from:"Barry A. Wilson"

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Can';t get IC92AD radio to scan

2009-10-10 Thread Barry A. Wilson

When I first got my IC-92AD I struggled with the manual for over a month and
still couldn't get the radio to do what I thought it was suppose to do.
After I purchased the Nifty Guide available
http://www.niftyaccessories.com/Icom_cards.htm I understood the radio in
about 5 mins.  So if you're having problems I can't stress how invaluable
the Nifty Manual is.  It takes you step by step through the radio functions
in order rather than referring through multiple sections of a poorly written
manual. It is worth every cent you pay for it and not only comes with a
large laminated manual but also a wallet size card.  These manual are
available for most current model radios and I think should be in every Hams
toolbox.

 

73

 

Barry Wilson

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of w3zpi
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:31 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Can';t get IC92AD radio to scan

 

  

Hello Group, 

I have a new IC92AD radio and I have it in daulwatch mode A and B band. The
A band (top)has 300 plus repeaters listed and I would like to get it to
scan. I have tried several time following the instructions from the owner's
manual and each time it doesn't work for me. Does anyone have any idea how I
can get the scan to work?

Ralph - W3ZPI

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Advice with new repeater in the planning stages.

2009-05-22 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Very well stated Nate.



I have to echo your sentiments do get involved in helping maintain clubs
and area repeater systems. Most need your help as 20% of the members do 80%
of the work. If we dont build on our pool of trained and qualified
equipment technicians we may one day be without. Contribute not only with
your willingness to help, but financially to one or more organizations. As
Nate stated the underlying costs arent cheap. In addition to equipment
costs (and Nates right on with Commercial Grade Equipment) many sites have
site rental fees, landline and internet costs, insurance etc. Be ready to
chip in additional when able, it is always appreciated.



When invited to help on a work party do so There is much more involved in
repeater maintenance than just the equipment.  Rights to access some sites
require the amateurs help maintain the site  that might include mowing and
weed control, clearing brush from access roads etc.  Like the scouts Be
Prepared!  Have a go-kit and always have safety gear.  You dont want to be
working around facilities without hard hats, safety glasses, gloves,
climbing harnesses, steal toed shoes, long sleeved shirts, jackets etc. Take
plenty of fluids and snacks along. You may well be in an environment much
different than you left only minutes earlier.





Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B



   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000







From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:58 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Advice with new repeater in the planning
stages.




On Fri, 22 May 2009 02:38:59 -, "fb38052286" mailto:fb38052286%40yahoo.com> >
said:
> I know that with a D-star repeater, the repeater cannot have the same
> callsign as the owner's and one needs to get a frequency pair from the
> repeater council. I read over the application from the repeater
> council's site and it asks for the repeater's callsign. Should I get a
> callsign for the repeater from the fcc first, then apply with the
> repeater council?

The local frequency coordination body is mainly concerned with exactly
that... frequency coordination. If you're putting up a repeater, you
probably already have an idea if you're in a densely populated area
where there are few of the limited number of repeater frequency pairs
available on the band you desire to set up your repeater, or you know
there's room... long before you think about becoming a repeater
owner/operator.

RE: Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-19 Thread Barry A. Wilson

AEDs & Call Sign Routing,

 

I think it was a wise choice to require AEDs on commercial air craft.
If it is never needed then all the better, but if an emergency occurs it may
just be the one tool that saves a life when access to rapid emergency care
is unavailable. For such a small investment in overall costs its a no
brainer. Here in the US there has been strides to get rapid emergency
response and transport to most major communities within 6 minutes.  I know
it can far exceed that time but if youre in a commercial aircraft that
time may be closer to 30 minutes. WAY too long to get back on the ground and
before getting a patient into the medical care system.   

 

   In the early days of aviation flight attendants were often nurses. As
long as I can remember there has always been oxygen on aircraft. AEDs are
just one more tool in the tool box to assist in emergency care and Im glad
they are there.

 

   So when used Call Sign Routing works well. If I were traveling like I use
to it would be ideal to have. In another 5-10 years it may be so common
place that where ever you operate may have access to a gateway connected
system. Just like having an AED accessible on aircraft, shopping malls,
schools, job sites if its available it can be used when needed.  

 

73

 

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B

 

 

   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

 

 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john_ke5c
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:35 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal
Distance)

 






> But to those of us who truly do wish to communicate with an individual 
> (as with those of us who are trained on AEDs), it is nice to have the 
> capability when wanted/needed.

Oh I generally agree. I was just emphasizing how non sequltur the attempted
analogy with debfibrillators on airplanes was.

73 -- John



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Tactical Call indication

2009-05-19 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Ray & John,

 

   It was originally stated to use the MYCALL short message field which is
only 4 characters and I think it has merit but is it legal?

 

e.g. WA4GA   /SEOC

 

This MYCALL / field gets transmitted each and every time the radio
is keyed along with the legal ID if the MYCALL is programmed correctly and
as designed for a government issued call sign. In the United States this
field is probably more appropriately used for call sign extensions like
P-Portable M-Mobile Base operations which is legal under the rules. It is
used however most often with the radio type  /IC91  /2820  /880  I think
there is merit to using the field for tactical calls as its transmitted each
time the radio is keyed and in combination with your assigned amateur radio
call you identify each transmission.

 

 (NOTE:  I know how we identify MYCALL has been left open to local
interpretation because there are a few operators here in Denver that like to
play with  erroneous MYCALL callsigns like RG8U or COAX  because they think
it is cute and as long as they ID in voice they feel using unassigned calls
in digital is OK.  Its not their concern what gets routed and retransmitted
by someone else remotely if on the Gateway.  BAD PRACTICE? Some would say
yes.  I personally will always interpret the rules along with good amateur
practice to operate with the intent of the law and not necessarily how to
get around the rules so as to be cute.) 

 

The option of using a longer TX MESSAGE would not be as wise a choice
for Tactical Calls all though yes, still remains an option.  You have up to
5 storage fields of 20 characters for TX MESSAGE, but this message is only
transmitted on longer transmissions, not each time the radio is keyed. Where
the fault comes in trying to use the TX MESSAGE as a tactical identifier is
this message gets stored briefly in the radio until it receives a newer
message which then over writes the previous message. So it is possible that
if you went to look at the stored TX MESSAGE it could be from a previous
transmission, not necessarily the most recent station heard! From my
experience transmissions have to be somewhat longer to give the radio time
to transmit the programmed TX MESSAGE, much longer than the MYCALL Short
Message 

 

 Since the MYCALL short message is always transmitted I think it makes a
much better choice although maybe not as descriptive you can certainly make
up a lot of Tactical Call Combinations with 4 characters

 

e.g. 

 

EOC  Emergency Operations Center

SEOC  State Emergency Operations Center

SAG  Vehicle to pick up slacking participants

SAG1 Additional SAG Vehicles

MED  Medical

MED1 Additional Medical Resources

ROV Roving

DIR   Director

DDIR  Deputy Director

CKP1  Check Point One

CKP7  Check Point Sever

BIK3  Bike Three

GATE  Main Gate

CHS4  Chase Four

DOC  Doctor

NRS   Nurse

TRK  Truck

CAR  Car

WTR Water

WTR5 Water Station 5

 

See you could go on almost forever creating meaningful Tactical Calls with
just 4 characters and still transmit your government issued amateur radio
call sign on each transmission.

 

 

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B

 

 

   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

 

 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:33 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Tactical Call indication

 






lets see if I understand in a tactical call situation my call would be left
as is and the 
tactical call would be in the message field E.G WA4WGA with the tactical
call Green Primary 1?
- Original Message - 
From: "Woodrick, Ed" mailto:ewoodrick%40ed-com.com> >
To: mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 01:46
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Tactical Call indication

There's a little bit of reality that's being left out of this discussion
that definitely needs 
to be interjected.

When the conversation is using voice, there is absolutely no issues with the
tactical callsigns 
being used on voice. Actually D-STAR makes it much more effective as you
don't have to use voice 
to make the legal identification, you can stay completely in the tactical
callsign realm.

When sending data, remember that you usually have to program a callsign in
the software. This is 
because that the protocol level callsigns are not presented to the software,
the software has to 
create it's own identification. So, in the software you can set a tactical
call and again the 
radios themselves can stay with the legal callsign and the application
handles the tactical 
callsigns.

Now, if you use the space after the / or the short message field to hold a
tactical 
identification, then the information will be seen in most places where the
callsign is 
displayed, such as a radio or repeate

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-15 Thread Barry A. Wilson

John,

I like your idea of using the four digit call sign note for tactical
calls during operations.  It makes perfect use of the stations call sign
while providing a tactical or special event ID. That would work very well on
events when you want to ID Resources as well as who the operators are
leaving little or no confusion.  You also provide a legal & respectable call
route when going through the internet gateways and transmitting on remote
repeaters where the local repeater operator/trustee may not share such a
loose interpretation of the rules such as use of anything goes for the
digital call sign field (MYCALL).

Digression

I often feel like some operators would rather turn amateur radio into
Citizens Band (CB) where anything goes as long as you don't get caught.
Since we already allow Spanish speaking only repeaters on the air, why not
port channel 19 CB and Itinerate radios onto our local amateur airwaves too
so we can be one big happy deregulated family local and abroad. I like
listening to the lot lizards at the local truck stops occasionally. It's so
much fun to listen to them scurry about when law enforcement comes on scene.
Almost as much fun as shooting ground hogs with a .308 and a night vision
scope! Whatever happened to the good old days when kids could get dynamite
at the local COOP store to go blow out stumps. For a bigger bang add a bag
of sodium nitrate fertilizer. Fun times! We don't need to regulate common
sense any more today than we did 40 years ago.  Do We!

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of k7ve
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:49 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 , "Nate Duehr"  wrote:
>
> 
> On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:18:26 -0700, "John Hays"  said:
> 
> > Here is my thought on this.
> > 
> > Radios should be identified by their official callsign (and optional 
> > designator character), tactical / special event callsigns can be put 
> > into the 4 char comment, on voice, or in the message field for SMS. 
> > Certainly, the local repeater could be allowed to pass tactical radio 
> > callsigns, but across the network you are just asking for routing 
> > errors if more than one station decides their callsign of the day is 
> > "TAC1" or "BASE" or "EOC" (mitigated by registration, but then only 
> > one station in the entire network can be "TAC1", in a dynamic 
> > addressed network it would be anarchy).
> 
> It hasn't been "anarchy" yet... I disagree. Yes, you have to watch out
> that you aren't using some tacticals that someone else is using on the
> same day. How often has that happened in the real world yet? :-)
> 

I think in the "real world" you would find that quite often a "tactical
callsign" is in use in multiple locations. (For example, during a hurricane
in the Gulf coast, multiple EOC stations may be on D-STAR at the same time.)
In the dynamic design, you really don't have a database of who's using what
callsign (though such a design would probably have query tools) I see this
design being very dynamic with routing lookups "on demand" with caching. So
the local "gateway" sees your local special callsign and marks it as being
on local repeater "X" and reports to the central data servers, that "EOC" is
now on repeater "X" (based on the "MY EOC" field). The gateway also services
another repeater "Y" and someone now calls "UR EOC" and it routes to
repeater "X", good so far. Now another station on a remote gateway,
servicing repeater "Z", has "MY EOC" set and keys her microphone. The remote
gateway dutifully updates the central data servers that "EOC" is now on
repeater "Z" and sends an advisory notice to your local gateway of this
information. Your local gateway says, oh, "EOC" has moved, I'll update my
hashtable, now the station at repeater "X" keys with "UR EOC" and the
gateway dutifully routes it to remote repeater "Z" ... ooops! 

As I said before, the radio should ID its official callsign ... solving this
problem. Certainly, my aforementioned alternatives would allow net or event
participants to still use "tactical callsigns", an accepted practice in
emergency communications. The use of "tactical callsigns" does not relieve a
station of the responsibility of identifying his transmissions with his own
callsign, so using the official station callsign in the MY field also frees
the operator from having to remember to ID when in the heat of action during
an event.

> > The filter would have to be pretty "loose" but keep it to looking 
> > something like a callsign and definitely could filter certain profane 
> > words.
> 
> Ohh.. now you've opened Pandora's box. Is it the Network's
> responsibility to stop someone from transmitting naughty words in their
> callsign field? :-)
> 

As a repeater trustee, one would have the responsibility to follow rule (in
t

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] ICOM IC-80

2009-05-04 Thread Barry A. Wilson

FYI,

 

   I got to briefly test a new ICOM IC-80 today.  My first observation is it
looked like an IC-91 but thats where it ended. The menus were totally
different so it was a new learning curve just to program it enough to try
both analog and digital transmissions.  

 

   The radio appeared to have only fair at best receive audio reproduction
on both analog and digital. So if youre not planning to use a remote
speaker microphone or headset I dont think most people would be happy with
its audio.  On the other hand it has very good transmit audio on both
analog and digital. 

 

It will be interesting to see what the professional critics say about
the radio.  

 

  I personally would vote and pay a few dollars extra for the IC-91 or cough
up the extra money for the IC-92AD, oh wait I already did!

 

 

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B

 

 

   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

 



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: the I command

2009-04-16 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Nate,

 

   Wow, that's a pretty easy solution. even easier than changing your symbol
for GPS ICON. And that took months!

 

   So are you going to make the "I" something useful like information about
the repeater stack, nodes, frequencies, offsets?

 

   Or something simple like "On top of the world at 10,500 ft AMSL this is
W0CDS Repeater System"

 

Barry

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-STAR from NJ to Indiana

2009-04-05 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Frank,

   Here are a few links that provide D-STAR locations by Maps.

   http://home.comcast.net/~timmik/dstarsearch.html 

   http://www.jfindu.net/DSTARRepeaters.aspx

   Also see Gregs message below.

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B

   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

Greg Sarratt wrote:
> An updated D-STAR map is now available on the Alabama D-STAR web site
showing United States repeater systems. There is a new printable PDF and JPG
for your use. 
>
> http://www.arrl-al.org/2009Dstar_031909b.pdf
> http://www.arrl-al.org/2009Dstar_031909b_800.jpg
> http://www.arrl-al.org/Alabama_link.htm 
>
> Thanks to everyone that provided updates.
>
> 73, 
> Greg Sarratt, W4OZK

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Frank
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:12 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-STAR from NJ to Indiana

Good evening, does anyone know where where I can locate a map or a list of
D-STAR repeaters, like there is for FM analog repeaters. The majority of my
trip will be on the Pennsylvania and Ohio Turnpikes, which I believe is
I-70, then once in Indiana, the name and route number changes to the Indiana
Toll Road, I-80. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

73 de Frank/KB2VYZ

[ED - http://www.dstarusers.org for a directory or Greg Sarett's new map but
I don't have the url handy]

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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] I am looking for....

2009-04-05 Thread Barry A. Wilson

To all concerned,

   Is anyone going to Dayton Hamfest? 

   I think its time we really start hitting up ICOM on this IC-92 connector
problem.  All they have to do is provide us a cable which supplies all nine
usable pins to a connector so that we can start making up our own
configurations. It was stupid to use the 12 pin connector on the radio when
they already were using the 9 pin connectors on their marine band radios. No
one at this point seems to know the source of the connector so that we as a
group could order some 12 pin (9 Usable)  9 wire cables.  Call it a IC-92
Breakout Cable if you will.  But come on ICOM provide us the connector with
all nine wires. Anyone listening?

  Has anyone ordered a GPS Microphone replacement cable to see what pins
are available on it?  Its silly that ICOM cant listen to its customers a
sell a cable that allows us to experiment with the IC-92 radios. After all
isnt that what amateur radio is about, EXPERIMENTING!  

 Unlike the IC-91 where you can connect a speaker microphone and data
cable to the radio, currently you can only connect one or the other on the
IC-92. With the IC-92 data cable connected to a computer for frequency
control and data transmission you can however still work voice through the
handhelds internal microphone and speaker using the PTT at the same time
your transmitting data from the computer. It just gets uncomfortably hot
when on high power after a few minutes.

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B

   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steven Samuel Bosshard (NU5D)
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:17 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] I am looking for

Would a remote spk / mic hookup and a 3 wire rs232 cable with 'RS91 
Control' software let you remote the radio, control the radio via the 
control sw, and handle audio and ptt via the spk / mic? steve nu5d

Mike VA3MW wrote:
> Hi Larry
>
> 
>
> The dongle will be your only way to go sadly. 

-- 
"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die 
so that you may live as you wish." Mother Teresa

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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Legally Identifying?

2009-03-27 Thread Barry A. Wilson

I think everyone should be more concerned about their own identification and
not be so quick to judge others. If youre in the United States

and youre a U.S. Government Admin Law Judge or system trustee you arent
going to be judging these matters in the first place.

 

That being said this of course doesnt mean we cant have our own opinions.
Mine is below. 

 

Now on to Moes final comment


I wouldn't take that interpretation, especially if it doesn't 
automatically ID at the end of a call.



I dont know too many operators that utter the last thing out of their mouth
at the end of a series of transmissions is their call sign!

Most operators add niceties like 73, closing comments, operating signals
like QRT after giving their call. In CW &  RTTY we use

Prosigns  K, SK, VA or AR 

 

So as long as your last transmission contains your call sign then havent
you properly identified?  So your last D-STAR transmission

contains your call sign if you properly program your call in the MYCALL and
dont do something stupid like the lid in Denver

that continues to use RG8U. 

 

I would argue that if your placing information in a transmission which by
design is suppose to contain your legal call or during an

operation which contains a tactical call sign assigned to a group while the
net is using legal calls then youre in violation of the intent of

the law and good amateur operating practices.  

 

§ 97.119   Station identification.

(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station,
must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end
of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication,
for the purpose of clearly making the source of the transmissions from the
station known to those receiving the transmissions. No station may transmit
unidentified communications or signals, or transmit as the station call
sign, any call sign not authorized to the station.

So if contrary to design the operator places anything other than their legal
call sign in the MYCALL I say they are not operating with Good Amateur Radio
Practices. For privacy you may choose not to put anything in the MYCALL
field and only voice ID but then you shouldnt be allowed access through a
repeater or gateway. In other words keep your operation on simplex so as not
to put others at possible legal violations.

 

Perhaps we as a collective group need to institute some self governing and
require only legal calls be in the MYCALL field or remove the user from
access through local repeaters and gateways. This can be accomplished by the
trustee enforcing operating agreements to access local repeaters and
gateways or by the K5TIT group which operates a trust server most systems
use for routing. If we squelch lids now perhaps calls like RG8U will fade
away. 

 

 

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B

 

 

   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

 

 





 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of AB8XA
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:40 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Legally Identifying?

 


> 
> Clear as mud when applied to D-STAR? I think I've heard that DV is a
> "phone" emission. But it carries data, too. It's two mints in one!

Then perhaps it should be required to ID on both.
>
> To be safe - and also to assist those of us driving along the 
> highway and
> can't stare at the display - I'd continue to give a verbal call sign.

Agreed.

> But to challenge the obsolete rules, I'd take the liberal 
> interpretation
> and say the data carries the ID.

I wouldn't take that interpretation, especially if it doesn't 
automatically ID at the end of a call.

--
Moe



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] New U.S. D-STAR map, Updated

2009-03-23 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Greg,

 

Thanks for the updated D-STAR Map. 

 

And for those noticing geographic errors on positions I can tell you I
argued for years with Delrome and others that many local maps were
incorrect.I always had problems with street addresses showing numerical
addresses for North addresses on the South end of the roads etc.  Until
Google Maps started using satellite overlays and topography many locations
were in error. Our repeater site was found to actually be on STARR PEAK and
not Mount Thorodin technically if you're looking at topography. but it was
close enough and is still referred to  by the wrong location by locals. Greg
has done an excellent job. I'm hopefully one day we will have the Lat/Long
of all repeater sites and carry forth Greggs idea as a GIS overlay onto
mapping programs like Google Maps.

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Sarratt
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:03 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] New U.S. D-STAR map, Updated

 

An updated D-STAR map is now available on the Alabama D-STAR web site
showing United States repeater systems. There is a new printable PDF and JPG
for your use. 

http://www.arrl-al.org/2009Dstar_031909b.pdf
http://www.arrl-al.org/2009Dstar_031909b_800.jpg
http://www.arrl-al.org/Alabama_link.htm 

Thanks to everyone that provided updates.

73, 
Greg Sarratt, W4OZK





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[DSTAR_DIGITAL] RE: RF Gateways in the JA D-STAR Network - Auxiliary Stations (Internal Links)

2009-03-11 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Steve,



   I corresponded with Ryota Roy Motobayashi, JJ1WTL who provided the
Japanese Callsign Database.  He provided me an additional link he created

to Japans Special Operation Stations at
<http://motobayashi.net/callsign/enigma/special_op.html>
http://motobayashi.net/callsign/enigma/special_op.html  This link provides a
history of digital communications

and the linking of D-STAR Repeaters and Zones in Japan. I dont know if you
caught that hyperlink on his original page I sent. I didnt, so I guess I
should

look around some more because I find his history of Japanese Amateur Radio
so interesting.  He confirmed I am the original holder of my call sign since

Japan only had the KA#$$ 2x2 format call signs with the exception of KA2FEC
(Far East Command) KA2USA and KA2USF and were issued to US Military

Stations in Japan.



It not only graphs the call signs and frequencies but current and past
microwave links and internal IPs of their JARL Network pretty cool for
D-STAR History.



   Amongst other items he talks about their Discipline Radio Stations  or
MICs which are Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications. These are
their

Enforcement stations which directly call those who are operating their
stations off a designated band. They too have a 27MHz CB Band! Their 156MHz
Band

must be a Marine Radio Band and not Amateur Radio per se.



Roy will be at the Dayton Hamfest. I probably wont be able to make the trip
but of all things he is flying to Denver after the hamfest on United Flight
UA7373



I wonder who designated that flight number coming from Dayton!



73,



  Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ
  D-STAR UR=/WØCDS B

 DD A 1299.9000 RPS
 DV A 1283.9625 -12.000
 DV B 446.9625 -5.
 DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] JA Call Sign Lookup ?

2009-03-10 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Steve,

 

With a little Google Search I was surprised to find the original
Callbook with the horse was no longer searchable I guess its been take
over by online call books

 Anyway this link I found takes you to several pages you can search for
Japanese Calls

 

http://www.motobayashi.net/callsign/index.html

 

   http://www.motobayashi.net/callsign/licensesearch.html

 

See if that helps.

 

 

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ

D-STAR  UR=/WØCDS  B

 

 

   DD A 1299.9000 RPS

DV A 1283.9625 -12.000

DV B 446.9625 -5.

DV C 145.2500 +0.6000

 

 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Bosshard
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:30 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] JA Call Sign Lookup ?

 

Just made contact with JK3AZL, Nani, I think, on JP3YHH module A in Osaka.
Is there a call sign lookup / information website for JA Stations ? 73,
Steve NU5D





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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ID-80 FCC Type Acceptance Approved

2009-03-05 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Nate,

 

   It reads to me like it's a dual band radio. able to only receive one band
at a time and transmit one band at a time. That isn't that the same as the
IC-91AD which had two receivers on for A Band and one for B Band. Most
likely it would cross band (transmit opposite band from the receive).

 

Barry

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:42 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ID-80 FCC Type Acceptance Approved

 

4. It is a dual band (one TX/RX that can switch between 2m/70cm)
> rather than a twin band like the 91/92. (Probably saves power at the
> expense of not being able to monitor two frequencies at the same 
> time.)

Does the manual make it sound like it's a true full-duplex dual- 
bander, or able to receive more than one DV signal at a time?

Nate WY0X



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: First D-Star contact

2009-03-04 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Mike,

 

   From what you said you had your XMIT message set to /WA7FW G  and you
should probably set it to the port which your listening to in this case the
XMIT message should be set to /WA7FW B which is the radio port that your
listening on. 

 

Barry

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Better Idea

2009-02-20 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Evans,

 

   Here in Denver we use A - 1.2GHz  B - 440MHz and C - 144MHz  with very
little activity on A currently.  

 

   We have asked most users to keep W0CDS G in RPTR 2 so that Dongle and
Gateway users can also connect and join us.

 

I think about the only way to know the activity is looking on the
http://www.d-starusers.org/ for current activity in the past 6 hours.  Again
the page is only going to show you stations using the gateway. There could
be a lot of local activity you're not seeing if users don't program the
gateway into RPTR 2.   If you're really interested you can go to each
repeater stack and look to see it's activity for the past 14 days so for our
repeater W0CDS  http://www.d-starusers.org/viewrepeater.php?system=W0CDS
Most of the around town activity is on our B module and we typically use the
C module to link with reflectors. 

 

Barry

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Updates

2009-02-13 Thread Barry A. Wilson

I have few questions  to throw out to the group. 

 

1)  Can JA stations call sign route to each other?

2)  Is there anything in Robins software that would inhibit someone
calling from one country to another? Let's say the FCC restricts US stations
from calling Iran for whatever reason.

3)  How do the rules apply on D-STAR and IRLP if you are in control of a
repeater system in another country if you don't have a reciprocal operating
permit in hand.

4)  Would that be considered third party operating under the repeater
trustees license to their country? 

5)  So that would bring up the question can we only work countries which
have third party agreements with D-STAR and IRLP when accessing via RF?

6)  I would assume the FCC rules wouldn't apply when using the dongle if
the repeater is on foreign soil?

 

I know when operating HF we must consider third party rules. but I haven't
heard much about this on D-STAR or IRLP systems

 

Barry KA0BBQ 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:12 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Updates

 

I think your info that: "The JA stations can connect to Gateways with their
dv dongles, and reflectors but not via RF." is confusing, Steve.

RF:

They can call from RF through their Gateways to our Gateways with
"/REPEATER" routing, but not individual callsign routing. They have no
access to Reflectors from RF at all. 

DV-Dongle:

They can use a DV-Dongle and connect that direct to any of our Gateways or
Reflectors. Normal DV-Dongle behavior, just like we'd bought one.

What doesn't work: Direct callsign routing to/from a JA Amateur between
Trust Server "domains". This is supposedly coming, someday. 

RF from the US: 

We can also "/REPEATER" route to their Gateway equipped repeaters on the
list you provided. We can not individual callsign route to them on the
other Trust Server Domain.

I don't know if Robin has convinced any JA Gateways (or JARL) to run DPlus
(doubt it) on their Gateways, so I doubt Dongle users can connect to their
Gateway equipped systems. That would change things dramatically.

Nate WY0X

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 ]
On Behalf Of Steve Bosshard
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:36 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Updates

JL7HHS is qrv in Dubai via dv dongle - also new repeaters in Slovenia. 

Many JA stations are now using the dv dongle and call sign routing. 

Remember one touch does not work with JA stations. Most set their TX
Message to SET /JP1YIUA (as applicable) to tell folks in other places
how to answer. It is good practice for folks wanting to call JA
stations to set their TX Message to SET /KI4SBAA (as applicable) or
the like so the JA station will know how to answer. If not then speak
yor repeater call and module phonetically and slowly. Make several
calls a few minutes apart in case the receiving station did not get
your reply call sign on the first try. The JA stations can connect to
Gateways with their dv dongles, and reflectors but not via RF. There
are many good contacts to be made.

The list of JA repeaters is at
http://d-star.dyndns.org/misc/Japan_repeater.pdf

Also don't tie up a reflector with a long contact - keep it short -
many stations are connected to reflectors and it is share and share
alike. Very important LEAVE A PAUSE between transmissions so other
stations can check in. In a round table don't just stop transmitting
- direct you call to another station or else there will probably be a
double or triple keyup and no stations will be heard. Listen a few
rounds before you jump in.

73, Steve NU5D

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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

2009-01-29 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Larry,

 

   It is 2m, 70cm, 1.2ghz

 

  A full D-STAR Stack will operate on the 144MHz, 440MHz, and 1.2GHz bands.
Note below that if you have 1.2 GHz you actually have a DV Repeater and a DD
Repeater in addition to the VHF and UHF repeater. Yeah 1.2GHZ is actually
UHF but we don't refer to it as such in Amateur Radio since UHF goes to
3GHz.  So if you own a D-STAR radio and have a repeater controller you
should be able to route to any module in the stack, thus go in on any
frequency and come out on any other frequency (e.g. access the VHF repeater
and come out on any one or all repeaters VHF>VHF, VHF>UHF, VHF>1.2 or
VHF>VHF,UHF, 1.2)

 

ID-RP2C Repeater Controller

ID-RP2D 1.2GHz DD Mode RF Module

ID-RP2V 1.2GHz DV Mode RF Module

ID-RP2000V 144MHz DV Mode RF Module

ID-RP4000V 430(440)MHz DV Mode RF Module 

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of larry allen
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:36 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

 

Greetings...
Sorry for not being more 'up to date' myself... But when you mention of
three bands, which bands are you speaking about... I assume the first two
bands are 2 meters and 450.. but which is the other band?..
Just asking...
Larry ve3fxq

- Original Message - 
From: Erik Finskas 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com   
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: ICOM announced new hand-held and mobile
D-STAR transceivers, ID-80 and ID-880

Still no three-band mobile or handheld.

Have to go with Kenwood TM-741 and Satoshi's DV Adapter then to be able 
to talk D-STAR on all three bands.

Erik

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RE: {Disarmed} [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-STAR to APRS MSG and visa-versa

2009-01-26 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Randall,

 

 D-STAR (Digital Smart Technologies for Amateur Radio) is a digital voice
and data protocol specification developed as the result of research by the
Japan Amateur Radio League to investigate digital technologies for amateur
radio. It connects repeater sites over microwave and internet links to
provide a wide area ham radio network. You don't even need a D-STAR radio to
communicate with D-STAR radios if connected via a gateway.

 

   You can send text messages on D-STAR radios.  Avoiding all the technical
methodology if you connect a computer to a D-STAR radio you can send text
messages, files, pictures etc. with supporting software. All you need is
your D-STAR Radio, a data cable, a computer and a software program readily
available to send messages.  There are size limitations to your file sizes
sent on the DV Mode for efficiency sake.

 

   The radio will beacon short messages which you can either program into
the radio with software or keyboard enter them. Not efficient but works.

 

   If you connect your D-STAR DV capable radio to a computer it will
actually transmit your voice and computer data at the same time on the DV
data stream. So you can talk and send your data at the same time in the DV
mode.  If you have an ID-1 it has both DV and DD modes. in all of the radios
in DV mode your data is sent along with your voice. In the DD mode it is
data only and sent at about ISDN speeds. The DD mode when using a DD
repeater connected to the internet will allow web browsing, e-mail etc. just
like you could do over your home internet connecting except anywhere within
the D-STAR DD Repeater range. I am uncertain how far the range would be
since I don't think we have tested the DD module long distance here. but the
DV range is about 95 miles from the repeater. Oddly enough if you have an
analog signal strength of lets say S3 you may start having difficulty
hearing the transmission. with D-STAR DV Mode it can be heard with a signal
strength of D0. in other words you may not see any signal indication at all
but will have perfect copy. Its pretty much there or goes digital  (R2D2).
With a TNC connected you can communicate directly with other digital modes
when in analog on your D-STAR radio.

 

   The moderator is correct, simply yes. the radio will send data, it will
do everything your analog radio will do plus more. You can send APRS data
through the radio, connect a TNC to your radio, or simple connect a computer
using an RS-232 Data cable and with the ICOM programming software or a
program like D-RATS to send messages.

 

   With D-RATS it will also allow you to connect a GPS to the computer and
via the program you can send position information to other D-RATS users, to
APRS stations etc. You can even send e-mail from your e-mail program through
D-RATS to the internet or any cellular phone with text messaging
connectivity if you know how to do it.  (NEXTEL
xxx...@messaging.nextel.com where xxx is the phone number) .

 

   If you just want to send position information you can connect a GPS using
the data cable directly to a D-STAR radio and send your position every time
you key your radio, or at selected intervals. There is a way to have your
D-STAR position relayed to APRS stations too.  

 

Lucky for you since you live in the Texas booneys.. you can still get on
D-STAR using a D-STAR Dongle from any highspeed internet connection. so you
can talk to any D-STAR repeater with a gateway worldwide. You can  call
individual D-STAR radios, repeaters, or join in on reflectors (D-STAR
roundtables with multiple repeaters linked). 

 

   What D-STAR radio is not is a TNC. But like with any analog radio you can
connect it  to a TNC and you have the same capabilities. But with the added
digital modes you have more state of the art communications, the ability to
use less bandwidth in digital modes, send voice and data simultaneously, and
in many cases better distance than on analog. So with D-STAR you don't need
a TNC to send data. messages. just a cable and a computer with software.

 

Hope that helps a little bit more in understanding D-STAR. Watch some of the
U-TUBE videos too. They will demonstrate a lot of D-STAR capabilities. Below
are some D-STAR links too that are using some of the D-STAR capabilities.

 

.   D-STAR

Calculator 

.   D-STAR Users .ORG   

.   D-STAR Link Directory   

.   D-STAR   Reflectors


.   D-RATS Beta   Downloads


.   D-CHIRP Beta   Downloads 

 

 

73,

 

Barry 

KA0BBQ



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] GPS with D-Star

2009-01-21 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Larry,

 

   If your using an external GPS and wanting to use the computer try using
FransGate( http://franson.com/gpsgate/index.asp?ref=menu ). It will allow
you the parse a COM port to multiple programs.  

 

Like Kenneth said you can also use a program like D-RATS on your PC and
receive GPS data into its program while being able to send data, e-mails,
and files.

 

73

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of larryhayter
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:22 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] GPS with D-Star

 

I have been using D-Star now for about 6 months and enjoy mobiling.
My radio is and IC91AD and I have recently started using the GPS 
function.
Unfortunately, there is only one radio port and when using GPS I 
cannot use other computer connections or software.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to port the GPS data to the radio 
from a PC.
E.g. GPS > PC > Radio.
This way I could switch software instead of cables...just asking!!

73
Larry - VE3LGH

 



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?

2009-01-17 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Daniel,

 

   Actually make that twice.  we recently had a Continental Flight crash on
takeoff here in Denver and amazingly the plane ran off the runway and
dropped over 40 feet into a ravine and was destroyed but everyone evacuated
the aircraft orderly and within about 90 seconds into the cold. the initial
first responders who boarded the aircraft within a couple of minutes were
surprised to find an empty aircraft as it was engulfed in fire and the cabin
full of smoke.  Now you know why the flight crews practice practice practice
and lead us through the evacuation process before every take off.  I think
everyone aboard both of these flights are thankful someone listened and
followed the instructions given by the crew. They are all alive and well.
Kudos for American aviation and yes. even the Rules and Regulations meant to
keep us safe.

 

   The crash also brought to my attention you should always dress in
accordance with the worst weather conditions expected at both departure and
arrival airports. You don't know if you will have to disembark an aircraft
in sub freezing temperatures even though you were prepared to arrive in
sunny Florida dressed in shorts!

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Daniel G. Thompson
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:55 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Gateway registration?

 

I am very greatful that I live in a country where an Airplane can crash land
in a freezing cold river and nobody died... Why, becuase amazingly enough
nobody got greedy and put themselves in front of other people, and for once
it worked!



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] New D-Star Repeater setup

2009-01-16 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Lot,

 

While on DSTAR you have two options which you can implement. one is DSQL
- Digital Call Sign Squelch and the other is CSQL - Digital Code Squelch   

 

   TSQL - Tone Squelch (CTCSS) and DTCS - Digital Tone Squelch are available
on analog modes as before on the D-STAR capable radios

 

   I guess if you set the CSQL you would have to know which one was in use
to access the repeater.  I too thought the idea of "closed repeaters" was
out the door.  I would hope that frequency coordinators would opt to give
out available frequencies to "Open" systems.  In numerous cases HRO in
cooperation with ICOM have made D-STAR Repeater Stacks available to local
sponsors to encourage the use of D-STAR. One of the requirements is that the
systems remain "OPEN" to all D-STAR users during an agreed upon period to
encourage D-STAR use.  The premise Sort of build the repeater systems and
they will come. In reality the equipment grants only provide about 50% of
the actual installation cost. since power supplies, servers, feed lines,
duplexers, and antennas are not included. So it takes quite a commitment to
put in a complete stack with Gateway access ($15-20K if you funded the whole
system). So sysops of the systems provided by HRO/ICOM should be willing to
register valid licensed amateurs. I know it's our local policy to refer
users to someone in their local operating area for registration purposes.
You can only register on one Gateway system otherwise you will create
problems. 

 

Another thing that perhaps will limit the number of jammers is every
D-STAR radio transmits a call sign in DV mode each transmission. Thus even
radios kerchunking the repeater are identified. Also just the initial cost
of purchasing D-STAR capable radios may prevent some from indulging in such
antics. 

 

   I'm not on the technical committee but I believe the Registration
Software currently available is the G2 (Second Generation) D-STAR Gateway
System. I also think you have to pass some form of knowledge proficiency
test to be granted the software to set up a gateway. You don't have to
register if all your doing is working D-STAR on the local repeater. but to
access other repeaters linked via the internet you will need to obtain the
D-STAR Gateway system software.

 

Hope that helps

 

Barry Wilson

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Lot Marquez
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:11 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] New D-Star Repeater setup

 

Hello Everyone, 
Our club just bought a Dstar Repeater and I set it up here at home 
in Claremont, CA to test. (Omni Antenna 35 feet)Later it will be put 
up in Mt. Lukens. Unfortunately I only have one dstar radio and club 
members who have a dstar can't access the repeater. 
If anyone in the mailing list is near my qth, please give it a try 
and let me know if it works. KG6BBQ__B Freq 447.860. The freq will 
change to 446.960 for Mt. Lukens. 

A few questions, we are used to analog and we noticed, there is no 
Pl Tone for the Dstar Repeater, are all Dstar repeater, an open 
repeater? We had problems with jammers in our analog repeater, is 
there a way to lessen this in Dstar? Is there a software that we can 
use to administer users of the dstar repeater? 

Any information will be very much appreciated.

Thanks!
Lot/ k6irf



 



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

2009-01-02 Thread Barry A. Wilson

I think Chuck has made some rather relevant comments on topic without
getting into all the emotional issues of what one thinks is or isn't in the
Rules. I think he has a firm grip on the topic.

 

I too personally feel that we need to address these issues especially with
the capabilities of our D-STAR Technology.  Having an ID-1 with internet
connectivity could easily compromise an operator if a hyperlink routes to an
HTTPS: site.  Or what if we set up an amateur radio backup link for local
hospitals and an e-mail is sent via OUTLOOK with a .zip attachment or
someone request us to relay a file that is password protected. Does that not
contain encrypted information somewhere in the message even if the general
message content is readable.

 

Yes these are grey areas left to interpretation and I feel much like Chuck
that we need to address these What if's before they are needed during actual
emergencies.  I think the FCC respondent was in his own fantasy world when
he said you simply need to grab a commercial / public safety radio to
complete the communications. I think Chuck is well aware many of these
systems go down during actual emergencies so they aren't available.
Evidently this FCC Representative has never been in a disaster area.  If you
haven't worked emergency communications then you have never really seen the
need Chuck is addressing.

 

The last NDMS Exercise we held here in Colorado had a lot of amateur radio
participation. A local hospital here in Denver suffered an actual loss of
their internet connectivity during the day of the exercise and was unable to
enter patient data from incoming casualty patients because they couldn't
access the States https: database.  If they had had access to an ID-1 and
internet connectivity they still couldn't perform their mission directly
with amateur radio as a back up with the system accessing an https: internet
site since that would be using Encryption on amateur Frequencies. Yes
information was passed after the fact but had this been an actually incident
with mass casualties having the ability to use amateur radio would have
ideally completed the data link during the emergency.  Just as a further
note, there has been difficulties with other exercises because the
participants are not familiar with the operation of the States 800MHz system
so it has never worked as anticipated during the exercises and the always
fall back on the amateurs to relay their information. There are also area
communities which operate on non compatible systems like EDACS and DTRS so
they often have trouble linking the systems to communicate between the two.
This is the real world!

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Scott
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:43 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Encryption on Amateur Frequencies

 


Chuck - N8DNX





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[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Whats to be regulated... for what it's worth

2008-12-28 Thread Barry A. Wilson

We have so many self appointed lawyers in our amateur radio community you're
always going to have individual interpretations of what is and isn't
allowable. We are a self regulating service but that doesn't give any
operator the right to dictate what others do because they interpret the
rules differently unless they are the radio trustee.

 

A part of the problem is that regulations don't keep up with technology.  To
say you can't go to a web site because it has commercial content to me is a
bit of a stretch of calling your internet browsing commercial. Since the FCC
allows you to order a pizza over the phone what difference would it be if
you ordered the pizza through their web site?

 

So this brings up the BIG question that were not suppose to encrypt our
transmissions on amateur radio. so does this mean we can't visit an https:
site?  Some would say no you can't because it's encrypted. but then what if
that site is a D-STAR Registration Site and all your doing is amateur radio
related activities?  I would say technically no you couldn't access it via
an amateur digital radio modes, but would I? Most likely I would say yes I
would because it involved an amateur radio activity. 

 

So now were involved in support of a major disaster and all normal lines of
communications are down but by some means an amateur radio D-STAR site has
survived with its internet connectivity intact. Can we pass emergency
traffic that is surely going to help some commercial entity sell their
wares, whether it is medical, construction, or food supplies. I would most
certainly browse the internet on D-STAR and look for suppliers. Even if only
to find emergency generators, snow shovels etc.  

 

So I personally would say "Just Do It"R  as long as you're not in a position
to profit from it and you're not in the business of using amateur radio to
facilitate your business.  Again the rules were born out of common sense and
written on paper, not rock tablets.  The intent of the rules is more not to
run your cab company using amateur radios vice commercial radio, not to
prevent you personally  from calling a cab for a ride home!

 

73

 

Barry

KA0BBQ



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-92AD Service Manual Question

2008-12-26 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Michael,

 

   This may be of some help to you in the future

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Michael A. Waldron
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:17 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] IC-92AD Service Manual Question

 

The usual suspects seem to be out of stock on the Icom Service Manual for
the 92AD, so I was hoping someone here who had one could answer a question
for me.

I'm looking for the Icom part number for the control dial / volume control.
Not the plastic caps, but the actual concentric rotary switch itself. 

I have an order I need to place to Icom parts sometime in the next couple
weeks and I would like to add a couple of those. Based on the experience of
the 92 users in my area that dial is a (the only?) failure point in the 92
(4 of us with 92's 2 have developed an issue where the shaft is bent
slightly and turning volume sticks and turns the outer dial as well). 

Thanks in advance!

-Mike

-- 
Michael A. Waldron, AE0MW
PGP: http://www.mikew.org/mypgpkey.txt

 



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

2008-12-18 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Vajk,

 

The ID-800H has been getting rave reviews around Denver. Unless you need
the added built-in GPS and Dual Watch capabilities of the ICOM 2820 what
I've heard is the ID-800 is the better choice.

 

I have worked a ID-800H mobile user @ 15 Watts with standard dual band
antenna from our Mt. Thorodin (Starr Peak) D-STAR System to Cheyenne, WY
which is about 95 miles  which speaks well for its capabilities. 

 

You can also download the operating manual from ICOM for more specific
information on the radio and it's operation.

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dd...@vajk.de
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:47 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

 

Hello all
I am interested in a ICOM ID-800H to use it with D-Star .. can anyone tell
me 
little more about this rig, cause in Germany it is not available from icom
..
Best wishes,
Vajk / DD1GV

 



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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Programming Problem ?

2008-12-15 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Hmmm..

 

Well I apologize for not paying more attention when I prepared my recent
training. I only checked the manuals for 3 radios. 

I made the assumption ICOMs examples were the same for all radios since the
91, 92, and 2820 were all the same. but regardless

My previous statements still hold true that  UR: Your call is the called
station or CQQCQ while MY: My Call is the calling station 

 

The IC-91A manual I have the .pdf of does not represent the routing as
stated by Tony below as MY UR R1 R2  but as UR R1 R2 MY

just like the manuals for the IC-92AD and IC-2820H. 

 

So when Nate indicated "YOUR: Your call sign" in his example still may be
confusing to some because to me is sounds more like he

was saying UrCALL rather than MyCALL using the ID-800H example given.

 

Now I've laid out how the ICOM manuals appear but don't expect it to display
properly on yahoogroups because it truncates lines

In messages

 

ICOM DV MODE OPERATION on the IC-91A, IC-92AD, and IC-2820H

Station A calling Station B Station A Making CQ area 1
Station A calling Station C

UR :AB UR :CQCQCQ
UR :AC

R1  :A2 R1  :A2
R1  :A2

R2  :NOT USED   R2  :A1
R2  :A4

MY:AA MY:AA
MY:AA

 

ICOM DV MODE OPERATION on the ID-800H

Station A calling Station B Station A Making CQ area 1
Station A calling Station C

MyCALL   :AAMyCALL   :AA
MyCALL   :AA

UrCALL :ABUrCALL :CQCQCQ
UrCALL :AC

RPT1 C  :A2RPT1 C  :A2
RPT1 C  :A2

RPT2 C  :NOT USE RPT2 C  :A1
RPT2 C  :A4

 

Station A:  AA

Station B:  AB

Station C:  AC

Repeater 1: A2

Repeater 2: A1

Repeater 3: A3

Repeater 4: A4

 

So I respectfully submit the following instead:

 

IC-91AD, IC92AD, IC-2820H

UR: CQCQCQ
RPT1: W7MOT++B (if you're on UHF)
RPT2: W7MOT++G
MY: Your callsign (Calling Station)

 

ID-800H

MyCall: Your callsign (Calling Station)

UrCall: CQCQCQ
RPT1: W7MOT++B (if you're on UHF)
RPT2: W7MOT++G

 

73 

 

Barry

KA0BBQ



 

Nate wrote:

 

UR: CQCQCQ
RPT1: W7MOT++B (if you're on UHF)
RPT2: W7MOT++G
YOUR: Your callsign

Tony wrote:

Yep, I've always used

MY
UR
R1
R2

As per the 91AD. :)

>This is the example format I've been using for the entire time I've been
>doing D-STAR examples, and the way they are on even our own local
>website. This is the first anyone's been confused by it?

73 de VK3JED





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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Programming Problem ?

2008-12-14 Thread Barry A. Wilson

OK Nate,

   You almost confused me in your below example. so just so others
understand. 

   The YOUR: Your call sign in your example should actually be represented
by MY: My Call 

   Your Call is always the called stations call sign or CQCQCQ. not to be
confused with your own call. 

   So I suggest we always refer to the other guys call in examples by YOUR
Call (UR:)  and our own call sign by MY Call (MY:) !!!

   It is also always good to refer users to the D-STAR

Calculator so they can enter in the information and get back the correct
call routing.

Learning how to use the calculator will most likely lend itself to a better
understanding of what call routing is all about to the user.

Barry

KA0BBQ

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nate Duehr
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:29 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Programming Problem ?

On Dec 14, 2008, at 2:05 PM, k7ve wrote:
> Are you registered to use the gateway?
>
And by registered he means not just having gone to the Gateway 
website, but also adding a Terminal under Personal Info on the Gateway 
you're registered on.

If you haven't done that, or don't know what it means, contact your 
local Gateway operator for more details.

Are you callsign routing to your friend, or are you using dPlus 
linking of the repeaters? If you have your friend link to your 
repeater from here, and have the following in your radio...

UR: CQCQCQ
RPT1: W7MOT++B (if you're on UHF)
RPT2: W7MOT++G
YOUR: Your callsign

(I like to use "+" to represent SPACEs in e-mails. Use SPACES, of 
course, in your rig.)

If you're saying that this works locally:

UR: CQCQCQ
RPT1: W7MOT++B
RPT2: W7MOT++C
Your: Your callsign

This is because you're not using the Gateway at all in that 
configuration. You're routing via the repeater controller only.

Anyone, registered or unregistered can do this on a multiple-module 
system. It's when you have the Gateway in RPT2, that you must be 
fully and completely registered with a terminal on the system, before 
anyone will hear you.

Holler if you need more help... plenty of folks here who know how this 
all works.

73, maybe talk to you on W0CDS sometime...

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
W0CDS Gateway Admin
(The guys on the other end - Colorado! GRIN...)

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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Digest Number 555

2008-12-03 Thread Barry A. Wilson

 

 

Gene,

 

   Im not a technician or ICOM guru but the Clone > CPU circuit is used
with the cloning cable which allows you to connect two radios and transfer
programming data.

 

   The OPTV is a port for optional unit voltage control signals. (Switching
(MIC) or [DET] circuit.) When LOW Optional unit is active.

 

   I dont have the GPS microphone and nobody has told the forum how it is
wired.  I do know that the microphone is sending GPS Signal Data to the
radio even when the microphone isnt being keyed so this may be what the
OPTV control circuit is being use for anybody know for sure?

 

   I think LTW Technology Inc. may be the manufacture of the ICOM connector
on the IC-92AD.  ICOM uses them for a variety of their cables and
connectors.. I spoke with an ICOM technician and he couldnt identify if LTW
actually makes the cables for IC-92AD because he cant find any markings on
their components but if anyone finds out he would like to know as well. He
pretty much told me if we wanted to use a speaker microphone and data at the
same time then we just need to get and IC-91AD.  I think thats stupid when
all we need is for ICOM to provide proper cables he seemed to think the GPS
Microphone cable would not work for that purpose.

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of genedathe
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:54 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Digest Number 555

 

That darn connector! Thanks a ton Barry for replying off list to help
with my confusion. I still have some minor questions for the group:

Pin 3: Clone > CPU and
Pin 9: OPTV > CPU 

What are they for in plain English?

Also (and yeah, I'm missing something very basic here):

Is pin 2 the PTT? Grounding this pin TRANSMITS?

Thanks to all!

Gene 73 de NAØG





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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Digest Number 555

2008-12-01 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Vajak,

 

   Using the ICOM Data cable you can connect the ICOM 92AD to a computer
but the discussion here has been having an ICOM connector for the radio
capable to connect the data connection, microphone, and speaker at the same
time. ICOM did not wire all nine pins in their data cable!

 

   So what I was trying to indicate there is a DB9 Standard for Computers
that standard is not the same as the pin out for the connector on the radio.
RS-232 standards(EIA-232) are defined by EIA/TIA (Electronic Industries
Alliance /Telecommunications Industry Association). RS-232 defines both the
physical and electrical characteristics of the interface. The ICOM pin out
does not meet the standard. I was not saying there are not RS232 signals
available just that if you wire all the pins on the ICOM connector to a DB9
Serial Connector youre going to have problems and most likely damage the
radio. Is this an erroneous statement?

 

RS-232 DB9 Pin Signal   ICOM Chassis 12 Pin 

1 DCD In Data Carrier Detect1  Microphone

2 RxD In Receive Data   2  +5v

3 TxD Out Transmit Data 3  Clone à CPU

4 DTR Out Data Terminal Ready   4  RS232C RX232

5 GND - Ground  5  RS232C TX232

6 DSR In Data Set Ready 6  Ground

7 RTS Out Request To Send   7  Speaker

8 CTS In Clear To Send  8  Ground

9 RI In Ring Indicator  9  OPTV à CPU

10 NC

11 NC

12 NC

 

I yield to those that understand this better than I do but I am not going
to wire a connector pin for pin on my radio to the RS232 Standard DB9 and
plug it into a computer until someone else proves it wont damage a radio.
See the attached chassis pin out for the ICOM radio and the DB9 Standard!

 

73

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:42 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Digest Number 555

 

Dear Barry,

 

> Re: IC-92AD Connector

> Posted by: "Barry A. Wilson"  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ka0bbq

>  Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:50 am (PST)

>  Jon,

>  There are in fact only 9 connections internal to the IC-92AD 12 Pin

>  connector. The other connections go nowhere. As I indicated in another

> post the connection on the DB-9 connector cables supplied by ICOM is not

> RS-232 compliant and perhaps the reason why they chose not to wire up more

> of the Data Cable pins to the connector.

 

I do not really understand it - the 92D has a full RS232-In/Out and can 

directly be connected to the RS232 of an PC. The service manual shows it 

also.

 

>  Has anyone opened up the GPS microphone for the IC-92AD to see how many

>  conduits are in the microphone cord? I'm curious if we could just
purchase

>  replacement microphone cables with the waterproof connector already
molded

>  to the cable. I assume it's has to carry several more conduits than the

>  Data Cable since it has to carry the Speaker and Mic Data and voltage to

>  power the GPS unit from the radio itself.

it looks like you do not look an the service manual, isn't so?

 

And have a look at the HM-75A, there are remotefunctions ... 

 

And what is with the "HM 174" does it use perhaps the same cable like the 

gps-version?

 

>  Barry

>  KA0BBQ

 

Vy73

Vajk / DD1GV

 

 



 

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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector

2008-12-01 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Jon,

   There are in fact only 9 connections internal to the IC-92AD 12 Pin
connector. The other connections go nowhere.  As I indicated in another post
the connection on the DB-9 connector cables supplied by ICOM is not RS-232
compliant and perhaps the reason why they chose not to wire up more of the
Data Cable pins to the connector.

   Has anyone opened up the GPS microphone for the IC-92AD to see how many
conduits are in the microphone cord?  I'm curious if we could just purchase
replacement microphone cables with the waterproof connector already molded
to the cable.  I assume it's has to carry several more conduits than the
Data Cable since it has to carry the Speaker and Mic Data and voltage to
power the GPS unit from the radio itself.

Barry

KA0BBQ

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jon M. Hanson
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:24 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector

What did you expect ICOM to do with a connector that carries power, 
audio, GPS data, push-to-talk line, and grounds for all of those 
(probably separate grounds for each)? I just looked at mine and there 
are 12 pins in there. If they made separate connectors for each then 
it probably would have violated the dimensions they were designing for 
making the unit much less compact not to mention having all kinds of 
wires sticking out of it making it cumbersome.
---
Jon M. Hanson (N7ZVJ)
Weblog: http://the-hansons-az.net/wordpress/
Homepage: http://the-hansons-az.net/
Jabber IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Scott wrote:

> --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 , "Dr. Joe Mesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > There is a solution!
> >
> > But if you look at this like most of us anything past FREE is never
> > affordable.
> >
> > Mark, KJ4VO at the HRO Atlanta store and I have been researching
> this. No
> > one has the proprietary connector, period. I have not been able to
> locate
> > the custom waterproof connector vendor that Icom uses either.
> >
> > It turns out that the ONLY way we have found using any supplier to
> do this
> > is to order the microphone cable from the GPS microphone. It is
> perfect
>
> Good to know. The suppliers I get my speaker mic cables from are
> actually factories that produce speaker mics and things for companies
> like Kenwood. Unfortunately they don't have this one, and if it turns
> out that the tooling is owned by ICOM and is completely proprietary,
> then there's not much alternative but to have a new mold made even if
> I can find the factory.
>
> What's the cheapest accessory that has this connector type, regardless
> of which pins are wired? If I do have them produced, I'll need to
> send a couple of samples in for analysis.
>
> Scott
> N1VG
>
>
> 

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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector

2008-11-28 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Scott,

 

   I looked at the Hirose LF Series connector and the pin location shown in
their .pdf page 5 (http://www.hirose.co.jp/cataloge_hp/e13600011.pdf ) isn't
anything close to the ICOM connector not to mention the alignment of the
Hirose LF Series Connector is a slot instead of a flat side on part of the
connector.  The Hirose connectors actually appear more durable .  I wonder
how hard it would be for them to retool and produce ICOM style connectors?

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:12 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector

 

I'm not objecting to the use of that connector - though it would have
been nice if they'd used a readily available connector. It looks a
lot like a Hirose LF series, which isn't exactly cheap, but at $12
it's not bad and it's ruggedized and waterproof.

If I can get equivalent cables made in lower quantities and still sell
them for a lower price after paying for custom tooling, then I think
that's a pretty good sign that the price they're charging is excessive.

I think there could also be a market for a simpler cable that's not
threaded and waterproof. How often do you need a waterproof data
cable when you're using it with a laptop that's probably not waterproof?

Scott
N1VG

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 , "Dr. Joe Mesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> And,,, Three of those pins are spares! But remember that the
whole thing
> is water proof to the test specs of the entire radio. BUT. It is
what it
> is guys.
> 
> AND it is obtainable like most things in life for $$$.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.Joe / W8SS / Mesh Engineering / Trustee & Sysop on D-Star for
K8LCD
> AKA: Dr. Joe Mesh, D.M.D., C.A.G.S. (Prosthodontics) 
> from beautiful downtown HELL, Michigan 
> Always available at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

>  
> See us on the web at:
> 
> W8SS, W8SSS & K8LCD all on QRZ.com and at drsmesh.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 
[mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 ]
> On Behalf Of Jon M. Hanson
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:24 PM
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 

> Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector
> 
> 
> 
> What did you expect ICOM to do with a connector that carries power, 
> audio, GPS data, push-to-talk line, and grounds for all of those 
> (probably separate grounds for each)? I just looked at mine and there 
> are 12 pins in there. If they made separate connectors for each then 
> it probably would have violated the dimensions they were designing for 
> making the unit much less compact not to mention having all kinds of 
> wires sticking out of it making it cumbersome.
> ---
> Jon M. Hanson (N7ZVJ)
> Weblog: http://the-hansons-az.net/wordpress/
> Homepage: http://the-hansons-az.net/
> Jabber IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> 
> On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Scott wrote:
> 
> > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 
>  , "Dr. Joe Mesh"  wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a solution!
> > >
> > > But if you look at this like most of us anything past FREE is never
> > > affordable.
> > >
> > > Mark, KJ4VO at the HRO Atlanta store and I have been researching
> > this. No
> > > one has the proprietary connector, period. I have not been able to
> > locate
> > > the custom waterproof connector vendor that Icom uses either.
> > >
> > > It turns out that the ONLY way we have found using any supplier to
> > do this
> > > is to order the microphone cable from the GPS microphone. It is
> > perfect
> >
> > Good to know. The suppliers I get my speaker mic cables from are
> > actually factories that produce speaker mics and things for companies
> > like Kenwood. Unfortunately they don't have this one, and if it turns
> > out that the tooling is owned by ICOM and is completely proprietary,
> > then there's not much alternative but to have a new mold made even if
> > I can find the factory.
> >
> > What's the cheapest accessory that has this connector type, regardless
> > of which pins are wired? If I do have them produced, I'll need to
> > send a couple of samples in for analysis.
> >
> > Scott
> > N1VG
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 



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FW: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector

2008-11-28 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Scott,

   What I find interesting is ICOM has numerous connectors In their MARINE
RADIO line which are waterproof and quite similar to this connector. except
the maximum number of pins in them is 9.  Since only 9 of the 12 pins are
used in the ICOM 92AD.. Wonder why they inserted a twelve pin connector
which would be less durable than the 9 pin.   I am assuming the reason they
don't have a cable with all pins connected to a DB-9 is because the voltages
are different than with an RS-232 standard DB-9 serial connector and they
don't want to be blamed for a radios damaged by connecting the radio to a
computer or other device.  

   What ever you find let please keep me in your loop. I would be interested
in the cables if they support all of the pins.  there is actually a local
manufacture which has designed a GPS Microphone which has cables for just
about every commercial radio produced including the ICOM line but they can't
get the cable for the 12 PIN connector either. and their GPS microphone is
way cooler than the ICOM GPS mic. and is actually a commercial version of
the unit they sell to the US Military Special Forces.  The only difference
is the commercial model isn't rated for scuba diving.

Barry

KA0BBQ

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:12 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector

I'm not objecting to the use of that connector - though it would have
been nice if they'd used a readily available connector. It looks a
lot like a Hirose LF series, which isn't exactly cheap, but at $12
it's not bad and it's ruggedized and waterproof.

If I can get equivalent cables made in lower quantities and still sell
them for a lower price after paying for custom tooling, then I think
that's a pretty good sign that the price they're charging is excessive.

I think there could also be a market for a simpler cable that's not
threaded and waterproof. How often do you need a waterproof data
cable when you're using it with a laptop that's probably not waterproof?

Scott
N1VG

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 , "Dr. Joe Mesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> And,,, Three of those pins are spares! But remember that the
whole thing
> is water proof to the test specs of the entire radio. BUT. It is
what it
> is guys.
> 
> AND it is obtainable like most things in life for $$$.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.Joe / W8SS / Mesh Engineering / Trustee & Sysop on D-Star for
K8LCD
> AKA: Dr. Joe Mesh, D.M.D., C.A.G.S. (Prosthodontics) 
> from beautiful downtown HELL, Michigan 
> Always available at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

>  
> See us on the web at:
> 
> W8SS, W8SSS & K8LCD all on QRZ.com and at drsmesh.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
 ]
> On Behalf Of Jon M. Hanson
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:24 PM
> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 

> Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: IC-92AD Connector
> 
> 
> 
> What did you expect ICOM to do with a connector that carries power, 
> audio, GPS data, push-to-talk line, and grounds for all of those 
> (probably separate grounds for each)? I just looked at mine and there 
> are 12 pins in there. If they made separate connectors for each then 
> it probably would have violated the dimensions they were designing for 
> making the unit much less compact not to mention having all kinds of 
> wires sticking out of it making it cumbersome.
> ---
> Jon M. Hanson (N7ZVJ)
> Weblog: http://the-hansons-az.net/wordpress/
> Homepage: http://the-hansons-az.net/
> Jabber IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> 
> On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Scott wrote:
> 
> > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com

>  , "Dr. Joe Mesh"  wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a solution!
> > >
> > > But if you look at this like most of us anything past FREE is never
> > > affordable.
> > >
> > > Mark, KJ4VO at the HRO Atlanta store and I have been researching
> > this. No
> > > one has the proprietary connector, period. I have not been able to
> > locate
> > > the custom waterproof connector vendor that Icom uses either.
> > >
> > > It turns out that the ONLY way we have found using any supplier to
> > do this
> > > is to order the microphone cable from the GPS microphone. It is
> > perfect
> >
> > Good to know. The suppliers I get my speaker mic cables from are
> > actually factories that produce speaker mics and things for companies
> > like Kenwood. Unfortunately they don't have this one, and if it turns
> > out that the tooling is owned by ICOM and is completely proprietary,
> > then there's no

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Star simplex frequency

2008-11-14 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Bruce,

 

I dont think there is enough use of D*STAR here in Denver yet to
dictate our users shifting to simplex use unless were on an operation and in
close proximity of other users.

 

   We do already have a suggested simplex matrix in Denver not only for
D*STAR VHF & UHF but also working channels for various ARES Districts in the
Denver Metro Area.

 

   Were using 145.670MHZ DV for VHF Calling and 146.505MHz Interoperation

   Were using 446.100MHZ DV for UHF Calling and 445.950MHz Interoperation

 

   Then we have 4 VHF and 4 UHF Simplex frequencies set up for ARES
Districts in our FEMA North Central Region.  To my understanding this
helpful list was set up by one of our first D*STAR advocates Randy NQ0R
which is very familiar with radio communications in our region and made a
best effort not to assign frequencies already used for other groups like
PACKET and Simplex Analog Voice.

 

   I am not understanding why a D*STAR user would not be hearing analog
users unless they turned of FM DET on their D*STAR radios. It should be
detecting an analog signal while in DV mode and switch your DV mode to FM
Narrow while receiving the signal.  On the other hand if an analog user
hears a hiss intermittently breaking squelch they should over time become
familiar with other shared services on the air much like we do on HF!

 

73

 

Barry Wilson

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of bruce mallon
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:23 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Star simplex frequency

 

Has any thought being givin to simplex ?
ï¿½
Here in Tampabay we have FMï¿½nets on 147.550 and what I am seeing is some
d-star users who don't seem to hear them tring to use that frequency at the
same time.
ï¿½
If d-star has a simplex spot let me knowe and i'll pass it along.

[ED - In many areas, 145.67 is used for DSTAR simplex.]


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RE: [dstar_digital] Re: radio programming

2008-10-31 Thread Barry A. Wilson

I listen a lot on D*STAR and actually hear many calls go unanswered. In
reality I want to respond but at the same time don't want to appear to be
hogging the system always being the one to join in for a quick conversation.


 

I too know quite a few local hams that have D*STAR radios but have never
used them and I must assume it's due to their complexity. Someone is going
to have to step up to the plate and start educating these users on the how
too's to operate. I have been learning by trial and error. I think more
error than trial.  Just ask Nate about the night we were chatting and
Philadelphia PA jumped in to remind me I was still linked to their repeater.
I didn't know I had to clear a call from someone I had chatted with earlier
in the day.  I love this technology and think we've only scratched the
surface of its potential. 

 

During the Democratic National Convention I was programming radio's here in
Denver left and right so new users could at least get on the air with their
radio's for the first time. Although they didn't get much use at the time it
became apparent how useful D*STAR would be to an organization like the
Salvation Army. Operators are often deployed throughout the region or even
between regions. Having call sign routing of individuals which travel makes
it easy for their logistics communications especially for support of major
operations. When sharing out your .icf files just make sure you tell others
to change the MY CALL sign entry or you may be hearing yourself often!  Not
to mention we still have an RG8U that pops up around Denver now and then.

 

I have spent more time learning about my ICOM 92AD than any other radio I've
owned.  I think I can navigate through just about everything except the GPS
functions. guess they are next.  But its interesting to hear you guys ask
questions about the other radios. Maybe one day I too will have a mobile
radio. Until then I can only learn about them and help others program their
radios.

 

If I can talk our local D*STAR guru Nate into bringing his software to work
one day I am going to meet up with him and change his name from LJ back to
Nate!

 

73

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

RE: [dstar_digital] Sync. cable

2008-10-25 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Mike,

   This may be a bit of semantics but for the sake of argument if the USB
interface on the Garmin GPS isn't serial. then what is it?

USB is a serial interface hence Universal Serial Bus!

I think the problem becomes which class of device your attempting to use
with which device drivers.  That's why different USB to DB9 connectors
appear to work differently with different pieces of equipment. You may find
some device drivers will work when others won't depending on the device
class and it's host controller speeds. 

   I have found that the DYNEX
  DX-UBDB9 works best for most of my serial conversion requirements and
the ICOM RS-91 & RS-92 Software.  I don't have any other D*STAR Radios yet
to test on.  There are exceptions however and that's where the more
expensive MCT USB
  232
Converter U232-P9(2.4) recommended by Garmin and www.pfranc.com comes in
handy. Not to mention it has a Link, TX & RX LED to show signaling. I use it
with my KAM TNC.

So if you think we have enough problems just wait till the USB 3.0 start
appearing on the market. We will have even more problems to deal with as if
there weren't enough between serial standards like RS232, USB 1.0, USB 1.1,
USB 2.0. So it's like are standards really standards? It can only become
more fun!

~Barry

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Michael A. Waldron
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 4:39 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] Sync. cable

You can't use the USB interface on your Garmin GPS, the ID-800 requires a
serial interface. 

Some Garmin GPS units also provide a serial interface, but not all. The
connector varies but typically it's a 4-pin cable either round with 4 pins
or flat with 4 spring contacts. 

There was a gentleman at Dayton working on a small translator that would
enable the USB interface to speak RS-232 NEMA, he had a working prototype
but I've yet to see (nor have I looked for) any results from his project. 

If your GPS has a serial interface, check out www.pfranc.com for a cable (or
the parts to make a cable).

-Mike

Jim wrote:
> 
> 
> I have an ID 800 I want to plug Garman GPS into the GPS has a mini USB
> on 1 end and a USB on other is there any cables out there othere then
> the Icom 1s I can get to hook the 2 up
> 
> 

-- 
Michael A. Waldron, AE0MW
PGP: http://www.mikew.org/mypgpkey.txt

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RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Article in Popular Communications

2008-10-21 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Dale,

 

   Sounds like you live in an isolated area. Some people would enjoy that. At 
least you can master your long distant and HF communications. Try working 
satellite… they won’t know how isolated you are. As for D*STAR you could go the 
cheap route and purchase a dongle and work via the internet if you have a high 
speed connection. Then there is always echolink!  Just teasing you. I 
understand your point. It seems most new hams aren’t even taking the time to 
learn the theory, just learning the answers to the test. I guess I fault the 
guys that encourage that methodology because like you say it’s just promoting 
the appliance operators. I think on the other hand we have some really sharp 
people joining the ranks that are interested in new technologies and perhaps 
the no code licenses has opened the door for them to join the amateur ranks. 
They will add their expertise through computer technologies and programming 
rather than hardware and RF technologies.

 

   We took the approach here in Denver that if we build a D*STAR system the 
users will come.  We organized a group and formed an non-profit corporation 
called Colorado D*STAR LLC. We set up committees and assigned tasks. We were 
lucky to live in a large metropolitan area. We were able to submit a proposal 
to obtain equipment on a lease as long as it was made available to all users 
unrestricted and without dues.  Fortunately we also had a few members with 
deeper pockets than most willing to make it a reality. For months before we 
went on the air HRO couldn’t keep radios on the shelf just knowing there was 
going to be a repeater on the air soon. We now have a full D*STAR Stack on the 
air at 10,500 MSL which covers a pretty large area of North Eastern Colorado. 
With the gateway we can communicate to any other area with a gateway.  If you 
were able to set up even a single band repeater on 1.2GHz with gateway in your 
area then at least you would be in communications with the rest of the D*STAR 
community world-wide (limited exception with Japan). Setting it up on 1.2GHz 
you would encourage other Hams to purchase the ID-1 assuming you purchased both 
voice repeater and data modules for 1.2GHz.  A lot of the technology is 
happening with the software like D*RATS that runs on D*STAR.  That’s where 
innovation will happen with the digital technology.

 

   We too hear all the complaints about how much a D*STAR radio costs but how 
many people that had good cell phones went out and paid over $500 to get a new 
iPHONE?  They could have purchased a D*STAR radio for less than the iPHONE. And 
guess what? Only one manufacture provided the phone, much like only one 
manufacture is providing D*STAR currently.  Others will come when they see a 
demand for the newer technologies. There is already a group that has developed 
APRS.fi which works with the iPHONE to get real time APRS tracking on the 
iPHONE and similar PDA’s. It’s only a matter of time that the newer 
technologies will catch on in amateur radio.  Who knows, maybe the radio 
manufactures will start putting $5 GPS chips in all radios so we don’t have to 
spend $350 for a microphone with the chip installed!

 

Barry KA0BBQ

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DALE BLANCHARD
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:34 PM
To: dstar digital
Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Article in Popular Communications

 

I have D-Star because I like learning about the technology but I think it will 
have very little use for the average Ham mentality, especially the newbee's. 
We still cannot get them on 220 or 6 meters. Most are on PTT 2 meters a few on 
440. 
Took a long time to get them to discover Simplex instead of talking to next 
door thru a 4 state repeater.. 
Most hams I know do not know what all D-star will do and knock it because it 
cost more. 
Seems to be a solution for a non existent problem. 
My next radio will be a ID-1, so I will have another radio I can not find any 
one to talk to. 
But I get to play with the technology and talk to my self.. 
That is what I liked about Packet. I could link to my self thru several states 
and not find any one but me. 
But I could send packets to my self. all the way from NV to Idaho and back thru 
Utah. 
Then the Net Rom nuts took over and screwed up Hams doing it there selves. Then 
no one understood how it worked. 
Dale 

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve" < kb9mwr @yahoo.com> 
To: " dstar digital" < dstar _digital@ yahoogroups .com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:03:18 PM ( GMT-0800 ) America/ Los_Angeles 
Subject: [ dstar _digital] Re: Article in Popular Communications 

 



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RE: [dstar_digital] machines that cover JFK airport

2008-10-14 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Ray,

 

To address the first part of your message... you have an option on the
IC-92AD to display in small or large font. The large font may help Your lack
of visual acuity (calibration). For me I'm near sighted and have to remove
my glasses to see up close because a friend of mine scratched my Progressive
lenses.

 

   To check for large font size on the IC-92AD:

 

MENU

   Display

  Font Size

Large

 

Hope that helps!

 

Barry KA0BBQ

 

-Original Message-
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:35 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dstar_digital] machines that cover JFK airport

 

not sure I'll be able to do anything with the DSTAR side of the 92 because
of my lack of calibrated 

eyeballs but what are the freqs and tones for machines that cover the JFK
airport area?  I'm going to be 

there for about 3 hours on 1 November.  Thanks.

Ray T. Mahorney

WA4WGA

UK call sign M0WGA

 



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RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???

2008-10-13 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Richard,

   Both of the cables supplied by ICOM are sealed cables at both ends.  ICOM
supplies the OPC-1799 Data Communications cable with only 3 pins connected
to the DB 9 connector

  pin 2 (+5v) 

  pin 3 (Clone > CPU) 

  pin 5 (TX232) 

So in their infinite wisdom they supply a 12 Pin Jack Assembly on the
radio to a 9 Pin Sub D Connector using only 3 wires! 

  I mean come on ICOM .  supply us with a cable terminated to the 9 Pin Sub
D so we can break out the signals as we desire. OK charge me another $55 for
the cable. but at least provide it so we can determine what we as a user
want to interface to our radio!

   Yeah those microphones actually cost about the same as the ICOM
microphone less the radio cable. So you can purchase cables to adapt to most
commercial radios on the market but your getting a stand alone GPS unit, a
microphone you can adapt to all of your radios, and the ability to send
short text messages. The DTMF tones for the longest message only burst for
about 1.5 seconds if I remember correctly. You can see other team members on
your display from your location by distance and elevation. You can also
click on the desired team member ICON and address your text message to the
individual or to your whole team.

Barry

KA0BBQ

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of rrkpl
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:36 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???

Hi Barry,

I'm using the same setup as Mike KI5M is using, the Mirage BD-35. It puts
out about 40 watts 
on the MID (2.5W) setting on the 92AD and works fine in the house and car.
It gives the 
flexibility of having a HT and base/mobile rig for about $180 more than the
92 costs. 

I wonder if the OPC-1799 data cable could be opened up and run a couple of
more pairs for 
the audio? I haven't seen the mic/data connector in person, is it a sealed
unit or does it disassemble?

Also that GPS mic you included the info for is way cool. I'm a little
sceptical about laying out 
the bux for the Icom GPS mic but if the Infinity GPS mic would interface to
the Icom I'd snap it 
up in a second.

Richard / N1VXW

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com> , "Barry A. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
> 
> 
> 
> Well that makes sense and adds another element to why you don't want to
> use the radios speaker and microphone. Which amplifier are you using?

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RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???

2008-10-13 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Hi Richard,

 

   Well that makes sense and adds another element to why you dont want to
use the radios speaker and microphone. Which amplifier are you using? My
friend Gerry KC0CAT has a small VHF/UHF Amplifier running 50/45 Watts which
he uses with his IC-91AD and it seems to work fine for his mobile rig
digital. 

 

   In reality its really not a design flaw with the radio as a single
waterproof connection is ideal to the integrity of the radios water tight
construction. The flaw lies with ICOMs marketing of accessories. They offer
very few alternatives of their own to adapt ancillary equipment to their
radio.

 

   I purchased the OPC-1797 Connection Cable to use one of my existing ICOM
Speaker Microphones to the radio but you have this big mess of
interconnection hanging off the radios pigtail.  Of course if you want to
use the data port for data you have to swap the OPC-1797 with the OPC-1799
Data Communications Cable.  Perhaps they need to come out with an OPC-1800
Multipurpose Cable that would extend out 9 of the 12 usable pins.  This
brings up another question why use a 12 Pin connector when they use 9 Pin
connectors on many of their Marine Radios?  Not all 12 Pins are connected.

 

Im still looking for the allusive 12-PIN connector itself but eh here is
the pin out!

Chassis Part Ref No.W1

Order No. 8900016810

Description  OPC-1792 (Incl. W2)

 

Chassis Part Ref No.W2

Order No. 8900016791

Description  OPC-1763A

 

cid:image003.png@01C8D05B.F5F5B0E0

 

1 Microphone

2 +5V

3 Clone à CPU

4 RS 232C  RX232

5 RS 232C  TX232

6 Ground

7 Speaker

8 Ground

9 OPTV à CPU

10 NC

11 NC

12 NC

 

 

 

Here in Denver  House of Cables is willing to manufacture just about any
type of cable we desire we just cant find the plugs manufacture. Another
company here in Colorado manufactures a GPS Speaker Microphone for the
military and has recently gained approval to market it commercially (however
not a submersible variant) that isnt much larger than the ICOM GPS
Microphone and provides an LCD screen right on the microphone itself, which
when separated from the radio will work as a stand-alone GPS too. Not to
mention the fact the microphone can send text messages using DTMF tone
bursts to other microphone users, keep track of up to 6 other users on your
team, multiple teams etc.  Guess this was based on the military version for
special forces squads or something. But for those with IC-91AD radios they
already have a speaker microphone connector for the radio just doesnt
interface with the data port on your radio.

 

http://infinitygearradios.com/pdfs/GPS-MIC-1-Specs-Q2-WEB.pdf

http://infinitygearradios.com/pdfs/GPS-MIC-1-Connectors-WEB.pdf

 

 

Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ  W0CDS  B

ARES CO District 13 Emergency Coordinator

Serving City and County of Denver

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cellular 303-748-3665

 

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of rrkpl
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:00 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???

 

Hi Jon,

In my particular application I need to have the radio connected to an amp to
hit the repeater from my house. It would just make it a lot cleaner not
having to pick up the radio 
with all the wires hanging off it and use an external mic. With the 91 you
could simulate 
the base station experience and have the radio hooked to a computer, amp and
12v 
supply.

Thanks,

Richard / N1VXW

 



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RE: [dstar_digital] Voice and Data on 92AD???

2008-10-13 Thread Barry A. Wilson

Richard,

 

   It amazes me your not the first to complain of this problem with the
IC-92AD single 12 PIN connector. Maybe ICOM will reveal the connector
supplier so we can finally get cables made at reasonable rates. Until then
why don't you just pick up the handheld and key the PTT and talk into the
microphone. With the radio connected for data it doesn't mute the speaker or
microphone like when the speaker mic is plugged in.  So I don't really
understand why this is a poor implementation. not everyone keeps a speaker
mic plugged into their radios all the time and you can use the radio without
investment in a speaker mic. And after programming several of my friends
IC-91 Radios I can tell you I much prefer the solid locked connector on the
IC-92AD. Several times the mini phone plug came out of the IC-91AD radios
jack while moving it around. This won't happen on the 92 AD!

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

W0CDS  B

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of rrkpl
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:13 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dstar_digital] Voice and Data on 92AD???

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