Re: [Dx4win] DXLab
I have been following this thread with a mixture of nostalgia, sympathy, and annoyance. Getting the annoyance out of the way first, I've been appalled by the tone of some of the comments. Anyone who thinks Paul has gotten rich off this thing in its 20 years of existenceis deluding himself. When I wrote ham radio software, back in the 1980's, getting paid for it was something I regarded as a way of keeping score - that effort took thousands of hours, reducing my compensation to about 5 cents an hour. I was the first paying customer for DX4WIN, version 0.94, and am still up to date. I recognize that it is increasingly in need of updating, and there are somethings it won't do that I now need, but it is still a clean and simple to use program. I have tried three times to migrate to DXlab, thinking it would give me more of what I need, and each time I have given up, defeated by its complexity. I am currently working to get comfortablewith Logger32, which does most of the things on my wish-list. I certainly appreciate everything Paul and DX4WIN have done for me over the years, and, who knows, I may be back. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 8/2/2013 12:37 AM, Dick Flanagan wrote: I have downloaded the DXLab entire product and it seems powerful, indeed. My personal problem is that I have used DX4WIN for so long it will be difficult to train my fingers to use a different program. Let us know how your migration proceeds. I would be particularly interested in any incompatibilities you might find, especially any DX4WIN features you might find are not available in DXLab. Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 8/1/2013 2:39 PM, Paul (Tex) Herson wrote: Has anyone migrated to DXLab?? Any comments on how it compares to DX4WIN? I've been playing with it seems to have a lot of nice features. 73 Tex ka5y __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DXLab
I have been a DX4WIN user for years and I really appreciate the work that has been done to keep it up. I have found it to be the premier package on the market. However, once I downloaded DXLab, I was hooked. I am a bit more of a software techie than most perhaps, but, there are so many features and things that I have always thought What if. There is a great overview presentation on DXLab on the website ( http://www.dxlabsuite.com/Presentations/) I think for many, it will seem overwhelming and then the choice would be DX4WIN, no question. Not a commercial for DXLab...just my thoughts AJ8B = Bill On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Dick Flanagan d...@k7vc.com wrote: I have downloaded the DXLab entire product and it seems powerful, indeed. My personal problem is that I have used DX4WIN for so long it will be difficult to train my fingers to use a different program. Let us know how your migration proceeds. I would be particularly interested in any incompatibilities you might find, especially any DX4WIN features you might find are not available in DXLab. Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 8/1/2013 2:39 PM, Paul (Tex) Herson wrote: Has anyone migrated to DXLab?? Any comments on how it compares to DX4WIN? I've been playing with it seems to have a lot of nice features. 73 Tex ka5y __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- AJ8B = Bill __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DXLab
All, My two centsthis is not a matter of making money off DX4WIN. Nobody expects to get rich especially when dealing with us frugal hams. How many of us would stay with DX4WIN if Jim AD1C didn't provide those valuable adjuncts? I venture to say, I would have walked long ago along with many on this reflector. 1. Is DX4WIN my program of choice? Yes, it is the most stable, easiest to use and demands less of my CPU than the others. Is it the most MS DOS 3.0 looking interface? Yes! 2. Is DX4WIN is dire need of a facelift, Yes! Does it have warts? You bet. 3. Does DX4WIN need improvements. Yes!(LOTW interface, multiple cluster sourcing, new rig files (FT3K ), etc.) Here's my bottom line- would I recommend DX4WIN to a new user with the current level of support and frequency of updates from the author, no way. Start with DXLabs and go forward. In my opinion, this is a matter of continuing support of a product. If we want enhancements, we should pay for them but to ignore enhancements, withhold support or walk away for weeks/ months on end from DX4WIN isn't playing right with the users. To continue to sell DX4WIN to new users isn't going to make anyone rich but there is a unwritten contract that goes along with the sale of the software, which is continuing support of the product. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 8/2/2013 9:02 AM, Bill Salyers wrote: I have been a DX4WIN user for years and I really appreciate the work that has been done to keep it up. I have found it to be the premier package on the market. However, once I downloaded DXLab, I was hooked. I am a bit more of a software techie than most perhaps, but, there are so many features and things that I have always thought What if. There is a great overview presentation on DXLab on the website ( http://www.dxlabsuite.com/Presentations/) I think for many, it will seem overwhelming and then the choice would be DX4WIN, no question. Not a commercial for DXLab...just my thoughts AJ8B = Bill On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Dick Flanagan d...@k7vc.com wrote: I have downloaded the DXLab entire product and it seems powerful, indeed. My personal problem is that I have used DX4WIN for so long it will be difficult to train my fingers to use a different program. Let us know how your migration proceeds. I would be particularly interested in any incompatibilities you might find, especially any DX4WIN features you might find are not available in DXLab. Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 8/1/2013 2:39 PM, Paul (Tex) Herson wrote: Has anyone migrated to DXLab?? Any comments on how it compares to DX4WIN? I've been playing with it seems to have a lot of nice features. 73 Tex ka5y __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DXLab
I agree with all! In fact, as recently as last week, I recommended DX4WIN to a new ham. I would also have paid for an annual subscription fee. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Lou Dietrich n...@roadrunner.com wrote: All, My two centsthis is not a matter of making money off DX4WIN. Nobody expects to get rich especially when dealing with us frugal hams. How many of us would stay with DX4WIN if Jim AD1C didn't provide those valuable adjuncts? I venture to say, I would have walked long ago along with many on this reflector. 1. Is DX4WIN my program of choice? Yes, it is the most stable, easiest to use and demands less of my CPU than the others. Is it the most MS DOS 3.0 looking interface? Yes! 2. Is DX4WIN is dire need of a facelift, Yes! Does it have warts? You bet. 3. Does DX4WIN need improvements. Yes!(LOTW interface, multiple cluster sourcing, new rig files (FT3K ), etc.) Here's my bottom line- would I recommend DX4WIN to a new user with the current level of support and frequency of updates from the author, no way. Start with DXLabs and go forward. In my opinion, this is a matter of continuing support of a product. If we want enhancements, we should pay for them but to ignore enhancements, withhold support or walk away for weeks/ months on end from DX4WIN isn't playing right with the users. To continue to sell DX4WIN to new users isn't going to make anyone rich but there is a unwritten contract that goes along with the sale of the software, which is continuing support of the product. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 8/2/2013 9:02 AM, Bill Salyers wrote: I have been a DX4WIN user for years and I really appreciate the work that has been done to keep it up. I have found it to be the premier package on the market. However, once I downloaded DXLab, I was hooked. I am a bit more of a software techie than most perhaps, but, there are so many features and things that I have always thought What if. There is a great overview presentation on DXLab on the website ( http://www.dxlabsuite.com/**Presentations/http://www.dxlabsuite.com/Presentations/) I think for many, it will seem overwhelming and then the choice would be DX4WIN, no question. Not a commercial for DXLab...just my thoughts AJ8B = Bill On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Dick Flanagan d...@k7vc.com wrote: I have downloaded the DXLab entire product and it seems powerful, indeed. My personal problem is that I have used DX4WIN for so long it will be difficult to train my fingers to use a different program. Let us know how your migration proceeds. I would be particularly interested in any incompatibilities you might find, especially any DX4WIN features you might find are not available in DXLab. Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 8/1/2013 2:39 PM, Paul (Tex) Herson wrote: Has anyone migrated to DXLab?? Any comments on how it compares to DX4WIN? I've been playing with it seems to have a lot of nice features. 73 Tex ka5y __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4win http:/**/mailman.qth.net/mailman/**listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm http://mailman.qth.net/**mmfaq.htm http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4win http:/**/mailman.qth.net/mailman/**listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm http://mailman.qth.net/**mmfaq.htm http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- AJ8B = Bill __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DXLab
I agree if not for Jim I would be gone - if Paul wants this to continue he best make some changes 73, Bob w8gc On 8/2/2013 9:44 AM, Lou Dietrich wrote: All, My two centsthis is not a matter of making money off DX4WIN. Nobody expects to get rich especially when dealing with us frugal hams. How many of us would stay with DX4WIN if Jim AD1C didn't provide those valuable adjuncts? I venture to say, I would have walked long ago along with many on this reflector. 1. Is DX4WIN my program of choice? Yes, it is the most stable, easiest to use and demands less of my CPU than the others. Is it the most MS DOS 3.0 looking interface? Yes! 2. Is DX4WIN is dire need of a facelift, Yes! Does it have warts? You bet. 3. Does DX4WIN need improvements. Yes!(LOTW interface, multiple cluster sourcing, new rig files (FT3K ), etc.) Here's my bottom line- would I recommend DX4WIN to a new user with the current level of support and frequency of updates from the author, no way. Start with DXLabs and go forward. In my opinion, this is a matter of continuing support of a product. If we want enhancements, we should pay for them but to ignore enhancements, withhold support or walk away for weeks/ months on end from DX4WIN isn't playing right with the users. To continue to sell DX4WIN to new users isn't going to make anyone rich but there is a unwritten contract that goes along with the sale of the software, which is continuing support of the product. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 8/2/2013 9:02 AM, Bill Salyers wrote: I have been a DX4WIN user for years and I really appreciate the work that has been done to keep it up. I have found it to be the premier package on the market. However, once I downloaded DXLab, I was hooked. I am a bit more of a software techie than most perhaps, but, there are so many features and things that I have always thought What if. There is a great overview presentation on DXLab on the website ( http://www.dxlabsuite.com/Presentations/) I think for many, it will seem overwhelming and then the choice would be DX4WIN, no question. Not a commercial for DXLab...just my thoughts AJ8B = Bill On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Dick Flanagan d...@k7vc.com wrote: I have downloaded the DXLab entire product and it seems powerful, indeed. My personal problem is that I have used DX4WIN for so long it will be difficult to train my fingers to use a different program. Let us know how your migration proceeds. I would be particularly interested in any incompatibilities you might find, especially any DX4WIN features you might find are not available in DXLab. Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 8/1/2013 2:39 PM, Paul (Tex) Herson wrote: Has anyone migrated to DXLab?? Any comments on how it compares to DX4WIN? I've been playing with it seems to have a lot of nice features. 73 Tex ka5y __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __**__**__ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/dx4winhttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] Many data file updates
Hi Folks, I updated a number of DX4WIN files this afternoon: 1. The Updater has been updated to v6.07, see: http://dx4win.ad1c.us/updater/index.html#history 2. fulllist.xml, islands list for IOTA, has been updated (thank, Dominic) 3. Membership list 4. Master callsigns 5. Country file, see: http://www.country-files.com/dx4win-cty-124-2-august-2013/ 6. Custom awards, see: http://dx4win.ad1c.us/awards/index.html#3.38 Run the Updater, you'll get all of the above. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DXLab
Wow, Pete! V0.94!! I still have my first 3.5 disk somewhere around here, but I think it is more like V2 or so. I have always upgraded to whatever the latest version was within 24 hours of its becoming available, looking forward to the latest goodies Paul had come up with. I miss that feeling: it has been exactly four years to the day that I downloaded V8.01 and over two-a-and-a-half years since V8.05. Unlike a lot of people who don't seem to understand the software development world, I would gladly pay twice as much twice as often if Paul was able to keep up with the demands on his time, but I understand he has a real life and a real job and as much as DX4WIN means to us, he must be physically and emotionally exhausted from trying to satisfy everyone. My personal problem is that gradually some of my logging wants are becoming needs and at some point those needs will overcome my loyalty to Paul and DX4WIN. I don't need a Swiss Army Knife like DXLab, but I could use a few more sharp blades in my old reliable Boy Scout knife. Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 8/2/2013 5:14 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: I have been following this thread with a mixture of nostalgia, sympathy, and annoyance. Getting the annoyance out of the way first, I've been appalled by the tone of some of the comments. Anyone who thinks Paul has gotten rich off this thing in its 20 years of existenceis deluding himself. When I wrote ham radio software, back in the 1980's, getting paid for it was something I regarded as a way of keeping score - that effort took thousands of hours, reducing my compensation to about 5 cents an hour. I was the first paying customer for DX4WIN, version 0.94, and am still up to date. I recognize that it is increasingly in need of updating, and there are somethings it won't do that I now need, but it is still a clean and simple to use program. I have tried three times to migrate to DXlab, thinking it would give me more of what I need, and each time I have given up, defeated by its complexity. I am currently working to get comfortablewith Logger32, which does most of the things on my wish-list. I certainly appreciate everything Paul and DX4WIN have done for me over the years, and, who knows, I may be back. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 8/2/2013 12:37 AM, Dick Flanagan wrote: I have downloaded the DXLab entire product and it seems powerful, indeed. My personal problem is that I have used DX4WIN for so long it will be difficult to train my fingers to use a different program. Let us know how your migration proceeds. I would be particularly interested in any incompatibilities you might find, especially any DX4WIN features you might find are not available in DXLab. Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com On 8/1/2013 2:39 PM, Paul (Tex) Herson wrote: Has anyone migrated to DXLab?? Any comments on how it compares to DX4WIN? I've been playing with it seems to have a lot of nice features. 73 Tex ka5y __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
