Re: [Elecraft] Stew's RX

2007-12-29 Thread David Wilburn
My biggest problem with the K2, is that not everyone has them (or a K3).
I find I can dig down in the dirt and pull out signals, but then the
other end seldom can hear me.  Admittedly I am only running 100w and a
dipole.  Even if I had a beam, I get the feeling I could hear more than
I can work.  But then I would need an amp so they could hear
mehmwell, they will probably be pretty cheap at the top of
the cycle.  People will probably be throwing them away.  

73 es hpy nw yr
-  

David Wilburn
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K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 17:46 -0700, Dale Putnam wrote:
> Stew Perry's test is proving once again that rx is the most important part of 
> making Qs. 
> I've been doing a bit of S&P and testing antennas, it is interesting that 160 
> is acting a lot like 80 just now, with NVIS working well, and a NORD vertical 
> producing further distance Qs. The band is rather quiet, and active. 
>That was the quick assessment of the greyline as it crossed. I'll check 
> out the conditions a bit later and see how it works then. 
>   Hope to see you on.
> Station is a K2 at 5 with a 360 foot dipole at 40 feet and a NORD vert. with 
> 4 inches of snow cover.
> 
> 
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 SWR bridge adjustment 160m & 80m

2007-12-29 Thread Don Wilhelm

Koert,

The absolute minimum voltage found in the C1 null (as observed at TP4) 
is not as important as the depth of the null.


If you cannot achieve a deep and rather sharp null, there is something 
wrong with either T4 and its associated components or with your dummy 
load.  The actual voltage at the null will depend on the power level used.


Assuming your dummy load is good (you can check it with an antenna 
analyzer), you should see a 1.0:1 SWR on all bands.


Since you indicate a higher SWR on the low frequency bands, that 
suggests that T4 does not have adequate inductance for those bands.  
Check that you have used the correct core for T4 - it should be one of 
the gray (ferrite) cores and not one of the black (powdered iron) 
cores.  Be certain that T4 has well stripped leads and is properly 
soldered.  If you observe toroid solder connections that look a bit like 
volcanos, that lead was not well stripped - a good solder connection 
will look like a mountain with concave sides - if it has a convex shape, 
too much solder was applied and that fact can mask a poor solder 
connection - wick away the excess solder and resolder properly.


73,
Don W3FPR

Koert Wilmink wrote:

Dear all,

Please find my emails to Elecraft support below. Is there maybe somebody with 
additional tips?

Thanks!!

73 Koert PA1KW



-
Hi Gary,

Sorry for my late response, but I had not the opportunity to work on
this earlier. I moved houses and that took longer than expected.

I did check the HV bias and that is 135volts. The diodes are ok and the
voltage on TP4 2mV on receive and 240mv on transmit (tune).
I did connect a good dummyload close to the KPA100.
I did the re-adjustment of the SWR bridge but this provided me not the
required results. The best results with adjusting C1 on 5 Watts is:

160m 1.8-1
80m 1.3-1
40m 1.0-1
30m 1.0-1
20m 1.0-1
18m   1.0-1
15m 1.0-1
12m  1.0-1
10m 1.0-1

Please help..

Best regards and 73,

Koert Wilmink
PA1KW

  


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2007-12-29 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   This week was filled with snow and a little rain.  Temperatures varied from 
near 40 down to 20 degrees F.  Winds also varied from 50 mph to zero.  I had 
not seen snow drifting since I lived in the Midwest but this week had one day 
where the snow was dry enough and the wind strong enough so I have some small 
drifts in the front yard.  I also have a nicely covered wood pile in the back 
yard.  
   Twenty meters offered some contacts this week as did forty meters.  Eighty 
meters seemed the best at night so I worked there when I needed someone to chat 
with though most of them were RST QTH 73 type contacts.  Their brevity made me 
call CQ more often :)  One guy answered simply because he wanted MS.
   
Please join us tomorrow evening.
 
1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP  help)
 
Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz
Monday 0100z (Sunday 5 PM PST)  7045 kHz
 
   Stay warm,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS
 
ecn.visionseer.com  for net details

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Re: [Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread Bill NY9H


The DZ transceiver was at Dayton two years ago. Had a booth back by 
the GM exhibit. As I recall their manual was an exact look a like of 
the old Heathkit manual.
The set was a busy looking set, but with a pile of "feature/benefits" 
including I believe a second receiver option. Interesting the PA 
board picture does have a  copywrite date of 2007.


Glad to see they are still aliveand as Lyle says  we have another 
American effort in the HF biz. They did have spec sheets two years ago...


Let's all wish them success

I already have my compliment of K2s ,a K3 and a big Icom ..
I am DONE SHOPPING.

bill



At 09:17 PM 12/29/2007, Lyle Johnson wrote:
I had a chance to see a DZ kit Sienna at Pacificon in October.  It 
was powered up and operating -- and it is a kit!  I can't comment on 
performance or design, as I neither operated it nor examined its 
specifications.


I am encouraged to see that there is sufficient belief in the future 
of Amateur radio that American companies (as well as Asian and 
European) are investing in product development.  2007 was a banner 
year for new Amateur radio transceiver introductions.  These 
products all take many person-years to develop.


In the end, we all win.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread Lyle Johnson
I had a chance to see a DZ kit Sienna at Pacificon in October.  It was 
powered up and operating -- and it is a kit!  I can't comment on 
performance or design, as I neither operated it nor examined its 
specifications.


I am encouraged to see that there is sufficient belief in the future of 
Amateur radio that American companies (as well as Asian and European) 
are investing in product development.  2007 was a banner year for new 
Amateur radio transceiver introductions.  These products all take many 
person-years to develop.


In the end, we all win.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] k3 fan noise - lots of it.

2007-12-29 Thread Greg
Hi Cary.

All comments I've seen on the fans are that they're dead silent...as they
are on mine.  So something is obviously amiss here.

Please take the fans off and check to see if they wobble at all.  Are the
wires hitting the blades?  Are they installed correctly?

If it appears there may be a problem with one or both fans, please email the
K3support address (CC'd here).  Let Gary know and he'll let you know what to
do to proceed.

Thanks
Greg
AB7R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of H. Cary III
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:25 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] k3 fan noise - lots of it.


K3-100 #178 went together flawlessly, well almost, but it was smooth.  Was
missing two standoffs and two screws for the fan assembly on the KPA-100.
When I did the first fan check, the relay or relays clicked but only one
operated very quietly (short lead) ...disconnected it as instructed,
installed the KPA-100 module and reconnected the fans & panel per
instructions.   Both fans operate this time but "WOW, is it every loud!"  -
my wife came in from the next room wanting to know what was making the
noise.  Her facial reaction when she realized it was the K3 clearly said:
"This is the latest and greatest?"

Is it the missing hardware or are others experiencing noisy fans, too? I've
got to fix this, both for my sanity and to save face!

Thanks for the help and Happy New Year.

73,
Cary, K4TM
K2-100 #5266
K3-100 #0178


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[Elecraft] The DZ kit ...

2007-12-29 Thread Ken Kopp

It's apparently made by Brian Wood, W0DZ in
Loveland, CO.  Looked up info in Buckmaster.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP

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[Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread Ken Kopp
It's apparently made by Brian Wood, W0DZ in
Loveland, CO.  Looked up info in Buckmaster.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] k3 fan noise - lots of it.

2007-12-29 Thread Ken Kopp

Something must be wrong ...

Mine are ... for all practical purposes ... silent.
The only way I can tell they're operating is to
reach behind and feel moving air.

Ended with a couple of extra screws and washers.

Ken Kopp - K0PP
K3 #56

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Re: [Elecraft] k3 fan noise - lots of it.

2007-12-29 Thread K8TB

H. Cary III wrote:

>K3-100 #178 ... Both fans operate this time but "WOW, is it every 
loud!" -
>Is it the missing hardware or are others experiencing noisy fans, too? 
I've got to fix this, both for my sanity and to save face!


Cary, the fans are very quiet. My guess is that the blades on the fan 
are hitting, due to the lack of proper mounting, or spacing. Also, 
visually check to make sure no wires are touching the fan blades. I have 
this happen a lot at work on many computers.
But visually check those fans. Spin the blades manually, there should be 
no binding.


73  de Tom K8TB  K3 FB# 53


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Re: [Elecraft] k3 fan noise - lots of it.

2007-12-29 Thread Lyle Johnson

Is it the missing hardware or are others experiencing noisy fans, too?


All comments to date have been about how quiet the fans are.

Are you hearing: bearing noise from a defective fan; buzzing or rattling 
from a fan not firmly attached to the panel and perhaps vibrating; the 
panel not firmly attached to the radio; a wire being whacked by the fan 
blades; a roaring sound like an F-18 with afterburners because of the 
huge amount of air the fan is somehow moving; a small rodent trapped 
against a fan impeller; ... ?


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] k3 fan noise - lots of it.

2007-12-29 Thread H. Cary III
K3-100 #178 went together flawlessly, well almost, but it was smooth.  Was 
missing two standoffs and two screws for the fan assembly on the KPA-100.
When I did the first fan check, the relay or relays clicked but only one 
operated very quietly (short lead) ...disconnected it as instructed, installed 
the KPA-100 module and reconnected the fans & panel per instructions.   Both 
fans operate this time but "WOW, is it every loud!"  - my wife came in from the 
next room wanting to know what was making the noise.  Her facial reaction when 
she realized it was the K3 clearly said: "This is the latest and greatest?"

Is it the missing hardware or are others experiencing noisy fans, too? I've got 
to fix this, both for my sanity and to save face!

Thanks for the help and Happy New Year.

73,
Cary, K4TM
K2-100 #5266
K3-100 #0178


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Re: [Elecraft] Shouting at the Mic? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets shouldwe carry?)

2007-12-29 Thread Bill W5WVO

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:


In the broadcast biz we had a lot of such people because along with
"projection" they learned to enunciate and modulate their voices for
the most pleasant effect. The end result is a lot of volume and range
with far better than average understandability at all levels.
I think it's almost a lost art these days...


Proper articulation, whether you call it projection or enunciation or 
modulation or whatever, is just speaking consciously with a knowledge and 
appreciation of how to use the voice for maximum intelligibility. People don't 
naturally do this; you have to think about it and learn it. Radio operators 
who know how to articulate properly get more complete contacts under difficult 
conditions.


It's really like using organic, brain-centric speech compression/clipping --  
you boost the amplitude-domain and/or the time-domain parameters of sounds 
that typically get short shrift in ordinary speech.


Bill W5WVO


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Re: [Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread WILLIS COOKE
To begin with Elecraft published all the specs of the
K3 and has put some into the amateur community to be
evaluated.  DZ may make their specs available, but I
have not seen them and don't know where to look.  This
is the first time that I have heard of the DZ kit.

The K3 kit seems to be more complete with the boards
pre-assembled and alligned.  

The price of the basic EZ is about the same as the K3
fleshed out with a reasonable amount of accessories. 
I ordered a 100 watt K3 with antenna tuner, second
receiver, a cw filter, a microphone, a recorder and a
headset for about the same price as the basic EZ.

I have made my commitment to a K3 and am not tempted
to change my mind with what I can see of the EZ.

Cookie, K5EWJ
--- "Dr. Dan Swartling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How does the K3 stack up against this kit:
>
http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1
> 
> Dan
> 
> To make a difference, one must first be different. 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Technicians.....

2007-12-29 Thread Shaun Oliver
that should be plenty although, it doesn't hurt to have an ESD wrist 
strap. I've one here I use when I open my pcs up.


On 30/12/2007 6:36 AM, the old scribe known as Jay Bromley was able to 
impart this pearl of wisdom:
I bet those blue mats under the rigs are anti static ones hooked up to a 
ground bus of some sort?


73 de w5jay/jay..





And not an ESD wrist strap visible anywhere.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Has anyone seen these pics yet:
_http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/_ (http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/) 
Looks like Elecraft has at least 3 Techs working on getting those 
units out! I wouldn't mind doing that
if they were in NC!  It would be much cheaper for them to operate  
here:)
Looks like they are still in Production Run#1 though with the "orders 
with  deposits":(


Michael
N2ZDB

.com
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[Elecraft] Who needs Sidetone??

2007-12-29 Thread Ken Kopp

It seems that when an individual can't hear him/herself
there is a natural tendency to talk louder.  We all know
someone who's "hard of hearing" (an odd expression)
who talks loud.

My wife recently was fitted with her first hearing aids. Not 
only do they work GREAT with no problems ... she forgets 
she's wearing them ... but she's back to her normal voice 
level. (:-))


They use DSP, a programmable 5-band equalizer, auto 
adjust levels, etc.  They "remember" a number of days of
levels in the event an adjustment is needed.  Really neat 
technology!


I use sidetone on phone ...

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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RE: [Elecraft] Who needs Sidetone?? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should wecarry?)

2007-12-29 Thread N2TK
I find sidetone reduces my shouting.
N2TK, Tony 

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Subject: [Elecraft] Who needs Sidetone?? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should
wecarry?)

I find it strange to hear "sidetone" on a phone rig. None of the radios that
I've used professionally do that. It's been almost ten years since I last
operated a commercial system, so maybe things are changing but, if so, it's
very, very new. 

Since we sound completely different to ourselves than we do to others -
thanks to bone conduction in our heads - I can't see that phone sidetone
does anything useful and the issue with sidetone volume is very real, as the
phone company found out decades ago. 

Back when the phone company owned all the telephones (and no one could
legally connect a different instrument to the phone line) they provided some
models with a thumbwheel or screwdriver sidetone adjustment on the bottom
that could be turned up to help the hard of hearing understand and to keep
them from shouting at the instrument. 

I discovered it when we had a "shouter" in the office who heard just fine,
but who habitually talked in a **LOUD** voice all the time.  Without his
knowledge we fitted his desk with such an instrument and turned up the
sidetone full volume. He spoke rather quietly on the phone thereafter. 

If you really want to know how you sound to others, you MUST record your
voice and play it back. It's best to do that on another rig so you get the
full effect to the second rig's SSB filters (for better or for worse ). 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Who needs Sidetone??

2007-12-29 Thread Bill W5WVO

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:


I find it strange to hear "sidetone" on a phone rig. None of the
radios that I've used professionally do that. It's been almost ten
years since I last operated a commercial system, so maybe things are
changing but, if so, it's very, very new.


Possibly. But the sidetone is there specifically for those who wear 
tight-fitting headphones when operating. It's not a question of listening to 
your signal critically; it's just a matter of trying to recreate the 
experience of hearing yourself talk in a manner as close to "normal" as 
possible while wearing a headset that excludes ambient sounds.


Could you get used to operating phone with a tight headset and no sidetone? I 
suppose so -- but I've been around for a while myself, and I can remember my 
old-time solution for this problem: Don't wear a headset when operating phone!


My guess is that the increase in "serious" multi-op contest operation, along 
with the ready availability of ham-ready headsets like the Heil models, have 
led to a preference on the part of many ops to wear headsets when operating 
phone. I hardly ever use a loudspeaker for either phone or CW. Personal 
preference, of course, but it sure helps intelligibility on weak signals. I 
set the phone sidetone on my rig at such a level that I can tell that I'm 
talking and it feels natural, not so loud that I can "listen to myself".


Bill / W5WVO


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[Elecraft] Stew's RX

2007-12-29 Thread Dale Putnam

Stew Perry's test is proving once again that rx is the most important part of 
making Qs. 
I've been doing a bit of S&P and testing antennas, it is interesting that 160 
is acting a lot like 80 just now, with NVIS working well, and a NORD vertical 
producing further distance Qs. The band is rather quiet, and active. 
   That was the quick assessment of the greyline as it crossed. I'll check out 
the conditions a bit later and see how it works then. 
  Hope to see you on.
Station is a K2 at 5 with a 360 foot dipole at 40 feet and a NORD vert. with 4 
inches of snow cover.


--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy

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Re: [Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread Bill W5WVO
And... Where's the beef? I assumed I was just being stupid because I couldn't 
find the page with the engineering details on it -- you know, the lab 
measurements and so on. Couldn't find it, because there isn't any. Who on 
earth would lay out nearly $3000 for a transceiver sight unseen, with no 
reputation behind it, and with no published engineering lab specifications?


Is this guy kidding, or what?

Bill W5WVO


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Indeed it does look awful, and I'm not just talking about its
appearance. First of all is the "traditional" triple conversion
architecture with all the spurious problems that implies. The roofing
filter is, of course, at high IF which makes high selectivity filters
very difficult if not impossible. Digital mode PC capability is an
option unlike the K3.
And a 10watt KIT for almost $3K, I'd be ashamed to sell such a
product.

Keep in mind that the 10 watt version of the K3 costs $1399. How
can there be a question?!

Opinionated Doug. W6JD
K3/100 #23

-- Original message --
From: G3SJJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Dunno, but it looks awful!

Chris G3SJJ



Dr. Dan Swartling wrote:

How does the K3 stack up against this kit:
http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1

Dan

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RE: [Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 - possible easy fix!

2007-12-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Al, WA6VNN wrote:

I've noticed it's a little on the high side for folks with  smaller  hands 
than I. Aside from that, the viewing angle is ideal, which can be a real
hassle 
when its 'flat'.

--

I find that is important to read all the legends on the pushbuttons,
especially the ones UNDER the buttons that quickly become obscured if viewed
from an angle above the rig. 

Of course, the LCD viewing angle is unimportant, since it can be adjusted in
the MENU to provide optimum contrast over a wide range of angles. 

Ron AC7AC 

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RE: [Elecraft] Shouting at the Mic? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should we carry?)

2007-12-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Toby wrote:

I suppose it might be a question of definition of what a raised voice is.

I'll never forget the first time I was in a studio during the 6PM news 
(actually it was shortly before 7PM) and was very surprised at the 
volume which the anchor used to speak. He did not shout (you breath 
differently when you shout) but he talked loudly.

I have heard this time and time again at work over the years, a loud 
voice is better than one which is too low. This does not mean shouting 
or yelling!

-

Of course I'm the one who interpreted your "shout" literally, Toby! 

I did so because I have worked in Field Day setups where people did that to
no good effect! 

The club finally started counseling sessions with each operator before
he/she went on the air. 

It sounds like you're talking about what we, here in the USA at least, call
projection rather than shouting. It's what a stage performer learns to do to
be heard throughout an auditorium without a megawatt of audio amplification.
It's not something most people do naturally, but something that comes
through a lot of voice training. 

In the broadcast biz we had a lot of such people because along with
"projection" they learned to enunciate and modulate their voices for the
most pleasant effect. The end result is a lot of volume and range with far
better than average understandability at all levels. 

I think it's almost a lost art these days, at least in the USA. More and
more I hear actors in films and TV mumbling their way through lines. It's a
real pleasure when an actor turns up who is perfectly clear and distinct,
even when whispering. 

Ron AC7AC


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Re: [Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread w6jd
Indeed it does look awful, and I'm not just talking about its
appearance. First of all is the "traditional" triple conversion architecture
with all the spurious problems that implies. The roofing filter is, of course,
at high IF which makes high selectivity filters very difficult if not
impossible. Digital mode PC capability is an option unlike the K3.
And a 10watt KIT for almost $3K, I'd be ashamed to sell such a
product. 

Keep in mind that the 10 watt version of the K3 costs $1399. How
can there be a question?!

Opinionated Doug. W6JD
K3/100 #23 

-- Original message -- 
From: G3SJJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Dunno, but it looks awful! 
> 
> Chris G3SJJ 
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Dan Swartling wrote: 
> > How does the K3 stack up against this kit: 
> > http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1 
> > 
> > Dan 
> > 
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[Elecraft] Who needs Sidetone?? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should we carry?)

2007-12-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I find it strange to hear "sidetone" on a phone rig. None of the radios that
I've used professionally do that. It's been almost ten years since I last
operated a commercial system, so maybe things are changing but, if so, it's
very, very new. 

Since we sound completely different to ourselves than we do to others -
thanks to bone conduction in our heads - I can't see that phone sidetone
does anything useful and the issue with sidetone volume is very real, as the
phone company found out decades ago. 

Back when the phone company owned all the telephones (and no one could
legally connect a different instrument to the phone line) they provided some
models with a thumbwheel or screwdriver sidetone adjustment on the bottom
that could be turned up to help the hard of hearing understand and to keep
them from shouting at the instrument. 

I discovered it when we had a "shouter" in the office who heard just fine,
but who habitually talked in a **LOUD** voice all the time.  Without his
knowledge we fitted his desk with such an instrument and turned up the
sidetone full volume. He spoke rather quietly on the phone thereafter. 

If you really want to know how you sound to others, you MUST record your
voice and play it back. It's best to do that on another rig so you get the
full effect to the second rig's SSB filters (for better or for worse ). 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread G3SJJ

Dunno, but it looks awful!

Chris G3SJJ



Dr. Dan Swartling wrote:

How does the K3 stack up against this kit:
http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1

Dan

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[Elecraft] Regarding mics for K3

2007-12-29 Thread Dick Roth KA1OZ

Hi there--

Since folk are offering opinions, I've just bought a Heil HM-Pro Handi 
Mic.  I meant to get the HM-5.  Does anyone have a good opinion?  It has 
a 6kc bandwidth.  Would the TX equalizer be able to handle this?  Also, 
I believe the Z=600 ohms.


Returning it is a 100 mile drive to Salem, NH.

tia.
--
73,
Dick ka1oz
Middleborough, MA

Calmly awaiting my K3 to bring me back on the air after 30 years.
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 SWR bridge adjustment 160m & 80m

2007-12-29 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Hi Koert,

1) Do you have an external RF power meter?

2) If you do, does your K2/100 produce 100 watts minimum, CW mode, on all 
bands 160m - 10m when connected to a dummy load and the RF power output 
measured by an external meter?


3) All RF power measurements should use an external meter only.

4) If the K2/100 does not produce 100 watts CW on all bands, on which bands 
is the maximum output LESS than 100 watts CW?


5) How much DC current is being drawn by the PA (or the K2/100) on each band 
if you adjust the power output to 100 watts CW?  If you cannot get 100 watts 
on some bands, what is the maximum power output produced on each 'low output 
band' and how much DC current is drawn in each low output case.


These tests should provide some indication of what is causing your problem 
without having to heat up your iron.  If you wish we can continue off List.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


- Original Message - 
From: "Koert Wilmink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 SWR bridge adjustment 160m & 80m



Dear all,

Please find my emails to Elecraft support below. Is there maybe somebody 
with additional tips?


Thanks!!

73 Koert PA1KW


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[Elecraft] Contrast and compare...

2007-12-29 Thread Dr. Dan Swartling

How does the K3 stack up against this kit:
http://estore.websitepros.com/1763214/Detail.bok?no=1

Dan

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 SWR bridge adjustment 160m & 80m

2007-12-29 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Dear Koert,

It probably isn't the problem, but you might check that the core
used for T4 is really an FT50-43. The wrong core might not have enough
permeability at the lower frequencies.

73 Kevin w9cf

>Dear all,
>
>Please find my emails to Elecraft support below. Is there maybe somebody with 
>additional tips?
>
>Thanks!!
>
>73 Koert PA1KW
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Re: [Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 - possible easy fix!

2007-12-29 Thread Toby Deinhardt

The damn bail stand is too  high !!!


Actually the back feet are too short, I put a one inch thick book under 
the back. For me the rig is then at a perfect height and not too tilted.


vy 73 de toby
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Re: [Elecraft] Shouting at the Mic? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should we carry?)

2007-12-29 Thread AJSOENKE
In a message dated 12/29/2007 3:01:31 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Good evening, morning,  day or night,

> That's why air traffic controllers, emergency service  dispatchers and many
> others are carefully taught to *never* raise their  voices on the air. They
> need to be heard, and heard correctly, as  quickly as possible. 

I suppose it might be a question of definition of  what a raised voice is.

I'll never forget the first time I was in a  studio during the 6PM news 
(actually it was shortly before 7PM) and was very  surprised at the 
volume which the anchor used to speak. He did not shout  (you breath 
differently when you shout) but he talked loudly.

I have  heard this time and time again at work over the years, a loud 
voice is  better than one which is too low. This does not mean shouting 
or yelling!  According the sound techs this has something to do with the 
dynamic range of  the speech and allows lower microphone gain, which 
reduces the audio impact  of the room surrounding the speaker. Also lower 
microphone gain has the  advantage of picking less unwanted noise.

When I referred to shouting I  put in quotes on purpose, because I wanted 
to point out that when trying to  fish out a week one, even a normal 
level voice will seem like  shouting.


 
In a broadcast studio, you have sound engineers monitoring everything that  
goes in and out of the transmitter, modulation levels are high priority. So a  
good sounding announcer is where it starts, a good engineer is where it  flows.
 
Ham Ops need to be both!
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Shouting at the Mic? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should we carry?)

2007-12-29 Thread Toby Deinhardt

Good evening, morning, day or night,


That's why air traffic controllers, emergency service dispatchers and many
others are carefully taught to *never* raise their voices on the air. They
need to be heard, and heard correctly, as quickly as possible. 


I suppose it might be a question of definition of what a raised voice is.

I'll never forget the first time I was in a studio during the 6PM news 
(actually it was shortly before 7PM) and was very surprised at the 
volume which the anchor used to speak. He did not shout (you breath 
differently when you shout) but he talked loudly.


I have heard this time and time again at work over the years, a loud 
voice is better than one which is too low. This does not mean shouting 
or yelling! According the sound techs this has something to do with the 
dynamic range of the speech and allows lower microphone gain, which 
reduces the audio impact of the room surrounding the speaker. Also lower 
microphone gain has the advantage of picking less unwanted noise.


When I referred to shouting I put in quotes on purpose, because I wanted 
to point out that when trying to fish out a week one, even a normal 
level voice will seem like shouting.



vy 73 de toby es HAPPY NEW YEAR
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Re: [Elecraft] Bit the bullet

2007-12-29 Thread WILLIS COOKE
No, its making a commitment.  You don't get to smell
the roses until the K3 actually arrives in four months
or so.  I made the commitment 12/27/07 at about 4 PM
Central time
Cookie, K5EWJ

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> In a message dated 12/29/2007 10:04:34 A.M. Pacific
> Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I placed an order for a K3/100 yesterday. It looks
> like  an April/May 
> delivery, but given all I have heard from this group
> it will be  well 
> worth the wait. Now to sell my OMNI VI+.
> 
> Dennis, K7FL
> Battle  Ground, WA
> 
>  
>  
> That's not 'Biting the bullet", That's 'Smelling the
> Roses"
>  
> 73  de Al WA6VNN
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RE: [Elecraft] rise/fall time: blind-sided

2007-12-29 Thread Greg
IF this changed, it was VERY VERY early on.  I do not remember changing
this, but if I did, it was shortly after the FAQ was first posted.  CW rise
and fall have not been part of the firmware for months.  Elecraft optimised
these settings for best CW performance.

As the FAQ says.  If the need presents itself, the subject will be reviewed
again to put these settings back in the FW.

While FAQ updates were fast and furious following the K3's announcement,
updates recently have been few.  I think the last update I did was to list
the TX INHB pin on the ACCY connector and add the link for the Operating
Tips.

73
Greg
AB7R

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:48 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] rise/fall time: blind-sided


>From the FAQ

[snip]
Can the user adjust the rise and fall time on CW?  If yes, what are the
steps?

The CW settings have been optimized at the factory and will not be
adjustable.  IF a need presents itself to make them adjustable it can
be done in a future firmware revision.
[end snip]

Wow...when did this happen?

The answer used to be YES.  While I"m sure the rise/fall times are
good (as reported by ZV and others, but questioned by EKM), I am
totally surprised that something changed in the FAQ "without
notification."  Or did I miss it?

Since I had personal (private) email exchanges about this (rise/fall
for cw) and saw the adjustability as a "feature" I liked (but did
suggest that the "low end" for the rise time range was too short and
would be clicky), I feel rather "empty."  Not so much because this
"feature" was dropped, but because I don't know what else was
"changed" on the FAQ.  I never did save an original copy.

Is there a list of "deleted features" from the early FAQs available?

Thanks,
de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Test Engineering Group at work

2007-12-29 Thread Craig
Hi Eric

Can you  give us  a  description of your  test lab 
setup and what  various pieces of test equipment  you
use when testing the K3.


Craig
VK3HE


  

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry - boom mics

2007-12-29 Thread AJSOENKE
In a message dated 12/29/2007 4:51:25 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

- Original Message -  
From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Elecraft List"  
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:15  AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Well,  since everyone else seems to be putting their oar in for what they
really  want, I will to.  I use headset/mic combos most of the time if I
operate  SSB (not very often though).  But it would be nice to not have to
use  the headphones for a comfortable QSO.  Problem is, a desk mike just  adds
to the clutter on my desk.  That premium space is already taken up  by a
laptop (or keyboard), my paddle, my pencil/pen, paper, and most  importantly
my coffee cup!  Seriously, am I the only one who has to  shift things around
in front of me while operating?  And wouldn't a desk  mike just add to the
problem?

I would like to see some kind of  gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with the
"IC" element) that would easily  attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
Maybe some sort of brace or bracket  that would clamp across the top of the
K3, and had some sort of quick  release.  It would have to be padded so as to
not mar the K3.  The  gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top of
the bracket, and be a  quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
probably be approx. 24 to  30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
from the rig to, or  near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
speak into  it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place  the
bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the  rear.  Then
you could swing the microphone into position or out of the  way, but it
wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of  you.

Tall order, right?  Yeah, I know--I'm dreaming.  And it  really doesn't
respond very directly to Eric's question.  But I'd buy  something like this
if it were available.  Maybe it already is  somewhere.  I don't keep up very
well with microphone stuff.

Dave  W7AQK

+
 
FWIW, I agree and its not a tall order, it's already available directly  from 
Heil.  _www.heilsound.com_ (http://www.heilsound.com) 
 
I prefer the flexible boom that looks like a piece of conduit, used on many  
lamps and mirrors. There is also a vendor advertised in QST that sells  mobile 
components for mounting control heads that can be adapted to a mic, just  get 
the heil mic for handheld and mount it in a holder then you have 2 in  1  
handheld or boom mount. The heil booms are not real flexible and base  mounted. 
The flex heads I have can be mounted using common electrical/plumbing  supplies 
and can be hung from above (check out the professional talk show  stations) 
or from a side panel.  Also look at Heils professional line , not  just the 
Amateur Radio pages.
 
Check these: _http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdList.asp?off=0&sort=prod_ 
(http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdList.asp?off=0&sort=prod) 
 
 



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Re: [Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 - possible easy fix!

2007-12-29 Thread AJSOENKE
In a message dated 12/29/2007 6:19:25 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The damn bail stand is too  high !!!


 
I've noticed it's a little on the high side for folks with  smaller  hands 
than I. Aside from that, the viewing angle is ideal, which can be a real  
hassle 
when its 'flat'.  I've taken a look at the Bail legs and the plastic  foot 
that holds them.  It appears that with a little tool work (not for  everyone, I 
agree) a notch could be formed on the "outside" of the plastic foot,  similar 
to that on the "inside" except at a lower angle. This would make the  bail 
height selectable depending on which direction the foot was installed. I  may 
try 
this out when I'm not real busy playing Ham.  The feet are common  part so 
I'm not afraid to try.
 
An alternative might be to purchase on of the commonly available wrist pads  
used by computer users to rest the wrist in front of the mouse or keyboard at 
a  higher angle.  The gel types are quite comfortable and come in many sizes  
and the viewing angle is unaffected this way.
 
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[Elecraft] rise/fall time: blind-sided

2007-12-29 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
>From the FAQ

[snip]
Can the user adjust the rise and fall time on CW?  If yes, what are the steps?

The CW settings have been optimized at the factory and will not be
adjustable.  IF a need presents itself to make them adjustable it can
be done in a future firmware revision.
[end snip]

Wow...when did this happen?

The answer used to be YES.  While I"m sure the rise/fall times are
good (as reported by ZV and others, but questioned by EKM), I am
totally surprised that something changed in the FAQ "without
notification."  Or did I miss it?

Since I had personal (private) email exchanges about this (rise/fall
for cw) and saw the adjustability as a "feature" I liked (but did
suggest that the "low end" for the rise time range was too short and
would be clicky), I feel rather "empty."  Not so much because this
"feature" was dropped, but because I don't know what else was
"changed" on the FAQ.  I never did save an original copy.

Is there a list of "deleted features" from the early FAQs available?

Thanks,
de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread AJSOENKE
In a message dated 12/29/2007 1:58:22 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My "Baptism of  Fire" was with MD4K on the IOM in CQWW MM .
Thirty seconds after the contest  started I was in shock..Five 
other operators, all in the same small room  shouting their heads 
off. Transmitting  CQ and callsign, and hearing  the same said by 
others, albeit not quite in sync is quite off-putting  !

That fact they are GOOD OPERATORS was shown in the results table  
when it was published. They managed just fine.

The Heil headsets were  about as good as a "Chocolate Fire Guard", 
however eventually my brain  started filtering out the background 
noise. 

73
Stewart  G3RXQ

++
 
The fact is the QRM is in the shack!! Now picture this:  5 guys all in  a 
room with K3s and DVR active. All audio optimized for best transmitter  
performance and "full quieting" while the contesters concentrate on  listening. 
 We 
shall be so lucky!!! 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Bit the bullet

2007-12-29 Thread AJSOENKE
In a message dated 12/29/2007 10:04:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I placed an order for a K3/100 yesterday. It looks like  an April/May 
delivery, but given all I have heard from this group it will be  well 
worth the wait. Now to sell my OMNI VI+.

Dennis, K7FL
Battle  Ground, WA

 
 
That's not 'Biting the bullet", That's 'Smelling the Roses"
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Why sell accessories?

2007-12-29 Thread Thom LaCosta

At 12:38 PM 12/29/2007, Ken wrote:

"One stop shopping", as in WalMart. All your needs (wants?) under one roof.
One phone call.
One credit card bill. Elecraft  "logo'ed" items, as with the HexKey.
Known to "work" with Elecraft products, W/O "adaptations".
Support for our favorite company.


Does Elecraft offer a power supply? Will I be struck by lightning if 
I use my spare TR7 supply

to power the K3?

Thom  


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[Elecraft] K3: what Power Supply ?

2007-12-29 Thread Benny Aumala

At home station Alinco DM-330MVE (30A).
When portable   Gamma HPS 1A (20Ap, but small and 0,5kg).
Both are switching supplies and clean.

Benny oh9nb
K3/100 #119

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[Elecraft] Re: Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
>> Shouting into the mic might also mean the side tone could be adjusted 
>> differently.  The higher the attenuation of your own voice back into your 
>> ear becomes, the more the brain tells you to raise your voice so you can 
>> hear yourself.  The telephone people worked this out 100 years ago.

Indeed. Unfortunately, some rigs don't provide sidetone (like the K2/KSB2!)

> Interesting thot. I wonder if the lack of side tone is partially responsible
> for many cell phone users to raise their voices. I don't recall hearing most
> folks talk so loudly into desk phones.

You're not the first to wonder this ... it's certainly a contributing
factor. I don't know if anyone has done an actual study...

73 de chris K6DBG
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[Elecraft] KPA100 SWR bridge adjustment 160m & 80m

2007-12-29 Thread Koert Wilmink
Dear all,

Please find my emails to Elecraft support below. Is there maybe somebody with 
additional tips?

Thanks!!

73 Koert PA1KW



-
Hi Gary,

Sorry for my late response, but I had not the opportunity to work on
this earlier. I moved houses and that took longer than expected.

I did check the HV bias and that is 135volts. The diodes are ok and the
voltage on TP4 2mV on receive and 240mv on transmit (tune).
I did connect a good dummyload close to the KPA100.
I did the re-adjustment of the SWR bridge but this provided me not the
required results. The best results with adjusting C1 on 5 Watts is:

160m 1.8-1
80m 1.3-1
40m 1.0-1
30m 1.0-1
20m 1.0-1
18m   1.0-1
15m 1.0-1
12m  1.0-1
10m 1.0-1

Please help..

Best regards and 73,

Koert Wilmink
PA1KW

PS.
All the best for 2008!!

Gary Surrency wrote:

> > Did you check to see that the HV bias at the left side of R11 is at least
> > 100VDC, and the higher it is - the better? I like to see 120-150VDC
> > there.
> > Too little HV bias, or a damaged diode or error in the t-r switch, can
> > allow
> > too much RF to leak through the t-r switch when in transmit at high
> > power.
> > That can cause the KPA100 PA stage to self-oscillate and produce HI
> > CUR and
> > high SWR. The problem will be worse on the lower bands from 160m to 30m,
> > since the RF transistors have higher power gain at lower frequencies
> > and the
> > KPA100 typically will produce higher RF output on the lower bands.
> >
> > If damage has occurred to the MAX1406 RS232 IC, or to any of the parts in
> > the KPA100 t-r switch, it may load down the HV bias too much or allow too
> > much RF leakage through the t-r switch to provide the needed input to
> > output
> > isolation.
> >
> > You must see a low null voltage at TP4 of less than 10 millivolts (on
> > 40m or
> > 80m) when a good 50 ohm dummy load is connected as closely as possible to
> > the KPA100's antenna connectors. Do not have a SWR meter, wattmeter, coax
> > switch, or long cable inserted between the dummy load and the antenna
> > connector on the KPA100. Most rigs will null down to about 1-3 millivolts
> > with a very close and direct connection to the dummy load. Also, the
> > flange
> > of the SO-239 antenna connector should be installed so it is on the rear
> > panel, not on the inside.
> >
> >
> > If the antenna was left connected when there was a thunderstorm nearby,
> > lightning can damage the 1N5711 diodes in the KPA100 SWR sensors.
> >
> > If the diodes are OK, there should be about 98-100K ohms between their
> > cathodes and ground when tested with an ohmmeter. You can do this at the
> > side of the trimmer pots that connect to the diodes too.  Connect the
> > postive ohmmeter lead to the cathode, and the negative lead to a ground
> > point on the tuner.
> >
> > Then, if your meter has a diode test function, there should be about
> > 0.38 to
> > 0.40VDC of diode drop across the 1N5711 diodes, with the + lead to
> > anode, -
> > lead to the cathode.
> >
> > The diodes are easier to replace if one lead is clipped. It can be
> > done from
> > the top of the PCB without removing the heat sink, if you are very
> > careful,
> > have good desoldering tools and skill, and you pretrim and form the
> > leads on
> > the new diodes. Leave a little extra lead length above the PCB for easier
> > soldering.
> >
> > Also check to see if the calibration of the null cap, and the FWD and
> > REFL
> > cal pots still check out OK.
> > While the PA shield is off of the KPA100, be sure to check the
> > tightness of
> > the screws in PA transistors Q1, Q2 as they do tend to loosen.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > 73, Gary AB7MY
> > =
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Elecraft Technical Support   
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Koert Wilmink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03,
> > 2007 1:26 PM
> > To: 'Gary Surrency'
> > Cc: 'CSinfo'
> > Subject: RE: PA1KW: RE: High SWR on 160M and 80M with dummyload
> >
> >
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > Yes I have the new value of C31 installed. It is impossible to lower SWR
> > reading with C1. Other bands are perfectly working well. Any other
> > suggestions?
> >
> > 73 Koert PA1KW
> >
> > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> > Van: Gary Surrency [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: Monday,
> > July 02, 2007 8:34 PM
> > Aan: 'Koert Wilmink'
> > CC: 'CSinfo'
> > Onderwerp: PA1KW: RE: High SWR on 160M and 80M with dummyload
> >
> > Koert,
> >
> > Is C31 in the KPA100 t-r switch the new value of 0.22uF, 63WVDC? This
> > change
> > is specifically to address oscillation and high SWR problems on the lower
> > bands of 160m-30m if there is too much RF feedback through the t-r
> > switch at
> > high power.
> >
> > The new value of C31 (0.22uF, 63WVDC) applies only to late model KPA100
> > kits, or to older ones that have had the KPA100UPKT modifications
> > installed.
> > Info on that mod kit is on our website at:
> >
> > http://www.elecraft.com

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Performance

2007-12-29 Thread Jan Erik Holm

The K3 is NOT free from key clicks, the question might be
how much we accept. Personally I would have liked it better
with the keying "a bit" softer, that is a little bit better
key click performance.
It would have been nice if there was some adjustment allowed,
lets say from 5 ms up to 7 ms or so.

SM2EKM

Vic K2VCO wrote:


The K3's keying is a bit softer than most commercial rigs these days, 
the rise/fall times being about 5 ms. It is easy to copy at any speed 
that I am capable of sending, which is about 45 wpm. I don't think 
harder keying would be helpful until above 60 wpm.


The shape of the K3's keying is excellent from the point of view of 
transmitted bandwidth (that is, key clicks), something which can NOT be 
said of many other radios. The ARRL test reports now include a "worst 
case spectral display" of CW emission which shows the results of key 
clicks, phase noise, etc., and I imagine that the K3's graph will be 
superior to almost anything else out there.


To my ear the CW keying is absolutely perfect, the way I would adjust it 
if I could adjust it. I believe that Wayne intends to make it possible 
to change the rise/fall times, so the 65+ wpm operators may want to do 
that!


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[Elecraft] Hidden ESD Dangers (WAS: K3 Technicians.....)

2007-12-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The key to being ESD-safe is there being a conductive path between the pins
of any ESD-sensitive part so that all the pins stay at the *same* potential.
That's not always true when the parts are mounted on the pc boards. 

When a part is put into the circuit, normally incidental d-c paths are
provided through the various signal and power circuits so it is now
relatively ESD-safe. 

However, when the board is unplugged from the rig, the circuit paths through
the connector(s) are now broken. Frequently that leaves ESD parts mounted on
the board with open pins that are just as vulnerable as if the individual
parts were being handled separately. 

There are even some circuits in which the pc board circuits do not provide a
d-c path for ESD sensitive parts, even when the board is plugged into the
rig, so that a touch on a certain trace is as dangerous as handling the
loose part. 

Ron AC7AC 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Technicians.....

2007-12-29 Thread DW Holtman

Hello,

Also, once the boards are stuffed and the techs are not handling sensitive 
components the ESD risk is greatly reduced. Once a device in soldered in the 
board, the grounds from the chip to the board ground help a lot in reducing 
the ESD problems.


However, some devices will work intermittently after being hit by static. It 
can punch a hole in the FET and seem good, but fail down the road.


Best,
DW Holtman
WB7SSN
- Original Message - 
From: "Jay Bromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "John Klewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Technicians.


I bet those blue mats under the rigs are anti static ones hooked up to a 
ground bus of some sort?


73 de w5jay/jay..





And not an ESD wrist strap visible anywhere.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Has anyone seen these pics yet:
_http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/_ (http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/) 
Looks like Elecraft has at least 3 Techs working on getting those units 
out! I wouldn't mind doing that

if they were in NC!  It would be much cheaper for them to operate  here:)
Looks like they are still in Production Run#1 though with the "orders 
with  deposits":(


Michael
N2ZDB

.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Technicians.....

2007-12-29 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Absolutely! We also have wrist straps at each station which are used 
when handling bare boards and static sensitive components. The tech's 
also are continually in contact with the mat and grounded test gear.


73, Eric


Jay Bromley wrote:
I bet those blue mats under the rigs are anti static ones hooked up to 
a ground bus of some sort?


73 de w5jay/jay.

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[Elecraft] Weller WCC100

2007-12-29 Thread Greg Beat
This is an informational post for owners of the Weller WCC100 soldering station.
Some Elecraft builders have used this soldering station for building their kits.

This is the BLUE colored station that was sold by Weller until 1999, when it 
was discontinued

The Weller WLC100, which is an ORANGE colored station, is totally DIFFERENT as 
far as electronics and tips that it uses.
=== 
The Weller WCC100 is a temperature controlled soldering station that Weller 
sold in 1990s, until it was discontinued by Weller in 1999. 
I am collecting pertinent documentation for this Weller station (including the 
Tech Sheet) that will eventually be available electronically (likely through 
BAMA).
This station uses the Weller “ET” series soldering tips, which are used on a 
number of current Weller soldering stations.  The WES51 soldering station 
replaced the WCC100.

The WCC100 soldering station is a line voltage ( 120 VAC) station.
It has no isolation transformer and the control board is connected directly to 
line voltage (no fuse, surge protection or safety capacitor).  The control 
board monitors the thermocouple (temperature sensor) and 120 VAC heater.

Parts numbers for Weller WCC100 solder station

WCC101 – Replacement Iron w/ETA tip
WCC102 – Replacement Heater (120 V)
WCC103 – Temperature Sensor w/Spring
WCC104 – Sponge 
WCC105 – Spring and Funnel Assembly
WCC106 – Control Board
WCC108 - Weller Barrel Nut
SW120 – Switch (Carling LRA series illuminated rocker)
ET series tips - widely available and used in Weller WES51, "EC" and Silver 
Series stations


WCC102 heater has a resistance of about 348 to 350 ohms at room temperature (27 
C)

WCC103 temperature sensor has a resistance of about 1 to 2 ohms at room 
temperature (27 C)
This resistance increases (thermocouple) as the temperature rises -- the 
control board then compares this to the temperature set by the user 
(potentiometer).  A "zero-crossing" circuit then turns off the heater (usually 
via a Triac or transistor switch) -- when the temperature is reached and turns 
the heater back on, when the temperature drops below this point. 

I acquired a WCC100 soldering station, via eBay, that was non-functional in 
December 2007. 
The temperature sensor (WCC103) had failed (open - infinite resistance) in this 
station’s iron.  Some parts are becoming more difficult to obtain for this 
station, since Weller discontinued it over 8 years ago.

IF you have a dead WCC100 station, now is the time to get it repaired, unless 
you are scrapping it 
(I will accept these donations).

These Distributors have Weller WCC100 parts “in stock”, as of December 2007

Allied Electronics 
http://www.alliedelec.com/default.asp

WCC103 Temperature Sensor (115 units in stock)
Allied part number: 984-2267, price: $ 7.30
==
Santa Cruz Electronics
http://www.santacruzelectronics.com/forms/Query.cfm?q_class=TOOLS%20

WCC102 – Replacement Heater (120 V) - $ 21.34
WCC104 – Replacement Sponge - $ 1.50
WCC106 – Control Board - $ 5.74
WCC108 - Weller Barrel Nut - $ 7.52
==
GC Electronics (available at any GC Electronics reseller or retailer)
SW120 - Replacement Illuminated Rocker switch 
GC Electronics part number 35-3740 - $ 3.00

Carling Curvette LRA series - LRA211C.
LRA211: 125V Neon Lamp; 16A 125VAC; .250 QC Tabs; 
OFF-NONE-ON (SPST); Red Transparent, Black bezel.

==
Greg
W9GB

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Fw: [Elecraft] K3 Performance

2007-12-29 Thread David Yarnes



Oh yes.  Perhaps I should have mentioned that.  I do have the KBPF3
installed--and the 6 khz filter also.  From about 750 khz or so the radio is
very good.  It's just that bottom 200 khz or so that it seems to drop off.

Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hammond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Performance

If you don't have the KBPF3 (general coverage BPF) installed, the K3 is 
quite
"DEAF" outside the ham bands, and EXTREMELY DEAF if you go REALLY FAR 
outside

the ham bands.

73,

Tom   N0SS



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Performance

2007-12-29 Thread Vic K2VCO

David Yarnes wrote:

One fellow I worked early on with my K3 said it sounded very good, but 
he thought the keying was a little "soft".  Now, I tend to respect this 
guy's opinion, as he is what I consider to be a first class CW op and 
homebrewer, but I'm not sure I agree with him on this.  He is pretty 
"finicky", and may have been overly critical, but I've worked 8 or 10 
other K3's so far, and I rather like how they sound.


The K3's keying is a bit softer than most commercial rigs these days, 
the rise/fall times being about 5 ms. It is easy to copy at any speed 
that I am capable of sending, which is about 45 wpm. I don't think 
harder keying would be helpful until above 60 wpm.


The shape of the K3's keying is excellent from the point of view of 
transmitted bandwidth (that is, key clicks), something which can NOT be 
said of many other radios. The ARRL test reports now include a "worst 
case spectral display" of CW emission which shows the results of key 
clicks, phase noise, etc., and I imagine that the K3's graph will be 
superior to almost anything else out there.


To my ear the CW keying is absolutely perfect, the way I would adjust it 
if I could adjust it. I believe that Wayne intends to make it possible 
to change the rise/fall times, so the 65+ wpm operators may want to do that!

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Technicians.....

2007-12-29 Thread Jay Bromley
I bet those blue mats under the rigs are anti static ones hooked up to a 
ground bus of some sort?


73 de w5jay/jay..





And not an ESD wrist strap visible anywhere.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Has anyone seen these pics yet:
_http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/_ (http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/) 
Looks like Elecraft has at least 3 Techs working on getting those units 
out! I wouldn't mind doing that

if they were in NC!  It would be much cheaper for them to operate  here:)
Looks like they are still in Production Run#1 though with the "orders 
with  deposits":(


Michael
N2ZDB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 operating tip: RTTY operation without a computer

2007-12-29 Thread David Yarnes
You are dating yourself John!  Unfortunately, that's the way I remember it 
too!  It also meant "loose suspenders mean falling trousers"!


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: "John [K7SVV]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Larry K1UO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 operating tip: RTTY operation without a computer


And I thought that it meant "Lord Save Me From Truman" but that was a long 
time ago.


John[K7SVV]

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[Elecraft] Re: K1 band and VFO span choices

2007-12-29 Thread Mike Morrow
Carl,

There is no more interesting QRP band than 15m when it is open.
When 15m is not open, often 17m will not be open.  IMHO, 15m is
clearly the better choice over 17m for the KFL1-4.  Of course,
if you were really set on having both 17m and 15m, the KFL1-4
in reality supports 40m, 30m, and any two of the 20m, 17m, and
15m bands.  But few would ever want to give up 20m coverage.

I built a 80m/17m two-band KFL1-2 board for the other two official
K1 bands.  I use it infrequently, for the K1 is not really designed
for frequent filter board swaps, especially if you have the KAT1
antenna tuner board installed.

I use the "150 kHz" VFO span.  Actually, you'll get 170 kHz.  The
R19 I mentioned several days ago does a pretty good job of linearizing
VFO tuning, so you'll get about 17 kHz for every full turn of the
VFO pot.  With the "80 kHz" VFO span, you'll get about 9 kHz per turn.

But 17 kHz/turn is *NOT* at all a very high tuning rate!  The only reason
that some find it to be "touchy" is because the VFO pot shaft has very,
very little resistence to rotation.  It is very easy to disturb the
pot setting when you remove your fingers from the knob.  The results
from this are just more apparent for the 17 kHz/turn option, but I'd
consider it objectionable even if I were using the lower option.
Fortunately, the problem of too little VFO shaft turn resistence is
easily fixed by putting some home-cut thin felt "washers" between the
back of the VFO knob and the front panel. 

The "150 kHz" option allows:
(1) WWV at 10 MHz to be tuned on the 30m band,
(2) Greater coverage of what remains of the CW segments,
(3) Cross-mode (CW-LSB) contacts in the 40m band.

The K1 receiver functions in LSB mode on all bands.  There is now
considerable overlap of K1 coverage into the 40m LSB phone band.

PS:  Did you resolve the issue of the "extra" 100k-ohm resistor?

PPS:  I've found the months of K3 delivery schedule grumbling
amusing.  I ordered and paid for my K1 after it was first shown
at Dayton in May 2000.  Delivery finally happened in late November
2000.  I don't remember anyone complaining about that six-month
K1 inital delivery delay, even though the K1 is far far less
complex than a K3.  It was worth every second of the wait!

73,
Mike / KK5F
K1 SN 175
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 on Digital Modes

2007-12-29 Thread David Fleming
Yep.. Same here. Except I'm using W7AY's very wonderful CocoaModem software on 
my iMac. It couldn't be any simpler. Two audio cables and a little bit of setup 
on the K3. It took about 5 minutes to get it all going.

I think I'll put K3-Enabling of CocoaModem on my to-do list.

David, W4SMT

Lyle Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While working on DSP code for you know 
what, I currently have my K3 
connected to the shack desktop computer using just a pair of 3.5mm 
(1/8") stereo patch cables.  The various radio <-> computer interfaces I 
purchased for my other rigs are gathering dust, along with the rigs. 
The K3's internal, isolated soundcard interface is working perfectly.  I 
activate VOX for the digital modes on the K3.  No other cables required.

I am running Ham Radio Deluxe with its companion Digital Master 780 
(thank you, Simon!).  K3 set to DATA A, width to 2.8 kHz, radio tuned to 
14.070.  Lots of PSK activity on 20m... but wait, what're those weird 
signal patterns I see on upper edge of the waterfall?

Tune to 14.072.  The HRD/DM780 software is K3-enabled, so the re-tune is 
done right from the computer.

Now a quick scroll through the various modes and I see it is an Olivia 
QSO.  Signals are pretty weak, but the text is clear.

That QSO has ended and a slightly different pattern has emerged.  Ah! 
That is MFSK16.  A click of the mouse and it is decoding nicely.  I see 
one of the parties in this QSO is 83 yrs old!

I sometimes hear people say that setting up for or operating digital 
modes can be difficult, but this is dead easy.

K3... two standard audio cables... HRD+DM780.  It doesn't get much 
simpler than this!

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 operating tip: RTTY operation without a computer

2007-12-29 Thread John [K7SVV]
And I thought that it meant "Lord Save Me From Truman" but that was a long 
time ago.


John[K7SVV]

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 (If you're of a certain age, remember the mnemonic
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 I thought LSMFT meant "Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco?"  <;^)

Sorry...carry on!
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RE: [Elecraft] Heil Mike Connection

2007-12-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

> I would appreciate information on using the Heil CC-1K8 cable 
> with the GM-5 mike.  Is the CC-1K8 (red) cable compatable with 
> the K3 mike connector using the GM-5 mike without changing the 
> Heil connector pinout?

Based on the published specifications the answer is "Yes" if 
you turn off any electret bias in the K3 menu.  The CC-1K cable 
is not designed for use with any electret mics so pins 5 and 6 
are open.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 




> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Morris
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Mike Connection
> 
> 
> There has been so much said about the Kenwood mike pinout for 
> the K3 (especially pins 5 and 6).  I would appreciate 
> information on using the Heil CC-1K8 cable with the GM-5 
> mike.  Is the CC-1K8 (red) cable compatable with the K3 mike 
> connector using the GM-5 mike without changing the Heil 
> connector pinout?  Thanks.   Roy Morris  W4WFB


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 operating tip: RTTY operation without a computer

2007-12-29 Thread Larry K1UO


 
>  (If you're of a certain age, remember the mnemonic
> LSMFT - Low Space Makes Fine Teletype.)


  I thought LSMFT meant "Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco?"  <;^)

Sorry...carry on!
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[Elecraft] Bit the bullet

2007-12-29 Thread Phil & Debbie Salas
I have the MFJ-4125 that I use with my IC-706MKIIG when portable, a MFJ-4225 
that I use on my test bench, and a MFJ-4245 that I use to power all my ham 
station accessories, and will power a K3 eventually.  All power supplies are 
very RF-quiet.  I don't have any Elecraft gear yet (K3 is on order).


I do show a mod for the MFJ-4125 on my website (www.ad5x.com) where I added 
Powerpoles to the back-side.


Phil - AD5X 


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[Elecraft] K3 on Digital Modes

2007-12-29 Thread Lyle Johnson
While working on DSP code for you know what, I currently have my K3 
connected to the shack desktop computer using just a pair of 3.5mm 
(1/8") stereo patch cables.  The various radio <-> computer interfaces I 
purchased for my other rigs are gathering dust, along with the rigs. 
The K3's internal, isolated soundcard interface is working perfectly.  I 
activate VOX for the digital modes on the K3.  No other cables required.


I am running Ham Radio Deluxe with its companion Digital Master 780 
(thank you, Simon!).  K3 set to DATA A, width to 2.8 kHz, radio tuned to 
14.070.  Lots of PSK activity on 20m... but wait, what're those weird 
signal patterns I see on upper edge of the waterfall?


Tune to 14.072.  The HRD/DM780 software is K3-enabled, so the re-tune is 
done right from the computer.


Now a quick scroll through the various modes and I see it is an Olivia 
QSO.  Signals are pretty weak, but the text is clear.


That QSO has ended and a slightly different pattern has emerged.  Ah! 
That is MFSK16.  A click of the mouse and it is decoding nicely.  I see 
one of the parties in this QSO is 83 yrs old!


I sometimes hear people say that setting up for or operating digital 
modes can be difficult, but this is dead easy.


K3... two standard audio cables... HRD+DM780.  It doesn't get much 
simpler than this!


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Performance

2007-12-29 Thread w6jd
The QSB button IS coming. Add second receiver, antenna of opposite
polarization, and WHAMMO diversity reception...QSB greatly reduced.

Doug, W6JD
K2/100 #1626
K3/100 #23

-- Original message -- 
From: "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Things have really been hectic here over the holidays, and more to come. 
> But I did get several chances to give my K3 a little exercise. The main 
> problem is that the bands have been pretty lousy--at least here at my QTH. 
> The QSB is horrible, and most QSO's end up being pretty short lived. The K3 
> has great QRM fighting tools, and great QRN fighting tools, but I just can't 
> find a QSB button anywhere! 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Technicians.....

2007-12-29 Thread John Klewer

And not an ESD wrist strap visible anywhere.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Has anyone seen these pics yet:

_http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/_ (http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/) 

Looks like Elecraft has at least 3 Techs working on getting those units  out! 
I wouldn't mind doing that

if they were in NC!  It would be much cheaper for them to operate  here:)

Looks like they are still in Production Run#1 though with the "orders with  
deposits":(



Michael
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Re: [Elecraft] Bit the bullet

2007-12-29 Thread DW Holtman

Hello,

I also placed an order yesterday for a K-3/100 Kit and a KPFB3 General 
Coverage Filter. They told me April.


Now, I'm going to locate a Power supply and Mic. I have lots of time to find 
what I want. I have been following the Mic thread here closely.


Has anyone here used the MFJ switching power supplies on K2/K3 gear. I used 
one in the past on a Drake TR-7 and it worked great. I know the older 
switching power supplies were noisy.


Best,
DW Holtman
WB7SSN

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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Bit the bullet


I placed an order for a K3/100 yesterday. It looks like an April/May 
delivery, but given all I have heard from this group it will be well worth 
the wait. Now to sell my OMNI VI+.


Dennis, K7FL
Battle Ground, WA

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Re: [Elecraft] Heil Mike Connection

2007-12-29 Thread Don Wilhelm

Roy,

Most of us on the Elecraft reflector *could* venture a guess about the 
pinouts of that cord you asked about, but I believe a better way to get 
a well informed answer is to send is note to HeilSound and specifically 
ask what the pinouts are.  Bob and his crew *should* know the correct 
answer.


Once you know the pinout for the cord, you can compare that to the 
Elecraft mic pinout and draw your own conclusions about its workability.


73,
Don W3FPR

Roy Morris wrote:

There has been so much said about the Kenwood mike pinout for the K3 
(especially pins 5 and 6).  I would appreciate information on using the Heil 
CC-1K8 cable with the GM-5 mike.  Is the CC-1K8 (red) cable compatable with the 
K3 mike connector using the GM-5 mike without changing the Heil connector 
pinout?  Thanks.   Roy Morris  W4WFB

  

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[Elecraft] Bit the bullet

2007-12-29 Thread Dennis Ashworth
I placed an order for a K3/100 yesterday. It looks like an April/May 
delivery, but given all I have heard from this group it will be well 
worth the wait. Now to sell my OMNI VI+.


Dennis, K7FL
Battle Ground, WA

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 VFO selection (was Band selection) -Friendlyopinions

2007-12-29 Thread Sandy
I set mine up at first for 80 khz.  Tuning rate is just about right.  Since 
later I was doing some net work with it on 80 meters and above 7100 on 40, I 
later changed it to 150 Khz.  The tuning is "OK" on 150 but very "touchy" 
and requires a more careful manipulation of the knob!  I will probably 
change it back to 80 khz. now that the FCC has "in its' infinite wisdom" 
rearranged the CW segments on 80 radically.


My recommendation would be to stay with 80 khz.

73,

Sandy W5TVW
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:54 AM
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selection) -Friendlyopinions





"Another reason is that they are relatively narrow (30, 17 and 12 meters 
together are only 250 kHz, which is narrower than any other single Region 
2 HF amateur band)."


This comment brings to mind another question about the K1.

What are your thoughts on the VFO spread,  80 vs 150 KHz.

I'm leaning toward the 80KHz,  - what has been the experience of those on 
the list that have chosen 150KHz?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Technicians.....

2007-12-29 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Has anyone seen these pics yet:

_http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/_ (http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/)


One can only ponder why the background tech is scratching his pate.

It's really encouraging that you can see the walls are not make of and/or coated 
with rubber, and that the industrial psychologists didn't convince them to have 
soothing pink.



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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski

Jim,

   I can think of a few good reasons, the first is "one stop shopping." 
That is, convenience. The second is, if the radio manufacture caries a 
compatible product, you are assured that it will be configured correctly 
and have the same general quality and performance levels. And while yes, 
you could go direct to the manufacture, it's sometimes nice to have that 
little funky "E" on an OEM version of the same thing. Every time you 
raise a Icon, Yaesu, Kenwood or other "branded" mike to use it, the one 
thing you'll be reminded of is the manufacturer. I would expect that 
none of them make their own elements. I think the advertising value of 
an OEM microphone alone is worth the trouble.


   ... IMNSHO (In My Not So Humble Opinion)...

   Regards,

   kurtt

   Kurt Pawlikowski, AKA WB9FMC
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   http://pinrod.com

Jim McDonald wrote:

Why carry any microphones (or keys, for that matter)?  Why act as a retailer
for any standard accessories that can be purchased from dealers or the
manufacturer?  It seems a distraction to me. 


Jim N7US
 
 


-Original Message-


Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?


Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ




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Re: [Elecraft] K1 VFO selection (was Band selection) -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread Carl Strode


"Another reason is that they are relatively narrow (30, 17 and 12 meters 
together are only 250 kHz, which is narrower than any other single Region 2 HF 
amateur band)." 
  


This comment brings to mind another question about the K1.

What are your thoughts on the VFO spread,  80 vs 150 KHz.

I'm leaning toward the 80KHz,  - what has been the experience of those 
on the list that have chosen 150KHz?


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[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Test Engineering Group at work

2007-12-29 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Here 's a link to some pictures of our test engineering group cranking 
out K3s. :-) 
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/elecraft_k3_test_lab.htm


This should give you a feel for our test station set up. All of the 
Agilent/HP test equipment and the K3 under final test is controlled from 
a PC test program written by Brian, W6FVI. This significantly speeds our 
final test, alignment, MDS testing etc.


Rene, Dale, Vic and Brian (not pictured) are a dedicated group. I was 
just in the office this morning and it was getting crowded in the lab!


73, Eric   WA6HHQ

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread Sandy
If you do contesting...obvious choice is 15 meters!  There isn't that much 
casual CW on 17 meters.  I would pick 15 meters anyday if you are 
interestedin the most active of the two bands when they are open.


Hams nowadays don't even try to make contacts if they think the higher bands 
are not open.  If they hear no activity, they assume the band is not open or 
dead...in many cases it is open to somewhere, even in times of low sunspot 
numbers!


The same "modern" logic is applied to 160 and 80 meters if there is weather 
QRN.  I have had many good QSO's when the atmospheric noises were 10-20 db 
over S9.  At other times it was a washout, but people don't seem to be as 
persistant now as they used to be years ago.  Just a little QRN makes them 
think the lower bands are useless.


73,

Sandy W5TV W
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions



A brand new K1 is awaiting my soldering iron.

For the past week I've been agonizing over band selection

15 meters or 17 meters?


What's yer guess folks?  Which band will be best when the sunspots return?

Carl
WA7CS



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[Elecraft] K3 Technicians.....

2007-12-29 Thread N2ZDB
Has anyone seen these pics yet:
 
_http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/_ (http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/) 
 
Looks like Elecraft has at least 3 Techs working on getting those units  out! 
I wouldn't mind doing that
if they were in NC!  It would be much cheaper for them to operate  here:)
 
Looks like they are still in Production Run#1 though with the "orders with  
deposits":(
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 !!!

2007-12-29 Thread Ken Kopp

An alternate stand is available for the K2, so perhaps
the same will be true for the K3 ... after the dust settles.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 12/29/07 11:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:


> The "WARC" bands (including 17 meters) are great, but the simple truth is
> they are not as well populated as the old standbys (10, 15, 20, 40, 80,
> 160). I think that's due, in part, to the popularity of multi-band coax-fed
> antennas. 

Yes, and that's a major reason for hams who have limited antenna resources 
(lot size, high supports, space on the tower, etc.) 

Of course the classic dipole-fed-with-ladder-line and end-fed-random-wire 
antennas can be made to work on those bands easily - if you can put one up.

But there are other reasons.

One biggie IMHO is that they are not included in contests, so they don't get 
the exposure that contests generate, and the big gun contesters do not build 
stations for those bands.

Another reason is that they are relatively narrow (30, 17 and 12 meters 
together are only 250 kHz, which is narrower than any other single Region 2 HF 
amateur band). Plus 30 meters is CW/data only in the USA.

There's also the fact that their propagation isn't much different from the 
adjacent bands, with the possible exception of 30 meters.

73 de Jim, N2EY


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 12/29/07 10:32:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:


> Why carry any microphones (or keys, for that matter)?  Why act as a 
> retailer
> for any standard accessories that can be purchased from dealers or the
> manufacturer?

Two reasons:

1) You can make one big order rather than a couple of smaller orders.

2) You are guaranteed that the unit you buy will work with your Elecraft rig. 


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[Elecraft] Why sell accessories?

2007-12-29 Thread Ken Kopp
"One stop shopping", as in WalMart. 
All your needs (wants?) under one roof.  
One phone call.
One credit card bill. 
Elecraft  "logo'ed" items, as with the HexKey.  
Known to "work" with Elecraft products, W/O "adaptations".

Support for our favorite company.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP

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[Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread Dave G4AON

Karl

My choice was 40/30/20/15 for the four band board, plus a two band board 
with 80/40 for the winter months. Beware, calibration will need to be 
re-done when changing boards if you have 40m available on both boards 
due to crystal tolerances between the boards. An old tip from another 
poster to the reflector is to put a rubber band through each of the 
stand off spacers to hold them in place on the long bolts while changing 
band boards (applies to a K1 with ATU).


73 Dave, G4AON
K1 #1154

A brand new K1 is awaiting my soldering iron.

For the past week I've been agonizing over band selection

15 meters or 17 meters?

What's yer guess folks? Which band will be best when the sunspots return?

Carl
WA7CS
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[Elecraft] Heil Mike Connection

2007-12-29 Thread Roy Morris
There has been so much said about the Kenwood mike pinout for the K3 
(especially pins 5 and 6).  I would appreciate information on using the Heil 
CC-1K8 cable with the GM-5 mike.  Is the CC-1K8 (red) cable compatable with the 
K3 mike connector using the GM-5 mike without changing the Heil connector 
pinout?  Thanks.   Roy Morris  W4WFB
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread cstoverva



Carl,



I recently completed my K1-4 and faced the same issue.  Here is how I 
dealt with it.  I set it up for 17M, then went on line and ordered a 
80/15 two band filter board.  Problem solved. HI!




Chuck  K4QS





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Subject: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions



















A brand new K1 is awaiting my soldering iron.





For the past week I've been agonizing over band selection





15 meters or 17 meters?







What's yer guess folks?  Which band will be best when the sunspots 
return?






Carl



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[Elecraft] Shouting at the Mic? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should we carry?)

2007-12-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's good your operators did well, but there's strong evidence their success
was in spite of their voice technique, not because of it. 

I based my comments on extensive studies done by military and commercial
services that showed that a raised, strained voice reduces communications
efficiency, especially in a stressful situation. 

That's why air traffic controllers, emergency service dispatchers and many
others are carefully taught to *never* raise their voices on the air. They
need to be heard, and heard correctly, as quickly as possible. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
My "Baptism of Fire" was with MD4K on the IOM in CQWW MM . Thirty seconds
after the contest started I was in shock..Five 
other operators, all in the same small room shouting their heads 
off. Transmitting  CQ and callsign, and hearing the same said by 
others, albeit not quite in sync is quite off-putting !

That fact they are GOOD OPERATORS was shown in the results table 
when it was published. They managed just fine.

The Heil headsets were about as good as a "Chocolate Fire Guard", 
however eventually my brain started filtering out the background 
noise. 

73
Stewart G3RXQ


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RE: [Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 !!!

2007-12-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Clearly Elecraft needs to introduce an adjustable "Whoopee" cushion for your
chair so you can change the air pressure to adjust your height at the
operating desk. 

Maybe it can be firmware-controlled based on mode - reaching for mic or
reaching for key - as well as the tuning knob...

Don't hold your breath though. In spite of popular demand they never did
come up with the Champagne dispenser for the K2 that produced a filled glass
whenever a new DXCC entity was worked. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
The damn bail stand is too high !!!
I'm getting RSI from tuning around the almost dead bands here in VK6 !!
Seriously though, without the stand its too low and with it its too high.
Isnt it great that after having it for only 8 days thats the only 
serious critisism I can come up with !
Happy New Year to all
73
Keith

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Chairman WIA VK6 Advisory Committee.

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RE: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Depends upon which band is "open". 

The "WARC" bands (including 17 meters) are great, but the simple truth is
they are not as well populated as the old standbys (10, 15, 20, 40, 80,
160). I think that's due, in part, to the popularity of multi-band coax-fed
antennas. Those antennas that cover the WARC bands (12, 17, and 30 meters)
are less common and more expensive. And there are still a significant number
of old "pre-WARC" rigs out there that don't cover those bands. Of course
that will slowly change, just as the "new" 15 meter band slowly became a
"standard" after its introduction in the 1950's. 

If I had to make that choice, I'd take 15 meters in a moment because:

1) As the spots return it'll be open more often. Sunspots provide for a
higher MUF, so the MUF will cross 21 MHz more often than 25 MHz. Indeed,
that's true now.  

2) There are more stations on 15 meters.

For the *best* DX conditions, one wants to be working very close to the MUF,
not just "below" the MUF. That's what makes the added bands so great when
you can QSY to follow it. So for chasing maximum DX perhaps the 17 meters
might provide a small advantage *when* conditions are right, but if I were
limited to one or the other, I'd stay with 15.

Either way you're going to have a lot of fun with that K1, Carl! 

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
A brand new K1 is awaiting my soldering iron.

For the past week I've been agonizing over band selection

15 meters or 17 meters?


What's yer guess folks?  Which band will be best when the sunspots return?

Carl
WA7CS


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 performance - soft keying and linear key output

2007-12-29 Thread Bill W4ZV



I've just done some measurements with my K3... CW waveform rise and fall 
times are both 5 mS (and doesn't alter when the speed is changed with 
the internal keyer), which some would consider a bit soft - although my 
measured bandwidth for 20 wpm keying at 100 Watts of RF is +/- 500 Hz at 
70 dB below peak output, which is probably as clean as it gets.

Elecraft has chosen not to allow users to adjust Rise/Fall times
although 
I suspect they remain open to input on the issue.  This is not necessarily
a bad thing!  The IC-7800, Orion and FT-2000 all allow adjustment, but
they ALL set default times that are guaranteed to generate key clicks.

The problem seems to be that the stated Rise/Fall times in their 
menus are actually about twice actual.  Thus setting 5 ms in will generate
measured Rise/Fall times of ~3 ms and hence key clicks.  To tame Orion 
you must set 7-8 ms which generates an actual waveform with Rise/Fall 
in the area of 4 ms.

Kudos to Elecraft for NOT shipping the K3 in a default state that is
guaranteed to cause key clicks!

 73,  Bill  W4ZV
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RE: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread Bill Gerth
Carl,
15 and 17 have very similar propagation characteristics although 17 is open
more right now as we are still in the low part of the sunspot cycle.  As the
sunspots return, you'll find 15 will be extremely active during contest
week-ends while 17 is a "contest-free" zone.  Just depends upon what you
plan to do with your K1.  The good news is that your K1 is a great radio on
either band!
73, BILL, W4RK

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

A brand new K1 is awaiting my soldering iron.

For the past week I've been agonizing over band selection

15 meters or 17 meters?


What's yer guess folks?  Which band will be best when the sunspots return?

Carl
WA7CS



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[Elecraft] K3 performance - soft keying and linear key output

2007-12-29 Thread Dave G4AON
I've just done some measurements with my K3... CW waveform rise and fall 
times are both 5 mS (and doesn't alter when the speed is changed with 
the internal keyer), which some would consider a bit soft - although my 
measured bandwidth for 20 wpm keying at 100 Watts of RF is +/- 500 Hz at 
70 dB below peak output, which is probably as clean as it gets. The time 
delay between the linear keying line going low and RF appearing from the 
antenna socket is 10 mS.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
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Re: [Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 !!!

2007-12-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Perhaps, as an option in the future, Elecraft can make a lower stand - looks
like the same stand I got for the XV144.


On 29/12/07 14:18, "Keith Bainbridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> The damn bail stand is too high !!!
> I'm getting RSI from tuning around the almost dead bands here in VK6 !!
> Seriously though, without the stand its too low and with it its too high.
> Isnt it great that after having it for only 8 days thats the only
> serious critisism I can come up with !
> Happy New Year to all
> 73
> Keith

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RE: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread Jim McDonald
Why carry any microphones (or keys, for that matter)?  Why act as a retailer
for any standard accessories that can be purchased from dealers or the
manufacturer?  It seems a distraction to me. 

Jim N7US
 
 

-Original Message-


Since the K3 is also compatible with the other Heil Proset boom mic 
headsets that use the HC4 and HC5 elements, which model does everyone 
like? Any favorite models?

Its not practical for us to carry them all, but I'd like to add at least 
one or two of the more popular versions to our product list.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ




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[Elecraft] K1 band selection -Friendly opinions

2007-12-29 Thread Carl Strode

A brand new K1 is awaiting my soldering iron.

For the past week I've been agonizing over band selection

15 meters or 17 meters?


What's yer guess folks?  Which band will be best when the sunspots return?

Carl
WA7CS



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Re: [Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 !!!

2007-12-29 Thread David Pratt

In a recent message, Keith Bainbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ...

The damn bail stand is too high !!!
I'm getting RSI from tuning around the almost dead bands here in VK6 !!
Seriously though, without the stand its too low and with it its too high.


I think Wayne has the height of the bail in mind for a future software 
update, Keith.  No doubt we shall find that the height is adjustable 
from the configuration menu ;-)


73
--
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Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread David Yarnes
Yes, you are right that  it could be done that way, and I have thought about 
that.  But I do appreciate the suggestion.  However, I would really like 
something that is more portable and could  travel with the K3.  I consider 
the K3 to be a very portable radio, and I intend to take it with me whenever 
practical.  I am thinking about something smaller and lighter than some sort 
of desk attachment arrangement which would probably have a heavier gooseneck 
as well.  Kenwood, I think, makes a small desk microphone with a small 
diameter gooseneck and small cartridge housing.  I would like something 
along that line if possible--small, lightweight, and easily transported. 
Being able to attach it somehow to the rig seemed a good idea to me as it 
could eliminate the need for a base or heavy table clamp arrangement.


Dave W7AQK

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From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?



What about a Heil with a desk mounted boom - the boom can mount direct to
the desk or be clamped on, at the back and 'lean over'


On 29/12/07 12:49, "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

I would like to see some kind of gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with 
the

"IC" element) that would easily attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
Maybe some sort of brace or bracket that would clamp across the top of 
the
K3, and had some sort of quick release.  It would have to be padded so as 
to
not mar the K3.  The gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top 
of

the bracket, and be a quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
probably be approx. 24 to 30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
from the rig to, or near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
speak into it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place 
the
bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the rear. 
Then

you could swing the microphone into position or out of the way, but it
wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of you.


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intelligence!





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[Elecraft] K3 Performance

2007-12-29 Thread David Yarnes
Things have really been hectic here over the holidays, and more to come. 
But I did get several chances to give my K3 a little exercise.  The main 
problem is that the bands have been pretty lousy--at least here at my QTH. 
The QSB is horrible, and most QSO's end up being pretty short lived.  The K3 
has great QRM fighting tools, and great QRN fighting tools, but I just can't 
find a QSB button anywhere!


I'm really impressed with the DSP features on the K3.  It's taking some time 
to get really familiar with the best way to set things up, but without 
question it works, and works well.  And I think the K3 has be best noise 
blanker I ever used.  It sure does a number on the chinese radar problem.  I 
made a couple of short comparisons with my Orion II.  The DSP on the K3 has 
it all over the Orion.  I think weak signal reception is better as well. 
Even the QSK seems better on the K3.


One fellow I worked early on with my K3 said it sounded very good, but he 
thought the keying was a little "soft".  Now, I tend to respect this guy's 
opinion, as he is what I consider to be a first class CW op and homebrewer, 
but I'm not sure I agree with him on this.  He is pretty "finicky", and may 
have been overly critical, but I've worked 8 or 10 other K3's so far, and I 
rather like how they sound.


I'm also pretty impressed with the built in ATU.  I'm having no problem with 
excursions all across 40 meters, and I'm using an R7 vertical.  The ATU in 
my older Mark V wouldn't handle the phone portion of 40 meters (the R7 is 
optimized for the CW portion of the band), but the K3's ATU gets it down to 
1.1 to 1, and fairly quickly.  Heck, I was even able to load the R7 on 75 
and 80 meters, and that antenna isn't supposed to even work there! 
Obviously that antenna sucks on 75/80, but at least the radio was happy!  I 
think anyone who orders the K3, but doesn't order the ATU, is making a gross 
error.


Overall, I'd say the K3 is performing very much as advertised, if not 
better.  I know some features are still not "turned on", but otherwise it's 
a real winner.  I've only noted one thing that isn't "as advertised", and it 
certainly isn't very important.  The K3 supposedly goes down to 500 khz (but 
not below that).  Here in Tucson we have a station at 580 khz, and it is 
pretty strong normally.  But I can't even hear it on the K3.  I'm not sure 
exactly where the K3 starts hearing, but by the time I get to 790 khz 
(another local station), it does fine.  I think there is a Phoenix station 
on 620 or 640 that I can usually hear otherwise, but not on the K3.


Every other K3 owner I've talked to is a very "happy camper"--no exceptions. 
And several of these are very particular about their equipment.  Comparing 
the "hands on" experiences of K3 owners with commentary on other reflectors 
of owners of other new radios, I'd say the K3 has been exceptionally well 
received to date.  I suspect the folks in Aptos have mixed feelings about 
what kind of year 2007 has been.  However, I think 2008 will be a great year 
for them.  Production will hopefully be more or less on autopilot soon, and 
they can relax a bit, and dream up all kinds of goodies to add to this 
superb piece of gear.


Dave W7AQK 


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[Elecraft] Major critisism of the K3 !!!

2007-12-29 Thread Keith Bainbridge

The damn bail stand is too high !!!
I'm getting RSI from tuning around the almost dead bands here in VK6 !!
Seriously though, without the stand its too low and with it its too high.
Isnt it great that after having it for only 8 days thats the only 
serious critisism I can come up with !

Happy New Year to all
73
Keith

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Chairman WIA VK6 Advisory Committee.

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Re: [Elecraft] antennas

2007-12-29 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski

Shaun,

   It sounds like you're wiring the shielded twisted pair like an 
extension of the feed coax. Remember, anything that's shielded is 
designed to keep the signal traveling on it from radiating. But, I may 
be misunderstanding your description. While there are several antenna 
designs that use coax as a radiator (see: 
http://www.hamuniverse.com/bazooka.html), their "claim to fame" is broad 
band, low SWR, not size.


There are many limited space antennas (see this Google search: 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=antenna+design+%22limited+space%22&btnG=Search), 
but YMMV (You Mileage May Vary). I stumbled across this "small" antenna 
that seems to have some good reviews: http://www.tak-tenna.com/ . At any 
rate, those should give you some ideas about antennas.


   Regards,

   kurtt

   Kurt Pawlikowski, AKA WB9FMC
   The Pinrod Corporation
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (773) 284-9500
   http://pinrod.com

Shaun Oliver wrote:
Hi all, I'm sorry to bring up this off topic subject, but I have a 
question for those of you that like to cobel together your own antennas.
I have here some wire htat has 2 center cores and an outer brade. this 
in turn is covered by an outer foil and then insulated. what I'd like 
to know, if I were to attach some coax to one end of this wire, center 
core to center core and brade to brade, etc, would it be sufficent to 
pass as a dipole or am I kidding myself? basically wwhat I'd like to 
know is if it will work. I'm strapped for space here so intend on 
aquiring some electrical piping and coiling the wire around it and 
sealing it from wear and tear by the elements. if you could, please 
kindly write me off list as I don't want to clutter the list up too 
much with off topic posts. my apologies for this one as I wasn't sure 
where elseI could take this one.

thanks in advance.
shaun
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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
What about a Heil with a desk mounted boom - the boom can mount direct to
the desk or be clamped on, at the back and 'lean over'


On 29/12/07 12:49, "David Yarnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> I would like to see some kind of gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with the
> "IC" element) that would easily attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
> Maybe some sort of brace or bracket that would clamp across the top of the
> K3, and had some sort of quick release.  It would have to be padded so as to
> not mar the K3.  The gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top of
> the bracket, and be a quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
> probably be approx. 24 to 30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
> from the rig to, or near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
> speak into it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place the
> bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the rear.  Then
> you could swing the microphone into position or out of the way, but it
> wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of you.

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RE: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction headsets (was Heil...)

2007-12-29 Thread Dan Barker
Interesting thot. I wonder if the lack of side tone is partially responsible
for many cell phone users to raise their voices. I don't recall hearing most
folks talk so loudly into desk phones.

Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456

-Original Message-
David Cutter, December 29, 2007 7:07 AM


Shouting into the mic might also mean the side tone could be adjusted
differently.  The higher the attenuation of your own voice back into your
ear becomes, the more the brain tells you to raise your voice so you can
hear yourself.  The telephone people worked this out 100 years ago.

David
G3UNA

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread David Yarnes


- Original Message - 
From: "Toby Deinhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WILLIS COOKE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?


Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6
feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu
denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it
almost impossible.


Hmmm!  I suppose these same folks when working CW, and can't get 
their call or report received correctly, start pounding their paddles 
harder!  You get about the same effect!


Dave W7AQK

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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread David Yarnes


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Elecraft List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

Well, since everyone else seems to be putting their oar in for what they
really want, I will to.  I use headset/mic combos most of the time if I
operate SSB (not very often though).  But it would be nice to not have to
use the headphones for a comfortable QSO.  Problem is, a desk mike just adds
to the clutter on my desk.  That premium space is already taken up by a
laptop (or keyboard), my paddle, my pencil/pen, paper, and most importantly
my coffee cup!  Seriously, am I the only one who has to shift things around
in front of me while operating?  And wouldn't a desk mike just add to the
problem?

I would like to see some kind of gooseneck type microphone (perhaps with the
"IC" element) that would easily attach and detach from the K3, or a K2.
Maybe some sort of brace or bracket that would clamp across the top of the
K3, and had some sort of quick release.  It would have to be padded so as to
not mar the K3.  The gooseneck would lock into some kind of clamp on top of
the bracket, and be a quick release type also.  The gooseneck should
probably be approx. 24 to 30 inches or so long (maybe more) so it reaches
from the rig to, or near,  the front edge of your desk so you can easily
speak into it.  You could further adjust the distance by where you place the
bracket on the K3--either towards the front, or more towards the rear.  Then
you could swing the microphone into position or out of the way, but it
wouldn't add to the clutter on the desk in front of you.

Tall order, right?  Yeah, I know--I'm dreaming.  And it really doesn't
respond very directly to Eric's question.  But I'd buy something like this
if it were available.  Maybe it already is somewhere.  I don't keep up very
well with microphone stuff.

Dave W7AQK

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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction headsets (was Heil...)

2007-12-29 Thread David Cutter
I'm surprised that folks are going to the trouble and cost of noise 
reduction headsets, by this I understand they mean ANR ie active noise 
reduction.  Most of the noise reduction in the upper part of the audio band 
comes from the headphone enclosure (shell) and it's only in the lower audio 
band that ANR is effective.  For domestic/loud voice conditions passive ear 
protection (ie the headphone shell) *should* be enough.  I would like to try 
this for myself but I would like to hear from anyone who could compare a 
sturdy conventional headset with ANR types in this respect.


I tried a pair of KOSS 4AA headphones which had very high isolation as good 
as ear protectors but I couldn't wear them for more than an hour.


For me the biggest issue is comfort after several hours of operating and it 
is essential for the ear muff to sit on the skull not on the outer ear 
(pinna).  Then it is the seal to the skull that needs to be maintaned; it is 
even adversely affected by spectacle frames breaking the seal and for some 
applications thick hair and beard, would you believe? probably not an issue 
here.


Shouting into the mic might also mean the side tone could be adjusted 
differently.  The higher the attenuation of your own voice back into your 
ear becomes, the more the brain tells you to raise your voice so you can 
hear yourself.  The telephone people worked this out 100 years ago.


If everyone in a contest room used *normal* voice and could hear their own 
side tone at a good level, then their mic gains could be set to *normal* 
which would then mean their mics would not pick up their neighbour's voice, 
(compression is also a big factor in this).


The voices of the contest group need to be optimised as a system not just a 
collection of separate operators.  There are a lot of factors to consider, 
it's not as simple as it sounds.


So, I wonder if the choice of the ANR Bose headsets was more the comfort and 
improved passive protection that this new type of headset provided rather 
than the expensive ANR feature.


I agree that multi contest conditions and kids with noisey toys (including 
us?) test operators in ways not normally associated with radio.


David
G3UNA


A big hunk of the target market for the K3 is contest stations.  Many
contest stations are making the move to the noise reduction headsets.  I
don't believe most hams would pay extra for it, and a couple of months
ago I likely would not have either.  But now that my radios are sharing
space with the kids and their XBOX, I am having to re-think this.
-


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Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry?

2007-12-29 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Ron AC7AC wrote:

Anyone who knows how to operate a radio doesn't shout at the mic, no 
matter

what!




--

Amen!  Interesting to note that the operators of  'world class' contest 
stations never appear to suffer from sore throats caused by shouting during 
a contest period, while some other folk end up 'croaking'.


My Heil ProSet Plus headset allows my rigs to be driven to full output 
without shouting, including an unmodified K2/100 #3255 without an external 
audio preamp, and is comfortable to wear for long periods. The combination 
of the HC5 mic element and 2.1 kHz transmitter filters breaks pile-ups 
without having to use the HC4 mic element, at the same time receives 
complimentary reports on audio quality. External acoustic noise has never 
been a problem here.



Tom N5GE wrote:

My feeling is that offering the Heil Pro-Set versions with the mono 1/8" 
plug

will be great.



Agree about having the smaller plug for the headphone connection, but would 
suggest that it be a stereo plug rather than a mono plug to allow use of 
binaural outputs..



Happy New Year to everybody!

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 2 tone 3rd order dynamic range at 2 KHz tone spacing

2007-12-29 Thread Jan Erik Holm

Thanks Toby, I suspect the IMDDR3 wouldn´t
change much between PRE on and off then.

73 Jim SM2EKM
---
Toby Deinhardt wrote:

Would be nice to see measurements with preamp
both on and off.
Also please note what the MDS is.


TRX   PRE on PRE off
IC-781 (500Hz)   -141 dBm   -133 dBm
K3 (400Hz)   -138 dBm   -134 dBm

both in 20m Band, mode CW


vy 73 de toby





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