyright (C) The Weather Channel, Inc.  2002.  All Rights Reserved.

The Weather Channel (TM) funded Tungsten Graphics to develop the
initial release of the Radeon 8500 driver under the XFree86 license.
This notice must be preserved.

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
Software), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to
the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice (including the
next paragraph) shall be included in all copies or substantial
portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.
IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER(S) AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE
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Re: r200 segfaults in t_vtx_generic.c running legends

2005-03-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Paul Heldens wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I can't run the game legends ( Torque Game Engine, 
 http://happypenguin.org/show?Legendsstart=20 ) it segfaults when hitting the 
 ground after spawning.
 Xorg 6.8.2 , card RV250, linux 2.6.10, legends 0.4.1b, gcc 3.4.3, glibc 2.3.4.

As a side note to anyone interested in debugging this, it works with
fglrx on my r200. At least it did last time I tried.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: radeon, apertures memory mapping

2005-03-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Ville Syrjälä wrote:
 Makes me wish I had a PPC box alongside the x86 one.

You might like to try http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/.
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Re: r300 Status Report - Gentoo amd64, Saphire 9600

2005-03-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Hamie wrote:
| 1. Gentoo seems to install the libs  dri modules for X in
| /usr/lib/modules/dri instead of under /usr/X11R6
Sure, but if you don't have a broken install, /usr/X11R6 symlinks to
/usr so you won't notice. The usual problem is more like installing
opengl stuff to /usr/lib/opengl/implementation.
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Re: Slightly OT: We should move #dri and #dri-devel off of FreeNode

2005-02-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Patrick McFarland wrote:
 Today lilo (the FreeNode network owner) has decided to make one step away in 
 a 
 direction opposite of freedom, and banned all Tor users from the FreeNode 
 network.
 
 Tor ( http://tor.eff.org ) is an open source anonymous gateway system. Many 
 users who are not in the position to be able to use IRC otherwise (such as 
 those who live in countries who do not believe in free speech) now cannot use 
 Freenode any longer.

Were you fortunate enough to be in one of the channels getting spammed
by bots coming from Tor last night?
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Re: [R300] Undefined symbols in Mesa compile

2005-02-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
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Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
| On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Jacob Gorm Hansen wrote:
| Will version 6.8.1.902 (from Gentoo) be recent enough?
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| I don't think so - this sounds like 6.8.2-rc1
Actually RC2 -- it's how the numbering scheme works. (version-1).90X is
(version)RCX.
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Re: Problems with compiling new savage patch.

2004-10-31 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 04:06 +0100, Sérgio wrote:
 Can we change configuration of Xorg, for compile and install xorg
 without compile any source of Mesa and/or GLx ?

You could try BuildGLXLibrary and/or BuildXF86DRI. I'm not sure of all
the implications, but it sounds like the right direction.


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Re: sparc ffb drm driver... (fwd)

2004-10-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 05:04, khaqq wrote:
 you may have beta-testers / developpers on #gentoo-sparc
 on freenode... people there have that kind of hardware.
 just my 2 cents, of course.

Ferris McCormick (fmccor) in that channel definitely has the hardware --
not sure who else. I know he's gotten in touch with you at some point
about ffb, as well as with Jon Smirl.

As far as the status goes, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65348
has a little info. It worked (sort of) in xorg 6.8.

I would guess many users don't bother using CVS but just wait for the
next xorg release, so that's why you aren't getting reports from an
already small community.



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Re: Serious issues with Rage128 on PowerPC

2004-10-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 08:36, Ian Romanick wrote:
 It's a stock AGP G4.  The card is the original Rage128.  The kernel is 
 the debian 2.6.8-powerpc kernel (dittor for DRM), and X is yesterday's 
 X.org.  The last time I did anything with that machine was about a month 
 ago with a 2.4.25 kernel (and whatever X.org was current then), and it 
 worked fine.  I suspect the problems are caused by recent changes to the 
 3D driver.
 
 Regular X stuff works fine.

It seems present in xorg 6.8.0 according to
https://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1513, so older than
that.
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Re: glxinfo: R200 VS FGLRX side by side...

2004-09-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 05:52, Mike Mestnik wrote:
 I'm interested in switching back and fourth, if any one has some info on
 doing this better I'd like to know.  Right now I'm symlinking
 libGL-fglrx.so.1.2 or libGL-dri.so.1.2 into libGL.so.1.2.  I also have to
 unload and load kmods too, I do this by hand as well.  I can go from DRI
 to fglrx fine, but to go back I have to reboot first.

Gentoo's opengl-update script works great for this, if you feel like
moving a few files around on your system. You can grab the most recent
version at
http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/x11-base/opengl-update/files/opengl-update-1.8.1?rev=HEADcontent-type=text/plain
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Re: New DRM driver model - gets rid of DRM() macros!

2004-09-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 07:25, Keith Whitwell wrote:
 The whole context thing in the kernel is pretty much cruft.  The gamma module 
 used to rely on it, maybe the ffb module if that still exists?  It would be 
 good to see this disappear.

A few Gentoo Sparc folks use ffb, and in some cases it works
(http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65348).
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Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Dave Airlie wrote:
It's one of the major successes I feel of the DRI project, those
snapshots allowed people with Radeon IGP chipsets to get 3d acceleration
long before now (they still can't get it any current distro)
Not quite right -- Gentoo has xorg 6.7.99.x snapshots.
Donnie
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Re: X.Org DRI merge

2004-07-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 03:21, Eric Anholt wrote:
 OK, so current DRI sources have been merged.  Sorry for the CVS logs not
 being clear on the mailing list, but what happened was that after I
 noticed that the Mesa log was huge I went and turned off logging until
 after the conflict resolution.  Probably should have turned it back on
 before conflict resolution.  On a related note, I feel like CVSROOT
 modifications should also go to the mailing list, so people can know,
 OK, anholt's playing around with big imports and things will have
 changed.  Any opposition to doing so?

I'd rather also see huge logs. But that's just me.
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Re: [Dri-devel] DRI/Xfree86 Merge

2004-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 07:54, Alan Hourihane wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 01:18:49AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
  On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 00:00, Alan Hourihane wrote:
   
   I could merge in XFree86 4.3.99.902 which is before the license change
  
  Are you sure? AFAIK David applied the new license (or at least a
  similarly controversial one) to some files before it was publicly
  announced.
  
 Yes, I'm positive that 4.3.99.902 is unencumbered.

I'm pretty sure the autoconfig work, under the X-Oz license (nearly
identical to the problematic one), was in at that point.
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Re: [Dri-devel] CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG needs to be enabled in the kernal

2003-12-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Owen Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there,

   I have just switched to Gentoo Linux (2.4.20 Kernel)
 and I have downloaded a dripkg installation install.sh
 script.  Unfortunately trying to install provides me
 with the following listing in the dri.log.  I have
 emerged xfree-drm but still no joy.  Apparently it
 would seem that I have not got CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG
 enabled in the kernel.  How would I find out if this
 is true (I greped  /proc/config for cmpxchg and got
 nothing at all in response) and then how would I go
 about doing it.

Please set your processor type to anything greater than 386 in your kernel
config (Processor Type and Features section, I believe).




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Re: [Dri-devel] kernel-2.6.0-test{7-8} and radeon drm segfault

2003-10-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 05:28, Louis Garcia wrote:
 I've been playing with kernel-2.6 on redhat's latest beta. With my
 radeon 7500 drm works great. When I boot to kernel-2.6 latest, I
 modprobeagpgart, intel-agp and radeon. Startx and run glxinfo
 and glxgears and both segfault. Anyone else seeing this? This
 also happens if these are build statically. How is the stability of the
 dri drivers in kernel-2.6.x?

Hi, I just dealt with this problem yesterday in Gentoo. You need to
prevent the patch named similar to Mesa-SSE-fixes-from-MesaCVS.patch
from being applied.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30541


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Re: [Dri-devel] DRI proprietary modules

2003-10-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 19:12, Dave Jones wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:46:44PM -0400, John Dennis wrote:
 
   Does anybody know for the proprietary drivers (supplied by ATI and
   Nvidia) which pieces they replace and which pieces they expect to be
   there? The reason I'm asking is to understand the consequences of
   changing an API. I'm curious to the answer in general, but in this
   specific instance the api I'm worried about is between the agpgart
   kernel module and drm kernel module. If the agpgart kernel module
   modifies it's API will that break things for someone who installs a
   proprietary 3D driver? Do the proprietary drivers limit themselves to
   mesa driver and retain the existing kernel services assuming the IOCTL's
   are the same? Or do they replace the kernel drm drivers as well? If so
   do they manage AGP themselves, or do they use the systems agpgart
   driver? Do they replace the systems agpgart driver?
 
 NVIDIA driver can optionally use the kernel agpgart, but also has its
 own built-in.  ATI always use their own agpgart afair.
 
 Change the agpgart API, and they will likely break.

ATI can optionally use kernel agpgart with Option UseInternalAGPGART
no


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