[e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding?
Good morning, Euro Gold Line expresses it's regret to Lim, and worse that it should have happened to her twice. E-gold is a sound program and the majority (I would liked to have said all)of the MM's are very aware of their financial responsibilities to their clients. We hope that these two will step up to their responsibility. Euro Gold Line takes their financial responsibility very seriously, we include a link to the KvK (Dutch Chamber of Commerce). Not only can you independently verify our information, but also you can file a complaint (hopefully you never will have to). The KvK is the licensing body and any complaint will be acted upon. Failure to resolve any complaint on our part can and will result in the loss of our license, tax number and providor, effectively putting us out of business. Their site is in English, as well. We put this link on VOLUNTARILY to demonstrate to our Dutch and worldwide clients of how we intend to do business. Eurogoldline accepts all currencies, subject to your local restrictions, without charging for that conversion. During the month of April, all funding of accounts was accomplished the same day funds were received. We accept only bank to bank transfers or bankwires. Bank to bank transfers are the safest, fastest, and most economical means to transfer funds, outside of the ecurrency systems. All of our processing is done via offline computer, all emails are removed from our online system, for security reasons. Each transaction is unique, we do not keep client information, however, you may voluntarily join our private forum at Yahoo groups. We regularily test our online system to insure that it's integrity has not been compromised, we post information to our group as to how to protect themselves, virus warnings, general gold related issues, and our services. We do not promote or give advise on any programs, so don't ask. Now you can reach our office 24 hours and 7 days a week with either voicemail or FAX. Our telephone is +31-26-844-0113 and our FAX is +31-26-844-0342. We have many enhancements that are in the works, and are always open to suggestions. Again, we hope that these people will make arrangements with you, and reiterate that there is nothing wrong with the program or the majority of the people involved with it. Frank Euro Gold Line Admin ICQ 94782605 http://www.eurogoldline.nl --- Michael Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lim, > > > I am sorry to hear about your difficulties with Heap > of Gold and Flat Rate > Gold. > > Currently being formed is a new Association which > will ensure accreditation > of Market Makers for the security and safety of > clients. > > In order to join the Association Market Makers will > need to meet an > acceptable standard of business practice and this > will be displayed on a > site accessible to existing as well as potential > customers and clients. > Also Market Makers who have shown to pass the > requirements of acceptability > will display an accreditation seal on their site to > show that they meet the > standards required and can be trusted. Those that > do not qualify of course > will not be able to display the accreditation seal. > You will also be able > to compare those that display the seal with the > official list on the > Association's web site or, alternatively, select > from the Association's web > site the Market Maker that suits you. > > This will be better than any list, which of course > is no guarantee at all > of the veracity of the Market Maker on the list. > > The Association will be officially announced in the > coming weeks here so I > recommend you stay tuned. > > Kind regards, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.gold-today.com > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday > > > - Original Message - > From: "Lim Ka Seong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "e-gold Discussion" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:46 AM > Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding? > > > > What can we do about this? Both Heap Of Gold and > Flat Rate Gold was > > officially listed on E-Gold website. I also do > funding 3 times in my short > > life of using E-Gold. The first with Flat Rate > Gold, $1300 taken without > > any repy. Second with Heap Of Gold for $775 - OK. > The 3rd time with Heap > > of Gold again and this time no news from them with > my $1075 funding. It > > seems that E-Gold is E-Ghost to me!!! Look at how > much I lost from > > believing what was once listed in E-Gold's website > ! > > > > Here is the "E-Ghost" most recent reply when I try > to ask them about these > > 2 companies: > > > > > Begining Of Attachment -- > > Subject: RE: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding > > To: Lim Ka Seong & Cheah Siew Mee > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: Service EG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > They are separate companies from us and so we > don't have much more > > information than that. > > > > e-gold Service > > -Original Message- > > From: Lim Ka Seon
[e-gold-list] Re: HYIP mentality
Theres also a strong factor of trying to cover up embarrasment. If you're silly enough to lose some money in a scam, you rarely would want people to know about it because they'll think (know?) that you're a fool. Similarly some of the big leaps of faith after the person believes they have been scammed are a failure to be willing to admit to themselves and others that they backed the wrong horse. It's easier to blame the FBI, Rockefellers, the Queen of England, Reptoids, whoever is blamed for 'covering up' and illegally siezing the vast sums the promoters are now unable to hand over. New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding?
LimKa, There are many reputable "exchange providers" who have NOTHING TO DO with any hyips or scams. Would any MMs listening like to tell Lim Ka that she can deal with them in trust and that they, the MMs, declare they have nothing to do with hyips, scams, or anything else other than selling gold? >What can we do about this? Both Heap Of Gold and Flat Rate Gold was ^^ >officially listed on E-Gold website. I also do funding 3 times in my short ^^ >life of using E-Gold. The first with Flat Rate Gold, $1300 taken without >any repy. Second with Heap Of Gold for $775 - OK. The 3rd time with Heap >of Gold again and this time no news from them with my $1075 funding. It >seems that E-Gold is E-Ghost to me!!! Look at how much I lost from >believing what was once listed in E-Gold's website ! > >Here is the "E-Ghost" most recent reply when I try to ask them about these >2 companies: > >> Begining Of Attachment -- >Subject: RE: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding >To: Lim Ka Seong & Cheah Siew Mee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Service EG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >They are separate companies from us and so we don't have much more >information than that. > >e-gold Service --- "Great ventures create great mottos." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding?
Lim, I am sorry to hear about your difficulties with Heap of Gold and Flat Rate Gold. Currently being formed is a new Association which will ensure accreditation of Market Makers for the security and safety of clients. In order to join the Association Market Makers will need to meet an acceptable standard of business practice and this will be displayed on a site accessible to existing as well as potential customers and clients. Also Market Makers who have shown to pass the requirements of acceptability will display an accreditation seal on their site to show that they meet the standards required and can be trusted. Those that do not qualify of course will not be able to display the accreditation seal. You will also be able to compare those that display the seal with the official list on the Association's web site or, alternatively, select from the Association's web site the Market Maker that suits you. This will be better than any list, which of course is no guarantee at all of the veracity of the Market Maker on the list. The Association will be officially announced in the coming weeks here so I recommend you stay tuned. Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday - Original Message - From: "Lim Ka Seong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:46 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding? > What can we do about this? Both Heap Of Gold and Flat Rate Gold was > officially listed on E-Gold website. I also do funding 3 times in my short > life of using E-Gold. The first with Flat Rate Gold, $1300 taken without > any repy. Second with Heap Of Gold for $775 - OK. The 3rd time with Heap > of Gold again and this time no news from them with my $1075 funding. It > seems that E-Gold is E-Ghost to me!!! Look at how much I lost from > believing what was once listed in E-Gold's website ! > > Here is the "E-Ghost" most recent reply when I try to ask them about these > 2 companies: > > > Begining Of Attachment -- > Subject: RE: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding > To: Lim Ka Seong & Cheah Siew Mee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Service EG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > They are separate companies from us and so we don't have much more > information than that. > > e-gold Service > -Original Message- > From: Lim Ka Seong & Cheah Siew Mee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 6:44 PM > To: Service EG > Subject: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding > > > Dear E-Gold Service, > > Why are they sending the money back to us. We sent them them the money to > fund our E-Gold and bearing all the bank charges (making the bank > profitable). What is happening to them. There were no reply from them at > all when I sent them emails. > > Before that, we have another funding with "Flat Rate Gold" in March. The > amount was $1300. Until today, there is no news from those market maker! > What can we do? Should I considered that money lost in the thin air? > > Regards, > Ka Seong/Siew Mee > > > End Of Attachment -- > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding?
What can we do about this? Both Heap Of Gold and Flat Rate Gold was officially listed on E-Gold website. I also do funding 3 times in my short life of using E-Gold. The first with Flat Rate Gold, $1300 taken without any repy. Second with Heap Of Gold for $775 - OK. The 3rd time with Heap of Gold again and this time no news from them with my $1075 funding. It seems that E-Gold is E-Ghost to me!!! Look at how much I lost from believing what was once listed in E-Gold's website ! Here is the "E-Ghost" most recent reply when I try to ask them about these 2 companies: > Begining Of Attachment -- Subject: RE: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding To: Lim Ka Seong & Cheah Siew Mee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Service EG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They are separate companies from us and so we don't have much more information than that. e-gold Service -Original Message- From: Lim Ka Seong & Cheah Siew Mee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 6:44 PM To: Service EG Subject: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding Dear E-Gold Service, Why are they sending the money back to us. We sent them them the money to fund our E-Gold and bearing all the bank charges (making the bank profitable). What is happening to them. There were no reply from them at all when I sent them emails. Before that, we have another funding with "Flat Rate Gold" in March. The amount was $1300. Until today, there is no news from those market maker! What can we do? Should I considered that money lost in the thin air? Regards, Ka Seong/Siew Mee > End Of Attachment -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Two items of note
First of all, I'm pleased to say that http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1235162316 the Parker Bradley LDF Boggs Sacagawea coin auction, is at record levels, exceeding the price of an ounce of gold with about 5 days left. No, I'm not the high-bidder. :( Secondly, the following is gleaned from our friend Bob Hettinga's list, and mentions e-gold (but barely, and not in a particularly-clueful way, sigh) so I guess I have to go out and buy it now. I wish my life could somehow conform to "The Economist's" fantasy-world. My April 15th would have been a _LOT_ more pleasant this year... JMR + Subject: Dreams of a cashless society From: "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:10:53 -0400 --- begin forwarded text From: Somebody To: "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Dreams of a cashless society Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:43:04 +0100 http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=613491 Dreams of a cashless society May 3rd 2001 >From The Economist print edition It remains a challenge to connect futuristic payment methods to a 14th-century banking system WHISPERING into your wristwatch or waving your mobile phone could one day be enough to trigger a whole host of (with luck, intentional) financial transactions. The bargain might be anything from paying a newsagent to downloading digital music, buying a train ticket, sending cash to a relative, or trading shares on the Internet. In Finland you can already pay for a car-wash using your mobile. In Hong Kong you can walk through ticket barriers and buy fast food with a flourish of your Octopus stored-value card. In Russia you can buy a scratch-card to put money into a PayCash account on the Internet, to gamble or just to spend. Qpass lets you pay for articles from the online Wall Street Journal. Mobile-phone users in Germany, Austria and Spain can, in theory, use Paybox to pay for a taxi ride, or to send money to people in those countries. And there are virtual currencies, such as beenz, flooz, e-gold and Idollars, to be spent on the web and used as pay that avoids the tax man. Every month brings closer the dream of a cashless society. Still, no new scheme has found a killer application, whatever its promoters may claim. This week Citigroup, a banking and insurance conglomerate, announced that it would use MSN, Microsofts Internet portal, for its online payment service, c2it, which it launched last year. In principle, the 7m people that are estimated to visit MSNs portal a day can use c2it for Internet and person-to-person payments. But there is no guarantee that the giants partnership will thrive. The challenge, as so many pioneers have found to their cost, is to predict, and then promote, a change in human behaviour. Typically, such changes are triggered as if by accident: successful examples are the pre-paid mobile phone (now 80% of the British market), or mobile-phone text-messaging. Pressure for change is certainly there. Customers are impatient with banks that take three or four days to clear a payment. Even in euros, cross-border payments through banks can cost up to 25% of the amount sent. A Lombard banker of the 14th century would still recognise the system of correspondent banking today. Credit cards are marginally better. They have established themselves over three decades as an easy means of virtual payment, especially across borders. Yet for merchants and consumers they are expensive both for very small payments on the Internet, and for very large ones. Besides, fraud is rife. On the Internet, credit-card issuers will not accept the risk of fraud, instead charging losses back to the merchant. Enter PayPal, an American e-payment system, that has earned new respect from its rivals for reaching critical mass, even promising to make a profit by July. For those bidding on eBay, the biggest Internet auction site, PayPal is now the most popular method of payment. It can be used for 1.5m other business websites, as well as for person-to-person payments. It claims nearly 7m users, with 25,000 joining every day in an example of viral growth: if you pay somebody via PayPal, he must join up to get the money or otherwise endure slow payment by cheque. You get $5 for joining, and $5 for recruiting somebody else. PayPal grew swiftly from its launch in late 1999 because it was free for individuals and for vendors of goods. Last June PayPal began to ask 1.9% of the value of purchases from vendors taking in more than $100 a month. That change coincided with new rules in America curbing the sale of personal financial details to third parties, something that was thought to have been part of PayPals previous business plan. PayPal has recently encouraged more buyers away from using credit cards, by paying interest on deposits in a PayPal account. Money in such an account can be used for instant payments to other PayPal accounts. Merchants who sell through
[e-gold-list] Re: Cheap airfares?
At 01:41 AM 5/5/2001, Graham Kelly wrote: >Guys, >I used to use www.lowestfare.com and get great airfares, but they seem >really expensive now. Can any of you suggest a cheap online company? > >I want to fly from LAX to DAL. Three others to try: Travelocity http://www.travelocity.com/?Service=BF00071490043259900141 Cheap Tickets http://www.cheaptickets.com Expedia http://www.expedia.com/ If you are flexible with times: http://www.priceline.com/ And, if you want to call try: 1-800-LowAirFares George __ George Matyjewicz, President/General Manager Standard Reserve Holding Limited World Wide Currency for the World http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SV: Re: HYIPs and propellor-heads.
> Chuck wrote > It seems to me that CCS likes to speak in generalities such as "they > are all bad", "they are all thisor that...", when talking about > MLMs and/or HYIPs. For good reason... However, not all MLMs are HYIPs. Multi-Level Marketing isn't bad, it is merely an alternate, efficient way for companies to distribute their products. MLMs can offer a guarantee of return on investment. If you purchase the product for x and sell it for 2x, they can guarantee that you will make 200% return on your investment; if you are a great seller. > MLMs and HYIPs are not a generality. Craig is right to ask for > specifics. Some are scams some are not. Name one HYIP that isn't a scam. > When someone says to you "They say that.blah blah blah..", or > "they are all bad over there!", ask for specifics, "who or what". If > you don';t get the specifics the information is not worth the paper it > is written on. Mostly those type of people do not have any hard facts > only opinions which are couched in a way to sound like facts using a > liberal dash of generalisation to help them on the way. Aren't you making a generalization based on opinions without any hard facts? > That was my spanner in the works You can have it back now. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Paypal Account Advice
Dear, Mr. Vince Callaway can help me to obtain PAYPAL ACCOUNT BY MY E-GOLD ACCOUNT. But he need someone to vouch me. And I think none know about me much in this list. Please anyone can help us for any ideas. Best regards, M. Khairul Bahri -- Email ini dikirim oleh PlasaCom : http://www.plasa.com Cepat di-download via TelkomNet Instan http://www.plasa.com/instan Rindukah Anda bertemu dengan ex teman-teman satu sekolah dulu ? Kunjungilah mereka (52.222 anggota) di KSI : http://ksi.plasa.com -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SV: Re: HYIPs and propellor-heads.
> MLMs and HYIPs are not a generality. Craig is right to ask for > specifics. Some are scams some are not. [...] I can defend this statement: "All HYIPs which guarantee returns greater than, (say), 10% per month, are destined to fail within 24 months, or so." The reason is simple: consistent returns cannot grow faster than the growth in the supply of money, unless invested in specific, high-growth industries, of which only a handful of investors can find, and even extremely skilled investors cannot generate more than 20 - 30% per YEAR over the long term. The best investor in the history of Wall Street is Warren Buffet, and he has consistently generated an average profit of 25% per YEAR, for about 40 years, and there are many years where he loses money. He's the best there is, and he can generate 25% per YEAR. This doesn't even come close to the yields that ALL of these HYIPs claim to provide. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
