Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
At 09:04 AM 10/6/2009, you wrote: >Ah - that would be much like the terse response I got to ask to join >the rtpDir group then ? I got booted 2 or 3 times without explanation, then the last attempt, the group was closed and I just got a rejected notice. >I was told that my access attempt was being logged, and I would be >reported to the FBI... That's a new one. :) 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
I am finding the Dextra software here, not the Open G2 gateway replacement. On Oct 4, 2009, at 10:11 PM, ham44865 wrote: Open G2 Gateway and linking is now OPEN SOURCE at sourgeforge under a GPL/"Free" License at: http://dstardextra.sourceforge.net/ I am sure you can download the source C files. About 310 downloads of the Open G2 software, so far. If you can not, give me a holler. I can also install it and configure it for you, if you dont have the Linux skills to do it yourself. 73 John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org Email: j...@hays.org
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
Ahh yes, the same "be patient" story that was told about rptDir ... Because you know, that's how ALL the best open-source projects work. They hold back code in case "hackers" might see it, and store it in a closed YahooGroup's Files area. Nate On Oct 4, 2009, at 4:04 PM, ham44865 wrote: > Most of the Open G2 has been released at > sourceforge: http://dstardextra.sourceforge.net/ > under GPL > > The rest of it is being installed at multiple sites > with either our RPTR/gmsk program that controls a > GMSK RF modem(adapter,node,...) > or all ICOM G2 software (dsgwd, dsipsvd) removed > and our Open G2 (dstar_g2_gwy, dstar_gw_sync) installed instead > to control/talk to the ICOM repeater controller hardware > using the ICOM repeater-controller protocol between > the G2 and the ICOM repeater-controller. > > A little patience too. > In the "Files" area of > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source > > ... > We will wait a little longer so that the software can be > presented at the International Fair this November, > so that it does not get copied by someone else > and presented as their own software. > ... > We have seen attacks from hackers trying to mess up > the source code package. > > So, have some patience folks, 100% of it will be released > at sourceforge. > > We must make sure that it works 100% on the ICOM > repeater-controller. > It already works with a GMSK RF modem(adapter, node,...) > but the discovery of the protocol that is > used between the G2 and the ICOM repeater-controller hardware > makes it so much more exciting. > > Currently we are busy taking "orders" and installing it > around the country at multiple ICOM G2 hardware sites > and also home-brew(GMSK) Linux systems. > We must pay attention at the ICOM G2 hardware protocol, > because there will be only one version of the Open G2 > and it will have an option in its configuration file > to run either with a GMSK modem(adapter,node,...) on > home-brew Linux PC's or on the ICOM controller hardware. > > We know you've waited 5 years or so for another group > to release an Open Gateway, which of course we > do not believe it will ever happen, jugding from > the "BINARY only" attitude that these other groups have. > > At least, with our group, you have seen a completely > OPEN SOURCE ADD-ON linking tool "dextra_srv" that links > DSTAR G2 gateways to OPEN SOURCE DSTAR Reflectors and > you have seen a completely OPEN SOURCE DSTAR Reflector > software(dextra_reflect), all of that at > http://dstardextra.sourceforge.net/ under GPL, > while other groups keep giving you the BINARY stuff to run. > > 73 > The D_STAR_Open_Source group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source/ > > Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com facebook.com/denverpilot twitter.com/denverpilot Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dstar_digital-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:dstar_digital-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dstar_digital-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
Scott KI4LKF wrote: > We will wait a little longer so that the software can be > presented at the International Fair this November, ... What international fair is that? > Currently we are busy taking "orders" and installing it > around the country at multiple ICOM G2 hardware sites > and also home-brew(GMSK) Linux systems. "Around the country" means around the USA? Has any of your efforts resulted in being able to run this software on repeater systems and gateways that are part of the K5TIT trust server network? > We know you've waited 5 years or so for another group > to release an Open Gateway, which of course we > do not believe it will ever happen, jugding from > the "BINARY only" attitude that these other groups have. To be honest - from my point of view it is not important whether the D-STAR gateway code is open or not ... or source or binary. What does matter is that it works, qualified and accepted by the trust server that we choose to be connected to ... and that it provides at least the same functionality with the foundation for future enhancements and capabilities. Thanks Bob W1QA
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
At 03:22 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: >2. Who controls it? >"The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" I would also be asking about the guarantee of access to the download/support forum as well, without arbitrary decisions about who can enter the support forum. >3. What license is it released under? >"The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" And here, I'd like to see the legalese. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
On Oct 4, 2009, at 11:10 am, John Hays wrote: > Which is a closed and restricted Yahoo! Group. And since "open source" requires that the source be available to the general public, the project in question is not open source. > > Next... > > -- > John D. Hays > 206-801-0820 > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:22, Nate Duehr wrote: > > > So, was that the answer to all three questions posed? > > > > 1. Where's the source available from? > > "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" > > > > 2. Who controls it? > > "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" > > > > 3. What license is it released under? > > "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" > > > > Nate WY0X > > > > On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:11 AM, ham44865 wrote: > > > >> > >> The "D_STAR_Open_Source group" > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source/ > >> 73 > >> > >> --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr wrote: > >>> > >>> "Open" is such a badly misused term these days. > >>> > >>> Where's the source code available from, and who controls it, under > >>> what license? > >>> > >>> Nate WY0X > >>> > >>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:36 AM, ham44865 wrote: > >>> > We finally did it folks. > > We now have an Open G2 written in C that communicates > correctly with the ICOM repeater controller hardware. > > The handshake protocol between the ICOM G2 and the > ICOM repeater controller hardware was a little tricky > to figure out at first. > > In summary, we have accomplished the following: > > Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy" software written in C replaces ICOM dsgwd > >> G2. > Open "dstar_g2_sync" written in C replaces the ICOM dsipsvd. > > At first, the ICOM repeater controller was not talking > to our Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy". > Once we figured the handshake protocol, it was rather easy. > > Since the Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy" can also run on > the GMSK RF modem/node, we have an option in dstar_g2_gwy.cfg > to allow the Gateway owner to run the Open G2 without > any ICOM hardware, but just a GMSK RF modem/node.(DV node thingy) > > All types of DV packets go thru. > What has to be done next: > > a) > Cross-banding features. > > b) > High-Speed Digital Data(DD) processing. > > Currently, Digital Voice(DV) > on 2m, 70cm and 1.2 GHz bands are handled. > Modules C, B and A. > > We'd like to thank the D STAR Gateway/repeater owners that > participated in the tests. > Thanks a million. > > 73 > The D_STAR_Open_Source group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source > > > >>> > >>> Nate Duehr > >>> n...@... > >>> > >>> facebook.com/denverpilot > >>> twitter.com/denverpilot > >>> > >> > >> > > > > Nate Duehr > > n...@natetech.com > > > > facebook.com/denverpilot > > twitter.com/denverpilot > > > > > > > > > > > > Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include > > the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. > > ThanksYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dstar_digital-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:dstar_digital-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dstar_digital-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
Which is a closed and restricted Yahoo! Group. Next... -- John D. Hays 206-801-0820 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:22, Nate Duehr wrote: > So, was that the answer to all three questions posed? > > 1. Where's the source available from? > "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" > > 2. Who controls it? > "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" > > 3. What license is it released under? > "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" > > Nate WY0X > > On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:11 AM, ham44865 wrote: > >> >> The "D_STAR_Open_Source group" >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source/ >> 73 >> >> --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr wrote: >>> >>> "Open" is such a badly misused term these days. >>> >>> Where's the source code available from, and who controls it, under >>> what license? >>> >>> Nate WY0X >>> >>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:36 AM, ham44865 wrote: >>> We finally did it folks. We now have an Open G2 written in C that communicates correctly with the ICOM repeater controller hardware. The handshake protocol between the ICOM G2 and the ICOM repeater controller hardware was a little tricky to figure out at first. In summary, we have accomplished the following: Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy" software written in C replaces ICOM dsgwd >> G2. Open "dstar_g2_sync" written in C replaces the ICOM dsipsvd. At first, the ICOM repeater controller was not talking to our Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy". Once we figured the handshake protocol, it was rather easy. Since the Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy" can also run on the GMSK RF modem/node, we have an option in dstar_g2_gwy.cfg to allow the Gateway owner to run the Open G2 without any ICOM hardware, but just a GMSK RF modem/node.(DV node thingy) All types of DV packets go thru. What has to be done next: a) Cross-banding features. b) High-Speed Digital Data(DD) processing. Currently, Digital Voice(DV) on 2m, 70cm and 1.2 GHz bands are handled. Modules C, B and A. We'd like to thank the D STAR Gateway/repeater owners that participated in the tests. Thanks a million. 73 The D_STAR_Open_Source group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source >>> >>> Nate Duehr >>> n...@... >>> >>> facebook.com/denverpilot >>> twitter.com/denverpilot >>> >> >> > > Nate Duehr > n...@natetech.com > > facebook.com/denverpilot > twitter.com/denverpilot > > > > > > Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include > the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. > ThanksYahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
So, was that the answer to all three questions posed? 1. Where's the source available from? "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" 2. Who controls it? "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" 3. What license is it released under? "The D_STAR_Open_Source_group" Nate WY0X On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:11 AM, ham44865 wrote: > > The "D_STAR_Open_Source group" > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source/ > 73 > > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr wrote: > > > > "Open" is such a badly misused term these days. > > > > Where's the source code available from, and who controls it, under > > what license? > > > > Nate WY0X > > > > On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:36 AM, ham44865 wrote: > > > > > We finally did it folks. > > > > > > We now have an Open G2 written in C that communicates > > > correctly with the ICOM repeater controller hardware. > > > > > > The handshake protocol between the ICOM G2 and the > > > ICOM repeater controller hardware was a little tricky > > > to figure out at first. > > > > > > In summary, we have accomplished the following: > > > > > > Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy" software written in C replaces ICOM dsgwd > G2. > > > Open "dstar_g2_sync" written in C replaces the ICOM dsipsvd. > > > > > > At first, the ICOM repeater controller was not talking > > > to our Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy". > > > Once we figured the handshake protocol, it was rather easy. > > > > > > Since the Open G2 "dstar_g2_gwy" can also run on > > > the GMSK RF modem/node, we have an option in dstar_g2_gwy.cfg > > > to allow the Gateway owner to run the Open G2 without > > > any ICOM hardware, but just a GMSK RF modem/node.(DV node thingy) > > > > > > All types of DV packets go thru. > > > What has to be done next: > > > > > > a) > > > Cross-banding features. > > > > > > b) > > > High-Speed Digital Data(DD) processing. > > > > > > Currently, Digital Voice(DV) > > > on 2m, 70cm and 1.2 GHz bands are handled. > > > Modules C, B and A. > > > > > > We'd like to thank the D STAR Gateway/repeater owners that > > > participated in the tests. > > > Thanks a million. > > > > > > 73 > > > The D_STAR_Open_Source group > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source > > > > > > > > > > Nate Duehr > > n...@... > > > > facebook.com/denverpilot > > twitter.com/denverpilot > > > > Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com facebook.com/denverpilot twitter.com/denverpilot Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dstar_digital-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:dstar_digital-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dstar_digital-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
Scott KI4LKF wrote: > Their European ICOM TRUST server has > 404 DSTAR gateways in the SYNC_GIP > and 7800 registred radio users in the SYNC_RIP table. Based on the numbers presented at Dayton in May 2009 regarding where the K5TIT trust server was ... those numbers sound pretty high. Did this so-called European trust server end up getting a copy of a database off of something that was at once connected to K5TIT or the v1 trust server in Japan? Or is this database contain a number of made up entries just for testing purposes? I have a hard time believing that there are 404 active D-STAR gateways (read: repeater systems) on this trust server - let alone 7,800 unique registered real users. > Again, the TRUST server does not come into play. Right. In which case I am perplexed about your aforementioned note about the so-called European trust server and how many gateways and users it has in its database tables. What's the point? The important question: Have you done any testing with the K5TIT trust server? (I would ask the same for testing against the Japanese trust server but if I understand correctly they are still running v1 so if you're code emulates v2 protocols then probably incompatible.) Bob McCormick W1QA
Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
At 06:05 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote: >Will I open-source it ? Probably not. Why ? Because the D-Star >network is so fragile, that if someone changes something in my code >that breaks the network, I will get the blame, and that will pull >any chance of future development. I can certainly understand that. I am aware of the fragility of the D-STAR network, and while the network is so fragile, one needs to be _really_ sure of any software that is used on it. >But, anyone can have a signed binary to run on their Linux >system. 486, 512M RAM works fine. You just need a Satoshi board >and a decent radio system with two-point modulation on TX. Nice low specs there David. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
Pete AE5PL wrote: > > D-STAR is not a trademark of ICOM America. > > Umm, yes it is in the US. Actually, it is a trademark of Icom > Incorporated, not Icom America. > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4001:80rd3f.2.1 > I believe, specifically, this is in reference to their D-STAR logo > but nonetheless... Thanks - I stand partially corrected. That USPTO link expired ... here is the info from a query done 2047Z on 3 Oct 2009: >> Word MarkD-STAR >> Goods and Services Communication equipment namely repeaters >> and transceivers for amateur radio communications >> Mark Drawing Code(1) TYPED DRAWING >> Serial Number76535996 >> Filing Date July 30, 2003 >> Registration Number 2866400 >> Registration DateJuly 27, 2004 >> Owner(REGISTRANT) ICOM INCORPORATED CORPORATION JAPAN 1-6-19, >> Kamikurazukuri, Hirano-ku Osaka-shi, Osaka JAPAN I will have to search back through some emails - but I believe we had this question come up on one of the DSTAR lists in the past and it was noted that the JARL held the D-STAR name. I would expect that this US trade mark office registration is for the logo ... as if another manufacturer were to create a "D-STAR" compatible piece of equipment ... if the name D-STAR was owned by ICOM they'd have to give attribution to ICOM - and possibly other consideration as well? Bob W1QA
RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Finally, an Open G2 that runs on ICOM repeater-controller hardware.
David G4LUF wrote: > As people have been working hard to fix the routing between the Japanese > and non-Japanese networks, it is my belief that it is unhelpful for any > individual to promote further partition of the worldwide D-Star network. I second that assessment. Found at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/D_STAR_Open_Source/ >> We use the name "Open Source or home-brew D STAR or D_STAR", >> not D-STAR because D-STAR is a registered U.S. TM of ICOM America D-STAR is not a trademark of ICOM America. http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/dstar/dstar/default.aspx >> The D-STAR stands for Digital Smart Technologies for Amateur Radio. >> It is an open standard digital communication protocol established by JARL*. As you should know, D-STAR as a standard and technology was developed by the JARL: http://www.jarl.com/d-star/ http://www.jarl.com/d-star/shogen.pdf Bob W1QA HS0ZIF VR2/W1QA
