[e-gold-list] some great stickers

[jpm]

http://bananagold.com/cars.html

There's some great photos of a super-fast bike, a real smooth limo in 
Jakarta, and a SAVE-BOB car!

Grams for photos are only available now (kindly donated by Jim) for 
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[e-gold-list] New Zealand market makers?

[Ken Griffith]

Who are the market makers in New Zealand.  Please e-mail me with your city
and names of the banks you do business with.  I have a contact with the
editor of a newpaper in a city on South Island who wants to use e-gold to
take online orders for classified ads and subscriptions.  If any of you have
a relationship with a bank in that city, we might be able to put together a
very nice deal.

Thanks,
Ken Griffith


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[e-gold-list] Re: The end of liberty

[jpm]

fuck that -- not while I'm breathing


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[e-gold-list] Re: cool article

[Mark S. Ohberg]

Ken Griffith wrote:

> The reason that corporations are able to pollute rivers with relatively
> little enforcement is because the government owns the rivers.

They do not sir, we dis allow it.

> Corporations
> donate lots of money to politicians, and politicians run the government.

worthless fiat currency, elected officials here know that the best votes are
grass roots who make their living off of a navigable water way, we are a slave
to the river

> So
> the EPA spends most of its time hunting down small operators who spill a
> pint of gasoline on the ground,

worthless fiat gov't souls

> while ignoring papermills dumping barrels of
> dioxin into the river daily.

We do not ignore them, we irk the hell out of them with their own laws used
against them.  It is a lot of Fun to tell them they can not.

> If the rivers and shallow ocean waters were privately owned,

They are by US Citizens, we've challenged a status quo that said all was
expendable in the name of business and profit.  The right to defend our
communities has been proven to be upheld by ancient legal doctrines, dating back
to the Code of Justinian which is the foundation of modern American democracy,
Pre Federal Government if you will.

> then the
> property owners would meet polluting corporations with lawsuits.

We have in multitudes and originally with the clean water act of 1889 shut em
down right and left. until the govt caught on

> The
> interesting thing about a river is the "shit" runs downstream, so a polluter
> would be liable to a class action suit from every water property owner
> downstream all the way to the ocean.

That is an advanced though with out the bad word. We trace all and any effluence
to the source sue em and get large sums of money to continue.  The organized
groups get the lump sums like fishermen

> All those people together form a large
> enough group to have the resources to afford to protect their interest in
> clean water.

The groups remain nameless on an e-gold list, but they are at least 8 or more on
the west coast.

> Just a thought.

ditto



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[e-gold-list] Re: The end of liberty

[Ken Griffith]

"The [UN] report recommends the creation of an International Tax
Organization (ITO)
> > (pages 27-28, 64-66).  The ITO would "sponsor a mechanism for
multilateral
> > sharing of tax information, like that already in place with OECD, so as
to
> > curb the scope for evasion of taxes on investment income earned abroad."
> > (page 28).

I've always thought that the UN headquarters in NYC would make a really nice
target for a nuclear tomahawk cruise missile.  Unfortunately, I still have
friends that live there.  Oh well, something will have to be done about the
"UN Problem" eventually.





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[e-gold-list] "Compared to What" - Swiss Movement

[Bob]

Subject: 
Compared with what?
  Date: 
Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:48:51 -0400
  From: 
"R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Digital Bearer Settlement List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/slipsky/?id=95000797

DISPATCH
High Hat
Is the dollar too valuable? Compared with what?

BY SETH LIPSKY
Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:01 a.m.

Before sitting down to write this column, I put on my favorite hat. It's
a
fedora made by the French hatter Motsch Fils & Cie. A warm gray, it has
a
gold embossing in the band that says garanti castor naturel, meaning
it's
made of real beaver. Hard to come by these days. The hat is
distinguished
by another feature. It was, in the mid-1980s, the object of what may
well
be the strongest exchange rate ever commanded by the dollar against the
modern French franc. The hat was priced at 1,300 francs, but I bargained
it
to 1,100. When the salesman stuck there, I asked him if he'd take a
Reagan
C-Note for it. "Ah, bien sur," he said, and I walked out with the
chapeau.

I reached for my Moetsch as I began to reason out the lead story in
Sunday's New York Times, which ran under a headline asserting "A Strong
Dollar Clouds Prospects for Quick Rebound." More than six months after
the
Federal Reserve began battling to reverse the economic slowdown in the
U.S., the Times reports, economists and business executives say an
unexpected rise in the value of the dollar is complicating the prospects
for a rebound. This is happening, the Times reports, despite six
interest-rate cuts by the Fed this year that would typically be expected
to
weaken the dollar. The result is that American products have become more
expensive when sold abroad.

It has to be said here that I am notoriously slow at these matters. I
often
have to read things several times to figure out what they mean. But it
didn't take me long to grasp that when the Times refers to a rise in the
value of the dollar, it appears to be referring to its value with
respect
to European scrip and the Japanese yen. I then went to the version of
the
Times story on the Web so that I could search the text automatically,
and I
ran a search to find the word "gold." I wanted to double-check my
impression from reading the print version. Sure enough, it turns out
that
this entire dispatch about the value of the dollar doesn't include the
word
gold. Not even once.

Of course, there's no indication in the story of what the value of the
yen
or the euro is either, although the dispatch is illustrated with charts
showing how these currencies stack up against one another. It's like
comparing rulers embossed with different unnumbered lengths. One has
more
lengths than the other, though what length they are is hard to
determine.
To find out what the dollar's real value is--that is, the price of
gold--one has to search elsewhere. It turns out that in fact the
dollar's
value has been decreasing in recent days and, in recent months at least,
has been more or less steady, ranging between 1/250th and 1/275th of an
ounce of gold.


Now if it sounds like I'm a typical gold bug, let me draw some
distinctions. I'm not an economist, for better or worse, but a
newspaperman. I am more concerned with accuracy of description than
policy.
And, for what it's worth, I'm not trying to criticize the journalism of
the
Times, per se. It just happens to be the paper that landed on my
doorstep
Sunday morning bearing a lead story about the "value" of the dollar. No
doubt it reflects the kind of thinking that passes for a policy debate
these days. My beef is that using some kind of plain-language test, it's
impossible to connect the terms in which policy is being debated to
anything real.

Back in 1986, The Wall Street Journal published a famous editorial
called
"The Bonn-Tokyo Deflation," which was accompanied by a shrewdly crafted
chart. It depicted the price of gold in dollars, deutsche marks and yen.
>From a straight line across the center of the chart, representing no change
in price, it showed the dollar angling up slightly, the mark angling
down,
and the yen plunging at a steeper rate still, as the gold price fell in
those currencies. The illuminated the fact that, as another Journal
editorial of the period put it, while the dollar had been inflating
slightly against gold, the yen and the mark had been soaring. What was
happening was the Germans and the Japanese were deflating.

These days the dollar seems to be more or less steady, at least in
recent
months. So if there's a problem it may well be that the Europeans and
Japanese are allowing their currencies to weaken rather than pursuing
other
pro-growth policies like tax reduction and deregulation.


Not that the disinflation of the kind that occurred in America in recent
years is entirely inconsistent with growth. By my lights the
underappreciated story of the 1990s expansion is that it took place in
the
face of a decade-long working up of the value of the dollar against

[e-gold-list] The Federal Reserve Is All About Stupidity

[Bob]

> Subject: 
> ip: The Federal Reserve Is All About Stupidity
>   Date: 
> Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:00:08 -0400
>   From: 
> "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Digital Bearer Settlement List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> --- begin forwarded text
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:46:32 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ip: The Federal Reserve Is  All About Stupidity
> 
> The Federal Reserve Is  All About Stupidity
> By Charley Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> © 2001 The Orlando Sentinel 7-9-1
> In the late 1960s, you could buy four or five heavy bags of groceries at
> a supermarket for about $17. Today, you can carry $17 worth groceries in a
> plastic sack hooked around your little finger. Ever wondered why the change?
> 
> It's simple. Our currency has been devalued. When a nation's currency is
> devalued, businesses and professions can raise prices and fees to compensate
> for the loss of value. It's the working men and women who get the shaft.
> 
> America's money and credit system is deliberately confusing. The people who
> designed it were logically afraid that if people understood it, they would
> never put up with it.
> 
> Let's start with the money in your pocket.
> 
> You will notice that it is a Federal Reserve Note. It is redeemable in
> nothing. It is backed up by nothing. Its exchange value, or purchasing power,
> is determined by the volume in circulation in comparison with the goods and
> services available at any given time. What makes the scam possible are those
> 11 little words tucked away in small type.
> 
> "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private."
> 
> Without a legal-tender law, people could defend themselves against
> devaluation by simply switching to gold or silver or even to a more-stable
> foreign currency, such as the Swiss franc. In the early days of the Republic,
> there were many different kinds of money in use.
> 
> The next step in figuring all this out is to realize that the Federal Reserve
> System is a privately owned central bank. It was made confusing deliberately.
> There are 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks, each one private and owned by
> the commercial banks. As in George Orwell's Animal Farm, all the Federal
> Reserve Banks are equal, but the New York Federal Reserve Bank is more equal
> than the others are. It handles the government bonds, and its president has a
> permanent seat on the Federal Reserve Board. This board, whose members are
> appointed by the president, is a quasi-governmental organization. More quasi
> than governmental, I assure you.
> 
> So here is how your money is devalued. When Congress wants to spend $50
> billion more than it collects in taxes, it goes to the Federal Reserve. The
> government gives the Federal Reserve $50 billion in government bonds, and the
> Federal Reserve adds $50 billion to the government's checking account.
> 
> Seems reasonable. But there is a catch. Where does the Federal Reserve get
> the $50 billion to put into the government's checking account?
> 
> It creates it out of nothing, with a keystroke. The bonds and the interest
> due on them are paid for with taxes, which is to say the sweat and labor of
> the American people.
> 
> In the meantime, to stay with our example, $50 billion in new money has been
> put into the system. In addition to that, the Federal Reserve can manipulate
> the economy. To put more money into the system, always in the form of debt at
> interest, it lowers interest rates; to take money out of the system, it
> raises interest rates.
> 
> But always the Federal Reserve acts in the interests of banks -- not in the
> interests of the people or the country.
> 
> Ignorant reporters have recently elevated the current Federal Reserve
> chairman, Alan Greenspan, to folk-hero status. Nothing is more absurd.
> 
> Still, as another American hero said, "Stupid is as stupid does."
> 
> --- end forwarded text
> 
> 
> -- 
> -
> R. A. Hettinga 
> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
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> [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
> experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
> 

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[e-gold-list] Re: cool article

[Dale Pond]

Ken Griffith wrote:

> When you depend on the government for water, you are its
> slave...

When you depend on government (or anyone else for that matter) for "anything"
you are its dependent (slave)...



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[e-gold-list] The end of liberty

[Bob]

> Subject: 
> R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> 
> --- begin forwarded text
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:00:10 EDT
> Subject: The end of liberty
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Dear Friends:
> 
> Some of you may have thought some of our fears about the what the statists
> have planned to end our freedoms were exaggerated.  The following is from a
> UN report last week - unfortunately it shows that the paranoid were right.
> 
> The U.N. High Level Panel on Financing for Development
> Recommends Making Orwell's Big Brother Real
> 
> On June 25, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan provided the report of the High
> Level Panel on Financing for Development to the General Assembly.  He
> appointed the panel in December of 2000.  Annan considers the report a "sold
> piece of work" and commends the panel for the "energy, imagination and effort
> that they brought to their task."  The recommendations of this report will be
> considered at Conference on Financing for Development which will take place
> in Monterrey, Mexico between March 18 and March 22, 2002.
> 
> The report recommends the creation of an International Tax Organization (ITO)
> (pages 27-28, 64-66).  The ITO would "sponsor a mechanism for multilateral
> sharing of tax information, like that already in place with OECD, so as to
> curb the scope for evasion of taxes on investment income earned abroad."
> (page 28).
> 
> The OECD harmful tax competition would require targeted small low tax
> countries to routinely provide all financial information on citizens and
> investors in those countries to the 30 industrialized OECD countries.  The
> OECD initiative imposes absolutely no requirements whatsoever on the country
> receiving the information to take any steps to protect financial privacy and
> no requirement that any OECD country show any probable cause that wrongdoing
> has been committed before being provided the information.  Countries that do
> not comply with this total abrogation of financial privacy would be subject
> to extraordinarily brutal sanctions.  The OECD would not require its own
> members to comply with these rules.  Large countries, like the United States,
> that provide tax advantages to foreign investors and honor financial privacy
> of its citizens and investors (at least to some degree) would be exempt from
> the OECD rules but would not be exempt from the United Nations ITO rules.
> The proposed U.N. ITO would result in every U.N. member government having
> routine unqualified access to the financial information of the citizens of
> all U.N. member states.  It would undoubtedly result in governments receiving
> this information using it not only for tax purposes but for intelligence
> purposes and to oppress minorities and political opposition.
> 
> The report states:
> 
> "The taxes that one country can impose are often constrained by the tax rates
> of others:  this is true of sales taxes on easily transportable goods, of
> income taxes on mobile factors (in practice, capital and highly qualified
> personnel) and corporate taxes on activities where the company has a choice
> of location.  Countries are increasingly competing not by tariff policy or
> devaluing their currencies but by offering low tax rates and other tax
> incentives, in a process sometimes called 'tax degradation'." (page 65)
> 
> "It [the ITO] might engage in negotiations with tax havens to persuade them
> to desist from harmful tax competition.  It could take a lead role in
> restraining the tax competition designed to attract multinationals -
> competition that, as noted earlier, often results in the lion's share of the
> benefits of foreign direct investment accruing to the foreign investor."
> (page 65)
> 
> Tax competition is a highly desirable limit on the degree to which
> governments can tax and a check on the inefficiency and corruption of
> government.  Countries that wish to attract investment from abroad by
> providing low taxes have every right to do so and neither the U.N. nor the
> OECD should dictate tax levels to sovereign states.
> 
> "Another task that might fall to an ITO would be the development, negotiation
> and operation of international arrangement for the taxation of emigrants.  At
> present most emigrants pay taxes only to their host country, an arrangement
> that exposes source countries to the risk of economic loss when many of their
> most able citizens emigrate."  (page 66)
> 
> The idea that a government should be able to impose taxes on those that have
> emigrated from its jurisdiction is repugnant and a violation of fundamental
> human rights.  It rests of the premise that the state retains a right to the
> fruits of its national's labor and investment income even after they have
> emigrated.  It should be viewed as a violation of Article 13 of the Universal
> Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the U.N. General Assembly in 1948
> which states in relevant part that "[e]veryone has the right to leave any

[e-gold-list] Re: cool article

[Ken Griffith]

The reason that corporations are able to pollute rivers with relatively
little enforcement is because the government owns the rivers.  Corporations
donate lots of money to politicians, and politicians run the government.  So
the EPA spends most of its time hunting down small operators who spill a
pint of gasoline on the ground, while ignoring papermills dumping barrels of
dioxin into the river daily.

If the rivers and shallow ocean waters were privately owned, then the
property owners would meet polluting corporations with lawsuits.  The
interesting thing about a river is the "shit" runs downstream, so a polluter
would be liable to a class action suit from every water property owner
downstream all the way to the ocean.  All those people together form a large
enough group to have the resources to afford to protect their interest in
clean water.

Just a thought.

Ken


- Original Message -
From: "Mark S. Ohberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: cool article


>
>
> Ken Griffith wrote:
>
> > Actually, that whole water debate out there brings up a good libertarian
vs
> > statism debate.
>
> 
> on the e-gold list
>
> > The highest taxed societies in the world have been hydraulic monopolies:
> > deserts with a big river running through like Egypt, Mesopotamia,
ancient
> > Chile, etc.  When you depend on the government for water, you are its
> > slave...
>
> Or corporate America,  GE (did I write that? shh) defiled the the
Hudson
> River, located in one of the highest taxed states: Noo Yawlk, USA.  Towns
on the
> river still drink from it.  That would make one a slave to corporate Poly
> Chlorinated Biphenyl's or PCBs.  So what if the Bass are now as big as 10
ft.
> they only come in from the Atlantic Ocean once a year to spawn, and thus
are
> edible once a week at certain parts per billion. In Maine or North
Carolina they
> don't have to care where the Bass was born.
>
> Who cares about smelly fisherman, they've been smelly since biblical time.
But
> If your really crazy than go ahead and eat the crab and sturgeon / caviar
> regularly, and get a job with the US Gov't as a study subject.  This major
> electrical conglomerate has won the war on  not dredging up the cancer
causing
> waste sludge via environmental PR tactics and Klamath farmer like
principles.
>
> I just feel bad that Pete Seeger (who is he?) and our groups are somewhat
to
> blame for the West Coast farmers irrigation plight, me thinks they
believed in
> the Federal Government Back when coins were silver, silver and gold
certificates
> were honored at your local bank.  The next US Civil war begins in
California
> where water is a gold GOD.  Send your donations to the Bikini atoll in the
> Pacific, Appalachia, or www.gold-age.net, they have been undergoing Fed
> governmental plight long before the Klamath turn off.  The East Coast is
not the
> West coast, I hope the farmers can invoke the GOD squad because there are
more
> children involved.  Bush will be able to say he did the taxes and, uh the
> farmers, mmm some photo opps, and saved the world.
> 
> CFN
> What is good? Then again what is best?
> MSO
>
>
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[e-gold-list] Re: Banner ads on GoldMoney

[Bob]

James M. Ray wrote:
> 
> At 06:03 AM -0400 07/12/2001, Bob wrote:
> (funny, I don't recall copying the e-gold list on that private email!)...
> 
> >Jim,
> >
> >That's an excellent idea!

Jim,

You are right. It wasn't sent to the list. I didn't notice.
I apologize. Would you please PGP your private mails to me?
Then I won't make this mistake.

Bob

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[e-gold-list] Re: cool article

[Mark S. Ohberg]

Ken Griffith wrote:

> Actually, that whole water debate out there brings up a good libertarian vs
> statism debate.


on the e-gold list

> The highest taxed societies in the world have been hydraulic monopolies:
> deserts with a big river running through like Egypt, Mesopotamia, ancient
> Chile, etc.  When you depend on the government for water, you are its
> slave...

Or corporate America,  GE (did I write that? shh) defiled the the Hudson
River, located in one of the highest taxed states: Noo Yawlk, USA.  Towns on the
river still drink from it.  That would make one a slave to corporate Poly
Chlorinated Biphenyl's or PCBs.  So what if the Bass are now as big as 10 ft.
they only come in from the Atlantic Ocean once a year to spawn, and thus are
edible once a week at certain parts per billion. In Maine or North Carolina they
don't have to care where the Bass was born.

Who cares about smelly fisherman, they've been smelly since biblical time.  But
If your really crazy than go ahead and eat the crab and sturgeon / caviar
regularly, and get a job with the US Gov't as a study subject.  This major
electrical conglomerate has won the war on  not dredging up the cancer causing
waste sludge via environmental PR tactics and Klamath farmer like principles.

I just feel bad that Pete Seeger (who is he?) and our groups are somewhat to
blame for the West Coast farmers irrigation plight, me thinks they believed in
the Federal Government Back when coins were silver, silver and gold certificates
were honored at your local bank.  The next US Civil war begins in California
where water is a gold GOD.  Send your donations to the Bikini atoll in the
Pacific, Appalachia, or www.gold-age.net, they have been undergoing Fed
governmental plight long before the Klamath turn off.  The East Coast is not the
West coast, I hope the farmers can invoke the GOD squad because there are more
children involved.  Bush will be able to say he did the taxes and, uh the
farmers, mmm some photo opps, and saved the world.

CFN
What is good? Then again what is best?
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[e-gold-list] Re: Banner ads on GoldMoney

[Viking Coder]

> Traders, speculators and investors have a lot more to think about
> than what it takes to make a lousy e-gold spend. Where's all the
> p*ssing, moaning and howling coming from traders, speculators and 
> investors. I've never heard of any.

Maybe because all the sites you listed are providing a free service.
e-gold is *not* a free service.


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[e-gold-list] Re: cool article

[Ken Griffith]

Actually, that whole water debate out there brings up a good libertarian vs
statism debate.

There are many salmon fishermen who are economically dependent upon the
salmon in that river for their living.  The reason this whole debate exists
is because the government owns the water in the river instead of private
individuals and companies.

It is reasonable that the salmon fishermen should have a legal protection to
a minimum water level in the river below which water cannot be taken for
irrigation.  The farmers can buy any amount of water OVER that minimum limit
to water their crops.

The big problem is they are having a massive drought out there and the river
is too low to water the crops and the fish.  The farmers have a welfare
mentality toward the government supplying them with water.  The
environmentalists have obviously greatly abused the endangered species act,
but the real solution is privatization of ownership of the rivers.

The highest taxed societies in the world have been hydraulic monopolies:
deserts with a big river running through like Egypt, Mesopotamia, ancient
Chile, etc.  When you depend on the government for water, you are its
slave...

Ken Griffith
BS in Fisheries Management


- Original Message -
From: "Paul Ewing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:16 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: cool article


>
> >And here's a worthy charity ..
> >
> >http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrassel/?id=95000803
> >
> >I'll donate two ounces of gold if anyone can contact and/or organize the
> >farmers in question (or some relevant body supporting the farmers) and
set
> >up a fund for them.
>
> >
> >Not a charity fund...just a prize for being so cool.  Maybe buy them a
new
> >set of bolt cutters.  I wonder if they sell bolt cutters on Amazon?
>
> I would donate to them as well.  If they keep this up for long they'll
need
> to refill their oxy-acetylene tanks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul Ewing
> Shining Moon Creations - Exotic and Fantasy Jewelry
> http://www.shiningmoon.com
>
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[e-gold-list] Re: cool article

[Paul Ewing]

>And here's a worthy charity ..
>
>http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrassel/?id=95000803
>
>I'll donate two ounces of gold if anyone can contact and/or organize the 
>farmers in question (or some relevant body supporting the farmers) and set 
>up a fund for them.

>
>Not a charity fund...just a prize for being so cool.  Maybe buy them a new 
>set of bolt cutters.  I wonder if they sell bolt cutters on Amazon?

I would donate to them as well.  If they keep this up for long they'll need 
to refill their oxy-acetylene tanks.

Cheers,

Paul Ewing
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[e-gold-list] Re: Security lockout still working???

[Jay W.]

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hi gary - 

yup,  N consecutive incorrect passphrase entries on an
account gets it locked out for Y minutes.

N and Y have not changed for quite some time. possibly this
person was using an account on some other system?


jay w.
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> Does e-gold still lock accounts after a number of false password
> tries to access an account?  Just saw a post in another forum from
> someone who said they tried it for hours and couldn't get the
> account to lock.  If they no 

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[e-gold-list] Re: cool article

[Dale Pond]

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>
> And here's a worthy charity ..
>
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrassel/?id=95000803
>
> I'll donate two ounces of gold if anyone can contact and/or organize
> the farmers in question (or some relevant body supporting the
> farmers) and set up a fund for them.
>
> Not a charity fund...just a prize for being so cool.  Maybe buy them
> a new set of bolt cutters.  I wonder if they sell bolt cutters on
> Amazon?

I'll donate as well if such an e-gold fund is created. Here is an article on
current legal and financial efforts:

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/jul/12/arap03-071201.htm

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[e-gold-list] cool article

[jpm]

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/slipsky/?id=95000797

You'll LOVE the part where the author says, offhand ..

"To find out what the dollar's real
value is--that is, the price of gold--"




And here's a worthy charity ..

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrassel/?id=95000803

I'll donate two ounces of gold if anyone can contact and/or organize 
the farmers in question (or some relevant body supporting the 
farmers) and set up a fund for them.

Not a charity fund...just a prize for being so cool.  Maybe buy them 
a new set of bolt cutters.  I wonder if they sell bolt cutters on 
Amazon?


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[e-gold-list] Re: Phase 1 Bank Expansion Program

[Frank Zuchristian]

THEY ARE HERE!

Good news, I have the numbers, the only thing that has
to happen is that they must be added to my  electronic
banking package.  This should only take another day or
two.  I am going to give you the numbers at this
point.

Belgium:   3101630146-50
Luxembourg:17-534-743-0-3/100
Germany:   3150151068  BLZ 37010400
France:30438 1 4000 72860
Spain: 0168-0001-88-0001603426
Italy: 03475 1601 087006750
Portugal:  0500  311000200097-51
United Kingdom:600027-92

Hopefully, very quickly will follow the Latvian
account. We will make the changes to the pages, and
upload them as soon as everything is squared away.  We
also add a seperate banking page to reflect these
changes.

Clients in the effected countries will also see a
slight increase in our pricing to reflect the extra
costs that we incur.  However, they should save
substantially over the total costs being experienced
now.

Euro Gold Line is always on the lookout as to how to
serve their clients better.  Practically all of our
business is repeat clients or their referrals, of
which we are very proud.

Regards,

Frank
Euro Gold Line
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
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[e-gold-list] Re: Banner ads on GoldMoney

[James M. Ray]

At 06:03 AM -0400 07/12/2001, Bob wrote:
(funny, I don't recall copying the e-gold list on that private email!)...

>Jim,
>
>That's an excellent idea! 
>
>So. why hasn't G&SR already jumped to it?
...

Because they don't run websites with polls? Besides, any poll isn't
likely to affect the eventual decision on whether to run banners, IMO
(but who knows?) and G&SR's hypothetical running of a poll would
suggest otherwise.

If you're upset, you have a number of options... Needless to say, I
disagree with your message, but perhaps you could be more specific
in your accusations/assertions? OTOH, why bother? I want all sides
of any story I care about; others don't, and want to sputter instead...
I'd prefer not to waste time/bandwidth on that, frankly. Thanks.
JMR


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[e-gold-list] Re: Banner ads on GoldMoney

[Bob]

James M. Ray wrote:
> 
> At 04:25 PM -0400 07/11/2001, Bob wrote:
> >Viking Coder wrote:
> >
> >> > You are certainly right... And IMO, e-gold will do same as
> >> > GoldMoney.
> >>
> >> And IMO, they shouldn't. It is the wrong path to follow.
> >>
> >> Viking Coder
> >
> >Ya, we know what you think they *should* do, but what do you think
> >they *will* do?
> 
> Maybe someone (Constructiongigs?) will set up a poll. There's probably
> no way to stop multiple-voting by either side, but it might be interesting
> to see, especially if the voters could leave short comments.

Jim,

That's an excellent idea! 

So. why hasn't G&SR already jumped to it? It appears to me that
they have the money, time (non-renewable resource) and energy (non-
renewable resource) to burn.

How I see e-gold now:

 a leader no more
 pressuring/forcing it's business customers to use it's 
competitor's monies.
 holding back it's business customers
 twiddling it's thumbs while it's competitors close in

It's one thing to catch the ball. It's another thing to take it,
run with it, and really go somewhere.

Getting stuck in a rut ain't too cool. The only difference 
between a rut and a grave is the depth.

Now:

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/81
Ads above and below the chart, plus a pop up window.

http://stocks.tradingcharts.com/stocks/charts/nem/d
Banner ad plus a pop up

http://www.bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=nem&sid=0&o_symb=nem&x=32&y=13
Banner, big side bar, 4 buttons

Traders, speculators and investors have a lot more to think about
than what it takes to make a lousy e-gold spend. Where's all the
p*ssing, moaning and howling coming from traders, speculators and 
investors. I've never heard of any.

Bob (one ticked off shareholder)
-- 
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Use gold as money. It's easy. Create a free e-gold account here:
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Fingerprint:
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