[Elecraft] 2T Gen problem

2007-09-12 Thread Raymond METZGER
 

Hi, 

 

I am in the final alignment and tests of my K2/SSB/PA100, which seems to be
going very well, . but I am facing my first real problem with an Elecraft
kit, the 2 T GEN. 

This is rather frustrating, since there are only a few components, no
toroid, etc.

 

The 700 Hz generator works and produces a max 150 mVolt peak signal, but the
1.900 Hz generator does not work. I noticed that Base of 2N3904-Q1 (1.900
Hz) shows 0 V, while Base of 2N3904-Q3 (700 Hz) shows 2,1 mV. With a 8.9
Volts Vcc, Collector Q1 shows 8,1 Volts while Collector Q3 shows 6.7 Volts.
Drains Q2 and Q4 (2N7000) show both 4.4 V (= Vcc/2). The voltages of pins
1,2,3,5,6,7 of U1 (LMC6482) are all 4.4 Volts. Replacing Q1 with an
available spare didn't help and didn't change the voltages.

 

With the scope, I get a 689 Hz sinusoidal signal on U1 pin 7 (570 mV peak),
but nothing on U1 - pin 1.

There is a "saw teeth" signal on collector Q3, nothing on collector Q1.

 

I have of course inspected carefully the soldering and the component
placement.

 

Thanks for your suggestions,

 

Raymond METZGER

F4FNT

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Use of Heathkit SB200 amp

2007-09-12 Thread Charles Harpole
Some model amps have a swamping circuit on the input from the exciter to 
avoid over driving... Some Alphas have that and many Alpha owners just take 
that out to no harm, but are careful, I guess.


The aptly named "swamping" is resistive.  Maybe that is what is in the 
SB-200?


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Re: [Elecraft] Time to Move On

2007-09-12 Thread Tony Morgan

Maybe it should hav been put "move away".

73
Tony W7GO
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Subject: [Elecraft] Time to Move On



Not quite sure what you're trying to say ...

"Move on" ... to what?  

I don't know of a kit that's anywhere close to being an 
alternative to the K3 ... or the K2, for that matter.


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] Time to Move On

2007-09-12 Thread Ken Kopp

Not quite sure what you're trying to say ...

"Move on" ... to what?  

I don't know of a kit that's anywhere close to being an 
alternative to the K3 ... or the K2, for that matter.


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Re: [Elecraft] Time to Move On

2007-09-12 Thread Mike Morrow
> I guess its time for me to move on.  The K3 was such a disapointing 
> let down that I sold my K2.  I'm sorry but prebuilt modules does not a 
> kit make.

Fascinating logic!

Mike / KK5F 
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Re: [Elecraft] Time to Move On

2007-09-12 Thread Goody K3NG
You could desolder all the components in the modules, put them in little 
bags, and then solder them back on the boards.  That would make it a 
rather challenging kit.



nr5a wrote:
I guess its time for me to move on.  The K3 was such a disapointing 
let down that I sold my K2.  I'm sorry but prebuilt modules does not a 
kit make.



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Re: [Elecraft] Use of Heathkit SB200 amp

2007-09-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jeff,

If an amplifier (any amplifier including the SB-200) is linear, and has 
a gain of 10 dB (for example), then 10 watts will produce 100 watts 
output, 15 watts goes to 150, 50 watts will produce 500 watts output, etc.


I am not familiar with the modifications to the SB-200 for the 
'reduction of drive', but if the unmodified or modified amplifier is 
truely linear, there should be no need for any additional work (see 
statement above).  OTOH, if the 'reduction of drive' mod increases the 
gain of the SB-200, then it may be useful unless it produces non-linear 
operation of the amplifier.


The input power required to drive the amplifier to *full* output is 
quite a different matter - I would not expect a 10 to 15 watt input 
would be capable of producing full output from the SB-200, but the amp 
certainly could be used as a gain block element and provide a good 
output signal.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jeff wrote:

Hi all, this might be a dumb question, but the Heathkit SB-200 has several
modifications that can be made to it, one of which is the reduction of drive
power to excite it.

Does anybody have any idea what the lowest power required to excite an
SB-200 amp is?

Without mods, it is around 100 watts, but I use to have one with the reduced
drive mods, and I drove it with 30 to 50 watts for around 300 watts out.  I
never tried testing the lower end with that mod. Though.

  

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[Elecraft] Use of Heathkit SB200 amp

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff
Hi all, this might be a dumb question, but the Heathkit SB-200 has several
modifications that can be made to it, one of which is the reduction of drive
power to excite it.

Does anybody have any idea what the lowest power required to excite an
SB-200 amp is?

Without mods, it is around 100 watts, but I use to have one with the reduced
drive mods, and I drove it with 30 to 50 watts for around 300 watts out.  I
never tried testing the lower end with that mod. Though.

Bottom line is:  if an SB-200 had the reduced drive mod, could a QRP K2 at
10 to 15 watts with an amp key interface safely/adequately drive an SB-200
to say, 50 to 60 watts out?

 

Anyone ever try this?

 

Thanks,

Jeff

KY7S

 

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[Elecraft] Using the English language "Build"

2007-09-12 Thread Charles Harpole

Please help reverse the deterioration of the English language.

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2007-09-12 Thread Charles Harpole

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2007-09-12 Thread Charles Harpole

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[Elecraft] Resumed Elecraft K1 Build

2007-09-12 Thread Joseph M. Durnal
I didn't plan for over 3 months to pass between completing the filter
board and starting the front panel board, what can I say, it was a
busy summer.

I figure if I know people are following the progess, I'll be less
likely to slack off, so check out my blog and pictures:

http://cryptojoe.blogspot.com/search/label/Elecraft%20K1%20Build

http://picasaweb.google.com/joseph.durnal/ElecraftK1TransceiverBuild

73 de Joe NE3R
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ordering Options - ??

2007-09-12 Thread vk2nu
Thanks for everyone who 'put me straight on this'. The phrase 'confirmed my 
order' threw me !! Or maybe it was just wishful thinking! 

Cheers

David, Vk2NU

 Joe-aa4nn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I think it means he just placed an order, nothing else.
> de Joe, aa4nn

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ordering Options - ??

2007-09-12 Thread Joe-aa4nn

I think it means he just placed an order, nothing else.
de Joe, aa4nn


snip ...I just confirmed my order with Lisa Jones - here is
what I placed on order and why. Hope I got it all
right...

I take this to mean that Elecraft are now contacting buyers in the
first production run, and confirming orders ?? and therefore the 17th Sept 
is a go ??


David, Vk2NU



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Re: [Elecraft] KNB3 Option?

2007-09-12 Thread Tree
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 08:00:49PM -0400, hank k8dd wrote:
> Tree wrote:
> >On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 02:27:20AM -0700, J F wrote:

> I guess the real question on the HW NB would be ..
> aside from the fact that it gets rid of a whole lot of noise,
> is there the crud from adjacent signals introduced when the
> HW NB is turned on . like on some "other" radios?

Well - there might be.  The HW noise blanker does not have the 
roofing filter in front of it.  I don't fully understand how
the bandwidth is determined - and haven't had a chance to test 
it with loud signals and an appropriate noise situation yet.

The cool thing about the DSP filter working so well is that
it is after the roofing filter - and will not be affected by
nearby signals.

Tree
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[Elecraft] Time to Move On

2007-09-12 Thread nr5a
I guess its time for me to move on.  The K3 was such a disapointing let down 
that I sold my K2.  I'm sorry but prebuilt modules does not a kit make.


Jerry - NR5A - south Dakota 
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[Elecraft] K3 Ordering Options - ??

2007-09-12 Thread vk2nu
snip ...I just confirmed my order with Lisa Jones - here is
what I placed on order and why. Hope I got it all
right...

I take this to mean that Elecraft are now contacting buyers in the first 
production run, and confirming orders ?? and therefore the 17th Sept is a go ??

David, Vk2NU

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Re: [Elecraft] Lost speaker audio in K2

2007-09-12 Thread AJSOENKE
You have probably experienced a common failure  in the front panel phone 
plug. Order a new jack from Elecraft and replace the  broken one. It's a small 
plastic part that slides back and forth to engage the  headphone or speaker. it 
splits in half and cannot be returned to closed when  the headphone is removed. 
I bought two, just in case, but I think they have the  problem fixed. Some 
1/8" jacks that are sold in stores is inferior, although  stronger. The use a 
pressure contact that will get noisy or fail at the contact.  The Elecraft 
supplied jack is a positive contact slide switch, but a batch was  flawed. Go 
real 
easy on the soldering heat when you install - "just in  case".

Al WA6VNN  




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Re: [Elecraft] KNB3 Option?

2007-09-12 Thread hank k8dd

Tree wrote:

On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 02:27:20AM -0700, J F wrote:

  

Several of the beta testers have reported excellent
results with only the DSP version. The pair should be
outstanding.



I just got my hardware one a couple of days ago.  The real problem
with having the DSP one work so well, is that it will take a lot 
of time comparing the two to figure out which is better.  

Reminds me of the old saying - if you have two watches, you are 
never sure what time it is.


Both of the noise blankers have 21 different settings - so it will
take me awhile to figure out the best ones.  Maybe we need a new
mail reflector strictly for comparing NB settings.  


73 Tree N6TR
K3 SN #013
  


I guess the real question on the HW NB would be ..
aside from the fact that it gets rid of a whole lot of noise,
is there the crud from adjacent signals introduced when the
HW NB is turned on . like on some "other" radios?

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Re: [Elecraft] Single Lever Paddle/Key(?)

2007-09-12 Thread AJSOENKE
As far as I know you're correct. The intended way to do iambic keying is to  
make both contacts simultaneously.
 
Al WA6VNN



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Re: [Elecraft] voltage display problem

2007-09-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Joe,

I might point out that the most likely cause for failure of Control 
Board U6 is static damage.  When handling it (or other static sensitive 
devices), follow good ESD practices.


Most modern active devices *are* static sensitive to one extent or 
another.  An antistatic mat and a wrist strap are a good investment.  
For inexpensive antistaric measures, look for a mat a bit bigger than a 
computer keyboard size at those places dealing in computer components - 
TigerDirect (www.tigerdirect.com) is usually my first place to look, but 
there are many more - search on 'antistatic' at the site.


73,
Don W3FPR

MARY HAYS CARNEY wrote:

Don:
Thanks for the quick reply.  Indeed the voltage at pin 5 of U6 is as expected 
(2.31 for 11.9 v in).

To be sure: the firmware chip is U6, on the control board??  I'll replace that 
and see what happens.

  

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[Elecraft] K3 Ordering Options

2007-09-12 Thread Don Rasmussen
I just confirmed my order with Lisa Jones - here is
what I placed on order and why. Hope I got it all
right...

1. K3/10 $1399
Base 10 watt K3 with standard TCXO, hardware -and-
software noise blankers, all mode DSP filtering, and
KIO3 RS232 command interface. I'd stress to the K2
guys that K3 will provide all the bandwidths that you
get with the K2 without ever needing to buy any
crystals. The K3 does with DSP what the K2 does with a
crystal bank. When the crystal bank is made available
for the K3 it won't be to provide final filter width
as in the K2, it will be to reduce overload from multi
kilowatt stations (or your neighbor if he has a ham
radio).
2. KPA3 $349
100 watt PA with Fans. This takes cool air in from
the top cover and blows it out the back as far as I
can tell. The 10w K3 needs no fans, the PA is kept
cool just like the K2 by bolting to the cover. 
3. KBFP3 $99
General Coverage option, required to listen to any
band that's more than (approximately) 500 khz from an
amateur radio band.  
4. KFL3A1.0K $120
1.0 khz roofing filter, should be a "no effect"
option for at least a couple years when receive signal
levels are strong enough for the internal DSP
filtering to need it's help.
5. KFL3B-FM $99
Allows FM transmit, with the possibility of also
allowing AM transmit depending upon MIC setup, etc. In
this case the DSP in the K3 alone is counted upon to
keep the transmitted signal pure. 
6. KXV3 $79
a. Allows a second receive antenna, which also
provides for an external receive device. In my case I
have a front loading washer with a nasty switching
power supply. I use an MFJ-1026 to remedy this but it
typically uses RF sensing at the main antenna. That
means the relay in the device ruins QSK in transmit.
With the KXV3, the MFJ1026 can stay in receive mode
100% of the time and I can have noise removal with
QSK. 
b. Provides for buffered output for a future
panadapter for bandscope. Thank -heavens- Elecraft
didn't choose to burdon the internal processor with
this task. I have a Softrock Lite device and a "Rocky"
program at the PC that can use this, after a small
amount of additional buffering is added to the
softrock hardware to keep the softrock internally
generated noise from being injected into the K3 IF. 

All up $2145 plus delivery plus Ca. sales tax. 

Such a deal!

73,
Don



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Re: [Elecraft] voltage display problem

2007-09-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Joe,

These symptoms are possibly (but only indirectly) caused by a defective 
U6.  The firmware is the major element in the power control system, but 
from your other conditions, it is difficult to pinpoint - if indeed the 
power control circuits were the cause for low power, that would not 
cause a high current draw - in fact the current draw would be low rather 
than high.


Your D6/Q1 statement is a bit confusing.  Check the 8T and 8R voltages 
at D6 and D7 anodes as well as the collector of Control Board Q1 and Q2 
for both the receive and transmit conditions.  The voltage at the anode 
of D6 is 8R (through RFC12) and CB Q1 is the 8T control transistor.  8T 
is at a high voltage (8 volts nominal) during transmit and 8R is at a 
high voltage during receive - they should never be on at the same time.


High Current is usually a problem associated with the low pass filters 
or T4, but resolve the 8T/8R situation first because if both are active 
at the same time, high current could result.


73,
Don W3FPR


MARY HAYS CARNEY wrote:

Don:
Thanks for the quick reply.  Indeed the voltage at pin 5 of U6 is as expected 
(2.31 for 11.9 v in).

To be sure: the firmware chip is U6, on the control board??  I'll replace that 
and see what happens.

If I may continue with my litany of problems since they may well arise from 
U6(ctrl brd):
The receiver works well but problems show up on transmit.  On initial test, it 
indicated excess current even at lowest power setting.  After several trials, 
it would no longer switch to transmit.  (The voltage at D6 anode rises to about 
4 v then drops  in spite of having 7.9 v at the emitter of Q1 (ctrl brd)).  Pin 
2 of U8 (ctrl brd) remains at 0 v though there is 0 v at the rf det on the rf 
brd.  Right now I'm not ruling out a problem from Q5 through Q8 on the rf brd, 
which may have fried U6 (ctrl brd), so I'm still looking.

Are these problems compatible with a faulty U6 or do I need to continue looking?

joe carney KB3FBR


  If you find the voltage going into U6 pin 5 is the same as at U3 pin 7 
  and your voltage display still says 23.3, the only cause can be a bad 
  input on U6 (in that case, you need to replace the firmware chip).


  73,
  Don W3FPR

   
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Re: [Elecraft] voltage display problem

2007-09-12 Thread MARY HAYS CARNEY
Don:
Thanks for the quick reply.  Indeed the voltage at pin 5 of U6 is as expected 
(2.31 for 11.9 v in).

To be sure: the firmware chip is U6, on the control board??  I'll replace that 
and see what happens.

If I may continue with my litany of problems since they may well arise from 
U6(ctrl brd):
The receiver works well but problems show up on transmit.  On initial test, it 
indicated excess current even at lowest power setting.  After several trials, 
it would no longer switch to transmit.  (The voltage at D6 anode rises to about 
4 v then drops  in spite of having 7.9 v at the emitter of Q1 (ctrl brd)).  Pin 
2 of U8 (ctrl brd) remains at 0 v though there is 0 v at the rf det on the rf 
brd.  Right now I'm not ruling out a problem from Q5 through Q8 on the rf brd, 
which may have fried U6 (ctrl brd), so I'm still looking.

Are these problems compatible with a faulty U6 or do I need to continue looking?

joe carney KB3FBR


  If you find the voltage going into U6 pin 5 is the same as at U3 pin 7 
  and your voltage display still says 23.3, the only cause can be a bad 
  input on U6 (in that case, you need to replace the firmware chip).

  73,
  Don W3FPR

   
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[Elecraft] KDSP2 Recordings

2007-09-12 Thread Zac Brown
I am considering purchasing the KDSP2 and was wondering if someone who 
has this option installed could post some recordings made while using 
it.  I've listened to the two recordings on the KDSP2 page and would 
like to hear a few more, with different settings, etc ...  I am 
particularly interested in hearing the noise reduction at different 
settings on CW.  If someone has a few minutes and could make a few 
recordings, I'd really appreciate it.


73,

Zac KD5IEF
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Re: [Elecraft] Single Lever Paddle/Key(?)

2007-09-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jack,

Congratulations on your proficiency accomplishments, keep up the good work.

With a single lever paddle, you will not notice any difference between 
mode A and mode B. 

If you use a dual paddle and squeeze both levers then release them both 
at the same time - mode A will complete the current element, but mode B 
will complete the current element and then send an opposite element.


You do not loose the completion characteristics for either mode with a 
single lever paddle.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jack Regan wrote:

To all the cw buffs,

I'm a little confused.

As far as I can tell, a single lever paddle, when connected to a keyer, sends 
dots when pushed in on one direction and dashes when pushed in the opposite 
direction.   Presumably this prevents the possibility of a keyer sensing both 
contacts closed at the same time.

Thus, it occurs to me that if the keyer in my KX1 is set for Iambic A, Then I will get 
continuous, properly spaced dots or dashes when I close the appropriate contact but will lose 
the "benefits" of squeezed" characters!

Is this correct?

Similarly, if my keyer is set for mode B, I would still get the dots and dashes 
but lose the auto completion function as well as the squeese function.

Have I got it right?

BTW, I am using Iambic A right now, and always have.  It works fine but I sometimes find myself naturally just sending certain squeese character in a "single paddle manner."  Given the fact that many top ops seem to like and use single lever paddles, I thought I would give it a try!  


Thanks in advance,

Jack, AE6GC

PS.  I just got my 10 wpm Certificate of Code Proficiency from ARRL.  I am more 
proud of that than passing the Extra exam and WAS!!!  I am going for 15 wpm 
tonight during the West Coast Qualifying Run.  Wish me luck!

J

  

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Re: [Elecraft] Single Lever Paddle/Key(?)

2007-09-12 Thread Vic K2VCO

Jack Regan wrote:


As far as I can tell, a single lever paddle, when connected to a
keyer, sends dots when pushed in on one direction and dashes when
pushed in the opposite direction.   Presumably this prevents the
possibility of a keyer sensing both contacts closed at the same time.


Using a single lever paddle with a keyer that is iambic A, iambic B or 
non-iambic is exactly the same.


It makes automatic dots and dashes, and is self-completing (which means 
that once you start a dot or dash, the element and its following space 
will be created regardless of when you let go of the paddle).


The only time there is a difference is when you close both contacts 
together, which you can't do with one lever!

--
73,
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[Elecraft] Single Lever Paddle/Key(?)

2007-09-12 Thread Jack Regan
To all the cw buffs,

I'm a little confused.

As far as I can tell, a single lever paddle, when connected to a keyer, sends 
dots when pushed in on one direction and dashes when pushed in the opposite 
direction.   Presumably this prevents the possibility of a keyer sensing both 
contacts closed at the same time.

Thus, it occurs to me that if the keyer in my KX1 is set for Iambic A, Then I 
will get continuous, properly spaced dots or dashes when I close the 
appropriate contact but will lose the "benefits" of squeezed" characters!

Is this correct?

Similarly, if my keyer is set for mode B, I would still get the dots and dashes 
but lose the auto completion function as well as the squeese function.

Have I got it right?

BTW, I am using Iambic A right now, and always have.  It works fine but I 
sometimes find myself naturally just sending certain squeese character in a 
"single paddle manner."  Given the fact that many top ops seem to like and use 
single lever paddles, I thought I would give it a try!  

Thanks in advance,

Jack, AE6GC

PS.  I just got my 10 wpm Certificate of Code Proficiency from ARRL.  I am more 
proud of that than passing the Extra exam and WAS!!!  I am going for 15 wpm 
tonight during the West Coast Qualifying Run.  Wish me luck!

J
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[Elecraft] voltage display problem

2007-09-12 Thread MARY HAYS CARNEY
Hope to find I'm on the list.  I've completed my K2 and have some problems with 
the transmitter section.  However, before I attack them, I've suddenly 
encountered a problem with the voltage display showing 23.3 v even with 0 volts 
into the internal voltmeter.  The voltage into U6 at it's voltage sense input 
is correct, I.e. 0 v for 0 in and about 2.1 volts for 12 volts in.  Note that 
early on the display was correct with 11.9 volts displayed for a 12 v supply.  
Any hints?
joe carney KB3FBR
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[Elecraft] K3 Filter Advice - QRX

2007-09-12 Thread Bill Tippett




WU7R:
>I didn't order any filters not knowing which ones to order.

Ci I ordered my K3 on May 1 but have not placed
a filter order yet.  Elecraft promised to post full IMD/BDR
measurements for all filters but has not done so thus far.
As you probably know, ARRL discovered IMD problems with the
Orion 500 Hz filter after it was released, which actually
led to the front-end redesign implemented in Orion II.  I
commend Elecraft for posting full data in advance but sure
wish they would "get on with it" so I can finalize my order
(which now seems to be beyond 9/17).

Just order you unit without any filters.  Complete
data on IMD/BDR performance for all filters should be posted
long before you will  - receive your unit (call Lisa at Elecraft
and she may give you a more specific date for delivery).

73, Bill  W4ZV

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[Elecraft] RE: Hw Unsubscribe/Unwanted Posts

2007-09-12 Thread Don Rasmussen
I don't even read the digests, just check here a few
times a day:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2007-September/date.html

This makes it easy to scan the poster, poser, or hoser
and the subject matter before getting into the message
text. 

Read what you want, be happy. 

Best part of it is there is no REPLY button to
confuse, complain, whine, or mistake over.

Say what you want, everybody's happy. ;-)
 

[Elecraft] RE: Hw Unsubscribe/Unwanted Posts
Mike Fitzgibbon mjfitz at log
Wed Sep 12 13:51:32 EDT 2007 

My solution to this is simply to get the list digest. 
Yes, it is a day 
late but that is not a problem here.
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[Elecraft] RE: Hw Unsubscribe/Unwanted Posts

2007-09-12 Thread Mike Fitzgibbon
My solution to this is simply to get the list digest.  Yes, it is a day 
late but that is not a problem here.   I often just check the topic 
headers and if there is nothing of intrest...hit the delete key 
once...and this happens with the QRP-L list also...it has a lot of "me 
too" posts, but I would guess that most lists do.   If there is a topic 
of interest I just roll down to it...the post header numbers make that 
easy and with a little practice you can zoom right down to the post of 
interest.


The only annoyance with the digest is the excessive length due to the 
copying of the entire original post by repliers, and I know Eric has 
asked people to to watch this more than once... a request which many 
seem not to consider much of the time(but I can handle it).   I think 
they don't want to chop off some/all of  the original post because they 
are either lazy and/or just not "hip" to how aware other people are of 
the topics.  Sometimes, although,  it IS undoubtedly advisable to copy 
the entire original post, especially if it is of a technical 
nature...what you choose to copy of the original post is simply a 
reflection of your intellect...


  Mike  N0MF

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Hi Thom,

No problem. Thanks!

What portions did you split it up into? Send my your link and I'll add 
this to our web page.


Please reply directly so we don;t clog up the list any more. :-)

73, Eric
===

Thom LaCosta wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:


Thom,

Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis 
and can not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also 
copyrighted and we do not want copies placed on other sites.
I've only sent the link to two testersso I'll take it down.  I 
thought it might be a help for folks stuck with dialup.  Of course, 
you could offer the split version yourelf...which would keep it in 
your control and accomodate folks.

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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
I use vBulletin, there's considerable vBulletin experience in the Elecraft 
user group, so if needed we users can help offload the workload from Eric & 
Wayne.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - 
From: "Julian G4ILO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



I think Simon, who has a similar forum for
users of his HRD software, was one of them (if it wasn't you, Simon,
my apologies!). Their offers were ignored. Perhaps when the K3s are
out and the list becomes bedlam there will be a change of mind.


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RE: [Elecraft] K2 Low transverter drive level

2007-09-12 Thread Barry Horning
I have tried the tests suggested by Don and all appears to be OK. Just in
case I was deluding myself I then conducted the following tests which may
give a pointer to a possible firmware glitch. Everything is absolutely
reproduceable and I can live with the oddities to get the transverters
working:
Set-up is K2/100, KAT100, K60XV and ssb, noise blanker and 160m modules
installed. Powermeter on ATU output and dummy load on transverter drive
output from K60XV.
1) Test frequency 28.3MHz High Power via ATU - TUNE gives 20w output and
tunes ATU before switching back to Receive - in other words perfectly normal
2) DISPLAY + TUNE gives adjustable output to 100w as per specification
3) Switch to transverter band, power control set for 1.2mW output (LP)
pressing TUNE gives a maximum of 0.21mW not adjustable. Normal microphone
input does give full 1.2mW on Tx.
4) Press DISPLAY + TUNE and I can vary the power out from 0 to 1.2mW
5) BUT and this is the nub of the problem I think: Checking MENU ATU shows
that the ATU has reset itself to 1.0-1 NOT Auto. 
6) Now TUNE alone on transverter band (without pressing DISPLAY as well)
allows power out to vary over full range 0 to 1.2mW
7) Resetting the ATU to Auto reverts to the situation in step 3 above.
8) Disconnecting the ATU when pressing TUNE on transverter band it is
possible to vary the power out as expected 0 to 1.2mW.

Having said this I now know how to drive my transverters by setting the ATU
off when setting-up. Incidentally my 2m transverter has a 470 ohm pot as the
input power control and the K2 does not like this and turns the power back
anyway, the 70cm transverter has a 3dB 50 ohm pad at the input and the K2
will drive this to the full 1.2mW.

May I say that I am highly impressed with the support (especially the speed
of reaction from Don) offered from this email list, it cannot be bettered.

73

Barry GM4TOE



-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 September 2007 14:25
To: Barry Horning
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Low transverter drive level

Barry,

A similar problem occurs with the KAT2 because the driver for VRFDET in 
the KAT2 is not a tri-state device.  The KAT100 uses a tri-state driver 
and should not cause the problem you state if it is working correctly.

It is possible that the U6 in the KAT100 is not operating correctly, but 
before replacing it, check a few related items:

First measure the voltage on U6 pin 8 while transmitting to one of the 
Transverter bands with the K60XV low power output active - the voltage 
should remain at zero (this enable signal comes from the KAT100 firmware 
chip and is not an indicator that U6 is faulty, but may indicate a bad 
output from U1).

If the U6 pin 8 check shows no problem, then disconnect only pin 7 from 
the K2 to KAT100 cable and see if the K60XV low level output is normal - 
if it is, there is something wrong with the VRFDET path inside the 
KAT100.  Check soldering at C38, C30, C56, R9 and U6 pin 6 to be certain 
there are no solder splashes and a minimum amount of solder was used.  
If all that checks out, replace U6.

73,
Don W3FPR

Barry Horning wrote:
> I have the K60XV installed on my K2/100 driving my 144MHz transverter.
When
> testing I was able to get the full range of output up to the 1.2mW level,
> however as soon as the KAT100 is linked in the output power is limited to
> 0.2mW regardless of the setting of the power output. This sounds like the
> ATU is loading the transverter output but the manual errata notes with the
> kit (Rev A-4) only recognise a similar problem with the KAT2. Is there a
> similar problem with the KAT100? This happens even when operating the
> transverter drive into a 50 ohm load without the transverter.
>
> To summarise: Without KAT100 9 pin connector connected full range
> transverter Tx drive output; with the ATU linked in the maximum
transverter
> drive is 0.2mW. I cannot find anything on this list to help, is there
> somebody out there with a suggestion please?
>
>   


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[Elecraft] K3 Assembly Step

2007-09-12 Thread wayne burdick
Q3 is the external relay keying transistor, typically used to key an 
amplifier. It is operated as a saturated switch, and has extremely low 
"on" resistance, so it dissipates little power. We use a virtually 
identical device in the KPA100 (K2/100 amplifier option).


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Sep 12, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Roy Morris wrote:

It appears that Q3 is heat sinked directly to the PC board on page 13. 
 Is this correct?  Roy Morris  W4WFB

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Re:[Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, W2AGN wrote:



A little reminder that you ARE dealing with a company, not the "Ham next door."


Thanks Johnwe can always count on you to make a positive attempt to improve 
things.


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Re:[Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread W2AGN
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> 
>> Thom,
>>
>> Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis and can 
>> not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also copyrighted and 
>> we do not want copies placed on other sites.
> 
> I've only sent the link to two testersso I'll take it down.  I thought it 
> might be a help for folks stuck with dialup.  Of course, you could offer the 
> split version yourelf...which would keep it in your control and accomodate 
> folks.
> 
> 73 k3hrn
> Thom,EIEIO
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:


Thom,

Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis and can 
not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also copyrighted and 
we do not want copies placed on other sites.


I've only sent the link to two testersso I'll take it down.  I thought it 
might be a help for folks stuck with dialup.  Of course, you could offer the 
split version yourelf...which would keep it in your control and accomodate 
folks.


73 k3hrn
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[Elecraft] K3 Assembly Step

2007-09-12 Thread Roy Morris
It appears that Q3 is heat sinked directly to the PC board on page 13.  Is this 
correct?  Roy Morris  W4WFB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 where's the parts?

2007-09-12 Thread Gary D Krause

There are less parts in the K3 because, it has more Mojo!

Gary, N7HTS


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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread Julian G4ILO
Ed,

Perhaps the powers that be will take note of your enthusiasm. People
with a lot of experience in these matters have volunteered to set up
such a forum in the past. I think Simon, who has a similar forum for
users of his HRD software, was one of them (if it wasn't you, Simon,
my apologies!). Their offers were ignored. Perhaps when the K3s are
out and the list becomes bedlam there will be a change of mind.

73, from someone eagerly awaiting the knock on the door from the postman!
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On 9/12/07, Ed M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Julian,
>
> > I am one of the folks who in the past has suggested a web forum with
> > sub-boards for each Elecraft product
>
> As a soon-to-be K2 builder/owner, I enthusiastically second that idea.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe? [END lf thread]

2007-09-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Guys - Let's end this thread now. (Its a repeat of one that ran last 
month..) At this time we are not going to a web based forum. While some 
my like it, we feel it will fracture the community and to be honest, we 
can not actively monitor multiple sub forums.


If you are overloaded by the volume of messages on this list, as an 
alternative to using the digest mode of subscription, you can also read 
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread JT Croteau
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> There will always be users at every level, from n00bs to h4x0rz.

and we must not forget the 31337 h4x0rz.. especially the self-proclaimed type.

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread wayne burdick
This is absolutely not true, Larent. The switches are completely 
sealed, and we've been using them for nearly three years with no change 
in appearance or behavior.


Remember that this is a front-facing switch array. It's a lot harder to 
drip coffee on your K3's switches than, say, the ones on your PC.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:01 AM, Laurent Ferracci wrote:


Ken Kaplan a écrit :


Under normal use (like we hams do), they will last quite a long time.


Well, my concern is not with the markings but with the buttons 
themself:  These buttons will collect dust and moist over the year and 
become sticky, erratic or unusable.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Thom,

Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis and 
can not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also 
copyrighted and we do not want copies placed on other sites.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ
---

Thom LaCosta wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Thom LaCosta wrote:



If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can 
attempt to split it into chunks and find a place where is can be 
downloaded.


I've split the Hi-Res manual into chunks and placed it for public 
download. Before I announce the URL, I need a few folks to do a test 
download to insure that I haven't painted myself in the corner or 
painted a bullseye on the back of downloaders.


Send me an email if you want to test the concept and I'' send a help 
file.


73 - k3hrn
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread Ed M

Julian,


I am one of the folks who in the past has suggested a web forum with
sub-boards for each Elecraft product


As a soon-to-be K2 builder/owner, I enthusiastically second that idea.

I signed up for the digest a few weeks back so I could get up to  
speed on K2 issues: what kind of problems folks are having, where to  
find answers to common questions, etc.  But only a small percentage  
of the messages I receive have anything to do with solving K2 build,  
alignment, or operating questions.


With the product line getting bigger, I hope the folks at Elecraft  
will revisit the web forum idea.  There are good solutions to this  
problem already available, such as: http://www.vbulletin.com/ see it  
in use at http://www.f150online.com/forums/index.php .   (I have no  
connection to this company or web site.)


From the users' side, it is much more efficient to access  
information organized this way. I could spend less time reading and  
keep current on K2 and Mini-Module issues only.The forum format  
also creates new opportunities for K1/2/3 users to communicate with  
others by geographic location, operating mode, etc., etc.(Scroll  
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73, and good luck to all those eagerly anticipating their K3s!
Ed
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[Elecraft] Questions

2007-09-12 Thread BPCI
I bit the bullet and placed my order for a K-3 last week going against my vow 
to wait until there was some experience with them. How does one determine 
approximate shipping dates on orders? Also, I didn't order any filters not 
knowing which ones to order. I sold my Orion (in order to fund the K-3) that 
had a 250 Hz roofing filter that I rarely used. It would be helpful for me to 
hear some opinions about what filters one should order in order to optimize the 
K-3 for CW operations for ragchews, occasional contests, and DX work. 
Thanks...Ci

Ci Jones, WU7R
K-2/100 #4615
K-1 #933
KX-1 #957
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Thom LaCosta wrote:



If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can attempt to 
split it into chunks and find a place where is can be downloaded.


I've split the Hi-Res manual into chunks and placed it for public download. 
Before I announce the URL, I need a few folks to do a test download to insure 
that I haven't painted myself in the corner or painted a bullseye on the back of 
downloaders.


Send me an email if you want to test the concept and I'' send a help file.

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RE: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread Craig Rairdin
> If a specific word like the product name is included in the subject 
> line I can have my mail client sort the mails for me into different 
> mailboxes. For instance all the mails regarding K2 could start with 
> K2 in the subject, same for K3, etc. Then how do you make thousands 
> of users to follow such naming convention?

Since that recommendation is already in the FAQ for the list, apparently it
is impossible. Unsubscribe procedures are also spelled out in several
places, yet we have a thread on that topic. The request that we not chide
other members for excessive, off-topic, or impolite posts is also in the
FAQ, yet those are frequent topics of discussion. The FAQ also includes
suggestions for dealing with the volume of traffic.

There will always be users at every level, from n00bs to h4x0rz. The sooner
we either just accept that or learn to procactively adapt to the
inconveniences presented by other internet users, the happier we will all
be.

Craig
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[Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe

2007-09-12 Thread Jeremiah McCarthy
I have to say I sympathize with the gentleman who wants to 
unsubscribe...Unfortunately, I think he might have unintentionally started yet 
another OT  "Can You Top This"  thread...It is already evident in several 
topics in this very issue of the reflector, where a select few inject their 
opinions...Who cares?...Really!!...

Jerry, wa2dkg

PS: I fully expect will be called out on this, but enough is enough...Wake up, 
people...
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
These buttons are extremely rugged and reliable. They are back printed 
and coated with a rugged finish The legends should will not rub off.  
They do not collect significant amounts of dust and do not become sticky 
when wet. The electrical connections are more reliable than those on the 
K2's buttons. They provide a very pleasant tactile feedback when 
pressed. Overall they are an improvement in both presentation and 
reliability.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ
---

Laurent Ferracci wrote:

Ken Kaplan a écrit :


Under normal use (like we hams do), they will last quite a long time.
Well, my concern is not with the markings but with the buttons 
themself:  These buttons will collect dust and moist over the year and 
become sticky, erratic or unusable. Having to unmount the front panel 
to apply some contact spray once a year may be a solution, but having 
to apply a 1 ton pressure in the upper right corner of a tiny button 
in hope that it will work is not fun at all. And it gives the unit as 
a whole that cheap "made-in-###" touch i'd have do without.


BTW my Thinkpad laptop is 2 years old and some keys ARE already erased.

Is there a technical explanation of why Elecraft chose this kind of 
buttons, or is it just for budget ?



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Re: [Elecraft] KNB3 Option?

2007-09-12 Thread Tree
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 02:27:20AM -0700, J F wrote:

> Several of the beta testers have reported excellent
> results with only the DSP version. The pair should be
> outstanding.

I just got my hardware one a couple of days ago.  The real problem
with having the DSP one work so well, is that it will take a lot 
of time comparing the two to figure out which is better.  

Reminds me of the old saying - if you have two watches, you are 
never sure what time it is.

Both of the noise blankers have 21 different settings - so it will
take me awhile to figure out the best ones.  Maybe we need a new
mail reflector strictly for comparing NB settings.  

73 Tree N6TR
K3 SN #013
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[Elecraft] Lost speaker audio in K2

2007-09-12 Thread David Lankshear
The headphone jack seems to be the K2's achilles heel, Steve.  It's something 
that crops up on here from time to time.

After completing my K2 I had no speaker audio but headphones were OK, so had to 
swap out the headphone jack.  Elecraft were like lightning sending a 
replacement all the way across the pond.

My friend's K2 had very low speaker volume and a replacement headphone jack 
fixed that too!

Before pulling it apart, though, do check you have the speaker connector 
plugged into the 2-pin connector on the main RF board and not the 2-pin 
location with the same designator on the control board.  Also, check your 
speaker from that point with an ohm-meter, just to be absolutely certain it's 
not a problem with the extension speaker jack.

73  Dave L  G3TJP

PS.  Do like I did and invest in an additional spare headphone jack.  That way, 
Murphy's law will be defeated and it will never ever give you any more trouble. 
 Meanwhile, the spare jack will slowly gather dust HI!
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Re: [Elecraft] voltage display problem

2007-09-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Joe,

Check the VSENSE signal path from U3 pin 7 to U6 pin 5.  The easiest way 
to check is to measure the voltage at both points.  On the U6 pin 5 end, 
measure the voltage directly on the chip pin rather than the socket.  If 
the voltage is different, there is some break in the path - check the 
socket and be certain pin 5 is securely in contact with the socket.


If you find the voltage going into U6 pin 5 is the same as at U3 pin 7 
and your voltage display still says 23.3, the only cause can be a bad 
input on U6 (in that case, you need to replace the firmware chip).


73,
Don W3FPR

MARY HAYS CARNEY wrote:

I have some problems with my K2 transmitter section, but first would like to 
clear up a problem with the voltage display.  After giving the correct value 
for several days, it suddenly began to read 23.3 volts no matter the input 
voltage.  This persists even after resetting both the relays and the whole 
system (4-5-6).  The volltage at the Vsense of U6 (control brd) is correct; 
I.e. about 2.1 volts for 11.9 in or 0 for 0v in but the display only reads 23.3 
v.  The current display is correct. Any hints of where to look next?

joe carney KB3FBR
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Re: [Elecraft] Lost speaker audio in K2

2007-09-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Steve,

Most likely the isolated contacts in your headphone jack have failed.
That failure has been discussed many times in the past.
If you are using a 1/8 inch to 1/4 inch adapter on the headphone jack, 
don't do that anymore, the weight of an adapter exerting side forces on 
the headphone jack is suspected to cause pre-mature failure.  Build or 
buy a short stereo extension cable and put the adapter on the cable.  A 
right angle 1/8 inch jack at the K2 end may be a help.
For some reason, a few folks have experienced multiple failures of the 
headphone jack while others had had no problem at all.  The real reason 
remains a mystery to me.


73,
Don W3FPR

Steve Kallal wrote:

I just lost the speaker audio in my K2/100, but still have audio through the
headphone jack. Switching to the regular cover and speaker doesn't help.
Looking at the schematics, it looks like the headphone jack could be faulty.
The speaker audio runs through the headphone jack and bypasses the speaker
when a headphone is plugged in. It looks like the headphone isn't returning
the audio back to the speaker line when the headphone plug is removed.

  

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread Laurent Ferracci

Ken Kaplan a écrit :


Under normal use (like we hams do), they will last quite a long time.


Well, my concern is not with the markings but with the buttons themself: 
 These buttons will collect dust and moist over the year and become 
sticky, erratic or unusable. Having to unmount the front panel to apply 
some contact spray once a year may be a solution, but having to apply a 
1 ton pressure in the upper right corner of a tiny button in hope that 
it will work is not fun at all. And it gives the unit as a whole that 
cheap "made-in-###" touch i'd have do without.


BTW my Thinkpad laptop is 2 years old and some keys ARE already erased.

Is there a technical explanation of why Elecraft chose this kind of 
buttons, or is it just for budget ?


--
Laurent Ferracci, F1JKJ
Blog radio: http://www.ferracci.org

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread waltk8cv4612amos
One of the things I do is use clear finger nail polish on buttons that have 
printing on them.


Walt K8CV Royal Oak, MI.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Elecraft" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons



Guys:
I just want to add a comment on the buttons.
I've not seen the K3 yet (mines in the 2nd batch), but I am very familiar 
with ultra-violet and epoxy hardcoats. My company has been printing (and 
engraving) keycaps for control panels, keyboards and switches since the 
early 70's. Under normal use (like we hams do), they will last quite a 
long time. The only time I've seen a failure, is when we did a job for 
Jiffy Lube, and the grease and oil on the techs hands did a job on their 
keyboards (we switched them to sublimation process to cure the problem). 
I'm sure Elecraft cannot go to sublimation, as there can be no white 
legends, and I'm sure 2-shot molding is too expensive.

73
Ken Kaplan  WB2ART
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Re: [Elecraft] KNB3 Option?

2007-09-12 Thread Tom Hammond

It's part of the BASIC K3.

Tom

At 23:43 09/11/2007, jmalloy wrote:
Hi, folks, I ordered a K3 last week or so for December delivery and 
am *really* looking forward to it!  But one option I just really 
really need is the noise blanker.  I went to website this evening 
and searched for a place where I could place an order for one, but 
no luck.  What's up?

Tnx!

73,

Joe, W2RBA




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RE: [Elecraft] K3 where's the parts?

2007-09-12 Thread Brett gazdzinski
I don't think the K3 is an overly complex radio.
The computer control is likely complex, but looking at
the block diagram, its not a highly complex basic radio.

That is partly what makes Elecraft stuff so good maybe,
good simple basic designs with clever control through
software.

The KX1 is an example, the receiver is a mixer, a product detector
and an AF amp with agc built in.
The Sierra was more complex with an IF amp and agc amp,
and it's a simple radio...

In the K3, it looks like a lot of the receiver stuff is done
in the DSP, not many stages to the RX, 2 mixers, an IF amp,
the noise blanker and preamp/attenuator, crystal filters.
With surface mount, the stages get small, the IF amp is mostly
one small chip?
The AF amp looks to be a small section on the dsp board.
The actual I/O of jacks and so on looks to be larger than the working
parts

But I bet there is lots going on with the front panel...

Brett
N2DTS



 

> On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:02:30PM -0700, David Fleming wrote:
> 
> > I was just noticing how few components are on the rf
> > board (the other boards as well). The result of
> > surface-mount I suppose. Seems like those boards could
> > be made a whole lot smaller. I'm envisioning a mobile
> > rig the size of a 7000 with the specs of a loaded K3.
> > Wouldn't that be something?
> 
> You would need to see the other side first.  :-)
> 
> When I opened the cover - the comments I got were like 
> "where's the radio?".
> 
> It's there - you just can't see it without removing the bottom covers.
> 
> > -David W4SMT
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread Ken Kaplan

Simon et all:
If the keycaps are 2-shot molded, it will last forever. You can pull a 
keycap off, and look at the bottom. If you see a large area of the same 
color as the legend, then it's 2-shot molded. However, Keytronics Corp 
produced quite a few keyboards, that were coated, and wore off very 
quickly. I has many people call and see about replacement keycaps. But 
keyboards are so cheap now, you can (almost) just chuck it.

73
Ken Kaplan WB2ART

Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:
Thinking about things - I've been using the same keyboard now for over 
10 years and all markings are intact - we're talking 10 years * 300 days 
a year * 10 hours a day (or so). It's a rock-solid Cherry keyboard, 
arguably the best there is.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - From: "Ken Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Under normal use (like we hams do), they will last quite a long time. 






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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
Thinking about things - I've been using the same keyboard now for over 10 
years and all markings are intact - we're talking 10 years * 300 days a year 
* 10 hours a day (or so). It's a rock-solid Cherry keyboard, arguably the 
best there is.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Under normal use (like we hams do), they will last quite a long time. 


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread Ken Kaplan

Guys:
I just want to add a comment on the buttons.
I've not seen the K3 yet (mines in the 2nd batch), but I am very 
familiar with ultra-violet and epoxy hardcoats. My company has been 
printing (and engraving) keycaps for control panels, keyboards and 
switches since the early 70's. Under normal use (like we hams do), they 
will last quite a long time. The only time I've seen a failure, is when 
we did a job for Jiffy Lube, and the grease and oil on the techs hands 
did a job on their keyboards (we switched them to sublimation process to 
cure the problem). I'm sure Elecraft cannot go to sublimation, as there 
can be no white legends, and I'm sure 2-shot molding is too expensive.

73
Ken Kaplan  WB2ART
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www.wb2art.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: "Thom LaCosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can attempt 
to split it into chunks and find a place where is can be downloaded.




Same offer here - I have enough capacity.

Simon HB9DRV

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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, G3SJJ wrote:



Chris G3SJJ   (who also is courteous and adds his name and callsign to the 
end of his emails)


And also forgets to trim the messages to insure that the original is not over 
quoted and that there is only one mailing list footer presented.


73 k3hrn
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual

2007-09-12 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Bill W5WVO wrote:

are a lot of customers whose only practical Internet solution is still modem 
dial-up, not necessarily because of the expense of broadband, but because 
broadband simply isn't available short of satellite (very expensive by 
comparison, and not all that broad anyway).


One only need to look at many of the software distribition modelsfor years 
when I was dialup only I would download 100 meg plus applications...the authors 
used utilities that split large application into chunks that could be 
re-assembled my the downloader.


Back in the bad old days, one could split a large application into pieces that 
would live on a floppyI used to distribute software to my customers who had 
only 360 kb drives.


Elecraft could also make use of many of the free(but one gets to ignore ad 
content) file sharing services, so there would be no load on their servers.


If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can attempt to 
split it into chunks and find a place where is can be downloaded.


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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread Andrey Stoev
I think the whole reflector became too "heavy" with the introduction of the 
K3. It is difficult for me to keep track of what's going on, especially 
given the fact that I have no interest in K3 at this point. Eric and Wayne 
stated numerous times that they like to keep "the momentum" and don't want 
to split the reflector into different products but it is going to get even 
worse, once the amplifiers come to the scene. Now I have to sort thru 
hundreds of posts each month just to read only those posted about the K2.


If a specific word like the product name is included in the subject line I 
can have my mail client sort the mails for me into different mailboxes. For 
instance all the mails regarding K2 could start with "K2" in the subject, 
same for K3, etc. Then how do you make thousands of users to follow such 
naming convention?



73
AE1Z

- Original Message - 
From: "Julian G4ILO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "elecraft" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?



James,

Instead of unsubscribing altogether you could open a free GMail
account and change your subscription to that address. That way you
won't fill up your local mailbox with reflector messages. GMail has a
clever filtering system that allows you to select any messages based
on their content. I use it to highlight K3 related postings and
anything from Wayne or Eric, so I can ignore the rest.

I am one of the folks who in the past has suggested a web forum with
sub-boards for each Elecraft product (plus a general topic for the
off-topic chatter.) But there has been so much resistance to the idea
(not least from Elecraft themselves) that I don't think it will ever
happen. Although I predict the situation will get worse when the K3s
actually ship and we all start posting "Hooray, it's here" followed by
"How do you do this?" and then "Wow, what a great radio!"

--
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On 9/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,
I would like to know how to unsubscribe to this list. With easily well
over 100 emails average per day from this mailing list I find myself
deleting 99 percent of it (unless I have a problem with my K2.. but
it's been flawless for a long time now). This reflector is a great
resource for repairs, advice and seeking help but lately I have seen
more ratings, opinions and reviews of equipment which if I want to
see.. I'll go find it for myself. Someone suggested a while back moving
to a forum based system to ease the amount of email flowing in the
inbox and would allow you to go look at items that only interest you (I
have a K2 and some mini-modules..). I think it's a great idea to move
to a forum based system but that's only my opinion..and opinions are
like.. well you know the rest. I get far too many emails a day and just
find myself having to maintain my inbox by deleting all the elecraft
mails. Often if I don't check my mailbox for a few days I find hundreds
upon hundreds of elecraft emails to go through. Unfortunately I still
use crappy AOL for my email so I can't use it with outlook that has
nice sorting features. That would make deleting the emails even easier
(sorry, I just don't have time to go through 100+ emails a day. It's
overwhelming at this point. I'm sorry, but I have to leave this mailing
list.

Any information how to remove myself from the list would be greatly
appreciated.

73,

James KB2FCV

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[Elecraft] KNB3 Option?

2007-09-12 Thread J F
Joe,

It's not an option, it's standard!! Actually there are
two, DSP and a board. 

There had been a bit of a delay from the parts vendor
that has slowed the board version delivery down. I'm
not sure of the current status/

Several of the beta testers have reported excellent
results with only the DSP version. The pair should be
outstanding.

73,
Julius
n2wn
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 mixer

2007-09-12 Thread David Woolley

Tom Hall wrote:

That's a very interesting mixer. I've never seen video switching IC's used
for anything other than SDR's as QSD's or QSE's. Is Elecraft the first to
use a mixer of this type in a conventional radio?



The K3 is a software defined radio.  The sound card (A/D convertor) and 
PC (DSP) may be internal, but the way it works is essentially the same 
as ones that rely on PCs for those functions.




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[Elecraft] Re: K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread wayne burdick

Laurent Ferracci wrote:

I've downloaded and read the manual. Even in Hi-res, i cannot figure 
whether the K3 has real (microswitches) buttons ...



Hi Laurent,

First I should mention that our very picky field testers have all said 
they really like the feel of the K3's switches. You'll have to try them 
yourself when you get a chance.


As for the construction:

The K3 uses full-custom, high-reliability switches selected 
specifically for their tactile properties and long rated lifetime 
(typically > 1M operations). They're fully sealed against moisture, 
which is important for use in high-humidity environments. Each switch 
incorporates a large polydome for positive tactile feedback (about .02" 
travel), and the contact surfaces are gold-plated. (These are not the 
hard-to-press, no-feedback matrix switches found on cheap calculators.)


The switches are molded into several custom shapes, including two 
rocker switches (BAND UP/DN and MODE UP/DN). They're labeled in two 
different colors, and the ink is protected by a hard-coat that's also 
rated for very long life. (I tried very hard to scrape or rub the 
labels off of the samples the manufacturer provided. You can't do it 
without a knife or a file.)


As a packaging designer, I find these switches -- which are similar to 
those found on other recent HF transceivers -- to be ideal for 
high-density front panels.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 3B7 -- only because of the K3!

2007-09-12 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
That's really good news - congratulations. Earlier in the day, they were
'clear as a bell' in southern England, a good 59, but they were calling for
NA only !
When they didn't get takers, they started on Europe, the pile up was
tremendous. I tried to follow the QSX and find just where he was listening,
but just not happening on my setup (FT-857). This was on SSB since I'm not
there with my Morse yet, I'm guessing you worked him CW.
Really looking forward to trying the K3 now, even more than I was yesterday.

Oh and the guys waiting for this batch in the US will get theirs sooner,
since ours will have to ship over the water :-(


On 12/9/07 04:22, "Vic K2VCO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> I just worked 3B7C on 40 meters, with 100 watts and 40 foot high
> inverted V. Here is how the K3 made it possible:
> 
> 1) I tuned in the 3B7, using 50 Hz bandwidth, and a slow tuning rate. He
> was pretty weak.
> 
> 2) I pressed BSET and set up VFO B for a faster tuning rate and a 2 KHz
> bandwidth.
> 
> 3) The DX station was on 7.002 and working stations around 7.027. The
> pileup was very big, and I'll bet that a lot of the callers were using
> serious QRO.
> 
> 4) Whenever 3B7C called someone, I pressed REV to instantly switch VFOs.
> The wide bandwidth and fast tuning rate on VFO B made it easy to find
> the guy he was working. *Every* one of my calls was on target! It only
> took about 5 minutes before I got him.

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Re: [Elecraft] 3B7 -- only because of the K3!

2007-09-12 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Vic Rosenthal wrote:


I just worked 3B7C on 40 meters, with 100 watts and 40 foot high inverted 
V. Here is how the K3 made it possible:


Congratulations Vic, but what took you so long ?  :-) :-)  Oh I remember 
now, you don't neerd 3B7!! Worked him on 40 CW on Sept 8th at 0205Z using, 
dare I say, Homebrew Rx-Tx. when conditions were poor and he had not been 
posted.


4) Whenever 3B7C called someone, I pressed REV to instantly switch VFOs. 
The wide bandwidth and fast tuning rate on VFO B made it easy to find the 
guy he was working. *Every* one of my calls was on target! It only took 
about 5 minutes before I got him.


Add a panadapter capable of limited scan to the K3 and you might have a have 
a killing machine!!


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD



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[Elecraft] K3 buttons

2007-09-12 Thread Laurent Ferracci

Hi friends,

I've downloaded and read the manual. Even in Hi-res, i cannot figure
wether the K3 has real (microswitches) buttons or only those horrible
"rubber-on-PCB" type, like those cheap china calculators ??

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Re: [Elecraft] How do I unsubscribe?

2007-09-12 Thread Julian G4ILO
James,

Instead of unsubscribing altogether you could open a free GMail
account and change your subscription to that address. That way you
won't fill up your local mailbox with reflector messages. GMail has a
clever filtering system that allows you to select any messages based
on their content. I use it to highlight K3 related postings and
anything from Wayne or Eric, so I can ignore the rest.

I am one of the folks who in the past has suggested a web forum with
sub-boards for each Elecraft product (plus a general topic for the
off-topic chatter.) But there has been so much resistance to the idea
(not least from Elecraft themselves) that I don't think it will ever
happen. Although I predict the situation will get worse when the K3s
actually ship and we all start posting "Hooray, it's here" followed by
"How do you do this?" and then "Wow, what a great radio!"

-- 
Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com


On 9/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like to know how to unsubscribe to this list. With easily well
> over 100 emails average per day from this mailing list I find myself
> deleting 99 percent of it (unless I have a problem with my K2.. but
> it's been flawless for a long time now). This reflector is a great
> resource for repairs, advice and seeking help but lately I have seen
> more ratings, opinions and reviews of equipment which if I want to
> see.. I'll go find it for myself. Someone suggested a while back moving
> to a forum based system to ease the amount of email flowing in the
> inbox and would allow you to go look at items that only interest you (I
> have a K2 and some mini-modules..). I think it's a great idea to move
> to a forum based system but that's only my opinion..and opinions are
> like.. well you know the rest. I get far too many emails a day and just
> find myself having to maintain my inbox by deleting all the elecraft
> mails. Often if I don't check my mailbox for a few days I find hundreds
> upon hundreds of elecraft emails to go through. Unfortunately I still
> use crappy AOL for my email so I can't use it with outlook that has
> nice sorting features. That would make deleting the emails even easier
> (sorry, I just don't have time to go through 100+ emails a day. It's
> overwhelming at this point. I'm sorry, but I have to leave this mailing
> list.
>
> Any information how to remove myself from the list would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> 73,
>
> James KB2FCV
> 
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -
> http://mail.aol.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PreShip Question

2007-09-12 Thread dj7mgq
Hi Julian,

> Would it be possible to pay for, and declare for tax, the whole order
> at the start, and then have the unavailable items sent on later with
> documents to say the tax is already paid?

Based on my experience with customs here in DL, I seriously doubt it. You would
have to ask your local customs office.

vy 73 de toby
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PreShip Question

2007-09-12 Thread Julian G4ILO
This presents a bit of a dilemma for us overseas customers, who risk
having to pay multiple tax collection charges on each package that is
sent (not to mention multiple shipping charges, unless Elecraft bears
the extra cost) or else have our orders delayed until everything is
ready to ship.

Would it be possible to pay for, and declare for tax, the whole order
at the start, and then have the unavailable items sent on later with
documents to say the tax is already paid?

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On 9/11/07, Terry Schieler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Yes, the web page indicates the following:
>
> " Note: Some options may not be available at initial ship date. You will be
> notified of this before shipment, and can chose partial shipment or request
> that we hold your order until they are available. Our Shipping Status Page
> will be updated with this information as it becomes available."
>
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