[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] The eCTA? No thanks
> > >I have one more comment about the eCTA. It has become very apparent to > >me, and I'm sure others, that the eCTA's only function is political in > >nature. GBH will not join any such group that engages in political > >squabble and racketeering. > > > >Regards, > >Tristan > > Sir, My observation, as a customer, of this whole saga over the past few days have shown me that the ecurrency trade association have been the one's acting in a professonal manner and upholding the charter which is on their web site while others like yourself spend their time making catty snide infantile remarks like little school children instead of something constructive. An example of political squabbling if ever I have seen one and quite disgusting from my point of view. And racketeering has conontations of criminal activities as you must very well know so why use it? Do you accuse the currency association of being criminals yet not have the courage to come out and say so? Very small minded. I am wondering if you have the same sort of attitude on the quite about your customers. I don't know never having been a custoemr of yours. But your behaviour, like some others, does not encourage me to be a customer. Then this Ragnar guy promotes scammers and thieves and then has the temerity to announce he is opening his own association. As a public person, Ragnars "association" would be the last place I would go to find a secure and safe market maker. I have used the ecurrency trade association site very happily and am impressed with the work and effort they have put into it. I have used Gold Now as well as other ECURRENCY TRADE ASSOCIATION MEMBERS and am very happy with their service and will continue to use them. I agree that members who do not follow the rules should be suspended though and hope that goldnow gets it's house in order and is reinstated but that will not stop me from using them (In fact they were big enough to admit to their error and apologized publicly). Otherwise why have the rules in the first place. I see the Charter that the association has is for my and other customers benefit and appreciate that. So all you small minded nick pickers either help out or shut up. I am sure there are other members of the public who agree with me. Steve the Sniper. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix News
>you explain to me how they will do that? >I certainly like the idea of Pecunix. The more solid and reputable GBIC we >have, the better it is for the gold economy. Mr Cormier, A couple of points, Firstly this is a Panamanian Corporation and not subject to US, or New Zealand regulations. (incidently there is no connection with the US whatsoever. No Director Lives in the US abnd no gold will be stored there I believe) Secondly that section you mention refers to Internet usage, growth etc, of financial transactions on the Internet. Aside from the optimisim of the projections, it is not unknown for a P/E Ratio to move such. Pecunix believe they have the system and the capability to put into place a system that will overshadow all former ecurrency types and with that in mind and the publics possible perceived share price, this is indeed a conservative estimate I feel. Regards, Sniper _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Pecunix News
Some interesting reading on Pecunix http://www.prweb.com/releases/2001/7/prweb26825.php Sniper _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix
>Of course they don't mention scams in a prospectus. But mentioning MLM and >Gaming is exactly the same. That is like saying all women are the same or that all cars are the same. There is such a thing as differences, similarities and identities. Are all Woudts the same? I do not see that scams are being specifically targeted any more than my any other currency supplier. >PS: Even more interesting is the following phrase in their prospectus: > >"During the year 2000 e-gold experienced explosive growth, partly due to >work done by the founders of pecunix incorporated." > >Now that we all know where this growth of e-gold came from, what does this >mean? Oh come now, what are you covertly implying? Are you saying that e-gold only grew out of scams? and implying that the Founders of Pecunix are scam artists as well as all those people who opened e-gold accounts and the market makers who grew to service them? Is this your opinion of the e-gold community? I imagine both Pecunix AND e-gold would not take lightly to that view. And you posted it on the discussion list as well! tsk tsk. I think a lot of honest people are actually responsible for the growth of e-gold, not the least ALL those that use it one way or another including YOU? Do YOU have an e-gold account? Sniper _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-Bullion Article
>Pecunix has other problems: they specifically aim the MLM/gaming/scam >market (at least in the beginning), thereby introducing a higher risk of >being shut down by the authorities. 1) They did not SPECIFICALLY target MLM/Gaming/Scam. MLM and Gaming are mentioned. nowhere do I see the word scam in the prospectus. 2) If that were true e-gold would have been shut down long ago . Lets not post contrary facts as opinions. > >I wonder what the Panama and NZ governments will do when they figure out >that Pecunix is supporting scams. It's not just the US government that does >not like them, even though most 'victims' seem to live in the US. I have looked very carefully in vain but no where do I see 'Scams Supported here" Again opinon, not fact. Sniper _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-Bullion Article
>On 21 Jul 2001, at 4:03, The Snipper wrote: > > > Looks to me like Pecunix is going to be the only 'private' gold > > supplier available. > >Can you be more specific about what is not "private" in the other >GBCs ? >I think that you are seriously biased! >It doesn't really matter if some shareholders of the GBC's issuers >are in the USA or anywhere in the world. What counts is the >corporate identity of the issuer, its corporate governance, its >partners, and its product. > What you say about the corporate identity of the issuer, its corporate governance, its partners, and its product is valid but I also like to know who I am dealing with, not just a faceless company name. As for the 'private' part, I was refering to private in the sense, free from US government intrusion. Don't take what I say out of context. My sentence was included as part of: "Pecunix Incorporated does not have that disadvantage. The company is registered in Panama and NONE of the major players are in the US. In fact they are in New Zealand if you read the prospectus. And NZ does not have a history of kotowing to the US government. This will only increase the security aspect from the user point of view when it comes to US governmental agencies. Looks to me like Pecunix is going to be the only 'private' gold supplier available." In that regard, yes. I am seriously biased. Yours, Sniper _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-Bullion Article
> >I have written an in-depth article introducing e-Bullion. You can read it >on the beta-site for the new version of The Gold Economy. While you're >there, poke around the site a bit and let me know what you think. > >URL: http://www.goldbankone.com/article.php?sid=123&mode=nested&order=0 this makes for very interesting reading well presented and informative. there are a couple of points which I think are important: "When asked who the shareholders and directors of the company were, the company spokesman said that e-Bullion is privately held and intends to keep that information confidential. " Pecunix Venture Holdings Incorporated it appears will not be so reticent bearing in mind that there is an invitation on the table for prospectus issued shares available. "Now that there are five gold digital currencies undergirding the gold economy, we are starting to see the kind of diversity that is necessary to support a true commercial infrastructure for gold currency. While we would like to see a more international offering (all of the existing companies have strong ties to the United States) progress is definitely being made at Internet speed! The next major problem to be solved is to bring all of these currencies together with a common transaction protocol, so merchants won't have to use five different shopping cart programs." As you have pointed out the main weakness is that some or all of the key players in each company listed reside or have close connections in the US. Pecunix Incorporated does not have that disadvantage. The company is registered in Panama and NONE of the major players are in the US. In fact they are in New Zealand if you read the prospectus. And NZ does not have a history of kotowing to the US government. This will only increase the security aspect from the user point of view when it comes to US governmental agencies. Looks to me like Pecunix is going to be the only 'private' gold supplier available. Sniper _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] A Slice of Cake
This came my way today: A Slice of the Cake All the current Gold Account Custodians such as e-gold, Goldmoney, Standard Reserve, osgold and e-bullion all have one thing in common. They are all private companies set up to make a profit from the movement and/or storage of gold through accounts for the benefit of their founders. This is all very well and we all understand that people have to make a living. However, apart from the convenience of gold accounts to 'play' with what other advantage is there in it for us? How many millions will e-gold actually make for its directors and private shareholders this fiscal year? With a movement of well over 52 million dollars per annum moving through the accounts and e-gold picking up a few cents on the transactions, not to mention the storage fees, how much does e-gold really make on an annual basis in terms of profit? And being 'offshore' how much of that profit is being retained taxwise? We are talking big biccies here. Are Goldmoney, Osgold, Standard Reserve and e-bullion expecting to make the same sort of profits? Running such a facility is obviously perceived to be a big money spinner and the founders of such companies expect to retire in the sun wealthy to say the least. But what about the account holders? What do they get? What if a company was set up which basically offered the same service, fully backed by gold and offering the account facility on more or less the same terms, but with the added bonus that WE could share in the profit. What a difference would that make! This would be a company which account holders would be happy to use and promote as they would own a slice of the cake! As well as using the facility for storing their gold and happily transacting business they would also know that, at the end of the year, there could be a dividend or a share price increase. If such a company did exist and you could buy shares in it, it would truly be a case of having your cake and eating it. Well in fact it does! Pecunix http://www.pvcse.com/info.htm is a company currently being constructed to be the forerunner of gold account custodians. As well as being an open faced company with proper governance and accountability clearly shown, it will also be user friendly, strictly secure and, best of all, you can be a part owner in the company and reap some of the profits! As well as some innovative ideas the Directors have also culled and included the best aspects of previous companies in an effort to present the most modern uptodate efficient service company in the gold economy. Not only that. They also felt that the account holders should be rewarded for their loyalty in the form of participation in the growth of the company. So now such a company does exist, you can buy shares in it and it is truly a case of having your cake and eating it! Michael PR & Marketing Pecunix Incorporated [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pvcse.com/info.htm _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Talk about Irony!
> E-gold, Ltd. is suing Charles Evans. Or is that G&SR/Omnipay is suing Gold & Silver Reserve is doing the suing. But it is largely irrelevant as all three companies are owned and controlled by the same people. You got three axes. Which one do you use? Hardly matters...they all cut just as viciously. >VERY interesting. I wonder if it will make it to Court TV? If it does it will be another blow to the gold economy. Trial by media especially when dealing with an economic system that is in direct conflict with the major financial institutions and is already having aspersions of laundering being thrown around by the media: http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 The media, shovelling crap down the mouths of the uninitiated, will have a field day. It is becoming apparent that e-gold are more concerned with their own rightness than with the gold economy. Sniper (Steve) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: it never ends!!!
I am not Charles if that is what you are inferring. I have never met the guy or any of his family. But I do have sources of information. Cheers. Steve (Sniper) >From: "SnowDog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: it never ends!!! >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 06:01:38 -0500 > > > Gold & Silver Reserve, a multi-million dollar company are Sueing a >former > > employee whom they sacked without notice last year. > >What do they want you to do? What are they asking in settlement? > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: it never ends!!!
Yes thats right Gold & Silver Reserve, a multi-million dollar company are Sueing a former employee whom they sacked without notice last year. The former employee, Charles Evans, who was a successful Director in the e-gold group prior to being booted out, was handed a civil complaint while attending a conference in Scotland a while ago. He was personally accused of Misappropriation of Trade Secrets, Tortious Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage, Unfair Business Practices, and Breach of the Duty of Loyalty. Mr Evans has categorically disputed these alledged claims and is now struggling to find the 10,000 dollars required to defend himself and his family against this heavy handed attack as a reward for the loyalty he displayed whilst working for e-gold. The Founders of e-gold have handed Mr Evan's Daughter, who will be 5 on July the 1st, a most remarkable birthday present. The probable denial of her future education. Due to this unwarranted and heavy handed litigation by the two Lawyers who 'run' the e-gold conglomerate and are safe hidden behind offshore companies. Some would say, a cowardly act. But then again some would say...not suprising really. Perhaps someone should start up a Defence fund for Victims of e-gold, with the Evans Family the first beneficiaries. They are gonna need it! Sniper _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
> >A Cambio, Exchange Provider or Market Maker will have to go through a >verification process in order to, be accepted as a member of the eCTA. >Once this is accomplished the new member will be issued with a Seal of >Accreditation which they will be entitled to display on their web >site. In addition they will be added to the eCTA site with information >on the services they offer. > Thank you that's the information I was witing for. >A certain number of Cambios, Exchange Providers and Market Makers have >applied for membership and are currently going through the verification >process. When this is completed they will be full members of the eCTA >and issued with the Seal of Accreditation. Can we find out who they are? Cheers! Sniper _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: eCurrencyTrade Association
>The Purposes of the eCurrency Trade Association include: > >Provide and maintain a professional standard of ethics & guidelines >for the eCurrency and gold economy within which each member can >operate securely and their rights may be protected in order to >service their clients and customers and the gold economy >effectively. > >Maintain a high standard of entry to the Association. > >Promote and maintain the highest professional standards of business >conduct and practice among it's members Well at last! I am glad to see that someone has decided we need a proper standard for the market makers. About time too. lets hope that all the market makers apply. I for one will be looking to see who is a member for my next order. Is there some way we will be able to tell who is a bona fide market maker and who is not? Cheers! Sniper _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Off shore information
>I have added a page to Gold Today featuring Trident Press. This is the web >site of Lance Spicer, Australian Accountant, know for his concise and >accurate information regarding off shore accounts, scams and investments. > >He has written such books as: > >'The Invisible World' >'High Yield Investments' >'Scams & Frauds' >'Underground Knowledge' > and others. I have read one of Lance Spicers books. The Scams & Frauds one. This is a book that many in the e-gold world should read. It specifys who is behind most of these scams that poliferate the e-gold economy. A lot of people will sit up and take notice when they read this I can tell you. Steve the wippersnipper _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
