Re: [Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3)Question}

2007-06-18 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Why would I want to use a soundcard program if I've got a good demodulator
(RTTY, PSK) in the K3?


This is a good example of the cut-off between the K3's firmware and PC 
software. If you are going to use a PC then the logical solution is to use 
PC software - it will be a lot more flexible, offer many more features such 
as macros, waterfall display and logging, often integrated. What about PSK63 
/ PSK125?


Assuming that a capable program exists for Windows or your favoured OS then 
Elecraft's effort could be better spent elsewhere.


All my opinion, Simon HB9DRV 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3)Question}

2007-06-18 Thread R. Kevin Stover
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Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:
 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Why would I want to use a soundcard program if I've got a good
 demodulator
 (RTTY, PSK) in the K3?
 
 This is a good example of the cut-off between the K3's firmware and PC
 software. If you are going to use a PC then the logical solution is to
 use PC software - it will be a lot more flexible, offer many more
 features such as macros, waterfall display and logging, often
 integrated. What about PSK63 / PSK125?
 
 Assuming that a capable program exists for Windows or your favoured OS
 then Elecraft's effort could be better spent elsewhere.
 
 All my opinion, Simon HB9DRV

Absolutely.

If memory serves the RTTY and PSK decode on the K3 is going to be
scrolling text. I like having everything the other station sends
available in formatted text, like HRD, MixW, FLDigi, and the others.

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[Elecraft] K2 #4764 has beaten them all

2007-06-18 Thread Karsten Eppert (DK4AS)
In a class for novice licensees I tried to demonstrate, what 
intermodulation is and what the consequences are. We had two signal 
generators operating on frequencies that were 5 khz apart and fed those 
signals to various transceivers of different make. The signal strength 
was varied between S9 and S9 plus 40 on the S-meter-reading. That was 
all - not scientifically at all. Then we tuned the subjects in tests up 
and down and identified the unwanted ghost-signals. The results were 
between absolutely disappointing with Ghost-signals almost as strong as 
the injected signals up to acceptable, where ghost-signals still 
generated S-meter readings. The best rig in that test by far was my K2, 
which remained almost unaffected even hat the highest selected signal 
strenght.


Reading tests or test figures is nice, but seeing the effects in own 
experiments is much more convincing. I?m glad we did that.


73

Karsten
DK4AS

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3)Question}

2007-06-18 Thread Toby Deinhardt

Dream
Ideally the K3 would stream I and Q signals at 44k samples per second...
/Dream

It has always struck me as a bit silly to go from analog to digital back 
to analog only to return to digital, which is what you would be doing 
with the K3 and a sound card based solution.


vy 73 de toby
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[Elecraft] K3 shipping status page added!

2007-06-18 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm
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Re: [Elecraft] YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question

2007-06-18 Thread Robert Benedict

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I don't think so as there is no way to capture the scrolling text to make it 
populate into a log field.

If you already have a computer connected for logging why wouldn't you just use 
a soundcard program that will allow you to do this?

-

73,

Greg - AB7R

Whidbey Island WA

NA-065
 

One reason would be to free the sound card to monitor another frequency 
and/or mode. I might like to monitor the PSK waterfall while racking up 
big points with RTTY on Field Day. Another reason is to use what will  
probably  be very good integrated programs that are built in. If any 
program supported the data stream it would not matter if the source was 
RTTY, PSK, TTY or CW. Today I use HRD (Thanks Simon!)  with PSK Deluxe 
(integrated), MMTTY bridged in (PTT only) and CwGet (no connection).


 Bob
  KD8CGH

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Re: [Elecraft] YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question

2007-06-18 Thread Fred Jensen

Robert Benedict wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't think so as there is no way to capture the scrolling text to 
make it populate into a log field.


FWIW:  Wayne and Eric came to the No Cal Contest Club meeting this month 
and gave an incredibly detailed and comprehensive presentation of the 
K3, including some hands-on time. [Thanks, guys!]  After the discussion 
of the digital and CW decoding into the text buffer, and more than 
somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I asked if the radio had the ability to upload 
Q's in the text buffer directly to LoTW.  It honestly seemed like it 
could ... it can do most everything else!  Alas, no -- but Wayne said 
he'd put it on the list.  I'm not going to hold my breath, I think 
there a few far more sensible things on the list to be considered, but 
in the discussion, I was just struck by, And exactly what else can this 
radio do?


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7
- www.cqp.org
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[Elecraft] K3 manual, schematic?

2007-06-18 Thread John Harper
Anyone have any word as to when the manual will be available for download? 
Not sure if I missed a possible announcement of this...


John Harper AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com




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RE: [Elecraft] K3 manual, schematic?

2007-06-18 Thread Greg
The manual and schematic will not be available until the radios are ready to
ship.  This will allow for the most accurate manual to include any
last-minute firmware/feature changes.




73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA



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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 7:09 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 manual, schematic?


Anyone have any word as to when the manual will be available for download?
Not sure if I missed a possible announcement of this...

John Harper AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com




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[Elecraft] K3 shipping status page added!

2007-06-18 Thread Don Rasmussen
Is this getting exciting or what??? !!!

To:  elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject:  [Elecraft] K3 shipping status page added! 

http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm 

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 Power Malfunction

2007-06-18 Thread eKotz

Don,

You were spot on.   The SWR Bridge diodes D16 and D17 had failed.   The 
diodes arrived today in the mail, I replaced them and my K2 is up.   
Thank you very much for your help.


73,
Ed  -  AD7GR
K2 #6050



Don Wilhelm wrote:
Lack of power control with the KPA100 installed normally points to a 
failure of the KPA100 wattmeter circuit.


Start with replacing the 1N5711 diodes D16 and D17...

If your KPA100 was working at one time and there is *any* possibility 
that you encountered a lightning surge, then D16 and D17 are the most 
likely suspects.

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 Power Malfunction

2007-06-18 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ed,

For the future, consider your antenna situation carefully.  When the 
station is not operational, all my antennas are grounded (via relays) 
and the K2 is connected to a dummy load.  I do have an extensive antenna 
switching system here (not yet complete, but almost there) which relies 
on the Elecraft KRC2 along with remote relays to select the antenna to 
be used for each band - yours may be less complex, but consider a 
switching system to ground the antennas not in use and connect the K2 to 
a ground (or better a dummy load) when the K2 is not powered on.


73,
Don W3FPR

eKotz wrote:

Don,

You were spot on.   The SWR Bridge diodes D16 and D17 had failed.   The 
diodes arrived today in the mail, I replaced them and my K2 is up.   
Thank you very much for your help.


73,
Ed  -  AD7GR
K2 #6050



Don Wilhelm wrote:
Lack of power control with the KPA100 installed normally points to a 
failure of the KPA100 wattmeter circuit.


Start with replacing the 1N5711 diodes D16 and D17...

If your KPA100 was working at one time and there is *any* possibility 
that you encountered a lightning surge, then D16 and D17 are the most 
likely suspects.

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 Power Malfunction

2007-06-18 Thread John [K7SVV]

Don,
   I am going to be installing a simpler antenna switching system here. 
Mine will be keyed off of the 12v power supply.  When it is turned off,  the 
antennas on my two operating positions will be switched from rigs to ground. 
The relays will be located outside in a weather proof box attached to 8' 
ground rods.  My only problem is choosing the spdt relays.  May I ask what 
type and brand of relays are you using?


John   [K7SVV]

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To: eKotz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 Power Malfunction



Ed,

For the future, consider your antenna situation carefully.  When the 
station is not operational, all my antennas are grounded (via relays) and 
the K2 is connected to a dummy load.  I do have an extensive antenna 
switching system here (not yet complete, but almost there) which relies on 
the Elecraft KRC2 along with remote relays to select the antenna to be 
used for each band - yours may be less complex, but consider a switching 
system to ground the antennas not in use and connect the K2 to a ground 
(or better a dummy load) when the K2 is not powered on.


73,
Don W3FPR

eKotz wrote:

Don,

You were spot on.   The SWR Bridge diodes D16 and D17 had failed.   The 
diodes arrived today in the mail, I replaced them and my K2 is up. 
Thank you very much for your help.


73,
Ed  -  AD7GR
K2 #6050



Don Wilhelm wrote:
Lack of power control with the KPA100 installed normally points to a 
failure of the KPA100 wattmeter circuit.


Start with replacing the 1N5711 diodes D16 and D17...

If your KPA100 was working at one time and there is *any* possibility 
that you encountered a lightning surge, then D16 and D17 are the most 
likely suspects.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3)Question}

2007-06-18 Thread Brian Lloyd


On Jun 18, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Toby Deinhardt wrote:


Dream
Ideally the K3 would stream I and Q signals at 44k samples per  
second...

/Dream

It has always struck me as a bit silly to go from analog to digital  
back to analog only to return to digital, which is what you would  
be doing with the K3 and a sound card based solution.


Absolutely 100% correct. If I have to use a sound-card to do a  
digital mode with the K3 then there is no real advantage to the K3  
over the K2.


73 de Brian, WB6RQN
Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shipping status page added!

2007-06-18 Thread Toby Deinhardt

T minus 5 weeks and counting



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Re: [Elecraft] K2: Size of RFC15 - No different from green ones

2007-06-18 Thread David Woolley

Nick T wrote:

I am having the same problem identifying components as well. I have
the larger tan bodied solenoidal but I also have a sub-minature tan
bodied solenoidal but it is colored green-brown-green.


The green brown green thing is actually a resistor, although, if I 
understand the design correctly, it is really used as an approximation 
to two solderable wires, connected by an effective insulator.  It acts 
as the lead frame and clamp for the BFO inductor.

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Re: [Elecraft] RE: PSK on 30M and 17M

2007-06-18 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




I think it is because 17m and some of the other bands have not reached
critical mass like 20m and 40m have.



Very true. With the K3  SubRX you'll be able to run my software and monitor 
two bands simultaneously - so while chasing the 'Worked All Programmers' 
award on 20m you can keep an eye open on 30m / 17m.


Also with some digital software you can enable audible alarms which are 
triggered when a station call CQ is decoded, so you can leave the software 
running and it doesn't have to be visible.


Simon HB9DRV 


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Re: [Elecraft] RE: PSK on 30M and 17M

2007-06-18 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Fantastic! Which flavors of unix does it run on?



Windows NT, itself based in OpenVMS which in turn was heavily influenced by 
UNIX. And seems to work under Wine although I've never tried that.


I have enough aggro supporting my UNIX users in the day job, I'm not going 
to do it for a hobby. I may be stupid, just not yet certified as such :-)


Simon HB9DRV 


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[Elecraft] YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question

2007-06-18 Thread rbenedic
Will data from the K3 internal data mode decodes be available to an
external PC for logging and other purposes?

   Bob Benedict
   KD8CGH
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Re: [Elecraft] YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question

2007-06-18 Thread ab7r
I don't think so as there is no way to capture the scrolling text to make it 
populate into a log field.

If you already have a computer connected for logging why wouldn't you just use 
a 
soundcard program that will allow you to do this?


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Mon Jun 18 10:58 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

Will data from the K3 internal data mode decodes be available to an
external PC for logging and other purposes?

   Bob Benedict
   KD8CGH
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Re: [Elecraft] RE: PSK on 30M and 17M

2007-06-18 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:



I have enough aggro supporting my UNIX users in the day job, I'm not going to 
do it for a hobby. I may be stupid, just not yet certified as such :-)


PricelessI thought only windows applications required support (g).

May I use the line, I may be stupid, just not yet certified as such :-)
It seems to fit in with my every day situations.

Thom,EIEIO
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[Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question}

2007-06-18 Thread dj7mgq
Hi Greg,

 I don't think so as there is no way to ...
 ... soundcard program that will allow you to do this?

Why would I want to use a soundcard program if I've got a good demodulator
(RTTY, PSK) in the K3? 

I would have thought that the K3 can send demodulated data via the RS-232 to the
computer and the computer would be able to send plain ASCII to the K3 for data
mode transmission.

If the K3 can not do this, I would vote that this should be on the future
feature list.

vy 73 de toby
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question}

2007-06-18 Thread Julian G4ILO

On 6/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Greg,

 I don't think so as there is no way to ...
 ... soundcard program that will allow you to do this?

Why would I want to use a soundcard program if I've got a good demodulator
(RTTY, PSK) in the K3?

I would have thought that the K3 can send demodulated data via the RS-232 to the
computer and the computer would be able to send plain ASCII to the K3 for data
mode transmission.

If the K3 can not do this, I would vote that this should be on the future
feature list.


This would be useful for remote control. It would also be useful on a
local PC if you wanted to keep your sound card free for some other use
(I ended up with a RigExpert interface because of this) but I can't
see data mode programs like MixW rushing to support such a facility.

The Icom 756Pro has had a RTTY decode facility for years but I have no
idea if the decoded data is accessible by external software.
--
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question}

2007-06-18 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Given the increasing difficulty of producing a 45 baud 5 bit code,
having translation both ways in the K3 would be useful, even with a
computer attached.

And the K3 has what I expect to be a reasonably capable CW decoder,
too.  In any case, if the output of the decoder can be sent out the
serial port, a larger display would be pretty simple.

The capability of sending decoded data out the serial port would be
most useful.

73, doug

   Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:42:17 +0200
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Hi Greg,

I don't think so as there is no way to ...
... soundcard program that will allow you to do this?

   Why would I want to use a soundcard program if I've got a good demodulator
   (RTTY, PSK) in the K3? 

   I would have thought that the K3 can send demodulated data via the
   RS-232 to the computer and the computer would be able to send plain
   ASCII to the K3 for data mode transmission.

   If the K3 can not do this, I would vote that this should be on the future
   feature list.

   vy 73 de toby
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RS323 and Data Modes {was YAQ - Yet Another (K3) Question}

2007-06-18 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
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   Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:18:32 +0100
   From: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   On 6/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Greg,
   
 I don't think so as there is no way to ...
 ... soundcard program that will allow you to do this?
   
Why would I want to use a soundcard program if I've got a good
demodulator (RTTY, PSK) in the K3?
   
I would have thought that the K3 can send demodulated data via
the RS-232 to the computer and the computer would be able to send
plain ASCII to the K3 for data mode transmission.
   
If the K3 can not do this, I would vote that this should be on the future
feature list.

   This would be useful for remote control. It would also be useful on a
   local PC if you wanted to keep your sound card free for some other use
   (I ended up with a RigExpert interface because of this) but I can't
   see data mode programs like MixW rushing to support such a facility.

I don't think it be very difficult to add this.  MixW, for example,
has provision for an external modem.

   The Icom 756Pro has had a RTTY decode facility for years but I have no
   idea if the decoded data is accessible by external software.

Nope.  But there's not input function there, either.  Likewise the
IC7000.

73, doug
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