[e-gold-list] Banana Stickers and Columns

[jpm]

Without fussing about it, Banana is rapidly becoming an interesting 
portal/forum for e-gold.

We have interesting articles, advertisers, contests and more.

Here is ANOTHER CAR photo - this one from England.

http://bananagold.com/cars.html

Good one - a VW bug.

(All you have to do is SEND A PHOTO of an e-gold sticker on your car, 
to get an UTTERLY FREE GRAM of gold.)

A free gram of gold to Mr Harry Bennett.

Bob's coulmn this week is FASCINATING

http://www.bananagold.com/bob.html

note that in his PREVIOUS COLUMN, HE PREDICTED WHAT WAS ABOUT TO 
HAPPEN, ending with an enigmatic and ominous sentence!

"The scene just seems so strange, as if something is
  about to happen."

-- end of Bob's column, May SIXTH !!

Now, read today's column from Bob

http://www.bananagold.com/bob.html


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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: May 20, 2001

[Viking Coder]

> >There's this nice little antivirus program I recommend as a solution,
> >goes by the name of "Linux".
> 
> *I'll go you one better, far easier to use, faster and more stable. 
> It's called "Mac." 

We don't need a religious war on this list. :)


Viking Coder

Worth Two Cents?
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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: May 20, 2001

[E. Barnes]

At 12:00 AM -0400 5/21/01, e-gold Discussion digest wrote:
>Subject: Re: Nasty new windows virus that infected my friend'  computer
>From: Julian Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 02:36:47 +0100
>X-Message-Number: 9
>
>"James M. Ray" wrote:
>>
>>  http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/992155539.html
>>
>>  Read all about it at the URL above. Take care, this friend was expecting an
>>  attachment and made the mistake of opening this thing instead!
>
>There's this nice little antivirus program I recommend as a solution,
>goes by the name of "Linux".

*I'll go you one better, far easier to use, faster and more stable. 
It's called "Mac." 

Eric

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[e-gold-list] Re: I was shocked to see the following

[Viking Coder]

> we didn't really know the Nasdaq had turned bearish for several months
> afterwards.

The NASDAQ turned downward at a very specific point. That point was Judge
Jackson's ruling on the Microsoft monopoly case. For some reason, this
made VCs and investors in general realize that companies need more than
just a ".com" in their name to succeed. At which point, the NASDAQ begin
plummeting from it's cloud nine.


Viking Coder

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[e-gold-list] Re: I was shocked to see the following

[SnowDog]

> To be clear, my opinion is IT WILL GO UP now, for awhile.

I'll bet the opposite. Bull markets move upward steadily and drop rapidly
from fear. Bear markets move down steadily and bounce upward rapidly from
fear again. When the gold bull market really develops, we won't really know
it, just like we didn't really know the Nasdaq had turned bearish for
several months afterwards.


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[e-gold-list] Re: Paper Gold

[jpm]

>Interesting stuff -- I re-iterate my previous mailing regarding 
>JPM(Morgan), Chase and Goldmans...  Oh yeah -- JPM(May),, you can 
>throw your charts away for the rest of the year, because they aren't 
>going to help you any..  Next target is $325.00, if we make it there 
>next then all bets are off after that!
>


Nah, it's all in the charts.

Fundamentals are irrelevant.

Like I said, it's totally going up!  I specifically pointed out the 
previous turning point (at the bottom of the right side of the "W" 
 it could not have been more obvious, no magic there), and I 
specifically told Jim that there would specifically by a spike and I 
specifically stated the exact level the spike would happen at!

(Again --- it could not be more obvious.  Literally, every single 
"chart" trader in the world was just sitting waiting for it to 
happen.  There could not be a more "textbook" chart move.)

Again, fundementals are just chat ABOUT the price --- for example, 
they are like MOVIE REVIEWS.  The chart IS THE MOVIE itself.


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[e-gold-list] Re: I was shocked to see the following

[jpm]

I'm sure you could be right, Mark!

To be clear, my opinion is IT WILL GO UP now, for awhile.

(It's drop-dead simple ...a double bottom or "W" if you like was made.)

I have no understanding, whatsoever, of those "fundamental" factors 
you mention,  but I'm sure you know what you're talking about!

Rock on!


>jpm worte:
>>You could say .. a dramatic "trend" has been established, and nothing
>>particularly dramatic will happen for a few days now.
>
>It is out of control.  There is not enough to cover the paper gold the
>short positions are scrambling to CTA (cover their Xsss).  When Hong
>Kong markets opens AM, gold will pass $300.  Many pit traders who are
>too young to experience this, will not be able to control price in the
>regular fashion.  The fear factor has been set into motion, Europe is in
>a panic because of the onslaught of the Euro.  The only safe way is
>gold.  Whether Japan is doing it or not, central bank buying of gold
>is a key element in a gold story that hasn't been told.  There have been
>huge, undisclosed central bank sales over the past two years. At that
>same time, it
>is apparent that the market has absorbed these sales through central
>bank purchases and other untracked demand.
>
> In other words, if the gold supply has been far higher than anyone
>believed, then the demand must have also been far higher than previously
>thought. And if
>demand is that high...and the great majority of central bank supplies
>are about to be cut off by the establishment of the European Monetary
>Union...then the resulting
>supply/demand imbalance will assure far higher gold prices.  No one who
>had gold wanted to sell it today at the coin show.  Those bullion prices
>were up $10 since since my sell price on Thursday.  They expect it
>higher still.
>
>Let me reiterate Strong demand at Britain's auction of 20 tons of gold
>on Tuesday was 3.7 times oversubscribed.
>
>Rgds.
>MSO
>
>
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[e-gold-list] Re: I was shocked to see the following

[Mark S. Ohberg]

"Carlos Gonçalves" wrote:

> Well, as a prop trader in an portuguese investment bank, i have
> a 264 long position (just roll over for aug contracts on friday)and waiting
> for the 360 mark. It seems like a good panic buying.
> it feels good!

> Like a stock trader that finds unconfortable to be short in the stock market
> (to short human capacity of invention is not natural), being short
> a quasi fixed commodity against a pure printed concept is totally crazy!!

Falling interest rates make it less attractive for gold mining companies and
speculators to borrow gold, sell it, and invest the proceeds in securities that
pay higher returns. Even before the string of rate cuts, mining companies had
begun to restrict their borrowing of gold.   Mining companies last year did not
take any new hedging positions, the first time they held off in at least 10
years

Low hedging means the supply of available bullion falls, which can help send
prices higher. It is the speculators who sold gold short that are buying now to
cut their losses.

There are at least 5000 tons of gold borrowed and sold short, .The federal funds
rate equals the ConsumerPriceIndex, that's a set up for a rise in gold price.

There are arguments about why the idea of gold price manipulation in the gold
market is a lunch meat, baloney.

Gold left to its own devices should have gone past $300 because of a rise in oil
and more evil in the Balkans and Palestine.

But because it, like has'nt...um,  there are these people, who, like, are
trying to stop gold from giving an inflation thing. so, ah, maybe, like not a
conspiracy, but like a totally awsome thing, or pretty dang well orchestrated.

Like Carlos stated  every major player in the gold market, central banks to
producers is short the metal.  This has been predicted by us gold bugs and
contraians all along.

What is the alternative to gold??  the U.S dollar, yen and euro, they are not
strong currencies. This is the perfect storm for gold.
The only alternative is E-GOLD

I woik at some banking companies in Manhattan Many here are dismissive of the
inflationary winds from rising oil prices, $1.85 a gallon downstate,  they
mention gold's weakness as proof. The top TV talking analysts i've spoken to say
"gold doesn't matter," and "never buy gold".

But that is a contradiction.  It is a big contradiction, it will have to come to
a head like higher gold prices.

I have to tell you that, the more of a Market Technician you are, than the more
of a market historian you have to be.

Historically there is currently a more than 80% correlation between the past 150
days and the market tops of 1929, 1987 and 1973. There could be a large equities
sell off, as players  short of gold sell their stocks to cover those positions.
Crazy? nautically nuts maybe, but as JPM always points out its all in
The Charts

Many folks are basically trapped in bearish positions, but they don't know it
yet. The fact people
are totally oblivious has been orchestrated and a part of the normal business
day.

Ciao,
MSO
He held his wealth in paper. Then came the dollars Doom. His caskets lined with
greenbacks and T-Bills mark his tomb.


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[e-gold-list] Re: Nasty new windows virus that infected my friend' computer

[Julian Morrison]

"James M. Ray" wrote:
> 
> http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/992155539.html
> 
> Read all about it at the URL above. Take care, this friend was expecting an
> attachment and made the mistake of opening this thing instead!

There's this nice little antivirus program I recommend as a solution,
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[e-gold-list] Paper Gold

[major bosco]

Interesting stuff -- I re-iterate my previous mailing regarding JPM(Morgan), 
Chase and Goldmans...  Oh yeah -- JPM(May),, you can throw your charts away 
for the rest of the year, because they aren't going to help you any..  Next 
target is $325.00, if we make it there next then all bets are off after 
that!

>>

Greenspan / Bullion Dealer Gold Panic


On Friday, I informed you that it was the BULLION DEALERS and TRADE that ran 
up the gold price after it broke above $275. I explained that it was clear 
to me that once the dealers saw The Gold Cartel losing, they panicked - for 
they know what is coming down the road.

The following came in yesterday from one of your Café members and confirmed 
what I already brought to your attention. By the way, pathetic Bloomberg and 
Reuters (whom I met with personally two years ago, yet still refuse to even 
mention the word GATA) reported that it was spec buying that drove gold to 9 
month highs in the biggest one day move higher since the Washington 
Agreement. Wrong!

Hi Bill,
My name is J. C. and I have been a member of the cafe for what is now
going on my third year and I am also a Comex member and have been so for 20
years. I would like to share my observation of Friday's move with you. Since
Thursday Chase was trying to defend the 275 number. Every time we approached
it they sold 200 August contracts every dime up. The June/August switch was
offered at a buck so Chase started selling August at 27520-27580 and Goldman
was a seller in June from 27450 to the high of 27490. Whenever another 
trader
bid 90 Goldmans broker screamed SOLD--COME ON which I am sure you know means
that Goldman had the world to sell. I turned to another trader and said 
Chase
and Goldman will not let this market trade above 275 and it did not settling
at 274.30.

Now on to Friday..The market opened a dollar lower and quickly
traded down to 27260, on small volume, the Euro was on it's lows and the
dollar was on it's high's (as you know that is not a good sign for gold) and
it looked like it was going to be a down day. Then Moore capital started to
do some buying in June and Refco was a buyer in August and the market was
drifting higher, and because of the Euro and the $ most locals in the ring
were short. Goldman and Chase again tried to defend the 275 number but on
this day it would not work. Massive buy stops were hit above 276 and we were
off to the races. One of your articles this morning stated that it was fund
buying and CNBC is telling the world that gold and oil were up on Friday due
to unrest in the middle east. I want you rest assured that the buying from
276 to 288.50 was majority trade buying. I have been on the exchange a long
time and I have heard and seen it all but this my friend was TRADE BUYING.


Thanks for listening to me and thanks for all you and your staff are trying
to do for the gold world.

Sincerely,
J. C.

Important feedback from another Café member: "A financial man on Wall Street 
spontaneously observed that gold was moving. A mutual fund manager 
innocently asked why, to be told by the firm's commodity people had said 
that it stemmed from anxiety concerning the law suit in Boston alleging BIS 
involvement in manipulation."

This is what we know:

*The specs that got long on Thursday are big winners, so big that they can 
freely add on dips - or whenever they choose to do so. This is now a dream 
trade.

*The dealers rarely buy on strength or technical chart breakouts. This 
indicates a bit of panic on their part. Most bullion dealers were not part 
of The Gold Cartel, but most had to know what was transpiring and some had 
to be playing along for the ride. They have to now be stunned at what is 
happening. The big move has occurred ever since GATA went public in South 
Africa and received so much South African media attention as a result of the 
GATA African Gold Summit in Durban. It is no coincidence that gold has 
rallied over $30 per ounce recently. The haughty and arrogant bullion 
dealers cannot believe that this is happening to them - gunned down by the 
GATA guerilla forces.

*If the dealers are scrambling to cover shorts and the specs are long and 
want to get longer, who is going to sell? The producers? Certainly not the 
Aussies. The Aussie gold price is now around A$552. Many of their hedge 
books are underwater and sinking fast. They (Sons of Gwalia types) are 
liable to panic once they realize GATA is winning and gold is headed for 
$600 per ounce.

Certainly, not mega hedger Barrick. They just added substantially to their 
hedges near the bottom. A recent story in www.thestreetcom.com: "Barrick 
Gold is one of the most heavily hedged gold producers. In fact, the company 
actually added to its hedge book in the most recent quarter, selling gold 
forward at an average price of $270 per ounce. Analysts estimate that 
Barrick has between 27 and 39 percent of its total reserves sold forward, a 
huge number fo

[e-gold-list] Re: I was shocked to see the following

[Mark S. Ohberg]

jpm worte:
>You could say .. a dramatic "trend" has been established, and nothing
>particularly dramatic will happen for a few days now.

It is out of control.  There is not enough to cover the paper gold the
short positions are scrambling to CTA (cover their Xsss).  When Hong
Kong markets opens AM, gold will pass $300.  Many pit traders who are
too young to experience this, will not be able to control price in the
regular fashion.  The fear factor has been set into motion, Europe is in
a panic because of the onslaught of the Euro.  The only safe way is
gold.  Whether Japan is doing it or not, central bank buying of gold
is a key element in a gold story that hasn't been told.  There have been
huge, undisclosed central bank sales over the past two years. At that
same time, it
is apparent that the market has absorbed these sales through central
bank purchases and other untracked demand.

 In other words, if the gold supply has been far higher than anyone
believed, then the demand must have also been far higher than previously
thought. And if
demand is that high...and the great majority of central bank supplies
are about to be cut off by the establishment of the European Monetary
Union...then the resulting
supply/demand imbalance will assure far higher gold prices.  No one who
had gold wanted to sell it today at the coin show.  Those bullion prices
were up $10 since since my sell price on Thursday.  They expect it
higher still.

Let me reiterate Strong demand at Britain's auction of 20 tons of gold
on Tuesday was 3.7 times oversubscribed.

Rgds.
MSO



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[e-gold-list] Re: I was shocked to see the following

[jpm]

At 6:18 AM -0500 5/20/01, James M. Ray wrote:
>Monday (well, Sunday night's Monday for the
>gold market) might be an interesting day, I guess.
>JMR

You know not really Jim -- I think it will just bounce around a bit. 
It might pullback a little after such a spike, or whatever, or it 
might shoot up again.

You could say .. a dramatic "trend" has been established, and nothing 
particularly dramatic will happen for a few days now.

for example -- in a few days, maybe a week, maybe less, it might 
actually give a strong reversal signal, and, at that point, we could 
say "it will now head down for awhile"

But after such a dramatic event (ie, crossing that line of 
resistence), nothing much will happne for awhile.

My guess -- the pit traders will pull the price down a bit to fake 
out all the losers who entered with market-[snicker]-if-touched 
orders last day.



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[e-gold-list] Nasty new windows virus that infected my friend' computer

[James M. Ray]

http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/992155539.html 

Read all about it at the URL above. Take care, this friend was expecting an
attachment and made the mistake of opening this thing instead!
JMR

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[e-gold-list] [A Humourous mentioning of the Gold Standard]

[hankroark]

For the entire story see this web page,
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010519/tc/life_inventor_picture_dc_1.html


The relevant gold / alternative currency related quote follows.

The subject of Ginger is off limits with Dean Kamen, 
who has kept his sense of humor despite the clamor 
over the undisclosed invention, also known as ``IT.'' 
For example, he enjoys discussing his mythical currency, 
the Dumpling, named after his small island off Connecticut.

``Last summer it was down,'' the younger Kamen said. 
``But Ben and Jerry, my joint chiefs of ice cream, have 
made us ice cream independent. We went off gold and went 
on the ice cream standard. As long as we keep it 
below 32 degrees, our currency is rock solid.''

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[e-gold-list] I was shocked to see the following

[James M. Ray]

On our friend Bob Hettinga's list. Ok, maybe "shocked" was too
strong a word for my reaction. I was amused by the pun-count
of some of the stories, but I'm easily amused. ;^)

BTW, thanks JP for your "it's in the charts" analysis, and YOU
rock in my book! Monday (well, Sunday night's Monday for the
gold market) might be an interesting day, I guess.
JMR


Subject: beenz loses headz
From: "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:25:57 -0400


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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:23:35 +0100
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Subject: beenz loses headz
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Top bean departs...

beenz loses headz
http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?e19265693&e=1702
Silicon.com

Friday 18th May 2001   3:50pm

beenz loses headz

Troubled online loyalty scheme beenz.com has lost its founder and
chief executive as well as its president and chief operating officer.


Charles Cohen, CEO, CTO and founder, and Donald Maguire, president
and COO are stepping down immediately. Both have left the company to
help it cut costs, according to a company statement.
Stephen Limpe, currently CFO, will become president and CEO.

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[e-gold-list] Morgan, gold and character

[Bob]

> Subject: 
> Morgan, verbatim.
>   Date: 
> Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:20:37 +0100
>   From: 
> "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Digital Bearer Settlement List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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> Finally, in what has become the most famous exchange in the [House
> Banking and Currency subcommittee 1912 "money trust"] hearings' thousands
> of pages of testimony, the two men returned to the question of
> controlling money and credit. [Samuel] Untermyer [vocal critic of the
> "money trust", committee counsel] said, "The basis of banking is credit,
> is it not?"
> 
> Morgan: "Not always. that is an evidence of banking, but it is not the
> money itself. Money is gold, and nothing else."
> 
> There was in 1912 a significant difference between actual metal coin and
> loans represented by paper (banknotes, bonds, bills). When Morgan
> repeated yet again that money could not be controlled, Untermyer asked
> whether credit was not based on money -- that is, did not the big New
> York banks issue loans to certain men and institutions "because it is
> believed that they have the money back of them?"
> 
> Morgan: No sir. It is because people believe in the man."
> 
> Untermyer: "And he might not be worth anything?"
> 
> Morgan, with less than perfect regard for grammar: "He might not have
> anything. I have known a man to come into my office, and I have given him
> a check for a million dollars when they had not a cent in the world."
> 
> Untermyer: "That is not business?"
> 
> Morgan: "Yes, unfortunately, it is. I do not think it is good business,
> though."
> 
> Untermyer did not, apparently, think much of this answer, for he repeated
> his proposition: "Is not commercial credit based primarily on money or
> property?"
> 
> Morgan: "No sir; the first thing is character."
> 
> Untermyer: "Before money or property?"
> 
> Morgan: "Before money or property or anything else. Money cannot buy it"
> - -- and he elaborated, after a few more questions -- because a man I do
> not trust could not get money from me on all the bonds in Christendom."
> 
> 
> - -- From _Morgan:_American_Financier_, by Jean Strouse. Random House, New
> York, 1999
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