RE: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) For information

[Boris Knezović]

 
Some people in DX community are taking DXpeditions for granted.

Here is the message from K3NA looking for operators willing to go to two major 
DXpeditions in 2012:
http://lists.contesting.com/pipermail/cq-contest/2011-August/095257.html

Financial and 'free days' requirements are listed at the bottom, but before you 
scroll to the bottom of the E-mail check other requirements people going to 
those DXpeditions should have.

73's Boris E73Y


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RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-QSL

[Paul]

The email I got this week indicated the cards were being printed but offered
no expected date to start pushing out cards.

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of WHB
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:34 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-QSL


Hi all

 From the ST0R-Homepage it appears that the QSL is designed.

Has anyone any info on the status of the ST0R-QSL mailing?

73 de Werner, HB9US


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RE: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) For information

[Paul]

All

 

IMO, you're looking at the QSL situation the wrong way. First
off saying "Some DXers like to screw the deserving for every penny" is a
rather broad brush comment that is really out of line. Yeah, we all know of
a few (a very small few) who abused the sport for personal gain. So let's
knock off those sorts of comments.

 

I'll turn the "If dxpeditions cant be funded without having to
rely on a few hundred bucks from the QSL cards, then they shouldn't go!"
comment around. How much money do you have invested in your station? $5k?
$10k? More? People sure like to brag about their equipment and antennas and
what they've invested, yet they complain about sending $5 to confirm an
operation? Especially when the operators went to personal expense, took
weeks off work/away from family and in some cases were at personal risk. I
don't get it. It's NOT about FUNDING. It's about SHOWING YOUR APPRECIATION
FOR WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID FOR THE HOBBY.

 

Come on, stop being such cheap-skates when it comes to QSLing
the big DXPeditions! 

 

On to the subject of QSL checking. And I can speak from
experience on the matter as I did manage the prestigious WAZ Award for a
number of years. I hate to say this, but not every QSL checker (even if a
veteran DXer) really understands how to check cards. CQ works through some
national radio societies and sometimes the person they appoint might not be
the best suited for the task. What's the risk you ask? It's NOT with big
operations like ST0R. Those cards are pretty solid. It's the "run of the
mill" DX (as viewed across the country list). How many of you have received
blank QSL cards?

 

I saw 160 cards that were not "doctored" as such, but they were
fakes. How did I know? I understand propagation! When I got a card from a
station in zone 15, telling me he worked zone 31 at 1300Z on 160 meters, I
called BS and asked the guy to please check to see if the card was filled
out incorrectly as there was no way a QSO on 160 from 15 to zone 31 could
take place at such a time.

 

So, am I saying QSL checkers don't know what they are doing? NOT
AT ALL. But as an award administrator, you have to balance the integrity of
the program within the APPLICATION OF THE RULES. 160 meters is a pretty
specialized band as is 6 Meters. Why would you want to see someone get an
award for these two challenging bands through fraudulent means? If
maintaining the integrity of the award demands more specialized checking, so
be it.

 

Do I think it seems rather silly that a DXCC (or WAZ) Field
Checker can't approve a 160 meter QSO as indicated on a card from ST0R when
he can approve QSL for all the other bands? Yeah, I suppose so. Maybe there
is a REASONABLE way to resolve this, but that's another subject entirely.
Look at it from the Award Administrator point of view, we can't open
ourselves up to managing awards based on the exception to the rule. That
leads to inconsistencies and cries of "unfair". 

 

Vy 73

Paul K5RT

 

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:27 AM
To: njdxa; d...@dxhf.darc.de
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) For information

 

We :-? tenker   all
know the reason Lionel.Some Dxers like to screw the 
"deserving" for every
penny they can, hence the upsurge in the $5 OQRS etc.If dxpeditions 
cant be funded
withou having to rely on a few hundred bucks from the QSL cards, then 
they shouldn't
go !  It will be interesting to see what happens with the logs of T32C 
- will they or won't they?


Tom
KL7/GM4FDM

On 15/09/2011 09:57, LPPS Ltd wrote:
>
> Of course Neil - rather than direct your comments to ARRL, who I
> understand do have the question of 160 Cards and Field Checking under
> consideration, would it not be better to have a concerted effort from
> all DXers to encourage, cajole, browbeat or demand that logs are
> uploaded to LoTW instantly - they seems very able to upload to ClubLog
> and various 'online' checking facilities to whet your appetite whilst
> the expeditions are in progress so why on earth do they not do theant 
> be funded
> gentlemanly thing and upload to LoTW as well - surely Neil, that's where
> your pressure should be exerted most - ARRL set up LoTW to make it easy
> for all of us to receive qsl confirmations swiftly and economically.
> That works fine - so exert your expertise with words to the expeditions
> themselves - perhaps even indirectly with our Clubs who generously
> sponsor them - this 6 month rule is ludicrous!! Same day please!!
> Lionel
> ZA/G5LP
>
> -Original Message-
> From: c...@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Neil G0JHC
> Sent: 15 September 2011 07:10
> To: c...@yahoogroups.com 

Re: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) For information

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Why is this heated argument on someone else's list being dragged over to DX Chat?   On 09/15/11, ragnar otterstad wrote:We all know the reason Lionel.    Some Dxers like to screw the "deserving" for everypenny they can, hence the upsurge in the $5 OQRS etc.    If dxpeditions cant be fundedwithou having to rely on a few hundred bucks from the QSL cards, then they shouldn'tgo !  It will be interesting to see what happens with the logs of T32C - will they or won't they?TomKL7/GM4FDMOn 15/09/2011 09:57, LPPS Ltd wrote:>> Of course Neil - rather than direct your comments to ARRL, who I> understand do have the question of 160 Cards and Field Checking under> consideration, would it not be better to have a concerted effort from> all DXers to encourage, cajole, browbeat or demand that logs are> uploaded to LoTW instantly - they seems very able to upload to ClubLog> and various 'online' checking facilities to whet your appetite whilst> the expeditions are in progress so why on earth do they not do theant > be funded> gentlemanly thing and upload to LoTW as well - surely Neil, that's where> your pressure should be exerted most - ARRL set up LoTW to make it easy> for all of us to receive qsl confirmations swiftly and economically.> That works fine - so exert your expertise with words to the expeditions> themselves - perhaps even indirectly with our Clubs who generously> sponsor them - this 6 month rule is ludicrous!! Same day please!!> Lionel> ZA/G5LP>> -Original Message-> From: c...@yahoogroups.com  > [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of> Neil G0JHC> Sent: 15 September 2011 07:10> To: c...@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers)>>> When it arrives, It would be great if 679 of us didn't have to send our> ST0R> card off to Newington, and could use the UK checkers instead. One day> you> guys may be trusted to check them. Surely if it is a printed label I> couldn't have moved the dot from 18MHz or doctored the card?>> Does anyone know the history of the 1.8MHz rule and who I would need to> contact to begin a challenge of it?>> Neil G0JHC (ARRL member)>> From: c...@yahoogroups.com  > > [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com  >  ] On Behalf> Of> Lauriemar> Sent: 15 September 2011 06:49> To: c...@yahoogroups.com  > > Subject: Re: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll>> A deleted country would not be counted on the Current list, so I assume> this> refers to the recent ST0R. Can't imagine how else K6ND would be ahead of> everyone else, unless it's a mistake> Laurie G3UML>> -Original Message-> From: Dave Sergeant  >  > >> To: cDXC  >  >> Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 6:45> Subject: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll>> Is this for 'Southern Sudan (deleted)' or 'Republic of South Sudan'> hich ST0R would be?> 73 Dave G3YMC> On 14 Sep 2011 at 18:49, Lauriemar wrote:> > This is all quite strange. The latest edition of the DXCC standings --> Sept 14th, 2011 -- has one single station on 341 current countries,> K6ND. Everyone else at the top is still on 340. K6ND seems to have a> South Sudan credit.>> ttp://www.davesergeant.com>> > Yahoo! Groups Links> Individual Email | Traditional> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/<*> Your email settings:    Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to:    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join    (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email:    cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com     cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:    cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- 

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[DX-CHAT] ST0R-QSL

[WHB]

Hi all

From the ST0R-Homepage it appears that the QSL is designed.

Has anyone any info on the status of the ST0R-QSL mailing?

73 de Werner, HB9US


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[DX-CHAT] Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) For information

[ragnar otterstad]

 
We all know the reason Lionel.    Some Dxers like to screw the 
"deserving" for every
penny they can, hence the upsurge in the $5 OQRS etc.    If dxpeditions 
cant be funded
withou having to rely on a few hundred bucks from the QSL cards, then 
they shouldn't
go !  It will be interesting to see what happens with the logs of T32C 
- will they or won't they?


Tom
KL7/GM4FDM

On 15/09/2011 09:57, LPPS Ltd wrote:
>
> Of course Neil - rather than direct your comments to ARRL, who I
> understand do have the question of 160 Cards and Field Checking under
> consideration, would it not be better to have a concerted effort from
> all DXers to encourage, cajole, browbeat or demand that logs are
> uploaded to LoTW instantly - they seems very able to upload to ClubLog
> and various 'online' checking facilities to whet your appetite whilst
> the expeditions are in progress so why on earth do they not do theant 
> be funded
> gentlemanly thing and upload to LoTW as well - surely Neil, that's where
> your pressure should be exerted most - ARRL set up LoTW to make it easy
> for all of us to receive qsl confirmations swiftly and economically.
> That works fine - so exert your expertise with words to the expeditions
> themselves - perhaps even indirectly with our Clubs who generously
> sponsor them - this 6 month rule is ludicrous!! Same day please!!
> Lionel
> ZA/G5LP
>
> -Original Message-
> From: c...@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Neil G0JHC
> Sent: 15 September 2011 07:10
> To: c...@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: RE: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers)
>
>
> When it arrives, It would be great if 679 of us didn't have to send our
> ST0R
> card off to Newington, and could use the UK checkers instead. One day
> you
> guys may be trusted to check them. Surely if it is a printed label I
> couldn't have moved the dot from 18MHz or doctored the card?
>
> Does anyone know the history of the 1.8MHz rule and who I would need to
> contact to begin a challenge of it?
>
> Neil G0JHC (ARRL member)
>
> From: c...@yahoogroups.com  
> 
> [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com  
>  ] On Behalf
> Of
> Lauriemar
> Sent: 15 September 2011 06:49
> To: c...@yahoogroups.com  
> 
> Subject: Re: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll
>
> A deleted country would not be counted on the Current list, so I assume
> this
> refers to the recent ST0R. Can't imagine how else K6ND would be ahead of
> everyone else, unless it's a mistake
> Laurie G3UML
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Sergeant  
>  
> >
> To: cDXC mailto:cDXC%40yahoogroups.com> 
> 
>  >
> Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 6:45
> Subject: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll
>
> Is this for 'Southern Sudan (deleted)' or 'Republic of South Sudan'
> hich ST0R would be?
> 73 Dave G3YMC
> On 14 Sep 2011 at 18:49, Lauriemar wrote:
> > This is all quite strange. The latest edition of the DXCC standings --
> Sept 14th, 2011 -- has one single station on 341 current countries,
> K6ND. Everyone else at the top is still on 340. K6ND seems to have a
> South Sudan credit.
>
> ttp://www.davesergeant.com
>
> 
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Birds

[Dave White]

 
I tried all sorts of things, starting with a plastic owl which worked for a 
while.  You can get an audio bird-scarer and attachable rows of plastic spikes 
of the sort used on many railway stations and London Underground stations which 
are used to discourage the ubiquitous London pigeons.

For me the problem isn't pigeons but starlings, particularly in the autumn when 
I think they migrate over from Scandinavia.  I have no proof of this, though: 
they have no aircraft ID numbers and don't appear to squauk in Swedish :-)  
Often about 300 of them sit on the antennas chattering at each other. 

In the end I gave up.  They don't seem to affect the antenna, don't seem to get 
fried by 400 English Watts (I never tried fried Starling but I can't imagine 
there's a lot of meat on them) and just ride on the antennas when I turn the 
beam.  They don't seem to peck at coax.  For the last few years families of 
blue tits have nested in the open ends of the booms on the 20m and 40m beams 
and collar doves on the Tic Ring rotor of the 15m beam.

I just occastionally jetwash the guano off the patio and onto the flower bed.

Perhaps it's just easier to live with them?

Cheers
Dave G0OIL (and about 500 avian friends)

- Original Message -
From: Mark Horowitz 
Sent: 14 September 2011 22:24
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Birds


Does anyone have a fairly good method of keeping birds off Yagis?.  I am 
constantly having problems with birds. 
 Any ideas would be appreaciated.
 Thanks,
 73,
 Mark...K2AU...Fort Lauderdale, FL

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