Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 00:10 +, ki4umx wrote: In one word NO! The UR (YOUR) field is 8 digits - if you count the digits (including the /) it totals 8, with the port in the 8th position. IF the repeater had a 5 digit call(i.e. W1AAD) THEN THERE WOULD be a space (/W1AAD C). The PORT must be in the 8th position and you have to add one or two spaces for shorter calls. And what is really annoying is how the programming software does not use fixed width fonts. I find myself counting each thing I type otherwise I will put the port name in the 6th or 7th field instead. Chris
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
Neil, Landlords are a whole different story, since you don't own the property. In your case, a dongle might be the only way to get out, but don't count on it in an emergency. That is all I am saying. You might have a connection, you might not. With a radio, you at least have simplex when all else fails. So you can't use an HT?? I didn't realize that is was that bad in the UK. Allow me to apologize to you. I didn't understand. Thanks for explaining that. I also didn't think you had private hospitals over there. They are trying to force socialized medicine down our throats in the US. The proponents keep saying that England has socialized medicine. Everything is free and it works. I guess it is good to talk to the users of the system periodically. Perhaps, outside of the group, you could tell me more about the socialized medicine system you have. Start putting the bug in your neighbor's ears that it is NOT Ok, acceptable or anything to have your individual rights taken away. Maybe if they think about it, they can start a movement to fix it. I hope that you can get back on the air. It sounds like some extreme conditions to come back from. Hope your health returns too. Good luck with that. 73 David, AC7DS --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com Subject: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:29 PM Hi David, I get your point, but those hospitalised or in care homes are lucky to have the internet at all. I hope myself or others on this group do not become part of this group. Over here (in the UK), we have landlords that refuse all sorts of things, from anything that penatrates the walls (eg. drawing pins) to putting anything at all on the outside of their buildings. I know people that have 'installed' wallpaper with bluetac to circumvent their rediculous 'laws'. A TV/VHF/DAB antenna is usually supplied from a communual array on the roof, that's all they get. Sattelite dishes are frowned upon, even cable is banned! OK, I hear you say 'Move!' but when you've just been released from a private hospital and had your property sold to pay for the care you had, its not that simple. (It can cost the same as a mortgage a month to have private care a week over here, so do the math.) If I want a dropped kerb for my car in my newly modified garden to go over the sidewalk, I HAVE to use a pre ellected contractor, otherwise I get prosocuted if found doing it myself or with a non approved contractor. And boy, do they charge through the nose for it. As I said before, I hope I am either not in this country, or don't have to endure the rules if it comes to that. After all, we are British and everyone seems to just take the flac without question over here. Probably accounts for the resultant loss of freedom and rights we have left. (If any!) Sorry for the rant, but the truth is the truth, I feel pity on those that have to live under such a regime. Thank god for the internet, we would loose quite a few individuals 'on the air' via it otherwise that some enjoy talking to. 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: David Holman To: dstar_digital@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy Neil, The dongle is a good opportunity for those that have no choice, but is still no substitute for a real radio. I know, DStar isn't everywhere, YET. :-D The part of your message that bothers me is: Given that some have restrictions on antenna's and planning regs I suppose we could make exceptions.. .. Why should we have to make exceptions?? Why should we have to accept this as a part of our lives?? WE (all the people of the world) need to start putting an end to or fighting back against anything that oppresses or takes away individual rights and freedoms. What gives them the right to say we can't have an antenna. There is a brainwashing effort out there, and it is huge and very quiet, that it is OK, acceptable and normal to surrender your individual rights and freedoms to someone else: HOAs, zoning boards, local governments, schools and others. This is wrong. Dead Wrong! We are loosing more and more individual rights and freedoms everyday. And WE need to stand up and fight this. Unfortunately they are very entrenched. This doesn't mean to start a revolt (which probably won't go well). It means to get involved with these organizations to help them govern the interactions between people and not the step on individual rights and freedoms. They should not be able to tell you that you can't have an antenna (that would be an individual freedom). They can tell you that you have to work to solve interference (the interaction) . Or that you can't have an antenna over a certain height because it might
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
Okay.. I am REALLY confused now... I looked at the calculator. I put in my friend's call sign, and it told me this information : Set RPT1 and RPT2 to your local module and gateway , Set YOUR to /WA6IRCB or just hit the RX-CS button and say Howdy! If YOUR is set to /WA6IRCB how am I supposed to call my friend whose call sign is KB0ZSG? And doesnt there need to be a space inbetween the c and the b in /WA6IRCB? I am sooo confused!!! Also, I was told that If I hit the call button on the 91ad, that a list of people's call signs come up. IF I want to call to call one of those people, do I need to hit PTT while hitting call (and propuerly turning the dial to my friend's call sign at the same time? Or do I tune it, let go of the call button and start speaking? WHy are these things so confusing? Why can;t this stuff be written in exactly the order it needs to be written such as you want to call KG6PPA: your call KG6PPA R1: XX_B R2: XX_G and so forth? is there some place that i can find the answer in a clear manner? thank you! On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:48 PM, David Holman aikidav...@yahoo.com wrote: Neil, Landlords are a whole different story, since you don't own the property. In your case, a dongle might be the only way to get out, but don't count on it in an emergency. That is all I am saying. You might have a connection, you might not. With a radio, you at least have simplex when all else fails. So you can't use an HT?? I didn't realize that is was that bad in the UK. Allow me to apologize to you. I didn't understand. Thanks for explaining that. I also didn't think you had private hospitals over there. They are trying to force socialized medicine down our throats in the US. The proponents keep saying that England has socialized medicine. Everything is free and it works. I guess it is good to talk to the users of the system periodically. Perhaps, outside of the group, you could tell me more about the socialized medicine system you have. Start putting the bug in your neighbor's ears that it is NOT Ok, acceptable or anything to have your individual rights taken away. Maybe if they think about it, they can start a movement to fix it. I hope that you can get back on the air. It sounds like some extreme conditions to come back from. Hope your health returns too. Good luck with that. 73 David, AC7DS --- On *Wed, 1/20/10, Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com* wrote: From: Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com Subject: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:29 PM Hi David, I get your point, but those hospitalised or in care homes are lucky to have the internet at all. I hope myself or others on this group do not become part of this group. Over here (in the UK), we have landlords that refuse all sorts of things, from anything that penatrates the walls (eg. drawing pins) to putting anything at all on the outside of their buildings. I know people that have 'installed' wallpaper with bluetac to circumvent their rediculous 'laws'. A TV/VHF/DAB antenna is usually supplied from a communual array on the roof, that's all they get. Sattelite dishes are frowned upon, even cable is banned! OK, I hear you say 'Move!' but when you've just been released from a private hospital and had your property sold to pay for the care you had, its not that simple. (It can cost the same as a mortgage a month to have private care a week over here, so do the math.) If I want a dropped kerb for my car in my newly modified garden to go over the sidewalk, I HAVE to use a pre ellected contractor, otherwise I get prosocuted if found doing it myself or with a non approved contractor. And boy, do they charge through the nose for it. As I said before, I hope I am either not in this country, or don't have to endure the rules if it comes to that. After all, we are British and everyone seems to just take the flac without question over here. Probably accounts for the resultant loss of freedom and rights we have left. (If any!) Sorry for the rant, but the truth is the truth, I feel pity on those that have to live under such a regime. Thank god for the internet, we would loose quite a few individuals 'on the air' via it otherwise that some enjoy talking to. 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - *From:* David Holmanhttp://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aikidav...@yahoo.com *To:* dstar_digital@ yahoogroups. comhttp://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy Neil, The dongle is a good opportunity for those that have no choice, but is still no substitute for a real radio. I know, DStar isn't everywhere, YET. :-D The part of your message that bothers me is: Given that some have restrictions on antenna's and planning regs
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
Catrina, The quick answer to your question is, no. DStar is a system that does A LOT. It is not confusing, but let me take a stab at it. You can use the RX-CS button if your friend just called you. That is the quick way to answer him/her. If you are calling, and don't know exactly where they are, you put your friend's call in the UR (YOUR) field and the system will automatically route your call to him/her. If you the YOUR field is set to /WA6IRCB you would be calling the repeater that your friend was last heard on. Remember, to go through the internet, you have to have the RPT1 and RPT2 fields completed as in the manual. Let me summarize below: UR: CQCQCQ RPT1: Blank RPT2: Blank My: You callsign You will be calling simplex (hopefully) and not using a repeater. UR: CQCQCQ RPT1: Repeater Call + A/B/C RPT2: Blank My: You callsign You will be through a repeater, but not going out over the internet. UR: CQCQCQ RPT1: Repeater Call + A/B/C RPT2: Repeater Call + G My: You callsign You will be through a repeater, and going out over the internet through the gateway. UR: KG6PPA RPT1: Repeater Call + A/B/C RPT2: Repeater Call + G My: You callsign You will be through a repeater, and going out over the internet through the gateway and call your friend on a different repeater. You could be in FL and your friend could be in CA. The system would route the call to the last repeater your friend was heard on. UR: /WA6IRCB RPT1: Repeater Call + A/B/C RPT2: Repeater Call + G My: You callsign You will be through a repeater, and going out over the internet through the gateway and connect to the repeater your friend was last heard on. You could be in FL and your friend could be in CA. The system would route the call to the repeater. I hope that helps. I know it is clear as mud :-) 73 David, AC7DS
OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Catrina White interpreter...@... wrote: Okay.. I am REALLY confused now... I looked at the calculator. I put in my friend's call sign, and it told me this information : Set RPT1 and RPT2 to your local module and gateway , Set YOUR to /WA6IRCB or just hit the RX-CS button and say Howdy! If YOUR is set to /WA6IRCB how am I supposed to call my friend whose call sign is KB0ZSG? Hi Catrina, I went to the D-Star calculator. plugged in Connie's Call (KB0ZSG) and it gave me: Programming for talking to KB0ZSG YOUR:: KB0ZSG** RPT1: KR4AIK*C RPT2: KR4AIK*G * represents a space The following entry is what Connie would have to do to reply to me: Set RPT1 and RPT2 to your local module and gateway , Set YOUR to /KR4AIKC or just hit the RX-CS button and say Howdy! And doesnt there need to be a space inbetween the c and the b in /WA6IRCB? I am sooo confused!!! In one word NO! The UR (YOUR) field is 8 digits - if you count the digits (including the /) it totals 8, with the port in the 8th position. IF the repeater had a 5 digit call(i.e. W1AAD) THEN THERE WOULD be a space (/W1AAD C). The PORT must be in the 8th position and you have to add one or two spaces for shorter calls. 73 Hank-KI4UMX
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
On 1/20/2010 5:10 PM, ki4umx wrote: I went to the D-Star calculator. plugged in Connie's Call (KB0ZSG) and it gave me: Programming for talking to KB0ZSG YOUR:: KB0ZSG** RPT1: KR4AIK*C RPT2: KR4AIK*G * represents a space Please note Hank... Unless something has changed in her local area, when I regularly talked to Connie, she usually was on a D-STAR repeater that was nearly full-time linked to REFLECTOR 1C. If you're calling someone on a D-PLUS LINKED Repeater that's connected to a Reflector (conference server), it's generally better to just link your local repeater to the Reflector also. If you're callsign routing into a Repeater that's on a Reflector, the first thing most folks listening will tell you to do is to connect to the Reflector, since the two don't mix well. Just a thought as I was reading your learning experience there. You'll learn callsign routing just in time for someone to throw you a curve ball and tell you to switch to Reflector linking. :-) At the end of the day, it's best to learn all of the techniques, but it's a lot to assimilate when you're brand new at it. Nate WY0X
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
I promise.. this is my last.. until the next time! LOL! What is callsign routing again? Is that when I have my local repeater's name in the your call sign? You're right.. there is a steep learning curve, everything is as clear as mud, and #1 rule: change is inevitable! Why they can;t keep things constant with somethings, and not change it, would make learning this type of stuff easier. I heard on the radio the other day some poor guy getting really frustrated.It is very easy to do. but it would keep all of our frustration levels in check if there were no change. well, I guess my brain is getting it's work out, wil that keep me alzheimer free for a few more years since i'm working it so hard? THANK YOU ALL! I LOVE D-STAR (for this moment)! 73's CAT
RE: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
Why do things change? In this case it is because call sign routing leaves a LOT to be desired. With the out of the box Icom software, callsign routing is the only thing that you can do. You can't have a net with more than 2 repeaters (multicast somewhat brought the number up higher, but no where near out capacities today) The Last Heard list was probably the first big thing developed. That's non-Icom software that shows you who is on at www.DSTARUsers.org . This is also combined with the APRS type position reporting. Robin (AA4RC) came along and created DPLUS. It first allowed repeaters to link to each other. When linked, what you hear on one is heard on the other. (as opposed to call sign routing where each station had to program their radio to be heard on the other repeater). The first DPLUS had the Echo test function and a few others. Robin then created the reflector software that allows many repeaters to connect together at once. I believe that most D-STAR users will agree that having linking and reflectors has allowed D-STAR to progress well beyond where simple call sign routing would have carried us. My recommendation (which is severely debated here by others, but it is my opinion). Forget about learning call sign routing, just don't worry about it. Learn how to link and unlink a repeater from another repeater or module and sit back and feel good about what you've learned. If you want to talk to the Japan stations you will need calls sign routing, as they are still on old software without DPLUS. Ed WA4YIH From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Catrina White Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:11 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys I promise.. this is my last.. until the next time! LOL! What is callsign routing again? Is that when I have my local repeater's name in the your call sign? You're right.. there is a steep learning curve, everything is as clear as mud, and #1 rule: change is inevitable! Why they can;t keep things constant with somethings, and not change it, would make learning this type of stuff easier. I heard on the radio the other day some poor guy getting really frustrated.It is very easy to do. but it would keep all of our frustration levels in check if there were no change. well, I guess my brain is getting it's work out, wil that keep me alzheimer free for a few more years since i'm working it so hard? THANK YOU ALL! I LOVE D-STAR (for this moment)! 73's CAT
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
Hi David, Just to clarify, I am not in this situation (and never hope to be!), but I do know of hams that have had to go down that route, I also know some that have circumvented the 'rules', even for HF, with kind permission of the maintenance guy saying Its to do with the telephone system or something similar. Rights being taken away? Didn't think we had any left over here, only to do as we're toldHi hi. As I am ex-NHS (National Health Service) I'll reply off group a bit more about that when I get back tonight. (We couldn't live without it, not that we know any different, just like all the immigrants that keep coming over to get sorted out healthwise and fleese the system.) 73 Neil. - Original Message - From: David Holman To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys Neil, Landlords are a whole different story, since you don't own the property. In your case, a dongle might be the only way to get out, but don't count on it in an emergency. That is all I am saying. You might have a connection, you might not. With a radio, you at least have simplex when all else fails. So you can't use an HT?? I didn't realize that is was that bad in the UK. Allow me to apologize to you. I didn't understand. Thanks for explaining that. I also didn't think you had private hospitals over there. They are trying to force socialized medicine down our throats in the US. The proponents keep saying that England has socialized medicine. Everything is free and it works. I guess it is good to talk to the users of the system periodically. Perhaps, outside of the group, you could tell me more about the socialized medicine system you have. Start putting the bug in your neighbor's ears that it is NOT Ok, acceptable or anything to have your individual rights taken away. Maybe if they think about it, they can start a movement to fix it. I hope that you can get back on the air. It sounds like some extreme conditions to come back from. Hope your health returns too. Good luck with that. 73 David, AC7DS --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Neil barrym...@ntlworld.com Subject: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:29 PM Hi David, I get your point, but those hospitalised or in care homes are lucky to have the internet at all. I hope myself or others on this group do not become part of this group. Over here (in the UK), we have landlords that refuse all sorts of things, from anything that penatrates the walls (eg. drawing pins) to putting anything at all on the outside of their buildings. I know people that have 'installed' wallpaper with bluetac to circumvent their rediculous 'laws'. A TV/VHF/DAB antenna is usually supplied from a communual array on the roof, that's all they get. Sattelite dishes are frowned upon, even cable is banned! OK, I hear you say 'Move!' but when you've just been released from a private hospital and had your property sold to pay for the care you had, its not that simple. (It can cost the same as a mortgage a month to have private care a week over here, so do the math.) If I want a dropped kerb for my car in my newly modified garden to go over the sidewalk, I HAVE to use a pre ellected contractor, otherwise I get prosocuted if found doing it myself or with a non approved contractor. And boy, do they charge through the nose for it. As I said before, I hope I am either not in this country, or don't have to endure the rules if it comes to that. After all, we are British and everyone seems to just take the flac without question over here. Probably accounts for the resultant loss of freedom and rights we have left. (If any!) Sorry for the rant, but the truth is the truth, I feel pity on those that have to live under such a regime. Thank god for the internet, we would loose quite a few individuals 'on the air' via it otherwise that some enjoy talking to. 73 de Neil G7EBY. - Original Message - From: David Holman To: dstar_digital@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy Neil, The dongle is a good opportunity for those that have no choice, but is still no substitute for a real radio. I know, DStar isn't everywhere, YET. :-D The part of your message that bothers me is: Given that some have restrictions on antenna's and planning regs I suppose we could make exceptions.. .. Why should we have to make
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Catrina White wrote: I promise.. this is my last.. until the next time! LOL! What is callsign routing again? Is that when I have my local repeater's name in the your call sign? There's a number of ways to do callsign routing. They're documented in the Icom manuals that come with the radios, actually. It's a bad name, since EVERYTHING requires a callsign. Think of it this way... Callsign routing is when you program your radio with either the person's callsign you're trying to call, or the repeater callsign they're listening to. (There's slightly different syntax so the Gateway can figure out whether you're giving it a person's callsign or a repeater's.) Every transmission is an individually routed transmission in callsign routing. The Gateway looks at the header and says, This transmission has an destination address on it of 'WY0X'. Looking in my database, 'WY0X' was last heard on 'W0CDS B', I'll send this transmission there. If you unkey and key up again, the process starts over. It's like putting your voice message inside an envelope and mailing it. If the outside of the envelope (the header) gets smudged by RF multipath, interference, weak signals, etc... there is some guesswork the gateway does (it makes some assumptions) and tries to route to the last envelope that it saw go past. In D-PLUS Repeater Link or Reflector use, you use the callsign field (remember, callsign routing came first - so add-ons have to use fake callsigns to trigger things) to send a COMMAND to the local Gateway server's copy of D-PLUS that tell it... Hey there, 'W1ABC B'! Would you please take all local traffic on this repeater and send a copy to 'W0CDS B'? It replies and says, SURE! (Actually Robin's voice says, Remote repeater linked. After that you switch back to the fake/placeholder callsign 'CQCQCQ' and the D-PLUS software handles copying it to the remote repeater or Reflector. Everyone on the local repeater gets passed to the remote one, or to the Reflector (conference of repeaters on a dedicated server that does nothing but make copies of packets and send them out to everyone, very quickly, on bigger bandwidth than most repeaters have). So... without getting into even more really gory details that's the differences in a nutshell. Each has a little different syntax because all we really have is eight characters to do three or four different things. The / prefix typically means repeater callsign follows, and characters in the 8th character field are always special in D-STAR. There's some problems/design issues with both, and there's definitely challenges with mixing them at the same time, on the same repeater. If a repeater is D-PLUS linked somewhere, it's generally advisable to unlink it prior to playing with callsign routing, at least until you REALLY understand what's happening. You're right.. there is a steep learning curve, everything is as clear as mud, and #1 rule: change is inevitable! Why they can;t keep things constant with somethings, and not change it, would make learning this type of stuff easier. I heard on the radio the other day some poor guy getting really frustrated.It is very easy to do. but it would keep all of our frustration levels in check if there were no change. If you're saying D-STAR is a change for hams, who often are not network/routing geeks so they're trying to learn concepts like source routing that computer tinkerers, scientists, and engineers have been doing since the 80's... yeah. If you're saying if the possible ways to route a D-STAR call has changed, not really. Callsign routing is the original Icom Gateway design, and the Reflectors and D-PLUS are a few years old at this point, and there haven't been any significant changes in quite some time. It's kinda a Baskin Robbins problem. When you first walk up, you don't know what the 31 flavors taste like, so you might eventually try them all. But if you at least try a few, you'll find you like some more than others, and you'll gravitate toward the flavor of how to call someone that you like. :-) well, I guess my brain is getting it's work out, wil that keep me alzheimer free for a few more years since i'm working it so hard? Yup. Thinkin' is hard, but good for you! :-) Good for all of us, actually. Ham Radio's more fun than cell phones designed to punch digits and a send button, and then all the hard choices after that are made for you by an engineer. You get to choose more things in D-STAR, which is both a blessing and a curse. When I'm presented with a tough topic like What are all the ways I can call someone on D-STAR? I just set myself a goal to try to do each one. No timeframe, no rush. I find a friend on a remote repeater, get a phone number (it helps to know what they're really hearing and what they're not at first, so you're not guessing if something is working) and set up a time to play.
Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys
On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: My recommendation (which is severely debated here by others, but it is my opinion). Forget about learning call sign routing, just don’t worry about it. Learn how to link and unlink a repeater from another repeater or module and sit back and feel good about what you’ve learned. If you want to talk to the Japan stations you will need calls sign routing, as they are still on old software without DPLUS. Cat, I won't debate (I have in the past) Ed's opinion on this, I'll just offer a different viewpoint: Learn D-PLUS linking FIRST, but don't stop there. Like I said, there's no deadline for learning. Do it at your own pace. If it takes a year after you learn D-PLUS linking before you get around to doing callsign routing, fine. But don't write it off. It's a useful tool when you're searching for someone and all you have is their callsign... assuming they have also learned how to hit the RS-CS button and reply... -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com http://facebook.com/denverpilot http://twitter.com/denverpilot Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: dstar_digital-dig...@yahoogroups.com dstar_digital-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dstar_digital-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
