[DX-CHAT] TX5C logs have been updated
TX5C logs have been updated. Garth, KW4MM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org <>
RE: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...
Could there be more than ten or twenty guys who would INTENTIONALLY work a DX more than twice on any band/mode? Likely not. BUT there may be several hundred guys (a thousand?) who had legitimate trouble confirming or hearing the confirmation of their contact. Some wish to punish the many legitimate callers wishing confirmation again, because of the assumption that the dup is for a bad reason. As someone said, it is just as easy to say call/59 as it is to say call/dup. Actually, it is ultimately much easier for DX just to be sure they got the call signs BY REPEATING THE CALLER'S CALL SIGN and saying "copy?" for the confirmation. Don't make a record number of QSOs; make a record of ACCURATE QSOs. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:59:20 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > dx-chat@njdxa.org> Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...> > > Worked a previous Ducie Island operation and sent for qsls. Cards came > and > my 12M CW qso marked NIL... Manager said he found KA2DZS not BZS in > the > log.> Wow! the op sent BZS and now I'm not in the log.. Emailed the manager > > and he said he would send a qsl with KA2DZS logged on it. I explained > that > KA2DZS was a Novice class op who's callsign expired in 1995 but to > no > avail.. Sure wish they had an online log, I would have tried to work > 'em > again on 12CW..> Sure was a pleasure to work this operation on 12CW and 10 > thru 160 and > RTTY and see my callsign in the log for real. Just one dit did > me in > the first operation> Here is the best one yet.. I saw on the cluster > VP6DX on 17RTTY 17.110 > QSX down but had no copy on my screen at all. I did > see T32YC calling > CQ QSX down 1 and called him about ten times before he > faded into the > noise with no luck... Half hour later VP6DX is chatting with > a W5 who is > apparently related to the operator.> After they sign off VP6DX > sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends > back "KA2BZS we worked before > QRZ" Wow, I worked the guy and he didn't > even tell me what time ;-) He must > have picked me out down trying to > work the T3 station. Managed to work > VP6DX 2 days later after sending > "First qso I know of"> Was in the online > log the next morning though...> Isn't this a fun hobby?? 73/DX.. Ron . > > > > > -- > Ronald Loneker Sr. - Product Engineer - QC> E.F. Britten & Co. Inc.> > www.efbritten.com> Cranford, NJ 07016> Tel. No. (908) 276-4800> Fax No. (908) > 276-9153> > Golf Travel Made Easy!> www.travalite.com> > E-mail : [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat> > To post a message, DX related items only, > dx-chat@njdxa.org> > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > > http://njdxa.org> Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
Right you are Stu. In fact, in 1997 VK0IR from Heard Island used ham radio satellites to relay the logs to me which I put up on our website within hours of the QSOs. Back then I don't seem to recall the angst when a call wasn't found in the log, people just worked them again. Maybe we make it too easy? Don N1DG At 07:36 PM 3/18/2008, Stuart Santelmann KC1F wrote: >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:33 PM >Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs > >Todd: > >Online logs preceeded K7C by quite a bit. They are the first op that posted >real-time listing of your call when they were or had just worked you. That is >on-line logs on steroids. The more they give us, the more be expect everyone >to do it and are disturbed when they don't do it quite the way we want them >to. > >The Clipperton gang limped back onto their boat a tired and beaten group of >people. They suffered quite a bit. Can't we just cut them a little slack and >let them do things when they have time to do them. If you are not in the log, >there is no way of now trying to repeat a contact. Not all apparent contacts >end up in the log. There is way too much wasted bandwidth on this topic. > - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: VU7RG, 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: BS7H, 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI QSL Manager: A61AD, A61AO, A61X, A61AQ 2006 inductee into the CQ Magazine DX Hall of Fame Member: FOC, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Dupes -- It Takes Two to Tango
Old fashioned technique of passing messages (remember "traffic nets"?) advised the receiving station to REPEAT the incoming msg so that the sending station has confidence in the receipt. DX ops need to understand that clarity sacrificed to speed is a dubious practice. They should carefully and clearly repeat the caller's call sign; I do that twice and then the frustration and doubt of the caller goes down and there is less hostility on the freq.After all, what the callers want to hear are their call signs coming back. 73Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:24:21 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > dx-chat@njdxa.org> Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Dupes -- It Takes Two to Tango> > > > After my first QSO with TX5C, I decided to adopt the Japanese technique of> > > never sending a signal report until after your callsign is sent – and> > > received -- correctly.> > Very good idea, I will absolutely do that in the > future.> > >(It goes without saying that once they do have your> > callsign, > don't send it again.)> > The flip side of that, of course, is that I'm ever > on a DXPedition and> a guy is sending his call 10 times back at me , I'll > assume that> whatever I sent him is wrong ;-) But yeah, I've learned the hard > way> that most *DO* assume that, and sending your call again if they have> it > right is a trigger for them to change what they wrote down.> > Of course, I > guess there's a chance N3MX was actually in there... he> certainly had other > band modes, but given the long drawn out attempt> it doesn't seem likely. I > do end up in a lot of pileups on 160 with> K3OX and he usually beats me ;-)> > > 73,> Dan> > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat> > To post a message, DX related items only, > dx-chat@njdxa.org> > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > > http://njdxa.org> Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
New ways are not always better ways. A lesson for engineers.73Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logsDate: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:36:43 -0400 3Y0PI - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: DX Chat Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs Todd: Online logs preceeded K7C by quite a bit. They are the first op that posted real-time listing of your call when they were or had just worked you. That is on-line logs on steroids. The more they give us, the more be expect everyone to do it and are disturbed when they don't do it quite the way we want them to. The Clipperton gang limped back onto their boat a tired and beaten group of people. They suffered quite a bit. Can't we just cut them a little slack and let them do things when they have time to do them. If you are not in the log, there is no way of now trying to repeat a contact. Not all apparent contacts end up in the log. There is way too much wasted bandwidth on this topic. -- Original message -- From: Todd Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5+ years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZABSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orgSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
3Y0PI - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: DX Chat Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs Todd: Online logs preceeded K7C by quite a bit. They are the first op that posted real-time listing of your call when they were or had just worked you. That is on-line logs on steroids. The more they give us, the more be expect everyone to do it and are disturbed when they don't do it quite the way we want them to. The Clipperton gang limped back onto their boat a tired and beaten group of people. They suffered quite a bit. Can't we just cut them a little slack and let them do things when they have time to do them. If you are not in the log, there is no way of now trying to repeat a contact. Not all apparent contacts end up in the log. There is way too much wasted bandwidth on this topic. -- Original message -- From: Todd Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5+ years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZAB Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] SWL QSL-ing and more
Yes indeed - I have a ton of those from the Soviet Union days. I always thought that the inked part on the generic cards looked like the potato stamp things we made in Cub Scouts. I answered them all. Just cross out "2 way" and write "SWL rprt" above the crossed out "QSO" StuKC1F Just a reminder.during the earlier days it was required of Russians wishing to obtain a license to prove their ability to use radio receivers by obtaining SWL report confirmations. They were assigned call letters and sent out large numbers of cards through the years. We were always encouraged to reply as it was of value to the amateur radio community. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group
The VP6DX group was using a phone from a different satellite phone company and it uses a different technology. The Clipperton group had very calm seas on the way down and were able to keep a connection but that's not the case on the way back to San Diego. Dave - K4SSU - Original Message - From: "T. David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group Well, the reason I asked was that I assumed it could be done from the ship. The VP6DX group made their final updates that way, and the Clipperton group was updating their page while they were on their way to Clipperton. So, I wondered why it was different. I didn't mean it to be deemed a naive question. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: "David Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group The satellite phone they have requires a beamed signal to the satellite and in the rough sea with the ship rocking and rolling they can't keep a connection. It worked fine when they were on land. Dave - K4SSU - Original Message - From: "T. David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:19 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group Anyone know why they haven't posted any more updates on their logs? The last update was almost 2 days before they pulled the plug. Dave W7AQK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 5t5dc
Jim, It's via http://www.5t2008.de/index.html and the Log was updated today 18.3.08 73 Dave - Original Message - From: Jim Abercrombie Subject: [DX-CHAT] 5t5dc I googled 5t5da, etc and I can't fing a log search page .Is there one and what is the url? Jim Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 5t5dc
http://www.5t2008.de/ You can get this url by doing a Callsign search on QRZ and the page then lists the station's web page - always worth a try Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Jim Abercrombie To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, 18 March, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 5t5dc I googled 5t5da, etc and I can't fing a log search page .Is there one and what is the url? Jim Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 5t5dc
5t2008.de On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Jim Abercrombie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I googled 5t5da, etc and I can't fing a log search page .Is there one and > what is the url? > Jim > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] 5t5dc
I googled 5t5da, etc and I can't fing a log search page .Is there one and what is the url? Jim Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] my 2 cents worth
>Then I wouldn't be checking the online log for my call, Wayne Someone decided at least one or maybe a couple well known Low Band DXers needed to be in the VP6DX logs on all bands and modes. There were no high band attempts, but when they searched their calls the guy I'm thinking of nearly had a sweep. I heard it from him that he didn't make the contacts. Some party, presumably bored, bootlegged the call to work VP6DX all over the place. A bunch of high band QSOs seemed to start appearing with another well known 160m DXer soon after but I don't know one way or another if that was the same thing... But sometimes you just want one or two bands so you're still going to check the log. 73 Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] my 2 cents worth
--- harris_ruben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >How about if your call is in the log, but you didn't make a Q and in fact, > >you weren't even calling??? > > Then I wouldn't be checking the online log for my call, Wayne Yes, but I can almost guarantee that there are folks who do not work a DXpedition, check the on-log anyway, find a busted call that matches theirs, and try to cajole a QSL out of them. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C/Ø, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] my 2 cents worth
> Hell, if they didn't get my call right, then I didn't > have a good 2X to begin with. I didn't bother resubmitting it. If I heard for sure during the QSO that the op sent N3OX but N3OZ was in the log on that band and no other band (or if he didn't exist, not very likely with 1x2's at this point) I'd absolutely resubmit because they might have just misTYPED it. The 2X QSO as it exists on the air is what's important, and that's why it's so important for everyone to confirm calls. 5T5DC was doing a great job last night... think they often/always sent the call TWICE. CE1/K7CA was doing a notably great job of that too when on 160m simplex in some contest "N3OX UR 5NN N3OX TU" ... so much better for noisy low band/loud simplex pileup situations. It makes a huge difference in pileup control from what I've heard too just because it gives people a chance to stop transmitting and to be sure of who the DX came back to. I honestly think that in a lot of simplex situations literally sending "BLAH BLAH N3OX 5NN " would work just as well,. you need that filler at the beginning more than anything ;-) Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
Ooh! That's being a bit testy isn't it? Au contraire, mon ami'! I've seen many occurrences where one gets his or her report, and thinks the report given was also received. But with so many people inappropriately transmitting on the wrong frequency, sometimes the confirm (or lack thereof) is "stepped on". Or, you think they have your call right, but they heard an "m" when you gave an "n", or things like that. Lots of reasons not to be 100% confident. And those of us running barefoot (and/or QRP) with multiband verticals have more reason to be less confident that those who have KW's and beams. When the final logs are posted I expect to see 19 band slots confirmed--I have 16 showing right now. I have a friendly competition going among several friends. I want to see not only my final number, but theirs as well. So, it's not all about "if", but "how many" as well. It's very important to see who buy's the beer Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:28 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... ... and the analogy is similar to the "DX nets" wherein the net control bleats out "good one!" My anti-flame suit is on. So don't waste bandwidth. You won't be in the log. 73. -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] my 2 cents worth
How about if your call is in the log, but you didn't make a Q and in fact, you weren't even calling??? Then I wouldn't be checking the online log for my call, Wayne Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Dupes -- It Takes Two to Tango
> After my first QSO with TX5C, I decided to adopt the Japanese technique of > never sending a signal report until after your callsign is sent – and > received -- correctly. Very good idea, I will absolutely do that in the future. >(It goes without saying that once they do have your > callsign, don't send it again.) The flip side of that, of course, is that I'm ever on a DXPedition and a guy is sending his call 10 times back at me , I'll assume that whatever I sent him is wrong ;-) But yeah, I've learned the hard way that most *DO* assume that, and sending your call again if they have it right is a trigger for them to change what they wrote down. Of course, I guess there's a chance N3MX was actually in there... he certainly had other band modes, but given the long drawn out attempt it doesn't seem likely. I do end up in a lot of pileups on 160 with K3OX and he usually beats me ;-) 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] my 2 cents worth
1. If I see my call in the log, I'll leave the band/mode for someone else to work. No need for me to dupe what I can see is a good QSO. 2. I got a card from an expedition with one of my Q's NIL. The on-line log showed my missing contact as N2ERM (not N2ERN). Well, there isn't an N2ERM. The manager noted that I might wait a few months and resubmit the card with a note that they loggged my call incorrectly. Hell, if they didn't get my call right, then I didn't have a good 2X to begin with. I didn't bother resubmitting it. So yes, I like on-line logs. They can help keep pileups down and answer lots of questions. harry N2ERN Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
--- Todd Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure > Is Dxpedition, K7C. I believe it was the FP/N9PD DXpedition in 1998 that was the first to use real-time log displays, i.e. you could see your QSO on the web within seconds of working it. Maybe someone needs to compile a history of on-line and real-time logging. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C/Ø, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
I believe the first use of on-line logs was the Cordell DXpedition to Easter Island, XR0Y back in 1995. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C/Ø, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Dupes -- It Takes Two to Tango
For duping an expedition, the rule is simple: If you didn't hear your call to your satisfaction, work 'em again. If a DXpedition operator doesn't like it, and if it happens too often, that operator may realize that some examination of his/her operating procedure may be in order. Sad to say, many DXpedition operators are lax in not repeating a callsign after correcting it - or not. My famous "I don't sure" QSO comes to mind. (That was my own realization at XF4L that there might actually be a reason why the guy duped me four times. When I slowed down and asked, he said "I don't sure." I'll never forget that QSO.) After my first QSO with TX5C, I decided to adopt the Japanese technique of never sending a signal report until after your callsign is sent - and received -- correctly. That procedure served me well for all of my subsequent contacts. (It goes without saying that once they do have your callsign, don't send it again.) Wayne, N7NG Jackson Hole, Wyoming -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Zimmerman N3OX Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:40 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth... >After they sign off VP6DX sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends >back "KA2BZS we worked before QRZ" I know they want to discourage duping but most people who dupe are doing it because they didn't think they got in. It doesn't really take that much longer to send "KA2BZS 5NN" than "KA2BZS B4" If we didn't have such a problem with idiot constant callers and people calling before the "QRZ?" this would rarely be a problem, but I've had occasional trouble with completing hard QSOs with big DXpeditions when they THINK they have you OK and they don't. I raised TX5C's attention on 160m and they had me as N3MX ... I sent my call five or six more times with them listening for me and their confirmation at the end got lost in the static crashes. I don't know if I got lost in the QRN or just in the din of the pileup that heard my "de N3OX N3OX N3OX 5NN BK" and started calling right then, but I lost the QSO as far as I'm concerned. I *don't* know if I lost the QSO as far as TX5C was concerned. I would have hated to work them in the clear later on in the night and just be told "B4" (though I would have taken it, I got no chances at all after that ;-) ). I want the chance for a QSO I know is a QSO. I suspect most people won't be chronic dupers for the sake of boredom but maybe I'm wrong about that? Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
Todd: Online logs preceeded K7C by quite a bit. They are the first op that posted real-time listing of your call when they were or had just worked you. That is on-line logs on steroids. The more they give us, the more be expect everyone to do it and are disturbed when they don't do it quite the way we want them to. The Clipperton gang limped back onto their boat a tired and beaten group of people. They suffered quite a bit. Can't we just cut them a little slack and let them do things when they have time to do them. If you are not in the log, there is no way of now trying to repeat a contact. Not all apparent contacts end up in the log. There is way too much wasted bandwidth on this topic. -- Original message -- From: Todd Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5+ years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZAB Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...
Dan, I brought up the lag in uploading logs and that they where sending NO DUPS and QSOB4 with one of their pilots but he simply said "work them again". Go figure. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: "Dan Zimmerman N3OX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth... >After they sign off VP6DX sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends back "KA2BZS we worked before QRZ" I know they want to discourage duping but most people who dupe are doing it because they didn't think they got in. It doesn't really take that much longer to send "KA2BZS 5NN" than "KA2BZS B4" If we didn't have such a problem with idiot constant callers and people calling before the "QRZ?" this would rarely be a problem, but I've had occasional trouble with completing hard QSOs with big DXpeditions when they THINK they have you OK and they don't. I raised TX5C's attention on 160m and they had me as N3MX ... I sent my call five or six more times with them listening for me and their confirmation at the end got lost in the static crashes. I don't know if I got lost in the QRN or just in the din of the pileup that heard my "de N3OX N3OX N3OX 5NN BK" and started calling right then, but I lost the QSO as far as I'm concerned. I *don't* know if I lost the QSO as far as TX5C was concerned. I would have hated to work them in the clear later on in the night and just be told "B4" (though I would have taken it, I got no chances at all after that ;-) ). I want the chance for a QSO I know is a QSO. I suspect most people won't be chronic dupers for the sake of boredom but maybe I'm wrong about that? Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Recordings of DX
So I posted this: > Mine too, and they heard my 100W. They had such a nice signal I had > no question that I got in (though a little surprise) > > http://n3ox.net/files/5T5DC_031808_0403Z_160m.mp3 > And had a couple comments about that not being me in the file above... I realize now that a lot of people record their topband QSOs but this isn't one of those ;-) Now that I look at my post it really does look like I posted what I thought was my recorded QSO! I didn't. I took some audio of them later in the night because they had such a nice signal. Don't want anyone thinking I'm a TOTAL lid, counting other people's QSOs as my own ;-) - - - - - - Got me thinking though that I might start recording my own QSO's... and wondering how many out there do it? It would be fun to go back and listen to them I suppose. Do you roll tape on your own QSOs? Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...
>After they sign off VP6DX sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends >back "KA2BZS we worked before QRZ" I know they want to discourage duping but most people who dupe are doing it because they didn't think they got in. It doesn't really take that much longer to send "KA2BZS 5NN" than "KA2BZS B4" If we didn't have such a problem with idiot constant callers and people calling before the "QRZ?" this would rarely be a problem, but I've had occasional trouble with completing hard QSOs with big DXpeditions when they THINK they have you OK and they don't. I raised TX5C's attention on 160m and they had me as N3MX ... I sent my call five or six more times with them listening for me and their confirmation at the end got lost in the static crashes. I don't know if I got lost in the QRN or just in the din of the pileup that heard my "de N3OX N3OX N3OX 5NN BK" and started calling right then, but I lost the QSO as far as I'm concerned. I *don't* know if I lost the QSO as far as TX5C was concerned. I would have hated to work them in the clear later on in the night and just be told "B4" (though I would have taken it, I got no chances at all after that ;-) ). I want the chance for a QSO I know is a QSO. I suspect most people won't be chronic dupers for the sake of boredom but maybe I'm wrong about that? Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
> Depends on the band . My 160 QSO with 5T5DC posted overnight, but > if it didn't show up until dusk tonight, no big deal :-) !! (and > *wow* do they have a nice signal on 160!) Mine too, and they heard my 100W. They had such a nice signal I had no question that I got in (though a little surprise) http://n3ox.net/files/5T5DC_031808_0403Z_160m.mp3 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group
Well, the reason I asked was that I assumed it could be done from the ship. The VP6DX group made their final updates that way, and the Clipperton group was updating their page while they were on their way to Clipperton. So, I wondered why it was different. I didn't mean it to be deemed a naive question. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: "David Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group The satellite phone they have requires a beamed signal to the satellite and in the rough sea with the ship rocking and rolling they can't keep a connection. It worked fine when they were on land. Dave - K4SSU - Original Message - From: "T. David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:19 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group Anyone know why they haven't posted any more updates on their logs? The last update was almost 2 days before they pulled the plug. Dave W7AQK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs My 2 cents worth...
Worked a previous Ducie Island operation and sent for qsls. Cards came and my 12M CW qso marked NIL... Manager said he found KA2DZS not BZS in the log. Wow! the op sent BZS and now I'm not in the log.. Emailed the manager and he said he would send a qsl with KA2DZS logged on it. I explained that KA2DZS was a Novice class op who's callsign expired in 1995 but to no avail.. Sure wish they had an online log, I would have tried to work 'em again on 12CW.. Sure was a pleasure to work this operation on 12CW and 10 thru 160 and RTTY and see my callsign in the log for real. Just one dit did me in the first operation Here is the best one yet.. I saw on the cluster VP6DX on 17RTTY 17.110 QSX down but had no copy on my screen at all. I did see T32YC calling CQ QSX down 1 and called him about ten times before he faded into the noise with no luck... Half hour later VP6DX is chatting with a W5 who is apparently related to the operator. After they sign off VP6DX sends qrz up. I go up 5 and call and he sends back "KA2BZS we worked before QRZ" Wow, I worked the guy and he didn't even tell me what time ;-) He must have picked me out down trying to work the T3 station. Managed to work VP6DX 2 days later after sending "First qso I know of" Was in the online log the next morning though... Isn't this a fun hobby??73/DX.. Ron . -- Ronald Loneker Sr. - Product Engineer - QC E.F. Britten & Co. Inc. www.efbritten.com Cranford, NJ 07016 Tel. No. (908) 276-4800 Fax No. (908) 276-9153 Golf Travel Made Easy! www.travalite.com E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
At 10:38 AM 3/18/2008, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Still, when last QSO posted is nearly 24 hours old when the log is posted, the on line log is practically useless. Depends on the band . My 160 QSO with 5T5DC posted overnight, but if it didn't show up until dusk tonight, no big deal :-) !! (and *wow* do they have a nice signal on 160!) Regards, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
> If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you > worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... Hardly, I had a "QSO" with one of the recent DXpeditions where the operator originally called N4TV, I corrected them, they acknowledged the correction and the operator made an additional comment to me by name ... and that "QSO" is still not in the on-line log. On-line logs are helpful to avoid dupes (and panic about missing band/modes) but they are not perfect. Still, when last QSO posted is nearly 24 hours old when the log is posted, the on line log is practically useless. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:28 AM > To: dx-chat@njdxa.org > Subject: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs > > > If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you > worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... > > ... and the analogy is similar to the "DX nets" wherein the > net control bleats out "good one!" > > My anti-flame suit is on. So don't waste bandwidth. You > won't be in the log. > > 73. > > > > > > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
At 09:28 AM 3/18/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... ... and the analogy is similar to the "DX nets" wherein the net control bleats out "good one!" My anti-flame suit is on. So don't waste bandwidth. You won't be in the log. Not a flame, but consider this: Sometimes a Q is good, you've clearly copied your call coming back and report, etc...and the DX station, through touch-typing on his laptop and paying attention to something else, logs a different call or enters nonsensical characters by accident - and doesn't pick up the error. Or maybe something even more basic - the log from that computer gets damaged somehow between when the Q was made and your card is presented to them for verification. We can live without online logs, but if they're available, that's a huge plus for us AND a huge plus for them (in terms of less dupes), AND a huge plus for the low power/low wire stations who have a bunch of extra chances to make *their* Q's since less big guys will be calling and duping. Regards, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:25 AM, David Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The satellite phone they have requires a beamed signal to the satellite and > in the rough sea with the ship rocking and rolling they can't keep a > connection. It worked fine when they were on land. And for those with selective memories that want to say "but they uploaded from the ship while they were on the WAY to Clipperton" let me excerpt the website: "In true ham spirit, we did what they said could not be done...connect to the satellite while in motion. We had an excellent connection and now expect to be able to update our website daily before we get to Clipperton...so keep watching THIS PAGE!!" They also mentioned calm seas and beautiful WX at that point. 73 Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] SWL QSL-ing and more
Just a reminder.during the earlier days it was required of Russians wishing to obtain a license to prove their ability to use radio receivers by obtaining SWL report confirmations. They were assigned call letters and sent out large numbers of cards through the years. We were always encouraged to reply as it was of value to the amateur radio community. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: Elmar NL13289 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] SWL QSL-ing and more Hello all, This weekend some more QSL cards came in via the bureau as an answer to my reception report. The QSL card that draw my attention was the QSL from Charles HS0ZCW. It's the first QSL card I receive that is especially designed for answering SWL Reception reports! So thanks a lot Charles! How many of you do reply on a QSL card from a SWL? Every now and then, discussions are started on this reflector about good and bad manners when operating. Pile-ups are a great example of mis behaviour by quite a few hams. Those "amateurs" need to start over again and do a few years of SWL-ing. Give it a try to log about 6 stations in a row (with complete RS(T)-reports) for a station not working split in a pile-up. Thats what I allways try to do. But it can be hard sometimes because of the manners of stations trying to contact the calling station. 73s, Elmar NL13289 --- My SWL/Ham website: www.NL13289.com My local weather: www.geenweer.nl My photography hobby: www.elmarsfotografie.nl Also check our club website at www.pi4vad.nl Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group
The satellite phone they have requires a beamed signal to the satellite and in the rough sea with the ship rocking and rolling they can't keep a connection. It worked fine when they were on land. Dave - K4SSU - Original Message - From: "T. David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:19 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group Anyone know why they haven't posted any more updates on their logs? The last update was almost 2 days before they pulled the plug. Dave W7AQK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] On-Line Logs
If you have to go to an on-line log to know whether you worked the station or not, you DIDN'T ... ... and the analogy is similar to the "DX nets" wherein the net control bleats out "good one!" My anti-flame suit is on. So don't waste bandwidth. You won't be in the log. 73. **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] on line logs
On line logs are a lot like bonuses at work. The first time you receive one is a nice surprise. The next time a year later is welcome but somewhat expected. Not receiving one next year is perceived as negative, like a cut in pay. I worked in staffing. We were always careful in starting anything that we didn't expect could be sustained. Sometimes, it's best to simply do nothing. We used to wait for months to learn if we were in the log. We used to wait for months to get our ticket. Now, with the expectation of instant gratification so common, I wonder what will be next. 73, Bob W1YRC - Original Message - From: Todd Ruby To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 22:19 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] on line logs Uh, on line logs were pretty much non existent before the last Kure Is Dxpedition, K7C. Maybe I am a little off but not by much. my point is that it is a fairly new feature that is a luxury a lot of people seem to think is compulsory of the DXpedition to provide. Hey it is nice to see if your Q's are in the log but what did you do 5+ years ago? Send in your card and hope for the best. Otherwise just wait until they post it and have fun with ham radio in the meantime. 73 de todd WB2ZAB Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group
The word from multiple sources (including FO5A/MM) is that final logs will be posted after their arrival home in CA. The trip takes about 5 days, so I wouldn't expect them to be up until near the end of the week. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of T. David Yarnes Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:19 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group Anyone know why they haven't posted any more updates on their logs? The last update was almost 2 days before they pulled the plug. Dave W7AQK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
