[e-gold-list] My Vistit to the Perth Mint
Well I finally got around to dropping in on the Perth Mint. after looking over the various bars and coins I ended up buying a gramms of 99.99% gold (0.03 oz) in three little lumps. I then found a slightly unpleasent surprise, precious metals in Australia are now only GST exempt in they are coins or have the '' stamped on them, so instead of paying 1% over spot I got lumped with a 10% tax on top. Still, pretty yellow lumps. Got to save up for one of the bars now. Just thought I'd share the experience with everyone. cya, Andrew... PS:metalsavings keeps saying they have no gold to do withdrawals with lately, am I just logging on at bad times? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: My Vistit to the Perth Mint
I then found a slightly unpleasent surprise, precious metals in Australia are now only GST exempt in they are coins or have the '' stamped on them, so instead of paying 1% over spot I got lumped with a 10% tax on top. Right. I paid GST on a damn natural gold NUGGET! But not on a kangaroo bullion coin. Krugerrands, yes, maples, no. Only pure materials you pay no GST on, seems to be the idea. So, at a butchers: steaks: no GST Sausages: GST !! Wierd isn't it? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Another Russian fraudster!
Gentlemen! Please be aware that a person in Russia has used a stolen CC and stolen US name and address. The crooks details are: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-gold # 324617 IP 195.239.203.222 and IP 195.46.120.141 RT at E-gold: for your records e-gold Alliance: Beware this scammer! e-gold community: Ditto Management at USA.NET: Another USA.NET fraudulent customer Proof and details will be provided, on request to me. Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St Fax +1(312)777-4270 or +1(509)278-2268 UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612 USA Phone +1(817)230-2523 or cellphone +1(817)266-1678 If you would like a free e-gold, Standard Reserve, or OSGOLD account, please apply at my site! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: My Vistit to the Perth Mint
I paid GST on a damn natural gold NUGGET! But not on a kangaroo bullion coin. Krugerrands, yes, maples, no. Only pure materials you pay no GST on, seems to be the idea. So, at a butchers: steaks: no GST Sausages: GST !! Wierd isn't it? The Australian version of GST is strange, for food. basic food is exempt, while other food incurs GST. So if you buy a cooked chicken you pay no GST, if you buy half a cooked chicken, or two halves, you pay GST. Edible underwear attract GST. We are still waiting to hear if a tree falls over in a forest and no one hears it, whether it attracts GST. So don't cut your coins in half, just in case. David --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted !
Hi: Just got this in today. FWIW George X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jay Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E-gold Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:42:08 +0300 Subject: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted ! 8e787.jpg Login to access your e-gold account Account Number: 8e86d.jpg Passphrase: 8e8bd.jpg http://www-e-gold.com/unsecure/pgpkey.htm#about passphraseForgotten Passphrase? * Only enter your passphrase on the www.e-gold.com web site. * Do not reveal your passphrase to any other web site or individual. 6/14/01 12:47:19 PM GMT Click 8e917.jpg for help with a selection. © 2000 e-gold Ltd. __ George Matyjewicz, President/General Manager Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited World Wide Currency for the World http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] inline: 8e787.jpginline: 8e86d.jpginline: 8e8bd.jpginline: 8e917.jpg --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted !
At 07:16 AM -0400 06/15/2001, George Matyjewicz wrote: Hi: Just got this in today. FWIW George X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jay Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Sheesh. Silly forged spam. Needless to say, it's not me (or Jay) and it IS a scam, and as I've said before, I* can send e-mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED], but (for better or worse, depending on your POV) that does NOT mean that I am (or ever will be) president of the United States, so DON'T TRUST E-MAIL, it's an insecure medium. [EMAIL PROTECTED] DOES NOT EXIST, but with a bit of additional thought a scammer could have forged a real address @e-gold.com and the body of the message would still be just as fake, obviously... JMR * I'm honored to have gotten under a scammer's skin enough to be impersonated. Something I said or did probably works. :^) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Another Russian fraudster!
Hi, GK Please be aware that a person in Russia has used a stolen CC and GK stolen US name and address. Why another RUSSIAN fraudster ? Do you get so many RUSSIAN scamsters ? I think that CC is a national sport even in the US, bu US citizens... GK IP 195.239.203.222 and GK IP 195.46.120.141 Siberia ? Oh, that's unusual :)) MC -- Mariman Center www.mariman.net WebHosting - WebDesign $100/year, e-gold of course ! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted !
At 08:58 AM 6/15/2001, James M. Ray wrote: From: Jay Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Sheesh. Silly forged spam. Needless to say, it's not me (or Jay) and it IS a scam, and as I've said before, I* can send e-mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED], but (for better or worse, depending on your POV) that does NOT mean that I am (or ever will be) president of the United States, so DON'T TRUST E-MAIL, it's an insecure medium. [EMAIL PROTECTED] DOES NOT EXIST, but with a bit of additional thought a scammer could have forged a real address @e-gold.com and the body of the message would still be just as fake, obviously... JMR * I'm honored to have gotten under a scammer's skin enough to be impersonated. Something I said or did probably works. :^) Sure Jim. I believe you ;-). You are 100% right with e-mail. The problem is how do we get the uninformed of the world to not be so dumb as to answer this official (at least looking) notice? There was a case in NYC area where somebody put a sign up on the ATM that is was out of order, and to place your deposits in the box below. And people actually did that! I'm sure there are many people online who will fall for this. So, what do we all do? And a sometimes typical implied answer like don't be stupid doesn't work. That message that I received looked very official. And Jay Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] sure does sound official. George __ George Matyjewicz, President/General Manager Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited World Wide Currency for the World http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted !
You are 100% right with e-mail. The problem is how do we get the uninformed of the world to not be so dumb as to answer this official (at least looking) notice? There was a case in NYC area where somebody put a sign up on the ATM that is was out of order, and to place your deposits in the box below. And people actually did that! Mhahahahahahaha! When I was living in NYC there were some guys who rolled a portable ATM into a mall and set it up. Nobody questioned what they were doing, not the shopkeepers, not mall security, not maintenance, nobody. For a week people put in their cards, punched in their PINs and were informed that the machine was out of order. At the end of the week the guys came back and collected the machine, then began withdrawing money from people's accounts. I love human ingenuity. Even scumbags thieves sometimes show that spark that makes us the coolest of the animals. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted !
At 11:44 AM -0400 06/15/2001, George Matyjewicz wrote: At 08:58 AM 6/15/2001, James M. Ray wrote: From: Jay Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Sheesh. Silly forged spam. . Sure Jim. I believe you ;-). That's Mr. President. ;) You are 100% right with e-mail. The problem is how do we get the uninformed of the world to not be so dumb as to answer this official (at least looking) notice? There was a case in NYC area where somebody put a sign up on the ATM that is was out of order, and to place your deposits in the box below. And people actually did that! I'm sure there are many people online who will fall for this. So, what do we all do? And a sometimes typical implied answer like don't be stupid doesn't work. That message that I received looked very official. And Jay Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] sure does sound official. Well, another clue is that they capitalized the e in e-gold (and a lower-case e seems to be e-gold Ltd.'s only bow to cyber-hipdom, if that's a word). Anyway, another clue is that there is nothing in the account user agreement about inactive accounts being any problem (AFAIK, but please read for yourself if you're in doubt!). Why should e-gold Ltd. care if you go on vacation for six months with a big wad of green paper and never TOUCH a computer? (I think it sounds like a great idea, some days!:) Anyway, what I do is all I can, which in this case isn't much. For example, I can make all SORTS of security suggestions before the fact, but they tend to be in-one-ear-and-out-the-other until AFTER bad things happen. *sigh* Apologies for a very long URL, but here's _another_ example: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010614/tc/word_flaw_opens_door_to_trojan_horse_1.html Can I force folks here (and especially those not even on this list, and who don't check the free-market.net board) to read it? Nope. All I can do is hope... As I've said before, computer security is a *process* and there are professionals in the business who know (and charge) LOTS more than I do and make it their full-time job. All I give is free advice (which may well be worth it!). One suggestion I liked was made a while back (disclaimer, I'm a Mac user and a fan of Apple, despite their self-destructive history as a company) -- Buy one of the new iBooks for $1200, or get an old 386 box and install (Linux, *BSD, whatever) if you're cheap. Above all, stay away from scam-sites and HYIP schemes, and delete all spam. At the very least, if you are using Windows, do what it takes to secure the box, and keep up with this stuff. None of this is fun, and doing this will NOT solve all your security problems, but it WILL make you a lot harder to attack than the typical Windoze user is right now. IMNSHO, YMMV, speaking only for myself, etc. JMR http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/513418576.html http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/501571999.html and most of all -- http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/249450184.html will help you to secure your computer, but none of this is an exhaustive list, so read security BOOKS! JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted !
The same group put one of those ATMs in a mall in Connecticut, last I heard, they were caught so quickly after they started withdrawing money that they actually lost money on what they had spent to get the machines and set everything up. Sometimes crime DOESN'T pay. Gary - Original Message - From: Samuel Mc Kee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted ! You are 100% right with e-mail. The problem is how do we get the uninformed of the world to not be so dumb as to answer this official (at least looking) notice? There was a case in NYC area where somebody put a sign up on the ATM that is was out of order, and to place your deposits in the box below. And people actually did that! Mhahahahahahaha! When I was living in NYC there were some guys who rolled a portable ATM into a mall and set it up. Nobody questioned what they were doing, not the shopkeepers, not mall security, not maintenance, nobody. For a week people put in their cards, punched in their PINs and were informed that the machine was out of order. At the end of the week the guys came back and collected the machine, then began withdrawing money from people's accounts. I love human ingenuity. Even scumbags thieves sometimes show that spark that makes us the coolest of the animals. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 6/1/01 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: Your E-gold account is inactive - please Log In now or it will be deleted !
At 12:15 PM 6/15/2001, James M. Ray wrote: At 11:44 AM -0400 06/15/2001, George Matyjewicz wrote: . Sure Jim. I believe you ;-). That's Mr. President. ;) I agree with the security points Jim, er, Mr President. There's an old Arab saying you can lead a camel to water, but you have to kick him in the throat to get him to drink it. ;-) . We are all doing a CYA with statements about what you should and should not do, i.e., read the FAQ, our customer agreement, etc. The real issues seems to be an education one, which is definitely out of our realm. Perhaps an online security company should write some material or hold some seminars. Then again, folks will probably not read or attend. G George __ George Matyjewicz, President/General Manager Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited World Wide Currency for the World http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Javascript error
Well, I got this in OmniWeb..
JavaScript interpreter for document at https://www.e-gold.com/sci_asp/
payments.asp
[Load function callback]
function onload(event) {
if (self != top) {
top.location = self.document.location;
}
}
undefined
[Frame reset]
[no result]
when I tried the e-gold SCI out.
Tristan
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[e-gold-list] Re: Javascript error
function onload(event) {
if (self != top) {
top.location = self.document.location;
}
}
What's the problem? This piece of code ensures that nobody embeds any
e-gold page into their website. The english translation of the above is
If this page is inside a framset, break out of the frameset.
Viking Coder
Worth Two Cents?
http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder
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[e-gold-list] Re: Javascript error
I had almost the same problem not long ago. Using .href should fix it, as in
if (window != top)
top.location.href = self.document.location.href
or even (what I use)
top.location.href = location.href
| function onload(event) {
| if (self != top) {
| top.location = self.document.location;
| }
| }
|
| undefined
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[e-gold-list] the close
It looks like gold will close down today. Good! The odds of the up trend continueing are better now. I didn't want to see 4 up days in a row. bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: the close
It looks like gold will close down today. Good! The odds of the up trend continueing are better now. I didn't want to see 4 up days in a row. bob Right, it seems to have popped down through the bottom of the channel, but not that much. Tough one! My gut instinct is up, since it broke through 275 with no particular problem yesterday, maybe? I envy you being awake while the market is open Bob :) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] More Boggs in Berlin stuff
My friend, the artist J.S.G. Boggs, has sent me some HUGE files that are scans of German newspaper articles about his work in Berlin. Here's the only English translation I've got, the articles have some fun pics, if you want them I'm going to send them ONCE late Sunday evening, so please contact me privately before then. Thanks, and enjoy. JMR + The artist J.S.G. Boggs has brought along a briefcase full of money, which is now wide open and enthroned in the gallery o zwei like a shrine. The dance around the golden calve can begin: for one month, Boggs is going to trade with banknotes whose value will increase tenfold. His happenings are about the absurdities of money markets as a whole and of the art market in particular, since the banknotes are not real. Boggs prints his own currencies and on his banknotes it says 1 million Euro, 5000 Dollar or 100 Boggs Marks. The gallery is his base of operations. Its floorboards shine in the same bright orange as his jacket, his sleeping bag and those plastic dollars he has poured out on the floor. Living, printing money, exhibiting is all carried out under the same roof. For Boggs this combination is absolutely plausible. A banknote with a portrait and ornaments could also be art, says the 44 year old who on the other hand uses his works of art, created with a drawing pen, a printer and a computer, as a means of payment. Provided that he finds shops who accept the banknotes for their face value and then of course give out change and receipt as well. On those Boggs notes down the serial number of the note he paid them with, signs it, frames it and puts it up for sale for ten times of its official value. If he has settled a taxi bill of 15 Marks with 100 Boggs Marks, the 85 Marks change are now worth 850. For a receipt from the Prater restaurant for 486,90 Marks he now charges 4869 Marks. Collectors can also try to find the owner of an art banknote with the help of the receipt and try to buy it from him. Boggs' happenings tell of the circulation of commodities. At times a complete transaction might end up in a museum, for example as an installation with a restaurant table and can then be worth up to 120 000 real dollars, irrespective of the fact that by then the definitions of what is real and what is not, of what is art and what is money have long since become blurred. Seventeen years of such trade have not only bestowed the consecrations of museums upon him, but have also gotten him into trouble with lawcourts. He says he pays his lawyers in his own currency. However, Boggs can't close the gap between art and life completely. He does not produce counterfeit money. His banknotes can always be recognised as being a variation of their models. Above all his transactions would be only half as spectacular without the conventional boundaries between art and non-art. The question of how art can be evaluated with money is joined by the shock - or the pleasure - over the fact that allegedly transcendental art and allegedly profane money have become interchangeable and that both could possibly be nothing but myths. If art is money, money can be anything. Why thus not invent your own, as the European Union after all demonstrates it right now. Within the sheltered s pace of art Boggs tests out subversion. Everything else is left to the speculations of willing collectors. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:09:08 -0400 To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg Cc: Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] x-flowedDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:42:55 -0400 (AST) From: Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: interview Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freematt asks question 1: How do you describe yourself? What is your world view? Ian Grigg responds: I'm not sure how a paragraph could do justice to that question! I'm Australian by passport, although I consider that to be just part of the mix these days. I've lived for many years in Spain, Amsterdam, Britain, and now in Anguilla. Each has its own perspective, although Spain had the greatest formative influence on me in my adult years. -- Freematt asks question 2: How have thinkers such as Menger, Von Mises, and or Hayek influenced your thinking? Are there any fiction books that have had an impact on your ideas? Ian Grigg responds: Von Mises is a hazy influence. His writings are hard to get to, unlike Hayek, who is accessible to someone without an obsession with deep economic thought. Mises came with two big ideas that I've found central. One is the calculation argument, wherein he argued that central planning could not work on any large scale, simply because there is no way to calculate the outputs from the number of inputs. He said that Moscow needed too big a computer, and he was eventually proven right. Hayek believed that the market was about information. In Misian terms, Hayek's market is the great big free computer that saves us from central planning. The other big idea is that Mises questioned why it is that we believe the government could solve problems. Take a complex situation, and decide as a populace to have the government sort it out. Well, he questions why it is that we believe that the government would have the tools to do that? Is it that we believe that the government is somehow smarter than us? Are they better educated? In some sense are they capable of being more objective, more fair, more beneficial? The answer to all of those is no. Government people are generally not smarter, if anything, the converse, smart people make more money in industry. Better educated? Not really. More objective? Fair? All of these things are just too impossible for words; as what is fair to one is inequitable to another. When you think in those sort of Misian terms, it really is a bad idea to pass the buck to government. We have to sort out the problems ourselves. And, with government, probably the best we can hope for is an honest bureaucracy. Hernando de Soto has done some good work in Peru with the measurement of corruption and costs in starting firms. Harvard economists took his idea and measured it across 75 countries and are now providing the data to support a whole new view of government and bureacracy: that it grows to create tollways, create chances for private benefit out of public power. We used to think that regulation was a barrier to entry, that it arose to create easy conditions for big players. Now, we're seeing some good data that supports the view that these barriers are their for the ones who erect the barriers. All of this thinking is coming out of Mises and Hayek. If the market is so good, why do we have such big governments? It's no longer a libertarian or crackpot debate, the serious part of economic thought is looking at these questions deeply. There's a long way to go -- the Harvard work assumes too much when it measures the formal economy and not the informal -- but we are seeing a great change coming. Out of Hayek, out of Mises. -- Freematt asks question 3: Do you still think financial crypto depends on cryptography, software engineering, rights management, accounting, governance, value, and finance? Ian Grigg responds: Sure! Well, it's a model, it's a simplification. There are other things that go in there. Since I presented that paper in 2000, I've not heard any serious criticisms or ommissions. On the other hand, this is only a small field, there aren't that many companies or people actually testing and advancing the art. We've only had two successes in the field of FC so far, being the PayPal and e-gold experiences. So there's not a lot of hard data to go on. I think we are still at the point where we can compare and contrast using the model, but we can't condemn. The lower layers are better done in e-gold, but it's always been clear that PayPal understand the application better, that part that I called the Finance layer. -- Freematt asks question 4: Are truly anonymous electronic cash systems the future or do you see governments viewing
