[e-gold-list] Re: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Sidd wrote: Here's an interesting observation: ... Thus, I have been MUCH better off keeping my money in a NZ bank at an interest rate of 6.5% than I would have been if I had kept it in gold. Interesting. You mentioned USD/AU and USD/NZD, but do you have a bottom line figure on NZD/AU? I mean, how much has the price of gold in NZD dropped over the last two years? You Americans must be really pissed at how your currency is being destroyed! Two things happening in the US: 1. Falling dollar 2. Rampant protectionism, i.e. punitive tariffs on imports Both deliberately designed to prop up American businesses who can't compete on the world scene but have plenty of lobbying power in Washington. We Americans will be paying a lot more for steel, textiles, catfish, computer chips -- you name it. If we buy from American companies we pay high local prices. If we buy from Europe, China, Vietnam, South Korea, etc. we pay high tariffs and high foreign exchange. Bush hopes to smell like a rose by November, with low unemployment figures, higher American corporate profits, and endorsements from labor unions. Everything will cost more, but shoppers grumbling about the price of cars and fish sticks, or invisibly paying $100 more for a computer than they otherwise would have, are not going to trace that back to Bush Co. in numbers that matter. Family funds will just sort of drain down a bit for no reason, and everyone will vaguely wonder why their take home pay (a disgusting term meaning the 40% of their earnings they're allowed to keep) doesn't seem to go as far as it used to. But no Sidd, I don't think many Americans will be pissed about it because they don't have much of a clue in the first place. Those who have a clue might take action like buying gold or NZD, and maybe this can generate enough price action to get clueless Americans to jump on that bandwagon -- though most of them will be too late. The path of least resistance for most of them is still stock and bond mutual funds. Gold and currency investment options are more exotic and harder to come by for average investors, and also much less publicized and even deliberately downplayed by financial advisors, CNBC, etc. A friend of mine who's been in the hedge fund industry for quite a while has started a Forex currency fund and I think he's right on the money so to speak. The other day I was talking with him about gold and we got to thinking that he should include gold in his fund as just another currency. There may come a day when ALL national fiat currencies are dropping relative to gold. Any currency fund which merely chases the relative squiggles between Euro, USD, NZD, etc. will be chasing those squiggles straight down the tubes in terms of actual purchasing power. So I think AU ought to be in his fund, though right now the parent trading system under which his fund is organized does not accommodate such a barbaric relic. But my friend said he might call them up and suggest that they include AU in their system somehow. Or maybe he could find a way to include AU on the side, as an adjunct to the normal currency trading in the parent trading system, though it would complicate the accounting quite a bit. -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: NZ banks
At 10:56 PM +1300 12/4/03, Graham Kelly wrote: MS, Can I assist? I cannot get you a NZ account, but I can help other ways, maybe! Graham Kelly CEO CEO of what? Can you recommend an NZ bank that accepts deposit accounts (preferably with VISA debit card) from non-natives, offers that 6.5% rate, and doesn't soak you on conversion fees ? What I'm looking for should be obvious: A debit card with low or no currency-conversion fees which I can use anywhere in the world, off a deposit account with a decent rate of interest, in a currency which equals or beats gold. If should also be easy to move funds into and out of the account, and not require an insane amount of bullshit to set up. The issuer should also have an 800 number (preferably 24/7) in order to deal with problems (such as placing a lock on my account in the event of a stolen card). Mike. -- http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fairy Wings Auctions Accepting E-gold -- Great Holiday Gift
Jim Davidson wrote: Tell anyone else you know who would be interested in buying these items with e-gold. I'm not doing this entirely for my own financial gain. I must say that the GoldBarter.com auction site exists entirely for financial gain. It is not only okay, but preferred that people place items for auction there for the purpose of financial gain. Well I didn't say it wasn't in part for financial gain, or even primarily so I'm just giving people small break. View it as a selfish act of cooperation if you like. If we all work together to make it easier to use alternatives to fiat currency, we all have something to gain. I certainly would not be disappointed if one of my buyers remembered and gave me a discount off the normal dollar rate for something they were selling in the future. giving these kinds of discounts, but I'm doing this to encourage alternatives to government-issued currency. I would probably save money by not accepting e-gold or E-gold offers a pretty compelling argument, on their web site, that e-gold is better for merchants than credit cards. Jim Ray? What's that link again? Also, I think e-gold is much better than the typical eBay alternative, PayPal which sucks so badly people make web sites about how badly it sucks. I seem to recall http://www.paypalwarning.com/ among others. PayPal has been very bad for several merchants I know. If you already have e-gold, it's a very fast of paying, and it's probably the fastest way regardless internationally. The only problem is that if you haven't already bought some, it costs a premium to get it fast by credit card, and my buyers could already pay me as convieniently by money order, perhaps more convieniently, than they could by buying e-gold by money order at low rates and then making a transfer to me And they could already do that even before I started accepting Paypal. The only reason I still accept Paypal after all their abominable changes to the User Agreement is because the manufacturer agreed to take the payments in her account, bearing all the risk. I don't think it's wise for her, but if she's willing to do that, it's fine with me. I still get paid my comissions for selling stuff. Fairy wing sales are on what I would say is the extreme low-risk end of chargebacks (that is, people with stolen credit cards tend not to buy them, and the buyers tend to be fairly honest), but I still won't take Paypal myself. If Paypal allowed surcharges, I might consider implementing one to compensate for the risk. I tried giving a discount for every other payment method for a while and raising my prices instead, but that increased the eBay fees I ended up paying. I'm still not sure that was really worth it -- Most buyers would still pay by money order if they didn't have the choice of Paypal, and I don't offer guaranteed shipping times anyway, so they're willing to wait. I think the main obstacle to getting people to buy things with e-gold directly on more of an impulse-type basis is the difficulty in funding an account rapidly. They just seem to have too short of an attention span, even when I offer discounts twice what I did in those eBay auctions Being able to walk into a bank, deposit cash, and get e-gold the same day, as is increasingly possible is good, but what people really need to be able to do is buy it online by something like ATM -- something a little bit more secure and less fraud-prone than credit cards, so that the rates aren't so high. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: market thrills ..
Robert B.Z. wrote: Fourthly -- the sensation of being paid .62 grams, forty times, at Noon on the first of the month is something like this: Somebody get this man laid. I Beg to differ Robert, The Marketing Major you write of has no issues regarding your concern, I think your statement rude on this list and archive. He is hallucinating of a life back in 1850 when $300 could have bought him all that... No he is spinning his own version of recent New York State Lottery Commercials, He also left out how DJ Xaviour would be working the wheels of steel pool side, while he swims laps. And they are calling 'me' mad. Shesh. 8% compounding per annum and the guy is in gagaland. This is pure gold my golden associate, and a mere start to boot a virtual fire sale. I still think the whole thing is a great idea, why else would we have invested, but having LSD-like wet dreams over a return that is in no relation to the risks involved is too much madness, even for me... Risks? H Philosophy what's yours? it seemed fair de well Happy Holidays. Cheers, Robert. Skoal Mark --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold Funding on the Virtual Visa
go directly to the source: http://www.epassporte.com Graham, How do we fund the Virtual Visa by the e-gold sale. Tom is looking to sell e-gold now, how does he do it? We can't find any mention of it on your web (being so new), so should he use the Fund Debit Card form? What is the e-gold account number etc. Thanks, great job by the way, very cool. Mark -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
At 5:12 PM +1300 12/4/03, Sidd wrote: Here's an interesting observation: ... You Americans must be really pissed at how your currency is being destroyed! So far, it doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Most folks have probably forgotten the high inflation days of the '70s by now, so it's a perfect time to have lots of inflation, especially after media stories earlier this year warning of DEflation (during a war, yeah right!). Even newspapers like the Wall Street Journal (which is supposedly filled with people who know economics!) ran these panicky there might be deflation stories. IMO, how they ever even got to be news might be an interesting story someday. I expect http://cryptome.org/ John Young to cover it before the professional media when that happens. Go buy his CD, John is a hero of the information-age. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: NZ banks
Mike, What I'm looking for should be obvious: A debit card with low or no currency-conversion fees which I can use anywhere in the world, off a deposit account with a decent rate of interest, in a currency which equals or beats gold. If should also be easy to move funds into and out of the account, and not require an insane amount of bullshit to set up. The issuer should also have an 800 number (preferably 24/7) in order to deal with problems (such as placing a lock on my account in the event of a stolen card). I have been informed that all banks in New Zealand issue debit cards but you need to *front up* to get them. You can't send funds out of the country online either but you can fax the New Zealand banks International payment orders. Banks you could try are: anz.co.nz asb.co.nz bnz.co.nz westpac.co.nz Best, Drew --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: NZ banks
Frankly, all members on this list SHOULD fly to NZ, and get a bank account. The NZ internal P2P transfers are mostly dynamic... ... and come to lunch with me, when you arrive! BTW, I simply call my bank, and request international transfers, mutiple times per day. Graham Kelly CEO On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:52:59 +1100, Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have been informed that all banks in New Zealand issue debit cards but you need to *front up* to get them. You can't send funds out of the country online either but you can fax - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO UK Fax +44 (0) 870 135-0279 'I was not born to be a second-hander' - Ayn Rand --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: debit card funding delays grrr! Virtual Visa and ATM card
at least he shows some respect and has business communication skills. You SHOUT like you are a 12 your old spoiled brat on an aol forum. Would you not get farther if you calmed down and spoke to Graham offlist and present your advise professionally? You might get better results. Gordon NO. HE HAS NOT TAKEN ANYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION. HIS ORDERING FORM IS STILL INCOMPLETE. ONE CANNOT STATE WHAT TYPE OF CURRENCY ONE WANTS TO HAVE TRANSFERRED INTO ONES ALTA ACCOUNT. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: debit card funding delays grrr! Virtual Visa and ATM card
at least he shows some respect and has business communication skills. You SHOUT like you are a 12 your old spoiled brat on an aol forum. Would you not get farther if you calmed down and spoke to Graham offlist and present your advise professionally? You might get better results. Yep... Communication skills and temper/anger control are paramount. Ad hominem attacks, SHOUTing, etc... actually succeed in removing any validity, whatsoever, in your arguments - rather than enhancing them. I was about ready to suggest that Graham was possibly in the wrong - but... I digress, because this post really has nothing to do with filthy lucre. Viking Coder http://www.2cw.org/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Professional DDOS protection
- from ddos.com Thank you for your request. ISecure 100 $18,000 plus 3 annual maintenance fee payments of 20% of list pricing (iSecure 100=$3600/yr). (iSecure100 v.1 immediately available with free upgrade to iSecure100 v.2 January 15th). Subject: [e-gold-list] Professional DDOS protection See here: www.ddos.com Better be running a big site to cover these costs on a single server. This is much cheaper than most though. Gordon www.katzglobal.com Anonymous Hosting® Solutions --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold Funding on the Virtual Visa
Garry, Please let me educate you here. Epassport will not fund Mark's/Tom's debit card by an ecurrency payment. However, I can and will, along with all the other customers/market makers who wish to use their/our/my services. That's what I AM! Proud to be a market maker! Guys: If you want a virtual debit card ATM card, please order it at my site! We can also fund the INGold card, plus the GlobalOne cards. (when the card issuer finally gets around to transferring the funding, that is.) (I'm grumpy today, as I have a full days work ahead, again) :( Now, if all the people we deal with actually do what they say, deliver what they promise, and actually stick to their word, I wouldn't have a PROBLEM in the whole world! Life would be WONDERFUL... occasionally, I do have days like that. But, thank GOD for all my calm, sensitive, smart, intelligent, hard working, on the ball verifying staff! 100% of whom are women. SOME of them actually like working with me as well, which is a definate bonus. Talking of which, I'm on the hunt for more staff. All of which I normally manage to find in my customer database. GK On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:28:55 -0500, Internet Investment Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: go directly to the source: http://www.epasspo Graham, How do we fund the Virtual Visa by the e-gold sale. Tom is looking to sell e-gold now, how does he do it? - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO UK Fax +44 (0) 870 135-0279 'I was not born to be a second-hander' - Ayn Rand --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow has Happy Customers (mostly!)
LOL, My wife thinks I'm stupid, on a regular basis... but most of my staff/customers/suppliers seem to like me. Certainly, the customers vote with their $$$. As always. If only you knew the truth about Steve Renner... and Ragnar is a complete gentleman, and a sharp operator. You would be well advised to make friends with BOTH those guys, but they may find it a tad difficult with your current attitude! Thanks for sharing... and caring! Now, let me go do some WORK! (Why don't you go do likewise?) Otherwise, my loyal customers may go with... STEVE RENNER or Ragnar! Graham results Kelly CEO On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:42:11 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I did business with goldNow and Graham Kelly and I was disgusted. His unprofessionalism only matches the ones of Ragnar from Gold Age and Steve Renner from CashCards. It is a wonder how a guy like him is let to - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO UK Fax +44 (0) 870 135-0279 'I was not born to be a second-hander' - Ayn Rand --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers and 12 happy customers. The rest is only lies.
I did business with goldNow and Graham Kelly and I was disgusted. Then don't re-use his services. His lies are so obvious! His www.goldnow.st page has only about 50 hits daily, check on www.alexa.com ! http://pages.alexa.com/prod_serv/traffic_learn_more.html The Alexa Toolbar turns itself off on secure pages (https:). Sites with more secure page views will be under-represented in the Alexa traffic data. Most of the Goldnow.st site are secure pages. You have no automated system Yes he does. I had the opportunity to see it in action a couple years ago. If you mean hands-off-automated - as in no human-assisted DDU - then no, he doesn't. He wouldn't still be in business if he did - the crooks would run him under. Where did you obtain the 117 vs. 12 figure? Viking Coder http://www.2cw.org/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers and 12 happy customers. The rest is only lies.
My understanding is that alexa only tracks traffic from alexa users with the toolbar installed and that makes it a tool with little use and is heavily underreporting peoples actual traffic. Gordon www.katzglobal.com Anonymous Hosting® Solutions --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: market thrills ..
Somebody get this man laid. He is hallucinating of a life back in 1850 when $300 could have bought him all that... Robert, my madcap friend, it is not so much the volume of gloriously passive monthly money ($300), but the style and ease of having an investment in the e-gold universe Having been a fan of egold for so long the idea of having passive monthly income in egold is orgasmic On your journey of learning what money is, Robert, dont EVER sneer at seemingly low volumes of money. A person with an income of 30 or 40 grand a month would treat an income stream that generates $100 a month with the utmost - the utmost - care and gravity. And they are calling 'me' mad. Shesh. 8% compounding per annum and the guy is in gagaland. Use your keyboard! Hit return! Now type in English where else I can invest egold and get returns I will love you forever! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: USD, GAU, EUR, AUD, etc.
What a day for gold, with wild swings up and down, still ending up though: http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html Like the previous day, a very turnaround signal - maybe a short down leg will start... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
Hello Patrick, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: Interesting. You mentioned USD/AU and USD/NZD, but do you have a bottom line figure on NZD/AU? I mean, how much has the price of gold in NZD dropped over the last two years? Actually, from the data I have, in the same time period I quoted before, it appears the gold rose by just over 2% in terms of NZD... slightly better than the inflation rate of about 1.5% I think the charts you want are at http://gold-price.net Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers and 12 happy customers. The rest is only lies.
I did business with goldNow and Graham Kelly and I was disgusted. His unprofessionalism only matches the ones of Ragnar from Gold Age and Steve Renner from CashCards. It is a wonder how a guy like him is let to advertise on e-gold-list every single day, his bullshits. I just have to say that we did business with Graham Kelly and he always delivered. Sometimes it was a bit later than promised, but this is understandable, because e-currencies have still a lot to go in terms of popularity and volume. We are an exchange provider ourselves, and working with Graham was a MUCH MORE positive experience than working with some large e-services providers, who, it seems have staff who often do not even know what they are selling. I think this bashing of one person needs to stop now, this is not why I signed up to e-gold list. Best Regards, Julie Donska Customer Support Gold-cash.biz: Digital Exchange. The safe way. Web: http://www.gold-cash.biz Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hushmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 271396462 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers and 12 happy customers. The rest is only lies.
His lies are so obvious! His www.goldnow.st page has only about 50 hits daily, check on www.alexa.com ! Perhaps you would like to tell us how in God's name is that relevant to the traffic of a site?! Or perhaps you should first understand how a 'hit' of a web page is and can be counted... or, hell, maybe you know exactly what you're saying?! George Hara --- Xnet scaneaza automat toate mesajele impotriva virusilor folosind RAV AntiVirus. Xnet automatically scans all messages for viruses using RAV AntiVirus. Nota: RAV AntiVirus poate sa nu detecteze toti virusii noi sau toate variantele lor. Va rugam sa luati in considerare ca exista un risc de fiecare data cand deschideti fisiere atasate si ca MobiFon nu este responsabila pentru nici un prejudiciu cauzat de virusi. Disclaimer: RAV AntiVirus may not be able to detect all new viruses and variants. Please be aware that there is a risk involved whenever opening e-mail attachments to your computer and that MobiFon is not responsible for any damages caused by viruses. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers BULLSHIT
You are stupid ! I take e-gold from my customers for my services and I advice them to use goldnow.st to buy egold. I never heard any complaints and money are coming to me very nice YOU ARE A ASS ! I dont know Kelly and he does not know me either I dont have any affiliation with him. You are plain stupid and jealous on nice bussiness --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Sidd wrote: Interesting. You mentioned USD/AU and USD/NZD, but do you have a bottom line figure on NZD/AU? I mean, how much has the price of gold in NZD dropped over the last two years? Actually, from the data I have, in the same time period I quoted before, it appears the gold rose by just over 2% in terms of NZD... slightly better than the inflation rate of about 1.5% But Sidd also said this yesterday: Thus, I have been MUCH better off keeping my money in a NZ bank at an interest rate of 6.5% than I would have been if I had kept it in gold. OK, so I suppose the net advantage you gained by holding NZD rather than gold over that period was about 4.5% (the bank interest rate of 6.5% minus the gold appreciation of 2%). Your net advantage of 4.5% in holding NZD was not due to any relative strength of NZD over gold, but was due entirely to the fact that you were lending your money out and collecting interest on it. I admit there aren't many low-risk opportunities to lend gold -- yet. But I suspect one day we'll see high quality bonds denominated in gold, perhaps paying 4.5% or more. :-) I think the charts you want are at http://gold-price.net Great site, thanks for the reminder! They don't show NZD yet though. -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold price...link to charts
The charts you may be after could be found here... Just change the studies, I use the EMA's 9,18 with 50 as filter in the 5 and 10 minute intervals, along with RSI 14 and MACD 12;26;9. For a broader look at things you may want to adjust time scales for the historic data you are after Sidd. You will need to have JAVA for these charts to work, but they are really worth it. http://www.netdania.com/ChartApplet.asp?symbol=XAUUSDOCOMPx|tenfore regards Jim (f) -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers and 12 happy customers. The rest is only lies.
My understanding is that alexa only tracks traffic from alexa users with the toolbar installed with millions of users it may not be 100% accurate but it is a very useful tool in comparing popularity of sites and traffic fluctuations. you may see that paybygold has a traffic rank of 197,030 and goldnow of 203,075. paybygold has slightly more visitors. and you may see that paybygold managed to be in the top 100,000 several times. in mid october and in mid july. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: customer realities
Garry gave me USD worth of e-gold, and requested an exchange into DMT/Alta credits, which was delivered into his DMT/Alta account, albeit very late. AFTER the deal was concluded, he wanted a cancellation of the order. So, we reversed the entire process, and we returned USD worth of e-gold in full, less the actual DMT/Alta fees. Our discounted fee was also returned. -- That is not correct. We wanted a cancellation of the order because you made another failure. We wanted e-gold to get transferred into our ALTA account but you delivered USD. Very late funding and wrong currency. Graham informed us that he has only USD in his ALTA account. We wanted e-gold. Because we didn't want to wait another three weeks we accepted USD instead of e-gold. Then we realised that it would be expensive for us to send USD funds out of DMT/ALTA. We then asked him to reverse the transaction and he agreed. He made two major mistakes (very late funding and wrong currency). We don't think it is too much to ask for a FULL refund in this case. His initial issue was the late delivery, for which we apologised, and gave a 50% reduction on the GoldNow fee. His secondary issue now is that he is concerned about the loss of approx. $13, between the time he transferred the e-gold to us, and the value of it when returned... -- According to my calculation it was about $20. WE LOST MONEY BECAUSE YOU DELAYED THIS TRANSACTION. I wouldn't say anything if these price fluctuations would have happened within three or four days while you process our order. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: customer realities
On 05/12/2003, at 9:18 AM, Internet Investment Group wrote: Graham: Garry gave me USD worth of e-gold, [...] Garry: We wanted e-gold to get transferred into our ALTA account but you delivered USD. Looks fair... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers and 12 happy customers. The rest is only lies.
On 05/12/2003, at 9:17 AM, Internet Investment Group wrote: My understanding is that alexa only tracks traffic from alexa users with the toolbar installed with millions of users it may not be 100% accurate but it is a very useful tool in comparing popularity of sites and traffic fluctuations. No. Considering that the vast majority of internet users DON'T have it installed, your claims of even partial accuracy are complete bull. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: NZ banks
Mike, What I'm looking for should be obvious: A debit card with low or no currency-conversion fees which I can use anywhere in the world, off a deposit account with a decent rate of interest, in a currency which equals or beats gold. If should also be easy to move funds into and out of the account, and not require an insane amount of bullshit to set up. The issuer should also have an 800 number (preferably 24/7) in order to deal with problems (such as placing a lock on my account in the event of a stolen card). I have been informed that all banks in New Zealand issue debit cards but you need to *front up* to get them. What do you mean by front up? (You mean deposit actual funds? Well, that goes without saying for a debit card.) You can't send funds out of the country online either but you can fax the New Zealand banks International payment orders. If I have a debit-Visa, then that's a moot point. Here's what I want: [1] I deposit account in a bank in a nation with a stable currency (i.e., which equals or beats gold in interest RoR). [2] Issues a debit-Visa card which works flawlessly anywhere Visa is accepted. The issuer's systems would perform conversion on-the-fly with low or no transaction fee (so, for example, if it's NZ account, and I put in twenty bucks US worth of gas into my car in Chicago, not only will the credi-pay pump take the card, but I won't end up looking at a huge surcharge on my statement because I bought something that wasn't NZ-denominated. [3] Movin' me swag back and forth to, say, Ameritrade, should be as painless as wiring to and fro from a US bank. Mike. -- http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: GoldNow has 117 unhappy customers and 12 happy customers. The rest is only lies.
That is just a piece of nonsense. Hits from whatever subset of DGC users are Alexa users, has extremely little correlation to the actual business volume GoldNow is handling. You put up a single information page about e-gold and you may get thousands of hits per day, but may be doing no business at all. For better or for worse, GoldNow is undoubtedly one of, if not the most successful exchange business in the DGC market, whether or not Graham annoys some people with his marketing announcements and constant travel to every nook and cranny of the globe, and a few well publicised errors of judgement. Regards, Ian Green --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: MailVault encrypted emails
For god's sake Graham does your email work pal? Send me an email off list dude !! Guys, For built in PGP encryption and secure emails, go to MailVault.com , and register an account. I use them, and recommend them! Incidentally, be careful of these centralized-email systems, if privacy matters. Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: customer realities
Listen to your comments today Graham Kelly. Garry: CAPS is considered shouting in a list. AFTER the. AT THE TIME... MOST of... ALL aspects... SOME of... with BOTH those... do some WORK! LOL, My wife thinks I'm stupid, And finally. GOD. That's what I AM! /Drew --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: MailVault encrypted emails
Dear JP, For built in PGP encryption and secure emails, go to MailVault.com , and register an account. I use them, and recommend them! Just for what it may be worth, a client of mine in France opened a MailVault account in 1999 on a visit to Costa Rica. Then Laissez Faire City Clerk Jack Freeman aka Chris Eyerman was later found to be reading my client's e-mails and actually replied to one of them. I have been told in the time since that this problem has been fully rectified. Incidentally, be careful of these centralized-email systems, if privacy matters. Agreed. I think secure communications are important, and if secure commo matters to you, you should be using a Mac or Linux computer (desktop or laptop), you should be using a reliable e-mail client such as Eudora, you should be getting your e-mail on your computer, not on a web site, and you should be using PGP in its native form. Various other security protocols like firewalls and virus detectors are important to keep in mind, and decrypting and composing while offline seems prudent. To get PGP, I suggest http://www.pgpi.org/ for the international customers. A personal copy is free to download. You can buy a copy for commercial uses at pgp.com. Nevertheless, many people just won't be bothered with really secure commo. So, they use alternatives like Hushmail: https://www.hushmail.com/login.php?l=424a=1786subloc=signup2 or MailVault. By themselves, these aren't terrible choices, but they are less than optimal for security. Even so, in the best of circumstances, anyone who is sending e-mail, even encrypted e-mail, about a topic he wants nobody else to know or wherein he communicates something that would get him into immense trouble (treason, theft, murder, etc.), he should not be sending any e-mail at all. It is foolish to suppose that whatever security measures you've taken are good enough for that kind of stuff. Put another way, as I think Ben Franklin first wrote, three can keep a secret, but only if two are dead. Regards, Jim --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: MailVault encrypted emails
Dear Jim, Dear JP, For built in PGP encryption and secure emails, go to MailVault.com , and register an account. I use them, and recommend them! Just for what it may be worth, a client of mine in France opened a MailVault account in 1999 on a visit to Costa Rica. Then Laissez Faire City Clerk Jack Freeman aka Chris Eyerman was later found to be reading my client's e-mails and actually replied to one of them. An excellent and typical illustrative story...thanks. I have been told in the time since that this problem has been fully rectified. Oh, thank goodness! We're all safe then! :-) In short: the centralized secure mail concept is just not a good idea. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: My INTGold / INGold Debit Card
Hi Nits, Thank you for your suggestion about GOLDNOW - I know they are respectable exchanger. ARE YOU SURE THAT THE CARD IS ACTIVATED ? I recieved my card with in 12 days of ordering and preloaded with $11 in it. I got a preactivated card . I don't know was it preactivated or not. I activated it by web and by phone system. The initial balance was -0.00 Hmmm. just try calling their Customer Support number that came with your CARD . They do not answer any emails hope they answer the phone calls . I will try to call them. Many thanks for your help, Andrei --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not arguing backed vs. fiat, or base system denominations, but inter-currency transaction roll-backs. When a transaction is made across non-equivalent currencies, is there an *ethical* means of determining what amount should be refunded? I don't think it's so clear. How is this situation usually handled (fiat - fiat transactions)? Is the merchant/payee's currency used as the basis for refund, or the customer/payer's currency used? I might be mistaken, but I believe no refunds is the normal policy - at least with most cash exchanges. If I were to give 500 USD to a cash exchange provider in Amsterdam in exchange for Euros, I wouldn't expect to be able to go back later and get my USD back. I would have to make another exchange from Euros to USD. It seems the scenario closest to Graham's situation would be if I push my 500 USD across the counter and the person on the other side picks it up and at that point (before I've received the Euros) I say, wait I changed my mind! In that case I'm guessing the person would hand the money back, and say make up your mind. This suggests to me that Graham should have returned the currency given to him (e-gold) in the amount he received (which is measured in weight), less fees extracted by the e-gold system. OR he should have said, sorry, no refunds. OR he should do exactly what he said (on his website) he'd do. It does seem a bit unfair that a customer can cancel an order because the price of dollars in terms of gold went down. If I send you 100 aug and expect 1000 USD for example, it seems a bit cheap and smarmy to cancel the order and redo it because the price of 1000 dollars went down to only 90 aug. Wayne _ Need an experienced programmer who knows both the Unix and Microsoft worlds? Then you need to hire Wayne: http://hirewayne.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
the order was reversed because goldLATER sent us usd instead of e-gold. we are faced with a loss in gold because goldLATER delayed our order. we had to wait approximately THREE WEEKS! graham kelly delayed it and should pay the price for this delay. in fact he has not to pay any price for this delay...simple return what you get from us. we gave you gold and expect to get back the same weight of gold. that's all. but i have no hope. this marketing guy has no ethics. you may have a look at the osgold case. he promoted osgold heavily at a time he already knew that it is a scam to get his inventory of osgold funds sold. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Some reasons why you should do MUCH business with Graham Kelly/GoldNOW!
From: Graham Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] This person wants me to refund the difference in the cost of the e-gold when he delivered it to us, after he cancelled his order, and we refunded him. We cancelled the order because you sent us USD instead of e-gold into our ALTA account. Apparantly, the value of gold reduced by some $13 odd! (Incidently, we would have refunded his e-gold for EXACTLY the same amount had the ecurrency value increased... he could have made $ on the refund!) I am not so sure about that. His policy says that in the event the market is against GoldLATER/Graham Kelly he could change this so that it is in his favour. We faced a loss in gold because you delayed that oder by about THREE WEEKS!...and you think thats alright that we should cover this loss as a result of your inabilities to process our order. Beware of GoldLATER/Graham Kelly. This marketing guy hyped that he could do DMT/ALTA exchanges but had obviously no funds in his ALTA account at the time of ordering ant at least two weeks after our oder. After we publicly complained he realised that he cannot fool us. Other people of the e-gold mailing list had to help this wannabe big exchanger to get funds into his ALTA account. But then he gave us USD and we wanted e-gold. Great Service: Wait several weeks and get the wrong currency. We have 30,000+ happy customers, who KNOW this. If those customers would be faced with price fluctuations which could happen within THREE WEEKS they wouldn't be happy. Also, GoldNow is not a gold futures dealer... yet! Why a futures dealer? We gave you (e-)gold and we want back (e-)gold. What has this to do with futures? Garry, Please keep those *reasons* coming... you will not be amused. guarranted. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: debit card funding delays grrr!
From: Graham Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a result, GoldNow will be able to create a VIRTUAL Visa card for y'all literally within *seconds*, as well as fund it immediately!! (Well, maybe not ALL 32,000+ GoldNow stomers, within seconds!) The card will also have a CVV2 number. This is to be used for online internet purchases only. You can also order an attached ATM card, which attaches to the SAME account. Card to card transfers are their specialty. We will be selling this package, an ATM card, plus a Visa virtual debit card. THIS IS ANOTHER HYPE. YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY THESE CARDS FROM GOLDLATER/MARKETINGGUY. IF YOU ARE INTERSTED I COULD TELL YOU WHERE (URL) YOU COULD BUY THESE CARDS DIRECTLY WITHOUT PAYING A HEAVTY FEE TO GOLDLATER/MARKETINGGUY. SHOULD I POST IT TO THE LIST? Stay tuned for further announcements... I'm excited, AGAIN! Graham Kelly CEO YES, I'M EXCITED TO ENLIGHTEN THE E-GOLD LIST, AGAIN! -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Some reasons why you should do MUCHbusiness with Graham Kelly/GoldNOW!
I'm not sure in the case of DMT since I'm not that familiar with it. If it was for a certain amount of -gold- in the DMT system, then the amt. of gold should be returned. yes it was for a certain amount of (e-)gold in the DMT system...but goldLATER only had USD in their ALTA account. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
The ethical way to deal with a situation like this is to return the exact amount of gold by weight to the customer, not the USD value. Sidd. Why is that the case when the transaction was done in USD, and the site/emails contain notices stating such an eventuality? A transaction should be unraveled in the same manner that it was entered. LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT GOLDLATERS TOS: 2. The ecurrency transfer will occur within 72 hours of receipt of ecurrency. WE HAD TO WAIT APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS. GRAHAM KELLY BROKE HIS OWN TOS!!! 10. In the event of any changes with the spot price of gold/dollar value, we reserve the right to change our delivery structure between the current dollar volume and purchased gold volume (grams) amount. NICE PROVISION. CUSTOMERS ALWAYS LOOSE. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: debit card funding delays grrr! Virtual Visa and ATM card
I'M EXCITED TO INFORM YOU THAT I ALREADY RECEIVED AN ENQUIRY OF A COMPETITOR OF GRAHAM KELLY: :-) COMPETITION IS GOOD AND BRINGS DOWN PROFITS. THIS IS ANOTHER HYPE. YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY THESE CARDS FROM GOLDLATER/MARKETINGGUY. IF YOU ARE INTERSTED I COULD TELL YOU WHERE (URL) YOU COULD BUY THESE CARDS DIRECTLY WITHOUT PAYING A HEAVTY FEE TO GOLDLATER/MARKETINGGUY. SHOULD I POST IT TO THE LIST? Stay tuned for further announcements... I'm excited, AGAIN! Graham Kelly CEO YES, I'M EXCITED TO ENLIGHTEN THE E-GOLD LIST, AGAIN! -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: debit card funding delays grrr! Virtual Visa and ATM card
At 11:18 AM -0500 12/3/03, Internet Investment Group LLC wrote: I'M EXCITED TO INFORM YOU THAT I ALREADY RECEIVED AN ENQUIRY OF A COMPETITOR OF GRAHAM KELLY: :-) I'm sure that everyone on the list here is excited that you've informed them personally of that exciting development. COMPETITION IS GOOD AND BRINGS DOWN PROFITS. CAPS ARE BAD. YES, I'M EXCITED TO ENLIGHTEN THE E-GOLD LIST, AGAIN! I'm sure everyone is waiting with baited breath. If you don't like the services or service that Graham Kelly offers, and clearly you don't, then simply don't use them in the future. I think you've made the point about your dissatisfaction many times over. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: debit card funding delays grrr! Virtual Visa and ATM card
If you don't like the services or service that Graham Kelly offers, and clearly you don't, then simply don't use them in the future. I think you've made the point about your dissatisfaction many times over. still waiting for the gold -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Garry, Thank you for the opportunity to respond to this... again! You are correct, we were delayed 3 weeks, as we had issues accessing the DMT system. As I recall, so did YOU! As well, one of our suppliers of ecurrency who promised us fast delivery of DMT let us down (very unusual, and now fixed). It's fairly common knowledge that I do make the occassional mistake, just ask my wife! :) I admit I was tardy in the transaction. I admit I stuffed up. Quite rightly you cancelled the order, as anyone would have, myself included. The funds were returned, in full, less the DMT transfer fees. I just have one concern... why did you cancel AFTER the order was completed? Now, let's move on, don't you think? OSGold is dead and buried, I lost a lot of $$$ with my involvement with them, and most valuable lessons learnt. As my good friend from Ft Worth would say, That old dog don't hunt no more! Incidently, how much did YOU personally lose with OSGold? HOWEVER, in any case, I'm prepared to offer you a free virtual Visa debit card. I can issue you this in about 60 seconds, or less. Funding of it can take a tad longer, perhaps less than 5 minutes. Please email me back your name, address, phone, email, and either your SSN, drivers licence number, or passport number. You use this card for internet purchases only, and there is full online access. It also comes with a CVV2 number. Card to Card transfers are easy. Garry, This is my one and only offer to you. Take it, or leave it. To all my customers: we will be selling a combination Virtual Visa Card, as well as an ATM card, same account. There will be a link available on my site within a few days. NEW customers will be able to simply tick a box when placing their order. I'm EXCITED again! Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:53 -0500, Internet Investment Group LLC Internet Investment Group LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: the order was reversed because GoldNow sent us usd instead of e-gold. we are faced with a loss in gold because GoldNow delayed our order. we had to wait approximately THREE WEEKS! graham kelly delayed it and should pay the price for this delay. in fact he has not to pay any price for this delay...simple return what you get from us. we gave you gold and expect to get back the same weight of gold. that's all. but i have no hope. this marketing guy has no ethics. you may have a look at the osgold case. he promoted osgold heavily at a time he already knew that it is a scam to get his inventory of osgold funds sold. - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO UK Fax +44 (0) 870 135-0279 'I was not born to be a second-hander' - Ayn Rand --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: equivalent currency exchange
One question though - was the exchange order in terms of USD or grams of gold? It is technically correct that e-gold does the transactional work on a grams basis. However, what was the spend, and exchange request, recorded as - 580 USD worth of or x grams of? 580 USD worth of e-gold -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fairy Wings Auctions Accepting E-gold -- Great Holiday Gift
Dear Daniel, Fire Fairy Wings http://www.goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=315 Well, that's a new one. Tell anyone else you know who would be interested in buying these items with e-gold. I'm not doing this entirely for my own financial gain. I must say that the GoldBarter.com auction site exists entirely for financial gain. It is not only okay, but preferred that people place items for auction there for the purpose of financial gain. I would probably save money by not accepting e-gold or giving these kinds of discounts, but I'm doing this to encourage alternatives to government-issued currency. E-gold offers a pretty compelling argument, on their web site, that e-gold is better for merchants than credit cards. Jim Ray? What's that link again? Also, I think e-gold is much better than the typical eBay alternative, PayPal which sucks so badly people make web sites about how badly it sucks. I seem to recall http://www.paypalwarning.com/ among others. PayPal has been very bad for several merchants I know. Regards, Jim http://goldbarter.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fairy Wings Auctions Accepting E-gold -- Great Holiday Gift
E-gold offers a pretty compelling argument, on their web site, that e-gold is better for merchants than credit cards. Jim Ray? What's that link again? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- e-gold Credit Card Comparison Calculator can be found using the search feature on the e-gold home page for Credit Card - top result. if you are living dangerously and clicking links in email messages, then: http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/cc.asp it can be fun to plug in various scenarios and see what pops out. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQEVAwUBP85J1MyM0YPqVE7FAQGcvggAlNmsKHSU4Va7me0CWhq0aoovInRzb94Y Lolk8XblYUMl291q6+/r7DDz//8Eoq/vHU8ZG7XkuzcwUqadoC+ZdazVm1lsSuX8 Ycan8MLuJG0P8HY6Z0qCGmQS/IeEYec/AVhkRCC5rRFdmzBtQ2zztYg99rcs4dl4 PjISWQkA+83dHb4QCOwe0k+WTf+gr6FgD4YDrMLHpTlVS4MF7ao9izePJJGBygB0 55nR3G3hQsfTtH32GSO89zOeV/5T70QmC6EGt1goaluxWx1zEc2ZDqOu9zsZHggk JbJJ5KwH7QaYnIEMxa93GkNrX54PJXITZi+T6gzxk/tqg6qee5Cn2g== =4URR -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold scheduled downtime notification bonus info
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * largest total USD equivalent amount spent in one day: USD 11,763,781 What day was that? - John --- http://cambist.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fraudster apprehended!
Outstanding ... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: SS Republic wreck is FOUND!!!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it's in INTERNATIONAL waters, so finders-keepers is still possible! WooHoo! Forgive my naivette, but wouldn't the proceeds belong to the insurance firm which covered the original wreck? = -- David Beroff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Founder/CEO, note.com LLC P.O. Box 234, Jenkintown, PA 19046-0234 (USA) http://LeadFactory.com Voice: +1 (215) 576-6800 Personal journal: http://David.Beroff.com I made $10,000 the first day I started reading this book! You can have it for free: http://note.com/success/rich.pl --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: calling all exchange providers
Sure, www.cyfrocash.com does exactly that. But the fees are steep. Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberfrontier.net start a profitable online business http://www.cyberfrontier.biz --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: cranking! Also, I need some help from 4 volunteers
why pay a middleman when you can have it directly from the source. :-) please go to http://www.epassporte.com instead of goldLATER. graham, you thought you could make fast bucks by introducing your cards fast (before i expose it) ...but again you are to loo lategoldLATE.st From: Graham Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] cranking! Also, I need some help from 4 volunteers Send an email detailing your name, address, phone, email address, and SSN, passport number, or drivers licence number, and e-gold transaction number for $5. It would help if you are a GoldNow customer. My e-gold #103346, GoldNow, then send the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], SUBJECT Virtual Visa request. Let's see how fast you'll get your card details. I'm told it's literally minutes. In fact, that's what I want to test for. as far as i know epassporte does not require SSN, passport number or drivers licence number. buy the original: http://www.epassporte.com ;-) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: SS Republic wreck is FOUND!!!
At 2:40 PM -0800 12/3/03, David Beroff wrote: ... Forgive my naivette, but wouldn't the proceeds belong to the insurance firm which covered the original wreck? ... Well, there are a variety of legal doctrines which apply to abandoned property, and the law would probably want to _encourage_ undersea exploration too, but IANAL so I don't really know. Maybe they could pay the insurance company $400,000 and tell them to talk to Uncle Sam if they want to redeem it for metal coins! :) Anyone? JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
Also, what is your opinion of the top 3 hard gold assets to own for investment purposes? (I am speaking of the ones that are readily sellable in a high priced market.) Well I think owning IG gold (goldmoney, e-gold or whatever) is probably your best bet Gordon. You can always sell e-gold at or very near spot, within a day. If you own stupid one ounce gold coins or the like, you will pay 5% or 10% or worse premium when you sell or buy them, at your local bullion shoppe. If you deal in large amounts of money, and you can have your own real gold bars - so called 400 oz bars, about $130,000 each, then sure, just buy those and keep 'em in London or Geneva, just like GoldMoney does. thanks Gordon www.katzglobal.com Anonymous Hosting® Solutions --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: market thrills ..
Fourthly -- the sensation of being paid .62 grams, forty times, at Noon on the first of the month is something like this: imagine waking up in the morning, but you aren't tired or hungry and have no cobwebs in your eyes, you sit up in zero gravity and find you are sitting naked in the sunshine on a bed of daffodils in the midst of endless perfect green fields while seven virgin maidens pour cream and strawberries over your body from oak buckets as a flawless string quartet tunes up in the distance and two English butlers serve you vintage bubbly, caviar and blinis - that is in fact, exactly the sensation you get when 25 odd grams of gold is shoved at you for no other reason than its the 1st of the month; except its much better. Somebody get this man laid. He is hallucinating of a life back in 1850 when $300 could have bought him all that... And they are calling 'me' mad. Shesh. 8% compounding per annum and the guy is in gagaland. I still think the whole thing is a great idea, why else would we have invested, but having LSD-like wet dreams over a return that is in no relation to the risks involved is too much madness, even for me... Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net e-commerce e-business services http://www.cyfrocash.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fraudster apprehended!
Good Job !!! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: market thrills
Robert, Talking about market thrills, dontcha just love it when a disgruntled (ex, I hope!) customer forces your marketing plan just a tad forward? Ah well, that's life! Nothing harmed, just a bit of excitement, is all! Just a bit unexpected!! Orders continue to pour in! :) Have you sorted out the DDoS problem? Thanks for that link to grc.com ... I purchased Spinrite and it fixed all my hard drive problems! Also, they educated me as to how the DDoS deal works. Very nasty... GK On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:03:59 -0500, Robert B.Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: other reason than its the 1st of the month; except its much better. Somebody get this man laid. He is hallucinating of a life back in 1850 when $300 could have bought him all that... And they are calling 'me' mad. Shesh. 8% compounding per annum and the guy is in gagaland. I still think the whole thing is a great idea, why else would we have invested, but having LSD-like wet dreams over a return that is in no relation to the risks involved is too much madness, even for me... Cheers, Robert. - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO UK Fax +44 (0) 870 135-0279 'I was not born to be a second-hander' - Ayn Rand --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Will the gold price go up?
Hi, Current gold price is $404.xx The highest price I see since I play with e-gold. Do you think the price will go up? Yes, sure the prices will go up. I personally expect it to exceed $1000 within a few years. Please see the following article. http://www.kitco.com/ind/GoldReport/nov192003.html Best regards, Ahmed --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: calling all exchange providers
--- Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are any there exchange providers willing to accept regular and/or occassional direct deposits (affiliate program checks) for exchange to e-gold? We're not a provider (yet) but I guess we could do it, assuming that the affiliate program was reasonably known. We actually go one step better: One of my sidelines is physically issuing the affiliate checks themselves; we're sending out around 600-700 checks each month. Anyone who wants their payment in e-gold, PayPal, etc., can do so. Only perhaps 1% of the people do this, but those few are very happy that we can do this. One nut I haven't yet cracked is how exactly one would go about marketing this particular activity; any ideas? = -- David Beroff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Founder/CEO, note.com LLC P.O. Box 234, Jenkintown, PA 19046-0234 (USA) http://LeadFactory.com Voice: +1 (215) 576-6800 Personal journal: http://David.Beroff.com I made $10,000 the first day I started reading this book! You can have it for free: http://note.com/success/rich.pl --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
Hi, I would have to agree... I did call around today and the local rates on american Eagles are $31.35 over spot and to sell they are paying $4 under spot. Canadian Maples are going for $28.75 over spot. One would need a fairly large upswing to overcome that so i don't yet see how holding hard gold assets is better except for long term saving for non investors. What I am wondering now are two things: What is going to happen to the real estate market in the US over the next 1-2 years and how e-gold could be used to fund real estate assets on the upswing while they dip. Regarding silver: I think from what i understand about the market now that holding e-silver may be a better bet in the short term even with gold going up to $500+ What are your thoughts about the current market value of silver as opposed to gold? And will silver close the gap faster than gold's upswing? Gordon www.katzglobal.com Anonymous Hosting® Solutions Quote -- Well I think owning IG gold (goldmoney, e-gold or whatever) is probably your best bet Gordon. You can always sell e-gold at or very near spot, within a day. If you own stupid one ounce gold coins or the like, you will pay 5% or 10% or worse premium when you sell or buy them, at your local bullion shoppe. If you deal in large amounts of money, and you can have your own real gold bars - so called 400 oz bars, about $130,000 each, then sure, just buy those and keep 'em in London or Geneva, just like GoldMoney does. -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
Here's an interesting observation: In the last 2 years, most people have been excited about the rise in the gold price. On this day in 2001 the gold price was $275/ounce http://kitco.com/scripts/hist_charts/daily_graphs.cgi Today the gold price is $403/ounce. http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html This shows an increase of 46.5% over the 2001 price. To put this into perspective though, consider the devastation of the USD. My interest is in New Zealand, where I reside for much of the time. The USD/NZD exchange rate on this day 2001 was 2.41663 http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic Today the USD/NZD exchange rate is 1.54696 This shows an increase of 56% over the 2001 price. Thus, I have been MUCH better off keeping my money in a NZ bank at an interest rate of 6.5% than I would have been if I had kept it in gold. You Americans must be really pissed at how your currency is being destroyed! Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: CASHCARDS
Subject: CASHCARDS: noone cares that they ran with the money? From: Patrick Verbeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patrick, I cannot find you as being one of our Members Who are you and what is your complaint ? I have sent you emails to offer assistance, but you do not respond. If you have a legitimate complaint, let us know and we can resolve it for you. Voicing your complaints on the e-gold is great, but it does not solve your personal support issued. Please contact us directly, and we can assist you. Yours in Success, Steve Renner, Managing Director Cash Cards International, LLC US Support Offices: 250 Second Ave S Suite # 145 Minneapolis, MN 55401 PH: (612) 332-6025 FX: (612) 332-6032 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: My INTGold / INGold Debit Card
Hi Andrei, I have recently purchased intgold debit card and have used it a couple of times . I have read the Card announcement at INTGold site: https://intgold.com/m/debit.cgi/1. Then I asked INTGold about the terms and conditions and so on - NO RESPONSE. I also had similar problems while contacting intgold support (email) it appears that they do not respond to email queries :( The Card arrived within two weeks via Global priority mail (internationally) together with Cardholder Agreement and instruction. The card arrived with $0.00 balance not $10.00 as it was announced before purchasing. ARE YOU SURE THAT THE CARD IS ACTIVATED ? I recieved my card with in 12 days of ordering and preloaded with $11 in it. I got a preactivated card . Unfortunately the loading fee is 2% by e-gold not 1.5% as it was announced before purchasing. Then I loaded the card by e-gold. The real fee was 2% + $1.5. It took around 1.5 days. For Loading the card i used GOLDNOW.st I recently requested for a funding on Sunday Still waiting for it :) It takes 3-4 days to fund the card (min.) . But the best part is no loading fees is charged by goldnow the only fees you have to pay is $1.5 flat which is the fees for card to card transfer . Also Graham Kelly the owner of goldnow is an active member of this list . I have tried to withdraw funds: CAN NOT PROCESS TRANSACTION (834). Then I tried at another ATM network - the same result. I mailed to admin and send them image of the ATM receipt - NO RESPONSE. Hmmm. just try calling their Customer Support number that came with your CARD . They do not answer any emails hope they answer the phone calls . ;) Hope this helps . elogik. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Some reasons why you should do MUCH business with Graham Kelly/GoldNOW!
Graham Kelly wrote: This person wants me to refund the difference in the cost of the e-gold when he delivered it to us, after he cancelled his order, and we refunded him. He gave us $580 USD worth of e-gold, which was returned in *full*, less the DMT transfer fees, plus an apology for the delay. Apparantly, the value of gold reduced by some $13 odd! (Incidently, we would have refunded his e-gold for EXACTLY the same amount had the ecurrency value increased... he could have made $ on the refund!) The ethical way to deal with a situation like this is to return the exact amount of gold by weight to the customer, not the USD value. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: default to USD/weight?
Graham Kelly wrote: I wouldn't normally disagree. However, the GoldNow terms of trade specifically advises that we default to the USD value. Besides, that not an ethical error, just a trading reality. No, you are incorrect, it is a matter of ethics. If someone gives you something and you wish to return it, you must return exactly what they gave you, not some arbitrary non-equivalent valuation of it. You were paid a certain weight of gold... all e-gold payments are settled in weight of gold, as clearly stated on the e-gold web site. The exchange rates are merely for convenience. In order to ethically return an e-gold payment, it is necessary to return the weight of gold. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: SS Republic wreck is FOUND!!!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/12/1201_031201_republic.html or http://makeashorterlink.com/?F278153B6 with $400,000 - oops, I mean $180 MILLION (now!) worth of gold! And it's in INTERNATIONAL waters, so finders-keepers is still possible! WooHoo! Hopefully good video soon of the loot. JMR To date, more than 750 gold coins have been recovered. Some 60 percent of them are Coronet Head 20 Dollar Double Eagles and the balance are Coronet Head 10 Dollar Eagles. ... holy shit --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Viking, Viking Coder wrote: Why is that the case when the transaction was done in USD, and the site/emails contain notices stating such an eventuality? Please read my previous message explaining the situation. If the reverse had happened, and the exact weight was returned, the client would be raising hell that $580 was spent, but only ~$567 (minus fees) was refunded. It would be easy to explain the logic of the refund if it was done correctly as I explained. A transaction should be unraveled in the same manner that it was entered. No, that is not correct... see my other message. Or do you mean ... The ethical way is to always take the short end of the stick, regardless of circumstances Which is an extreme version of The customer is always right No, I don't mean that, I mean there is only one correct solution, no matter which way the USD value of gold moves. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Please read my previous message explaining the situation. That message was posted while I composing mine. It would be easy to explain the logic of the refund if it was done correctly as I explained. Yes, but is it a matter of ethics, or of business practices/methods? I'm not arguing backed vs. fiat, or base system denominations, but inter-currency transaction roll-backs. When a transaction is made across non-equivalent currencies, is there an *ethical* means of determining what amount should be refunded? How is this situation usually handled (fiat - fiat transactions)? Is the merchant/payee's currency used as the basis for refund, or the customer/payer's currency used? Viking Coder http://www.2cw.org/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Viking Coder wrote: Yes, but is it a matter of ethics, or of business practices/methods? When a transaction is made across non-equivalent currencies, is there an *ethical* means of determining what amount should be refunded? There was no transaction across non-equivalent currencies, gold was paid, and gold should be returned. If the customer had paid Graham 500 USD, Graham would be correct to return USD, but that was not the case, Graham was paid a weight of gold. It is impossible to Spend USD with e-gold, and this is clearly stated on the e-gold site. Quote e-gold Account User Agreement: 1.12. Spend means the act of transferring value between e-gold accounts in fulfillment of a payment order entered by User. Spends are accounted by weight and convey title to that precise fine weight of metal. Spends may not exceed Available Balance. How is this situation usually handled (fiat - fiat transactions)? Is the merchant/payee's currency used as the basis for refund, or the customer/payer's currency used? This is not the issue under discussion, no exchange between different currencies had taken place. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Some reasons why you should do MUCH business with Graham Kelly/GoldNOW!
From: Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graham Kelly wrote: This person wants me to refund the difference in the cost of the e-gold when he delivered it to us, after he cancelled his order, and we refunded him. He gave us $580 USD worth of e-gold, which was returned in *full*, less the DMT transfer fees, plus an apology for the delay. Apparantly, the value of gold reduced by some $13 odd! (Incidently, we would have refunded his e-gold for EXACTLY the same amount had the ecurrency value increased... he could have made $ on the refund!) The ethical way to deal with a situation like this is to return the exact amount of gold by weight to the customer, not the USD value. It depends. If someone sells their gold for a certain amount of USD, say for a wire or check, and he later wants a refund, I think it is proper to deal in USD. The gold was sold at the time of the order and you are now dealing with dollars. If the order had been completed, that is the amount of dollars he would have gotten. You wouldn't want customers canceling because the price of gold went up and they wish they would have sold later. I'm not sure in the case of DMT since I'm not that familiar with it. If it was for a certain amount of -gold- in the DMT system, then the amt. of gold should be returned. - John Kyle --- http://cambist.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Some reasons why you should do MUCH business with Graham Kelly/GoldNOW!
It depends. If someone sells their gold for a certain amount of USD, say for a wire or check, and he later wants a refund, I think it is proper to deal in USD. The gold was sold at the time of the order and you are now dealing with dollars. Nuh. Note that you say John The gold was sold at the time of the order if it was sold the order is completed and that's the end of it. It's now a USD amount. You have some USD that is theirs. Send them USD. (If instead of USD - at this later time - for some reason - you decided to send them wheat, gold, cars or paperbacks, that is a different separate negotiation to have.) If for some reason the deal - the sale - is being broken, is not proceeding, there is NO sale, you would - of course - as Sidd points out - give back whatever it was they gave you. If they gave you cheese, give them back cheese. In this case they gave you gold, give them back gold. There is no other possible viewpoint. That is the only conceivable meaning of cancelling the sale. I dunno why you bother getting into these arguments Sidd :) By all means, two parties could enter in to a contract where in the case of a dispute or a broken deal some other sort of thinking would prevail. Graham may have some sort of arrangement like this on his web site. If the order had been completed, that is the amount of dollars he would have gotten. You wouldn't want customers canceling because the price of gold went up and they wish they would have sold later. Graham says in the example the customer cancelled, and your example John is about a customer cancelling. You can't let customers cancel a sell order of e-gold for obvious reasons, ie you will have no business. If the price of gold has skyrocketed in the interim, the MM would be nuts to let the customer magically cancel. If the price of gold has plummeted in the interim, the MM would not want to do some sort of price based return --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Dear JP, (ONE) say the system is 1/3 each of egold, pecunix, and goldmoney. Say pecunix totally evaporates. What would happen is that each user loses one third of their conglomerated-gold. (Sucks, but better than losing it all.) Wouldn't it be clever to insure against such a disaster? Then the currency fails but your insurance policy kicks in and the gold is replaced. I would think a policy on the loss of any one of these would not carry too high a premium. Getting the insurer to agree to pay off in gold - write the contract in gold rather than dollars or euros - would seem a major challenge. (THREE) more of a sort of meta exchange system. This approach would have the advantage of letting the market inform you about which currency should have more of your bars of gold. If people preferentially bail in, say, e-gold and bail out, say, Pecunix, then you'll need to move bars from e-gold to Pecunix to keep up. (I think Robert you have Gone Mad here News? grin Regards, Jim --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Will December make or break the Internet?
At 12:03 PM 11/28/2003, Michael Moore wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34163.html I don't believe either ICANN or the ITU should run the Internet. The goal should be to make centralized management irrelevant. Although some sort of centralized IP control is required, OR the moment, this is not the case for the DNS. All DNS resolution control eventually rests within each network node's IP stack. What we need is a virus to 'infect' all Windows PCs so that alternative root servers are acquired and the all but the last in the list are not marked as authoritative. This allows searching for resolution through a number of roots. Although I'm generally against viral 'marketing' in this case I think it may be the only way because almost no Netizens understand the way DNS works and few would be willing to download and install any patch SW. steve --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: 'financial architecture' for DGCs
Perhaps some existing exchange providers will offer more and more advanced services for merchants and consumers, via accounts of their own for their customers, from which they end up as the banks of the DGC world, offering a range of financial services, including own brand/related brand debit cards, interest bearing savings accounts, and multi-currency savings accounts and merchant account services. http://www.e-fidex.com is an example of a company already heading this route, offering a continually expanding range of financial services tied in some manner to the use of an e-gold acccount: debit cards and other bank products, trusts and corporations, merchant account compatibility, etc. There may well be others of which I am unaware. Frank --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Another reason to use Mozilla
James M. Ray wrote: Today's my birthday, but I don't want anything for Jim Ray, except: http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/donate.html please give e-metal to Mozilla if you like their browser, and if you have not tried Mozilla, you're missing something very good. You will thank me (just for tabbed browsing) if you try it. JMR Happy Birthday JRM! You Paid: Mozilla, Account# 1022293 USD 5.00' worth of Gold (0.012553 oz or 0.390453 grams) Memo: Donation to Mozilla project Transaction Posted! e-gold Payment batch #: 28774115 pipo --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Stupid question
How do you make a link people can click to automatically take you to e-gold's shopping cart for them to pay you a preset amount? http://698942-USD20.00-Gold.e-gold.com just replace the account number and the price you need. Gordon www.katzglobal.com Anonymous Hosting(tm) Solutions --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Stupid question
How do you make a link people can click to automatically take you to e-gold's shopping cart for them to pay you a preset amount? http://698942-USD20.00-Gold.e-gold.com just replace the account number and the price you need. Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon. It should always be 241164 Don't forget Ragnar, http://241164-USD20.00-Gold.e-gold.com and put in the relevant dollar amount!!! :) Gordon --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Stupid question
why use that #? Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon. It should always be 241164 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Stupid question
I was just kidding dude -- that is the first ever custom e-gold number - MY number! :) why use that #? Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon. It should always be 241164 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Stupid question
I was thinking that at first then I started doubting myself. better to check... Gordon --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Sorry, your message was not sent out to 'e-gold-list'. Your message quotes too many continuous lines of a previous message. You quoted 16 lines, and this mailing list is set to reject messages which quote more than 15 continuous lines of a previous message. Please resubmit your message, this time quoting fewer lines of the previous message. --- the enigmatic Viking Koder says ... There have been discussions about a whole range of new currency possibilities. What if the working model of 1mdc is taken and expanded upon? Instead of a currency overlayed on a specific GBC, what would be the pros/cons of a currency redeemable (backed is too vague of a term) for any of a basket of GBCs? Exactly right, VC. Often at 1mdc people say well, 1mdc is based on e-gold, but no fees - could you also make one that is based on goldmoney, but no fees? So that would be fair enough, you could have a 1mdc based on egold, goldmoney, pecunix or whatever. But then people have said well why not base it on all of them - like you say above. There are a couple of different approaches to this, dealing with what to do around the margins when an underlying IG system fails. (ONE) say the system is 1/3 each of egold, pecunix, and goldmoney. Say pecunix totally evaporates. What would happen is that each user loses one third of their conglomerated-gold. (Sucks, but better than losing it all.) (TWO) the system has total flexibility of redemption *entirely based on the operator's personl preferences* at any time. Thus, I could say at any moment tough tittie - we no longer hand out egold This has the Hoppeian advantage of anything being personally run runs better, ie, the operator would be right on top of things, and use inside info to weed out shitty IG systems before they become a problem (THREE) more of a sort of meta exchange system. The operator would keep stocks of all three IGs on hand. If a user wanted any particular one, they could have it. It would be up to the operator to balance stocks of all three (perhaps moving bars etc). All this would, of course, have a cost to the operator. But then evertything has a cost. It costs egold money to store bars and bail and unbail bars. People would whine that it can't magically be free, but just the usual spend fees etc would be income and the other would be a cost. So that is three variations of this theme. (I think Robert you have Gone Mad here and you have gone off on a different sort of tack in this dicussion - youa re talking about more of a gold banking system, I think.) (Nothing wrong with that, I think, it just has nothing to do with what Engimatic Viking Koder mentioned.) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Dear JP, Often at 1mdc people say well, 1mdc is based on e-gold, but no fees - could you also make one that is based on goldmoney, but no fees? So that would be fair enough, you could have a 1mdc based on egold, goldmoney, pecunix or whatever. Goldmoney will not permit such a currency because they couldn't verify the owners of the gold grams. Which is the reason why you can't redeem Gold-Price grams for goldmoney but you can redeem them for other trusted gold currencies including e-gold, Pecunix and 1mdc grams (or even gold nuggets). Here is an interesting post from one of our members who describes what they did with the Gold-Price grams they redeemed for e-gold recently in our our TheGoldCasino.com/Dbourse.com forum: So how's everyone doing? They have these news articles about great odds and I'm seeing that firsthand lol. I'm up about 30 grams in 24 hours and for not usually betting very much and starting with the .3 grams I won here for predicting the price of gold... wow! Anyone else here experience almost unreal luck? Source: https://www.gold-price.net/viewtopic.php?t=804 Regards, Joel Bruce https://www.gold-price.net Stimulating the gold economy with over 5000 micro spends since December 2002 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
I remember me suggesting almost this same idea about a year and a half ago... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg09415.html Check out the archives.. it might help the current discussion. Khurram Khan --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Sidd, Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix... Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c What about the transaction fees on the deposit at pecinux? I think you have misunderstood Viking completely... Hence there has to be actual proof of the gold holdings for each currency, That is what Viking proposed. Actually I was trying to take his idea a bit further, when I suggested that he was in effect proposing to set up a reserve bank of sorts. After that I went on to show the weaknesses of both systems, first the one he proposed and the the one I suggested he would need to use to make it workable. The simple proposal was that there would always be a 1:1 ratio of gold to comgold, but a user would need to take pot luck when redeeming... In other words, if you wish to redeem 40g of comgold, and there is say 30g of e-gold in the system, and 20g of Pecunix and 10g of e-bullion etc, you are out of luck if you want it all in e-gold, you would need to take the 30g in e-gold and the balance in one of the others... I do see the benefit for users in a system that allows frictionless exchange between currencies and an ueber-currency (comgold) used to make it easier for people to trade with each other. But I fail to see the benefit of using a system in which redeemability for the currency of my choice is not garanteed. After all, if the redeemability is subject to availability, then everyone might as well use the US Dollar and then exchange the US Dollar for the IG currency of his or her choice? I do like any concept that makes things easier and improves on current systems, but I doubt that anything that would further complicate and confuse users who simply want to buy and sell 'stuff' would find many takers... But that is just my view and I might be wrong. Is n´´known to have happened before ;o) Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberfrontier.net start a profitable online business http://www.cyberfrontier.biz budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Yet another e-gold scam
LOL... excellent idea! In fact, why not make it worth their while by offering a generous 5% premium if they do it in batches of $1280? That seems like a win-win situation :-) Remco At 06:00 29-11-2003, you wrote: David, Sounds like a good deal... make them pay you first! I'm sure you'll be very happy to pay $100 e-gold for every $128 in cash you receive! Graham Kelly CEO On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:52:51 -0500, David Devore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I stumbled on a site that offered 128% in usd for e-gold.I assumed it was a con..yes??? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
In fact, the mere existence of an independent reserve bank preempts the use of fiat, if you want to insist on proper term usage. So modify the term for proper current usage, which happens on a regular/continual basis, by removing any mention of 'government'. Fiat money = any currency/scrip/tokens issued without redeemability In other words, if there are 1,000,000g comgold in circulation and I grab 40% of that and e-gold represents 40% of the comgold reserver and I exchange 10% or 100,000g of comgold for e-gold, then e-gold suddenly is only 36% of the total and the 4% difference are holdings of comgold in comgold, right? Wrong. How would you 'grab' 40% of the comgold? You would have to obtain the comgold just like you obtain any other item - by exchange or theft. Either you exchange e-gold - comgold through some exchange provider, receive some for some service or goods, or obtain through various illicit means, but no matter how you do it - the amount in circulation never changes. In order to change the amount in circulation, you go directly to comgold and add more e-gold into the mix. For which you receive an equal amount of comgold. The ratios of e-gold/pecunix/e-bullion/goldmoney/1mdc would then change. The amount in circulation would decrease when you redeem out of the system. But as that can't be, because comgold is not fiat, the percentage of pecinux and others has to increase. 100g total 60% (60g) e-gold 10% (10g) 1mdc 10% (10g) pecunix 10% (10g) e-bullion 10% (10g) goldmoney Add 20g e-gold Receive 20g comgold 120g total 66.7% (80g) e-gold 8.3% (10g) 1mdc 8.3% (10g) pecunix 8.3% (10g) e-bullion 8.3% (10g) goldmoney Redeem 40g comgold - e-gold 80g total 50% (40g) e-gold 12.5% (10g) 1mdc 12.5% (10g) pecunix 12.5% (10g) e-bullion 12.5% (10g) goldmoney All circulation changes would be recorded and could be made available for public view along with publicly viewable balances in every underlying currency. Viking Coder http://www.2cw.org/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Robert B.Z. wrote: Sidd, Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix... Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c What about the transaction fees on the deposit at pecinux? It's free... Pecunix has a policy of offering preferred transaction rates to certain larger customers. It is available to all businesses that qualify, on application. see the bottom of the following page http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ind.feestructure Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Dear Viking Coder, snip Or... Is the following statement not true? 1g e-gold = 1g pecunix = 1g e-bullion = 1g goldmoney The gold price per gram is different for e-gold and e-bullion while Pecunix and GoldMoney use the same price but are different again. Here is a snap shot of the current gold price per gram at the time of writing for the major gold currencies: e-gold: 12.745 US/ AUG 1mdc: 12.745 US/ 1mdc gram Pecunix: 12.7251 US/ GAU GoldMoney: 12.72 US/ goldgram e-bullion: 12.73 US/g IntGold: 12.25US/g ??? Regards, Joel Bruce http://gold-price.net/gold-price-charts.html Customised Live Gold Price Charts in grams and ounces for your website --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
How would such a conglomerated gold currency be a fiat currency? Sorry about the term abuse. I often use fiat incorrectly because of the insecurities it implies and because I want to differenciate from other digital currencies. While my idea of fiat is not necessarily correct I do assess it in the same way I assess DisneyDollars which, strictly speaking are not fiat because they are not issued by a government - but neither are the Euro or the US dollar. In fact, the mere existence of an independent reserve bank preempts the use of fiat, if you want to insist on proper term usage. After all, the Federal Reserve is not a government body... Or... Is the following statement not true? 1g e-gold = 1g pecunix = 1g e-bullion = 1g goldmoney No it is untrue on two counts: (1) 1g e-gold = (1g sth else - minus exchange fees) (2) all other currencies combined can not bring up the same amount of gramms in circulation. Hence wile 1g e-gold might be close to 1g sth else, 2tonnes e-gold isn't, because there isn't enough something else. Exemption is of course 1mdc/fastgrams which is backed and redeemable for e-gold. Either way, I think the main concerns are not two words I used and their dictionary meanings, but the fact that for 1g comgold to be redeemable for gold, you need to look at it as 100/100g comgold, redeemable for 40/100g of e-gold, etc... Hence there has to be actual proof of the gold holdings for each currency, or a garantee by the operator of the currency, which in turn means that you have to have 100/100g comgold to have a chance to call in a promise - unless comgold will allow me to used 40g of comgold to get e-gold, which will then itself create an imbalance of the fractual percentage of the holding reserves of comgold in other currencies, which in turn would change the 40g relative rate into something slightly lower, which finally means that I will make a fraction of a gram profit by exchanging comgold for e-gold - which of course, means that comgold can't allow that to happen, which in turn means that comgold is ipso facto not redeemable... If however comgold did allow me to change 40g of comgold into 40g of e-gold, then I'd like to park a couple of tons in your back yard please and drive off with couple of tons of e-gold redeemed bullion at a profit of a few KG, depending on the overall volume of comgold in circulation. In other words, if there are 1,000,000g comgold in circulation and I grab 40% of that and e-gold represents 40% of the comgold reserver and I exchange 10% or 100,000g of comgold for e-gold, then e-gold suddenly is only 36% of the total and the 4% difference are holdings of comgold in comgold, right? But as that can't be, because comgold is not fiat, the percentage of pecinux and others has to increase. Suddenly I get e-gold for comgold at 4% below the basket fraction. I keep doing this until e-gold is 0% of comgold and then use e-gold to buy the now undervalued other currencies. Doing that a few times (while comgold needs to issue more hypothetical grams to keep me at bay, I end up controlling large chunks of all currencies and comgold keeps paying the difference by issuing new comgold-gs to the exchangers - which now stopped being redeemable. If you ask me, I'd call it fiat - for lack of a better term. Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberfrontier.net start a profitable online business http://www.cyberfrontier.biz budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Another reason to use Mozilla
JMR wrote: Today's my birthday, but I don't want anything for Jim Ray, except: http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/donate.html please give e-metal to Mozilla if you like their browser, and if you have not tried Mozilla, you're missing something very good. You will thank me (just for tabbed browsing) if you try it. JMR Happy Birthday Jim! Mozilla Firebird Rocks! Account#: 808 Account Name: AsianaGold.com The following transaction has been posted: You Paid: Mozilla, Account# 1022293 USD 5.00' worth of Gold (0.012547 oz or 0.390257 grams) Memo: Donation to Mozilla project Regards, Joel Bruce http://AsianaGold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Another reason to use Mozilla
Happy Birthday JRM !!! May you live long and prosper ;o) Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberfrontier.net start a profitable online business http://www.cyberfrontier.biz budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: UFO progress!
WB, LOL, YOU of little faith! I'm planning on YOU being my first passenger! Seriously, I'm looking forward to flying from the top of NZ, to Norfolk Island, then Lord Howe Island, then OZ. I'll be processing ecurrency orders at 10,000 feet on my laptop (via GPRS, when in actual range), flying along at 100mph. I'll also be catching crooks! I'm excited! GK On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:05:37 -0800 (PST), Westgarth Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A very quick update on my UFO Gyrocopter project... the NZ I do trust you've given your e-currency passwords etc. to your next of kin before you make the first trans-Tasman gyrocopter flight? - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO 'I was not born to be a second-hander' - Ayn Rand --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Another reason to use Mozilla
Our hearty congratulations Jim! Regards, Paul www.spacegold.com Today's my birthday, but I don't want anything for Jim Ray, except: http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/donate.html please give e-metal to Mozilla if you like their browser, and if you have not tried Mozilla, you're missing something very good. You will thank me (just for tabbed browsing) if you try it. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Robert, Robert B.Z. wrote: 1g e-gold = 1g pecunix = 1g e-bullion = 1g goldmoney No it is untrue on two counts: (1) 1g e-gold = (1g sth else - minus exchange fees) Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix... Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c Likewise for all the others... Either way, I think the main concerns are not two words I used and their dictionary meanings, but the fact that for 1g comgold to be redeemable for gold, you need to look at it as 100/100g comgold I think you have misunderstood Viking completely... Hence there has to be actual proof of the gold holdings for each currency, That is what Viking proposed. The simple proposal was that there would always be a 1:1 ratio of gold to comgold, but a user would need to take pot luck when redeeming... In other words, if you wish to redeem 40g of comgold, and there is say 30g of e-gold in the system, and 20g of Pecunix and 10g of e-bullion etc, you are out of luck if you want it all in e-gold, you would need to take the 30g in e-gold and the balance in one of the others... There is no fractional system... Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: UFO progress!
Graham, All my NZ customers will be invited for a flight (if they trust my flying!) Next year, we plan to move to Europe with the machine. Are you selling concessions for in-flight gold sales, yet? ;o) Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net start a profitable online business http://www.cyberfrontier.biz budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
You exchange 100g of e-gold for 100g of comgold. Those 100g of comgold aren't guaranteed to be redeemable for e-gold, but are guaranteed to be redeemable for 100g total of any of the currently underlying GBCs (17g pecunix, 13g goldmoney, 16g e-bullion, 14g 1mdc, 40g e-gold) due to the flux of in- out-exchanges. You are essentially talking about an electronic reserve bank that issues fiat currency, based on supply and demand, yes? I assume to make it workable you would expect currency operators to maintain corespondence accounts with the reserve bank and garantee to balance their respective account in accordance with the percentage of the overall volume represented by their currency? To get them to do that, you would need to offer them to share ownership of the reserve bank (and find a name that doesn't have 'reserve' in it) and the bank would need to generate some sort of revenue (membership fees? exchange courtages?) to make people want to own shares. A pretty big ask in an environment were IG currency operators distrust each other and everyone would want to see everyone else's gold, don't you think? pro: diversification of risk The risk that user loose funds when one of the currencies folds? In fact there would be no risk, as the remaining operators would have to pick up the tab. Any other system would not entice users to use the currency. But more importantly, I feel that most people have a misconception about their own users - or at least the majority of users and the meaning of the word currency, itself. Most people that I know, use IG as currency. As a means to purchase goods and services - NOT as an investment. What you are suggesting would have the underlying goal of getting people to trust the concept enough not to outexchange and instead to use the new IG as an investment vehicle as well. To do that however, you need to offer more than just a spread-risk digital gold redemmable currency. You need to offer interest, dividends, something for people to profit from. If any sane person wants to invest into bullion because they expect the price to go up, and if that investment is longer term, nothing beats the real article - having the coins and bars in your safe - next to your reserve gun and ammo. Sure, a government could try to confiscate it - but that could happen with a currency operator as well. I like the idea of a reserve / clearing system that allows people to deal with one currency while there are several actual currencies in place, but if that is the only reason, then Sidd has done half the work. In the end of the day, if I have no incentive to keep a particular currency, other than promises and fancy documents posted on a site, then I will always opt for e-gold (1mdc) and ultimately for outexchange - to buy the genuine article. And I believe that most 'consumers' have similar views. e-gold ruley supreme - other currencies are great because one can exchange them into e-gold, but e-gold is what people buy and spend the most. It is in fact a currency that flows. I would go as far as saying that e-gold is a currency, the others are private money. The word currency itself has a 'flow' built in. Money doesn't by itself. But then, I am not an IG/DGC operator. I just use the stuff to buy other stuff - as do the people who buy stff from me with it. Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberfrontier.net start a profitable online business http://www.cyberfrontier.biz budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: UFO progress!
Robert, Mark my words, I'll get a pic of myself (or wife, or maybe even YOU) flying the UFO gyro, somewhere over the Pacific or Med, processing e-gold/ecurrency orders on a GPRS enabled laptop. (Maybe in Malta, GPRS is free there!) We are researching light-weight mobile cell repeaters/boosters, as we speak, to fit on the outside of the cabin for our cellphones and the PC GPRS card. We'll also be installing the GPS antenna, and the other aerials needed for the various radio's. The ultimate, of course, is a mobile satellite internet access. Utopia! This will happen sooner or later! The first customer processed will get their ecurrency order fulfilled at no charge at all. GK On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:22:54 -0500, Robert B.Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Graham, All my NZ customers will be invited for a flight (if they trust my flying!) Next year, we plan to move to Europe with the machine. Are you selling concessions for in-flight gold sales, yet? ;o) Cheers, Robert. - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO 'I was not born to be a second-hander' - Ayn Rand --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Hi Robert, And I believe that most 'consumers' have similar views. e-gold ruley supreme - other currencies are great because one can exchange them into e-gold, but e-gold is what people buy and spend the most. Yes, e-gold is great! Because I can instantly change it into Pecunix at Open2Exchange and be sure that the gold is actually there and secure (without ID)! It is in fact a currency that flows. I would go as far as saying that e-gold is a currency, the others are private money. The word currency itself has a 'flow' built in. Yes and when people start learning of the convenience of GoldCart.com it will be interesting to see which way the gold flows. Best, /Drew --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
You are essentially talking about an electronic reserve bank that issues fiat currency, based on supply and demand, yes? How would such a conglomerated gold currency be a fiat currency? Individual currencies (e-gold, pecunix, etc...) aren't considered fiat. 1mdc isn't considered fiat. Why then does comgold fit the bill? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fiat%20money --- Legal tender, especially paper currency, authorized by a government but not based on or convertible into gold or silver. --- Comgold would not be issued by a government but would be based on, and convertible into, gold in the same method as 1mdc. Or... Is the following statement not true? 1g e-gold = 1g pecunix = 1g e-bullion = 1g goldmoney Comgold would step into fiat territory if multiple metal bases were included into it - such as e-silver, e-bullion silver, e-platinum, etc... Because, how many grams of silver equal one gram of gold? Viking Coder http://www.2cw.org/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix security
Sidd, there is no need to increase the length of the passwords. I understand that passwords are good for those people who print their PIKs and may loose them; it's a simple security backup system. For such a case, passwords need to be short to be easily remembered. Also, people who log-in from a public computer only need to remember their limited access password. So, the current password doesn't need to change. However, this still leaves an account opened for automated password cracking. Therefore, the system has to lock (for 24 hours) an account for which there are too many consecutive failed log-ins (for example, 10). This means that each PIK must be unique, so that the system can at any time determine to what account each PIK belongs. The only things that still bugs me is an easier way in input the elements of the PIK, in the log-in form. George Hara --- Xnet scaneaza automat toate mesajele impotriva virusilor folosind RAV AntiVirus. Xnet automatically scans all messages for viruses using RAV AntiVirus. Nota: RAV AntiVirus poate sa nu detecteze toti virusii noi sau toate variantele lor. Va rugam sa luati in considerare ca exista un risc de fiecare data cand deschideti fisiere atasate si ca MobiFon nu este responsabila pentru nici un prejudiciu cauzat de virusi. Disclaimer: RAV AntiVirus may not be able to detect all new viruses and variants. Please be aware that there is a risk involved whenever opening e-mail attachments to your computer and that MobiFon is not responsible for any damages caused by viruses. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
