Re: [Elecraft] K2 is angry with me
Colin, The most common cause of the 'Loss Of Sidetone' problem is that you inadvertently changed the sidetone source in the menu. If you tapped the DISPLAY button while adjusting the sidetone level, that would do the deed. Bring up the ST L menu entry Press EDIT to edit the parameter Tap DISPLAY to toggle the sidetone source between U6-25 and U8-4 - you may have to tap DISPLAY a few times to get it right When you hear sidetone stop tapping DISPLAY and tap MENU twice to exit the menu. For your future operating convenience, do not change the sidetone level to match the signal when spotting - instead change the AF Gain to bring the desired signal to approximately the level you have the sidetone set to. The sidetone level is not changed with the AF gain setting, so operating like that is possible. 73, Don W3FPR Colin Whitmore wrote: So, I think that my K2 is angry with me for buying a K3! I have a K2 (s/n 2833) with a seperated KPA100 and KAT100 in an EC2. I disconnected the amp today to run as the QRP setup and my sidetone seems to be gone! I checked with a dummy load and a signal is going out. All of the settings are set to the QRP version (e.g.: Mode = CW, ATU = Auto, StL = 030, StP = 0.60, etc.) and still nothin', ziltch, nada. No sidetone on key down and no Spot sound. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: new to wish-list - KEY OUT setting in menu (to be more like PTT OUT) for CW PTT mode
Hello Elcrafters, it was tested that KEY OUT port (rear panel of K3) is not in CW PTT mode acting as PTT OUT (how was wrongly supposed to be) and this was confirmed by Elecraft as intentional behavior but that if there will be some feedback/requests from customers, maybe will be possible to set this in Menu sometimes later. unquote You have my vote - I have already sent email to them on this. At first it seemed that they did not understand. However, I am not holding my breath on this one. The KEY OUT switch (FET) is from the inverted state of the main receive control line. So your amplifiers and transverters (etc) are keyed up whenever you are **not receiving** - which is not quite the same thing as transmitting (!) So when you program the keyer messages it turns on this output. When you load a new MCU program in, it will key up your equipment for 3 minutes continuously (I will not do that one again !) Anyway, I think a wiring change is required for this one. It would be easy to change the logic to be: not_receive AND transmit by one cut-and-jumper 73 Ken -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-new-to-wish-list---KEY-OUT-setting-in-menu-%28to-be-more-like-PTT-OUT%29-for-CW-PTT-mode-tp467486p1485391.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2... P4, 10 pin Aux I/O Connector Pin-Out (Control Board)
Hello All, On my assembled K2, connector P4 (control board component side) shows a 1 on the upper left pin. Dose this correspond with the rest of the pins that show as 1-10 in the manual on the control board schematic (Appendix B), component side? Thanks, Ken...W2GIW___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KEY OUT
Vic K2VCO (via Nabble) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be very careful about this, because of the need for the key out to be activated a few ms. before RF appears and to stay active until after the RF is gone. This is necessary to prevent hot-switching of amplifier relays which at best will create key clicks and at worst will destroy the relays. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Thanks - perhaps I should qualify that my key out goes to a sequencer that takes care of all the proper RF relay sequencing. Its just that I do not want it keyed up all those times when I am NOT transmitting AND I am using the transverter option running at 1 milliwatt output . -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-new-to-wish-list---KEY-OUT-setting-in-menu-%28to-be-more-like-PTT-OUT%29-for-CW-PTT-mode-tp467486p1485541.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 with birdie at 3.580.61
I notice a birdie at 3580.61 and wondered if this is normal or just my K3 needing something adjusted.de gary, kd9sv ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
hmmm let me try again the value in the table for the 400 Hz filter is clearly wrong. or the spec for the filter has changed since the manunal was written Ken ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KEY OUT
Ken_ke2n wrote: Vic K2VCO (via Nabble) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be very careful about this, because of the need for the key out to be activated a few ms. before RF appears and to stay active until after the RF is gone. This is necessary to prevent hot-switching of amplifier relays which at best will create key clicks and at worst will destroy the relays. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Thanks - perhaps I should qualify that my key out goes to a sequencer that takes care of all the proper RF relay sequencing. Its just that I do not want it keyed up all those times when I am NOT transmitting AND I am using the transverter option running at 1 milliwatt output . I the VOX turned off and have my computer or foot switch key my SEQUENCER, which in turn finally keys up the K3 via the microphone PTT. In that way, the K3 can never be switched HOT (unless it is put into XMIT mode automatically during firmware updates or something direct such as that). GL and VY 73, Lance -- Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex: WN3GPL, WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834 USA QTH: DN27UB TEL: (406) 626-5728 URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj 2m DXCC #11, 6m DXCC #815 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
Hmm - a conclusion is based on one data point? A compensation of 2dB was correct in the case of my 400 Hz filter - but that's just anecdotal too. Bob NW8L On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm let me try again the value in the table for the 400 Hz filter is clearly wrong. or the spec for the filter has changed since the manunal was written Ken ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
Hi Ken, The 2 dB number is bogus, in my opinion/experience. At least for me the 2dB recommendation for the 400Hz hit the nail right on the head. But on the other hand, I am not much of CW man. vy 73 de toby -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2 #885, K2/100 #3248, K3 #67 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
The D/A converter is listed as obsolete and no longer available. From what I see on the TI site, the part you mentioned is listed as 'not recommended for new designs'. While there is no factory stock at the moment they are expecting 10K on Dec 15th, so it is still in production, and distributors still show stock on hand. Should we be concerned ? Not me. Eric and Wayne maybe, but that would be their decision. While there are companies I feel I could manage better than the current owners, Elecraft is not one of them. Mark AD5SS On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Ken_ke2n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DSP chip in the K3 - TMS320VC33PGE (as of Sept 2008 per TI) is Not Recommended for New Design (i.e., obsolete) and a lifetime buy order is in effect http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tms320vc33.pdf the potential replacement (TMS320C6727B) is similar but not functionally equivalent - whatever that means. The D/A converter is listed as obsolete and no longer available. Should we be concerned ? Ken ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Summary of brick issue
I was somewhat nervous about the error message I sent so I had not thought through my email message clearly. The issue is not any of the following: 1. Firmware version 2. Utility version 3. Cable, serial port, or communication over RS-232. The issue is this: In a nutshell, user error. But the user (me in this case!) was un-aware of the rules to follow: The Utility was directed by the user to move certain firmware files to the K3 and the configuration of the Utility interface was not concordiant with the version of the firmware files. In short, I did not realize I had left the check-box checked above the button Check new version. After a few attempts, I was able to make the Utility load without error. It was nervous for me because being firmware, seeing errors on the load raised the hair on the back of my neck because things like that can often render the platform a brick. I knew in the back of my mind that Wayne and Lyle had made the process robust and enough bootstrap code should/would be on the K3 to bring up the executable on the K3 to handle a new MCU DL. In the documentation there are two methods described for resetting the K3 if the MCU load fails: 1 a) pull the power b) Hold the POWER button and wait about 10 seconds then go to step 3. 2 a) pull the power b) HOLD HI/LO while TAP POWER and wait about 2 seconds then go to step3 3 a) Re try loading the MCU - starting the Utility, re-confirming communication to the K3, and then choosing the firmware, etc.. The resynchronization error is a loading error by the Utility getting in the weeds because of the aforementioned configuration of the firmware data and the Utility settings (AFAIK). I've been trying to think of the use-case for what caused it, but it becomes nebulous because I don't know enough about the protocol used by the Utility and the meaning of the data in the S-code files. A block diagram of how the Utility works would be great. How it parses the first file, and etc. Why was it so difficult to get the MCU load to work after the Re-synch error? Method #1 did not work for me to re-try the MCU load. I was only able to get the K3 to succeed in testing the Serial port after a failed MCU load if I used method #2 to re-start the K3. The good news is that I was able to reload the MCU w/o Resync errors, but it was that moment of uhh oh, you know what I mean? If I could make a suggestion to the documentation team about this: The documentation of the error messages in the Utility doesn't seem to cover this error. I searched the Help file on the Utility. There also could be a little more treatment in the K3 manual over loading MCU and fool proof steps for loading in these use cases: 1. Upgrading to a newer MCU 2. Downgrading to an older MCU And, for the support team, I'd suggest putting much more online with respect to past versions of the MCU. 2.57 isn't _that_ old, right? It's not on the web site in a downloadable form, unless you know the secret URL. All is well that ends well. -jeff ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
The K3 is designed for a long production life. The use of functional circuit modules, like the DSP board or the synthesizer board, allows us to upgrade and improve and support the radio with a simple board swap. To my knowledge there are *no* components that are on a lifetime buy or no longer in production status. You can be certain that we monitor the supply chain very closely, and that we want to ensure a long life for our premier product! 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: new to wish-list - KEY OUT setting in menu (to be more like PTT OUT) for CW PTT mode
Ken_ke2n wrote: The KEY OUT switch (FET) is from the inverted state of the main receive control line. So your amplifiers and transverters (etc) are keyed up whenever you are **not receiving** - which is not quite the same thing as transmitting (!) So when you program the keyer messages it turns on this output. When you load a new MCU program in, it will key up your equipment for 3 minutes continuously (I will not do that one again !) Anyway, I think a wiring change is required for this one. It would be easy to change the logic to be: not_receive AND transmit I would be very careful about this, because of the need for the key out to be activated a few ms. before RF appears and to stay active until after the RF is gone. This is necessary to prevent hot-switching of amplifier relays which at best will create key clicks and at worst will destroy the relays. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
Thanks to all who responded to this thread. I have K3 1433 with 2.8K and 400 Hz. filters. I boosted the 400 gain from 2 to 6 and the difference was amazing. With the NR the CW is now EASILY cleaned up at VERY narrow bandwidths! I thought it was good before but now I see why contesters and DXers would love this rig. Jack, AE6GC _ K3NA wrote: I've looked at three 400 Hz filters to date and values do vary from filter to filter; one of mine required 6 dB gain. Other 8-pole filter bandwidths also vary a bit as well. Just measure all the filters in the radio and true up the gains. Don't need to worry about what the actually gain numbers are, as long as they can be goosed up to a uniform level. I have the 500 Hz 5-pole, 400 Hz 8-pole, and 200 Hz 5-pole filters and trued up the gains by ear and came up with 2dB, 6dB, and 8 DB respectively. This ability to adjust the gain in one dB increments to compensate for filter insertion loss is a wonderful feature of the K3. BTW, the 400 Hz 8-pole is my favorite CW filter. 73, Chuck Guenther NI0C K2/10 s/n 5853 K3/100 s/n 1061 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KEY OUT
Suppose there is not problem with PTT or computer controll. What is sometimes problem is what is happened after hitting the Key in pure PTT mode. This is acting as activating KEY OUT port. That´s it. Maybe there is way how to interpret Key closed when K3 is not in VOX or in TX mode by external PTT (line or command) or XMIT/TUNE button by firmware. IMHO when K3 in PTT mode it will be better no action if the Key is pressed when no PTT is present (external, by command or XMIT/TUNE button). Simply nothing, no KEY OUT,...like KEY port disconnected. Maybe I missed something, maybe I am completely wrong but on any of my other rig(-s) never had any problem with activating connected systems (transverters, relays) by hitting the Key when PTT not active. I never seen any explanation why K3 is doing by mentined way, what is advantege and purpose, reading list and doc very often but still not clear to me (and maybe others as well:-)) Time to time this topic is open without this explanation and again goes for sleep :-) 73! Lexa, ok1dst K3/10 #727 Lance Collister napsal(a): Ken_ke2n wrote: Vic K2VCO (via Nabble) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be very careful about this, because of the need for the key out to be activated a few ms. before RF appears and to stay active until after the RF is gone. This is necessary to prevent hot-switching of amplifier relays which at best will create key clicks and at worst will destroy the relays. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Thanks - perhaps I should qualify that my key out goes to a sequencer that takes care of all the proper RF relay sequencing. Its just that I do not want it keyed up all those times when I am NOT transmitting AND I am using the transverter option running at 1 milliwatt output . I the VOX turned off and have my computer or foot switch key my SEQUENCER, which in turn finally keys up the K3 via the microphone PTT. In that way, the K3 can never be switched HOT (unless it is put into XMIT mode automatically during firmware updates or something direct such as that). GL and VY 73, Lance ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: KEY OUT setting in menu...
So your amplifiers and transverters (etc) are keyed up whenever you are **not receiving** - which is not quite the same thing as transmitting (!) I would be very careful about this... I don't understand the original complaint at all. XMT: Relays before the onset of RF. RCV: RF off before relays. What's wrong with that? It seems to work just fine as it is for the usual xcvr amp combo. (If Lance has a buncha relays and xvtrs in the next room, that may be a different story :-) VE7XF ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KEY OUT (K3)
I may be missing something, but when I close the key in the PTT mode I get a sidetone with no output. I get output only if I close the PTT or use VOX. I have not yet connected my amplifier, so I am not sure what the Key Out does. If I am setting parameters in my K3 I want the amplifier to be either in off or Standby. (On my amp Standby just removes the relay voltage in the keying circuit.) I never have seen an amplifier without some kind of off and standby switches. I don't understand the problem. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 carrying case?
I'm aware of Rose Kopp's lovely soft cases for the K2. I'm looking for something a bit more durable. I have an unused messenger-style bag and am hoping to find a rubbermaid/tupperware style of box that is just a bit larger than the K2; I'm happy to make a foam liner to protect it inside the box, and then slip it all into the messenger bag, along with a key, cables, etc. I haven't yet found the perfect box, or one that's even close; the K2 is apparently not shaped like most things that people want to store! Others must have been down this path before - did you find something? Do you remember what style/make/model? Thanks! vy 73 de chris K6DBG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 carrying case?
I have a Pelican 1400 case which fits well and comes with foam padding which is easily shaped to the K2. Not cheap, but very strong. Bernie W1AZ On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: I'm aware of Rose Kopp's lovely soft cases for the K2. I'm looking for something a bit more durable. I have an unused messenger-style bag and am hoping to find a rubbermaid/tupperware style of box that is just a bit larger than the K2; I'm happy to make a foam liner to protect it inside the box, and then slip it all into the messenger bag, along with a key, cables, etc. I haven't yet found the perfect box, or one that's even close; the K2 is apparently not shaped like most things that people want to store! Others must have been down this path before - did you find something? Do you remember what style/make/model? Thanks! vy 73 de chris K6DBG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KEY OUT (K3)
WILLIS COOKE wrote: I may be missing something, but when I close the key in the PTT mode I get a sidetone with no output. I get output only if I close the PTT or use VOX. I have not yet connected my amplifier, so I am not sure what the Key Out does. If I am setting parameters in my K3 I want the amplifier to be either in off or Standby. (On my amp Standby just removes the relay voltage in the keying circuit.) I never have seen an amplifier without some kind of off and standby switches. I don't understand the problem. So now you have two things to toggle to get into test mode - the K3 and the amp separately... and the amp may not be within arm's reach of the operating position. I must say that I was quite surprised (and a little embarrassed) when I took my K3 to a contest station recently (where I'll be operating SS this weekend), and discovered (infront of the station owner) that his the amp was getting keyed even though the K3 was in TX TEST mode. Whilst I (now) understand why it's happening (receiver is being turned off), I still think it's wrong... ~Iain ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 - Line In problem
Barry, K6RM, got to me first and explained that the MIC gain separately set the gain for front panel, rear panel, and line in, depending on what you had chosen in MIC SEL. It works like gang busters now. Thanks Barry, and thanks to all who replied to me about this technical problem in my mind. It all makes sense once Barry broke the code for me. All I need to do now is record my SS messages, and I'm good to go this weekend. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2009 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2008 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
There is a table of starting values for each of the crystal filters in the K3 Utility Help for the Filter Configuration page. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken_ke2n Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:23 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain FLx GN I've bought a 400hz eight pole CW filter. Although the manual recommends 1-2 db for a setting, I see that the adjustment can be higher. What setting are most CW operator using? unquote I measured the gain change going from 450 Hz to 400 HZ (where the rig changes from the 2.8 filter to the 400 Hz filter) by turning the AGC off and using WSJT v 4 signal power measurement function. I got 6-7 dB less signal through the narrow filter .. it was very obvious to my ear. Anyway, I found the menu option for filter gain and put in 6 dB for the narrow filter and 0 dB for the wider filter and now the transition across the 450- to 400 Hz bandwidth is very seamless. I am happy. The 2 dB number is bogus, in my opinion/experience. Ken -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FLx-GN-Adding-Db-gain-tp1330201p1485455.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
I would be more concerned with YaeComWood and their proprietary chips than anything Elecraft makes. Try to find components for some of the other rigs... Mike AI4NS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 carrying case?
Chris - I use a Samsonite L25 case. It is just large enough for the K2, a Kenwood MC43 mic, Palm paddle, a folding headset, user manual, AC adapter/charger, some basic antenna materials, logsheets, and cables. Case has Velcro straps to secure radio, several pouches, zippers everywhere. I have used mine to carry the K2 all over the country. About $30.00 at Amazon.com (usual disclaimers apply). - Jim, KL7CC Chris Kantarjiev wrote: I'm aware of Rose Kopp's lovely soft cases for the K2. I'm looking for something a bit more durable. I have an unused messenger-style bag and am hoping to find a rubbermaid/tupperware style of box that is just a bit larger than the K2; I'm happy to make a foam liner to protect it inside the box, and then slip it all into the messenger bag, along with a key, cables, etc. I haven't yet found the perfect box, or one that's even close; the K2 is apparently not shaped like most things that people want to store! Others must have been down this path before - did you find something? Do you remember what style/make/model? Thanks! vy 73 de chris K6DBG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Carrying Case
I just received my padded, custom K3 carrying case from Rose Kopp, N7HKW. It is a work of art. My wife Heather, N7DZU -- no mean seamstress herself -- had only positive to things to say after she examined it. If you have any need at all for a way to transport your K3 and protect it while doing so, you might consider one these covers. Note that this is a carrying case, not a shipping container! Rose has no website, but you can email her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
The DSP chip in the K3 - TMS320VC33PGE (as of Sept 2008 per TI) is Not Recommended for New Design (i.e., obsolete) and a lifetime buy order is in effect http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tms320vc33.pdf the potential replacement (TMS320C6727B) is similar but not functionally equivalent - whatever that means. The D/A converter is listed as obsolete and no longer available. Should we be concerned ? Ken -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Obsolete--tp1485486p1485486.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
The value in the table in the K3 Utility Help for the Crystal Filter Configuration for the 400 Hz filter is 7 dB. This is a starting point. Your individual filter may vary from that. The values in this table came from the Elecraft manufacturing lab. These are the starting gain compensation values that Elecraft uses when it prepares a factory-built K3. After these starting values are set, then the filter gain compensation is further adjusted (using a voltmeter across the speaker and a signal generator, I think) to deal with filter sample variations. 7 db from the table in K3 Utility Help seems pretty close to the 6-7 db you mentioned in your findings. I agree that the value in the Owner's Manual isn't consistent with this. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:40 AM To: Dick Dievendorff; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain hmmm let me try again the value in the table for the 400 Hz filter is clearly wrong. or the spec for the filter has changed since the manunal was written Ken ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KEY OUT (K3)
Iain, As far as I can recall, the amp keying during TX TEST is intentional - it allows one to activate all the controls as though switching to transmit, but no RF is transmitted - it is quite intuitive to me, it is a TEST of all the transmit control elements (internal to the K3 and external as well), but without producing any RF. The situation of KEYOUT being activated by a key or paddle action when in CW PTT is IMHO not the proper action - PTT is PTT - and by that I mean that one must press PTT before anything happens. In CW PTT, many have wanted sidetone to be produced when the key is activated, and all have wanted no RF to be transmitted - those things happen, but also the KEYOUT signal becomes active with keying too, and I do not believe that should happen - we have TX TEST to do testing that requires the KEYOUT to be active. 73, Don W3FPR. Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM wrote: WILLIS COOKE wrote: I may be missing something, but when I close the key in the PTT mode I get a sidetone with no output. I get output only if I close the PTT or use VOX. I have not yet connected my amplifier, so I am not sure what the Key Out does. If I am setting parameters in my K3 I want the amplifier to be either in off or Standby. (On my amp Standby just removes the relay voltage in the keying circuit.) I never have seen an amplifier without some kind of off and standby switches. I don't understand the problem. So now you have two things to toggle to get into test mode - the K3 and the amp separately... and the amp may not be within arm's reach of the operating position. I must say that I was quite surprised (and a little embarrassed) when I took my K3 to a contest station recently (where I'll be operating SS this weekend), and discovered (infront of the station owner) that his the amp was getting keyed even though the K3 was in TX TEST mode. Whilst I (now) understand why it's happening (receiver is being turned off), I still think it's wrong... ~Iain ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.1/1781 - Release Date: 11/11/2008 8:59 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
What setting are most CW operator using? Here are my K3 filter gain settings that make for mostly seamless transitions. I did this by ear and looking at AFV. 13 KHz +1 dB 6 KHz +2 dB 2.7 KHz 0 dB 0.5 KHz +6 dB So I agree that the narrower filters seem to need more than 2 dB gain adjustment. The wider filter gain adjustments above are probably normal filter variations within a lot, possibly because my 2.7 KHz filter has maybe a dB less than average loss Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) K3-100 #508/ KX1 #1311 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Summary of brick issue
I'm not quite sure what you did! If the copy new files check box is checked, then the K3 Utility will do an FTP step and copy files from Elecraft's FTP server to your firmware folder. First. Before it tries to send firmware to the K3. Then the most recent firmware files in the firmware folder are sent to the K3. These aren't concurrent operations. Could you expand on your sentence The Utility was directed by the user to move certain firmware files to the K3 and the configuration of the Utility interface was not concordiant with the version of the firmware files. I'm not quite sure what you mean there! I'd like to get this right if it can be made better so that no one else stumbles on this. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Wandling W7BRS Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:43 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Summary of brick issue I was somewhat nervous about the error message I sent so I had not thought through my email message clearly. The issue is not any of the following: 1. Firmware version 2. Utility version 3. Cable, serial port, or communication over RS-232. The issue is this: In a nutshell, user error. But the user (me in this case!) was un-aware of the rules to follow: The Utility was directed by the user to move certain firmware files to the K3 and the configuration of the Utility interface was not concordiant with the version of the firmware files. In short, I did not realize I had left the check-box checked above the button Check new version. After a few attempts, I was able to make the Utility load without error. It was nervous for me because being firmware, seeing errors on the load raised the hair on the back of my neck because things like that can often render the platform a brick. I knew in the back of my mind that Wayne and Lyle had made the process robust and enough bootstrap code should/would be on the K3 to bring up the executable on the K3 to handle a new MCU DL. In the documentation there are two methods described for resetting the K3 if the MCU load fails: 1 a) pull the power b) Hold the POWER button and wait about 10 seconds then go to step 3. 2 a) pull the power b) HOLD HI/LO while TAP POWER and wait about 2 seconds then go to step3 3 a) Re try loading the MCU - starting the Utility, re-confirming communication to the K3, and then choosing the firmware, etc.. The resynchronization error is a loading error by the Utility getting in the weeds because of the aforementioned configuration of the firmware data and the Utility settings (AFAIK). I've been trying to think of the use-case for what caused it, but it becomes nebulous because I don't know enough about the protocol used by the Utility and the meaning of the data in the S-code files. A block diagram of how the Utility works would be great. How it parses the first file, and etc. Why was it so difficult to get the MCU load to work after the Re-synch error? Method #1 did not work for me to re-try the MCU load. I was only able to get the K3 to succeed in testing the Serial port after a failed MCU load if I used method #2 to re-start the K3. The good news is that I was able to reload the MCU w/o Resync errors, but it was that moment of uhh oh, you know what I mean? If I could make a suggestion to the documentation team about this: The documentation of the error messages in the Utility doesn't seem to cover this error. I searched the Help file on the Utility. There also could be a little more treatment in the K3 manual over loading MCU and fool proof steps for loading in these use cases: 1. Upgrading to a newer MCU 2. Downgrading to an older MCU And, for the support team, I'd suggest putting much more online with respect to past versions of the MCU. 2.57 isn't _that_ old, right? It's not on the web site in a downloadable form, unless you know the secret URL. All is well that ends well. -jeff ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
There is a table of starting values for each of the crystal filters in the K3 Utility Help for the Filter Configuration page. Dick, K6KR Dick I notice that the table from K3 Utility Help (snippet below) does not show the stock 2.7 KHz filter. I would guess 0 dB but strange that it wasn't included. Part Number Bandwidth Gain KFL3A-200 0.20 kHz 8 dB KFL3A-250 0.25 kHz 8 dB KFL3A-400 0.40 kHz 7 dB KFL3A-500 0.50 kHz 6 db KFL3A-1.0K 1.00 kHz 1 dB KFL3A-1.8K 1.80 kHz 2 dB KFL3A-2.1K 2.10 kHz 2 dB KFL3A-2.8K 2.80 kHz 0 dB KFL3A-6K 6.00 kHz 0 dB KFL3B-FM 13.00 kHz 0 dB Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) K3-100 #508/ KX1 #1311 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Summary of brick issue
OK. Let me try to break it into the sequence of how you get here. You get a K3 and it's pre loaded with a certain MCU and DSP, etc.. My K3 was loaded with 2.57 MCU and the corresponding DSP. Time past. I got a straight-DB9 serial cable on Friday (Frys) and proceeded to use it to test the latest K3 Utility (whatever version the latest is) that my PC (Dell D600 Latitude Notebook) was able to talk to the K3. It was. I could see my filter data, etc.. Now came the new firm ware: I wanted to try the beta release, 2.63 I believe it was. So I ran the Utility, tested the connection. I set the Folder to store firmware. I left the checkbox checked copy new files from Elecraft because I had none yet, this would be the first upgrade so I needed the files copied from their ftp server. I pressed Send all Firmware to K3. It downloaded the firmware, and loaded it on the K3. No errors. No resynchronization warnings, etc.. All good. Time past. I noticed a behavior with my amp-key line that I didn't notice on 2.57 so I wanted to regress the condition with the original 2.57 to make sure it wasn't firmware, but perhaps the amp or something else. I had to strike firmware off the list given that 2.63 was fairly new beta firmware. So I tried to reload 2.57 but I had no copy and none is on the Elecraft web site, hence my request earlier for a copy. I got a copy (thanks!) and put it into a folder. I re-ran the utility, set the folder to look there. I pressed Send Firmware to K3 ** ** = mistake When this happend, I began to see scores of warnings Resynchronized at load address x0X, response N, sent 67b, # attempts.. etc.. The last Log entry in the Activity Log was: 18:55:42 MCU block write failed at address x0X 18:55:42 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and version. Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the firmware load. 18:55:42 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and version. Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the firmware load. 18:55:45 Ready So I tried to restart the K3 and re-load the MCU. Restarting the K3 so a new load can be done is itself tricky as I learned. If you cycle power, and restart the K3 you need to wait for some reason until the existing firmware bootloader (or whatever the exec is on the K3 that runs) finishes it's business before the Utility will even succeed in test-connection. Once the test-connection passes, I re-attempted (2nd attempt for the MCU load) and received the same error as before. I realized too late that I forgot to uncheck the box Copy new files from Elecraft. After I figured out the bone-headed mistake, I tried to start over by trying to load the latest from Elecraft (2.46 is the latest regular release). After some painful waiting and hundreds of warnings about the Resynchronization I was finally able to load 2.57 last night. This morning, I got a copy of 2.65 (yes .65) from Elecraft and tried to load it with my knowledge of how the Utility works (Uncheck COpy new files and press Check Versions Now) before trying to Send all Firmware to K3. Since this morning, I've been unable to successfully load a MCU. The cable is new and I tested it. The serial port is on a computer that has shown no issues (I use it with ACLog), so I'm just a little perplexed. I'm convinced I pooched it, but I don't know exactly what I could have done to continue the badness given I am using (I hope) the Utility the way it was designed. Comments below, inline: On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Dick Dievendorff wrote: I'm not quite sure what you did! If the copy new files check box is checked, then the K3 Utility will do an FTP step and copy files from Elecraft's FTP server to your firmware folder. First. Before it tries to send firmware to the K3. Then the most recent firmware files in the firmware folder are sent to the K3. These aren't concurrent operations. Yup, that was my understanding initially too. The Utility lets you get latest regular release (currently being 2.46) or let's you install beta or any other version when unchecked. Could you expand on your sentence The Utility was directed by the user to move certain firmware files to the K3 and the configuration of the Utility interface was not concordiant with the version of the firmware files. I'm not quite sure what you mean there! I directed the Utility to move certain files to the K3 by pressing Send all Firmware to K3, and: The files it had moved were files that were from a folder on the PC and the checkbox copy new files was checked. The folder already contained files from a different version MCU. So I was asking the Utility to Send All Firmware, and what it did (since the checkbox was checked) is first download (into the folder already populated) and then begin the MCU LD. Thus, I had no clue that the data it downloaded clobbered some data that was already in the folder, or maybe not. I really don't know, hence fubar.
RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
This has been corrected in a version of the K3 Utility that is now being evaluated by Field Test. 0 db is right. Thanks! Dick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Scott Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:40 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain There is a table of starting values for each of the crystal filters in the K3 Utility Help for the Filter Configuration page. Dick, K6KR Dick I notice that the table from K3 Utility Help (snippet below) does not show the stock 2.7 KHz filter. I would guess 0 dB but strange that it wasn't included. Part Number Bandwidth Gain KFL3A-200 0.20 kHz 8 dB KFL3A-250 0.25 kHz 8 dB KFL3A-400 0.40 kHz 7 dB KFL3A-500 0.50 kHz 6 db KFL3A-1.0K 1.00 kHz 1 dB KFL3A-1.8K 1.80 kHz 2 dB KFL3A-2.1K 2.10 kHz 2 dB KFL3A-2.8K 2.80 kHz 0 dB KFL3A-6K 6.00 kHz 0 dB KFL3B-FM 13.00 kHz 0 dB Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) K3-100 #508/ KX1 #1311 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
dB Gain -- was RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
At the risk of being pedantic, the correct unit is the deciBel, one tenth of a Bel, and the correct abbreviation is dB (not Db). The Bel is a unit of change in loudness and is named after Alexander Graham Bell. Because the way humans hear is logarithmic (as is our perception of light), the Bel (and the deciBel) are the log of the ratio of sound levels, and are translated into the log of power levels and voltage levels corresponding to that loudness change. 73, Jim K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
I have the full range of filters, from 13 KHz to 200 Hz and found that there isn't enough adjustment range to get them all exactly equalized. That is, with the 2.7 KHz set to 0 (minimum possible) and the 200 Hz set to +8dB (maximum possible) the 200 Hz was still 2 dB down from the 2.7KHz. So what I did was to equalize the three filters that I use for CW (my primary mode of operation) at one value and equalize the 13KHz and 2.7KHz filters at another value (used for MW, SW listening, etc). This seems to work out quite well in practice. Here is what I ended up with. The first column is the variation in dB with the AGC off. The second is with the AGC on. I used a signal generator and the K3 built-in audio voltmeter for the measurement. Filterw/o AGCw AGC 13 K -0.5 -0.1 2.7 K 0 0 1.0 K -2.1 -0.4 500 H -1.5 -0.3 200 H -2.0 -0.4 73 ... Craig AC0DS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Carrying Case
Not only is Rose's work nothing short of exceptional, so is her service. Always quick communication and if there's any problem she is quick to make corrections. Nothing but great things to see for her work and service 73 Greg AB7R LyleDid you get a custom case to be able to carry your K3 in the many pieces it always seems to be in :) - Original Message - From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Elecraft Group' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Carrying Case I just received my padded, custom K3 carrying case from Rose Kopp, N7HKW. It is a work of art. My wife Heather, N7DZU -- no mean seamstress herself -- had only positive to things to say after she examined it. If you have any need at all for a way to transport your K3 and protect it while doing so, you might consider one these covers. Note that this is a carrying case, not a shipping container! Rose has no website, but you can email her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.1/1781 - Release Date: 11/11/2008 8:59 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 with birdie at 3.580.61
I notice a birdie at 3580.61 and wondered if this is normal or just my K3 needing something adjusted.de gary, kd9sv Same here, my birdie shows S3 with antenna disconnected, so the equivalent of about one microvolt if it was a signal at the antenna terminals. You need a quiet band to hear this level. My 80M band is never that quiet. Just tuning around a bit with antenna disconnected and found these potential additional birdies. Definitely not an exhaustive search...Most are not audible over band noise with an antenna connected. 2.00879 2.56715 3.30527 3.58061 (yours) 3.594 4.479 4.490 4.7218 6.87934 7.16043 7.12503 Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) K3-100 #508/ KX1 #1311 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Editing RIG files (Elecraft K3)
Can somebody point me to where I can find a detailed description of how to edit the rig files in DX4WIN. I am not happy with the way DX4WIN controls my Elecraft K3 when I click on a spot. Sometimes the K3 switches band and not mode. Other times the K3 sets the filters to the narrowest bandwidth. So I would like to see if I can tweak the RIG file to improve the performance. Note I am using the latest version of DX4WIN with the latest version of the K3 RIG file. 73 Peter G3ZSS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] 6mtr power jump
I find the same thing on my K3 #167 Ken K1DWZ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filters, Shift Control and RTTY
If the other station has AFC on in their software, they tend to wander around a bit. I tend NOT to run AFC if I am SP, as I line right up on them. If I am running and there is activity around me, it is hard to run AFC, as my signal then wanders around. But if someone comes up a bit off, or I have some room around me, I then run it. It then aligns my frequency with theirs. Its a lot like CW contests, where so many do not zero you before they call. David Wilburn NM4M http://www.nm4m.com Ron Kenwood wrote: I have been playing in the WAE RTTY contest. I am mainly using the 250Hz roofing filter with DSP bandwidth at 300 Hz. I occasionally use the 1.8kHz filter with DSP set at about 500 Hz. In either configuration, I find that I have to use the shift control to center signals in the bandpass. Not sure if this is a hardware or software thing, but in any case, I have two issues. One is that the minimum shift value is too large to accomplish what I want to do at the narrow bandwidth, and when I try to use the dual bandpass filter it appears that shift is disabled. Am I missing something(highly likely), or do I have to request that changes be added to the wish list? Ron W3ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
FLx GN I've bought a 400hz eight pole CW filter. Although the manual recommends 1-2 db for a setting, I see that the adjustment can be higher. What setting are most CW operator using? unquote I measured the gain change going from 450 Hz to 400 HZ (where the rig changes from the 2.8 filter to the 400 Hz filter) by turning the AGC off and using WSJT v 4 signal power measurement function. I got 6-7 dB less signal through the narrow filter .. it was very obvious to my ear. Anyway, I found the menu option for filter gain and put in 6 dB for the narrow filter and 0 dB for the wider filter and now the transition across the 450- to 400 Hz bandwidth is very seamless. I am happy. The 2 dB number is bogus, in my opinion/experience. Ken -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FLx-GN-Adding-Db-gain-tp1330201p1485455.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Summary of brick issue
There's a link to the full revision history at the top of the K3 Software Page, just under the Beta software download and installation instructions link. Bob NW8L On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Jeff Wandling W7BRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, for the support team, I'd suggest putting much more online with respect to past versions of the MCU. 2.57 isn't _that_ old, right? It's not on the web site in a downloadable form, unless you know the secret URL. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
K3NA wrote: I've looked at three 400 Hz filters to date and values do vary from filter to filter; one of mine required 6 dB gain. Other 8-pole filter bandwidths also vary a bit as well. Just measure all the filters in the radio and true up the gains. Don't need to worry about what the actually gain numbers are, as long as they can be goosed up to a uniform level. I have the 500 Hz 5-pole, 400 Hz 8-pole, and 200 Hz 5-pole filters and trued up the gains by ear and came up with 2dB, 6dB, and 8 DB respectively. This ability to adjust the gain in one dB increments to compensate for filter insertion loss is a wonderful feature of the K3. BTW, the 400 Hz 8-pole is my favorite CW filter. 73, Chuck Guenther NI0C K2/10 s/n 5853 K3/100 s/n 1061 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 KEY OUT situation
As far as I can recall, the amp keying during TX TEST is intentional... OK, I can live with that, BUT... The situation of KEYOUT being activated by a key or paddle action when in CW PTT is IMHO not the proper action... Agreed - MHO also. ...In CW PTT, many have wanted sidetone to be produced when the key is activated... I'm one of those. I use it to set my freq relative to the received signal, or to set my speed to match the received station, or just to enjoy sending to myself. And I don't want the rx to go on and off as I key. The noise drives me crazy, as Mario noted some days ago. The K3 does not follow the 'norm' of all other rigs I've used. ...we have TX TEST to do testing that requires the KEYOUT to be active. Yes, I have no problem with this. But I definitely do not want any external equipment to be keyed when I casually close my paddles while in rx mode. Anybody know if Wayne is a CW op? Lets gang up on him. VE7XF ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
FLx GN I've bought a 400hz eight pole CW filter. Although the manual recommends 1-2 db for a setting, I see that the adjustment can be higher. What setting are most CW operator using? unquote I measured the gain change going from 450 Hz to 400 HZ (where the rig changes from the 2.8 filter to the 400 Hz filter) by turning the AGC off and using WSJT v 4 signal power measurement function. You can also use the AFV/dBV function in the radio to directly measure the filter insertion loss. I won't give you a step by step procedure. That is left as an exercise for you. I will suggest that AGC ought to be OFF, the signal you tune in ought to be steady with a good SNR, and that the K3 has an internal oscillator around 49.380 MHz. Enjoy! 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
I've looked at three 400 Hz filters to date and values do vary from filter to filter; one of mine required 6 dB gain. Other 8-pole filter bandwidths also vary a bit as well. Just measure all the filters in the radio and true up the gains. Don't need to worry about what the actually gain numbers are, as long as they can be goosed up to a uniform level. on 08 Nov 11 Tue 10:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following: Hi Ken, The 2 dB number is bogus, in my opinion/experience. At least for me the 2dB recommendation for the 400Hz hit the nail right on the head. But on the other hand, I am not much of CW man. vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 and options for sale
Fully loaded K2 with several options for sale. $250.00 off kit price. Contact me off list for details. - Jim, KL7CC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KPA-100 plus options for sale
For sale: KPA-100 plus KAT-100 in EC2 case, plus accessories, for sale. Fully assembled and tested, perfect condition. Contact me off list for details. - Jim, KL7CC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 with birdie at 3.580.61
Hi I notice a birdie at 3580.61 and wondered if this is normal or just my K3 needing something adjusted.de gary, kd9sv Same here, my birdie shows S3 with antenna disconnected, so the equivalent of about one microvolt if it was a signal at the antenna terminals. You need a quiet band to hear this level. My 80M band is never that quiet. Just tuning around a bit with antenna disconnected and found these potential additional birdies. Definitely not an exhaustive search...Most are not audible over band noise with an antenna connected. I have seen several more/different ones, with up to S4 on the S-Meter. I have been able to reduce them to S1..S2 by improving the contact of the crystal oscillator (do you have the regular or the 1ppm one ?) and rerouting the TMP cables. I would be interested in your experiences re a) if these birdies are on the SubRX as well if you have one (for me, they are not, except a very select few which then are S0/barely audible). (the initial response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] was that some birdies were normal) b) if you see any difference if you touch the TCXO c) if the K3 was a kit or a factory unit Some more experiments are forthcomming but I didnt have the time in the past days to do them... Mario, DL5MLO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 with birdie at 3.580.61
Probably the color oscillator from a nearby TV set -- 3579.8 kHz, plus/minus either some calibration error if you're in CW mode, or the offset you've selected for SSB/PSK. 73, Jim K9YC --Original Message Text--- From: Gary Nichols Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:37:37 -0400 I notice a birdie at 3580.61 and wondered if this is normal or just my K3 needing something adjustedde gary, kd9sv ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft] K3 with birdie at 3.580.61
It -may- be 3579.5454 ... the TV color burst frequency. If the TV is receiving network programming, the frequency will be quite accurate, since the networks are usually in phase with the NBS cesium clock in Boulder. Or, at least this used to be that way it was ... (;-) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft] K3 with birdie at 3.580.61
It -may- be 3579.5454 ... the TV color burst frequency. If the TV is receiving network programming, the frequency will be quite accurate, since the networks are usually in phase with the NBS cesium clock in Boulder. Or, at least it was that way in the past. (;-) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
oops - I see I put in the wrong link (although one of the reply-ee's found it) it should be this one for the DSP http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320vc33.html the D/A chip that I was referring to is the TI one too ... also tried to find the the TI D/A chip on Mouser and Digikey and got the obsolete designation as well. I am not surprised that there is a big batch of the TMS chips coming. That's what they do: announce upcoming obsolescence, get an idea of who wants how many and then make one final big batch and no more after. I doubt anything in this fast moving technology is designed for a long product life. Its basically cell phone technology that is driving the market and they try to sell me a cell phone every two years. I believe that unless I am unlucky the chips in my K3 will last longer than I will. However, I have never bought a rig before that had obsolete parts in it when I opened the box. But that is the way things are these days... Ken -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Obsolete--tp1485486p1487457.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] I apologize ... (:-(
I apologize for the duplicate posting OE sent automatically as I was editing the first one. (:-( 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 #1755
My K3 is almost there. After building a new shack I started the assembly. This is my first and I am just at the power up point for the first time. Man, Beads of sweat are coming down so I am packing it in for the night. And will observe for smoke in the a.m. This kit has been the most fun and the rig is just beautiful. It just goes together so well and feels solid. I am sure I will be back with questions, Wish me luck Tom kb1tom Quincy, MA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
I believe that unless I am unlucky the chips in my K3 will last longer than I will. Let me re-phrase that. Unless my K3 is unlucky (gets struck by lightning) it should last a long time. I myself personally hope to last through a couple more new radios :-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Obsolete--tp1485486p1487729.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Question
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:34:02 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote: Those are the pros and cons that I know about. I'll add a few things. 1) The K2 with KSB2 is a bit low on transmit audio gain, so with some mics, you may not get as much processing as in some other rigs. 2) The K2 with KSB2 has a bit more low frequency response than is ideal for agressive audio in a competitive situation. 3) The K2 when adjusted for narrowband SSB reception aligns the RX filters to form a staggertuned IF, so the audio quality (on RX) is something that only the programmer's mother could love. These issues matter only if you're a contester or serious DX chaser. For more casual operation it doesn't matter much. There are mods for #1 and #2 that improve things significantly, and they're pretty easy to do. One of the more powerful solutions to # 1 involves cutting some circuit board traces. Bottom line -- the K2 and K2/100 are excellent CW rigs and good (but not great) SSB rigs. The KSB2 IS a good plug-in, and well worth doing, but don't expect it to be competitive in a serious contest. For other operation you'll be quite happy with it. 73, Jim Brown K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
it should be this one for the DSP http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320vc33.html That page _DOES_NOT_ say the chip is 'obsolete', it says 'Product is Not Recommended for New Design'. Go ahead and do a text search on the page, the word obsolete is not on the page. If you read to the bottom of the page you see the 10K of chips in the pipeline, and you see a recent update of distributor stock. However, I have never bought a rig before that had obsolete parts in it when I opened the box. (Seems to me that most (all?) of the modern rigs I've bought had a bunch of proprietary chips in them. Who can tell if they're obsolete?) If this really bothers you I can think of two options: 1/buy a YaeComWood, or 2/start your own company and design a competitor to the K3. Competition is a good thing. Mark AD5SS On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ken_ke2n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops - I see I put in the wrong link (although one of the reply-ee's found it) it should be this one for the DSP http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320vc33.html the D/A chip that I was referring to is the TI one too ... also tried to find the the TI D/A chip on Mouser and Digikey and got the obsolete designation as well. I am not surprised that there is a big batch of the TMS chips coming. That's what they do: announce upcoming obsolescence, get an idea of who wants how many and then make one final big batch and no more after. I doubt anything in this fast moving technology is designed for a long product life. Its basically cell phone technology that is driving the market and they try to sell me a cell phone every two years. I believe that unless I am unlucky the chips in my K3 will last longer than I will. However, I have never bought a rig before that had obsolete parts in it when I opened the box. But that is the way things are these days... Ken ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] [K3] Setting Filter Gain in KRX3
I have installed the KFL3A-500 filter in slot #5 in both receivers. When I set main receiver FL5 GN to 6 dB and go to B SET, the gain sounds about the same in the KRX3 as it does in the main receiver. Since the dB setting cannot be seen in B SETdisplay, how do you know the gain settings are the same? When the main receiver filter bandwidth, offset and gain are set in CONFIG, does the corresponding KRX3 filter automatically get set to the same parameters regardless of filter slot used? Maybe all this can be determined in K3 UTILITY. Any comments would be appreciated. Roy Morris W4WFB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
At 08:40 PM 11/11/2008, Mark Bayern wrote... it should be this one for the DSP http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320vc33.html That page _DOES_NOT_ say the chip is 'obsolete', it says 'Product is Not Recommended for New Design'. Same thing. You're obviously not familiar with semiconductor marketing, and how they spin things. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting Filter Gain in KRX3
You can use the K3 Utility filter configuration tool to verify the filter settings for both main and sub receiver. From the K3 Utility's Configuration tab, click Edit Crystal Filters and click on the Main / Sub Receiver radio button at the bottom left of the dialog. The main receiver filter settings are distinct from the sub receiver filter settings. Setting the main receiver's filters does not set the configuration of the sub receiver filters. I loaned my K3 to K7RI to get ready for Sweepstakes or I'd try to describe how to view and set the sub receiver filter configuration from the K3's front panel. I believe it can be done, I just can't verify the procedure. Dick, K6KR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Morris Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:47 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting Filter Gain in KRX3 I have installed the KFL3A-500 filter in slot #5 in both receivers. When I set main receiver FL5 GN to 6 dB and go to B SET, the gain sounds about the same in the KRX3 as it does in the main receiver. Since the dB setting cannot be seen in B SETdisplay, how do you know the gain settings are the same? When the main receiver filter bandwidth, offset and gain are set in CONFIG, does the corresponding KRX3 filter automatically get set to the same parameters regardless of filter slot used? Maybe all this can be determined in K3 UTILITY. Any comments would be appreciated. Roy Morris W4WFB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Digital Mode
Iain, Thanks for the information and I will print this out and follow it. I need to get the cables. Greg Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:46:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital Mode Hi OM, Long answer to a short question (and it's late, so apologies if any of it doesn't make sense)... To transmit in digital modes with HRD + DM780, you'll probably want to connect the RS232 port on the K3 to a serial port on your PC, as well as audio, but you can start of with receive-only with just an audio connection from the line out of the K3 to the input on your computer's sound card. A stereo audio cable with 3.5mm (1/8) jack plugs on both ends will do. Start up DM780 (not HRD) and see if you get noise (different colours) in the waterfall at the bottom (with the K3 on, obviously). If not, maybe you have more than one sound card. From the Tools menu, choose Options, then click on the SoundCard tab, and choose the right device and source (line in, mic - whatever you have connected to). You may need to bring up Soundcard, from the View menu, and unmute the RX device and set the volume. When you get noise in the waterfall, tune to a digital mode frequency (e.g. 14.070) and look for signals to decode. Choose the appropriate mode (right above the waterfall) and then click on the waterfall where you see a signal, and it should be decoded as text for you. I've never used Olivia, so can't help with specifics there, but you should be able to find it in Modes. You could start off with BPSK31 or RTTY, as those are more common. When you want to transmit, you'll probably want to make the serial connection for automatic keying of the radio. You may be able to do it with VOX instead, but I haven't tried that. There are other benefits to making the serial connection - you can see the actual frequency you're using in the software, quickly QSY to saved frequencies, center the signal you want with couple of mouse-clicks, etc. If you don't have real serial ports, you'll need a USB-to-serial adapter, like the KUSB. The auto-find thing might work, but I prefer to do things explicitly. First, on the K3, set CONFIG:RS232 to 38400 b. Then launch HRD. Specify Elecraft, K3, the serial port that the K3 is connected to, and speed 38400. If you're using a built-in serial port, it's probably COM1 or COM2. If not, right-click on My Computer, choose Properties, then Hardware then Device Manager, then double-click on Ports and look for it there. When HRD connects successfully, it should display the current VFO A and B frequencies, amongst other things. You'll then need to start the IP server. In HRD, to go Tools - IP Server, then check Start server when HRD starts and click Start. Now you can go back to DM780, and configure it to use HRD for keying the radio. In its Tools menu, choose Options, then click on the PTT tab, and select via Ham Radio Deluxe. Then go to View - Radio, and click on Connect to HRD, if it's not already displaying the current VFO A freqency. Set the mode on the K3 to DATA, and set DATA MODE to DATA A (hold the AFX button, then turn the VFO B knob to select that). You'll need another 3.5mm stereo audio cable to connect the output from your PC's sound card to the line in of the K3. Set MENU:MIC SEL to Line in on the K3. Now you're ready for a test transmission. Put the K3 into TX TEST mode (hold MODE ^), then click on Send in DM780. Adjust MIC (line in gain) on the K3 until you see 5 bars on the ALC meter. You may need to adjust the Soundcard TX settings in HRD to get it right. Click Stop to end, and turn off TX TEST mode. Then you're all set up and ready for digital. Simple, huh? ~Iain / K6IAM -.-. --.-N3TU -.-. --.- wrote: I'm new to digital. I just downloaded Digital Master 780 so I can run Olivia on MARS. Also included in that package is Ham Radio Deluxe. Never done thing before. I'm from old school so bear with me. Right now, I don't have anything hooked to the sound card on the computer. How do you have your K3 hooked up for digital? I know the plug type where the mic and headset are on the back of the computer but I need to know what to do on the back of the radio. I am assuming it is the mono/stero in/out on the back of the radio which takes the same plug on the back of the computer. Without the plugs right now, I get an red X error message on Ham Radio Deluxe that says: frequency =0 ! Make sure your radio is switched on and not in the memory mode !! If you are using a homemade-non standard cable you may need to select RTS or DTR. Now, when I choose Elecraft and K3, the flow control/Interface power is in ghost form and can't be selected. I also used the auto find to find the com port. So I am guessing that I need the sound card hooked up for these two programs to work. I do get the packet cluster. I can't get the radio or anything else
[K3] [Elecraft] more Obsolete?
Ok - trying to retrace my steps on the internet search the TMS is NRND - not obsolete (yet) the TLV320ACC23 as indicated on the schematic was not found - I just looked at the first few chips and THEY were all obsolete. I am guessing that the schematic has a typo and the device is TLV320AIC23 (K3 DSP IF: CODECS drawing 2004051101) this part is also NRND, but not obsolete. Sorry for the confusion - my lifetime buy comment was incorrect (applied to a different part) Ken I am not worried; my 25 year old ICOM with all its proprietary chips still works. Check back with me on the K3 in, say, September of 2033 - I'll bet it still works -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Obsolete--tp1485486p1488045.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 not keying PW-1 amp
I finally unboxed my PW-1, after it's repair by ICOM, and plugged in the K3. I connected the KEY-OUT to the SEND2 connection on my PW-1, connected the K3 to INPUT2, set the power down to 25w, powered up the ICOM PW-1, pushed in AMP/PROTECT so it was GREEN, the K3 is in CW VOX mode, keyed the K3, and the PW-1 only reflected 25w output. The PW-1 TRANSMIT light never lit up which says I'm not keying the PW-1. I have the K3 PW-1 negative ALC mod installed, but did not connect it up to the PW-1. I ran the PW-1 with the K3 from last December, through June of this year, configured this same way with no problems, 25w of drive will output around 1100w on 40m CW. I don't need the ALC mod but it is a nice safety net if I actually connect up the ALC connection on the PW-1. Last year, I had the ICOM756ProIII connected to input 1and the ACC1 interface to the PW-1 was connected, which basically supplies power to the PW-1 antenna switch when the amp is in the off position. The PW-1 Is in the INPUT12 position. Does it make a difference that there is no transceiver connected to INPUT1 and ACC1. That is the only real difference. I know that there are a few (more than a few) K3 owners with PW-1 amps. I am probably doing something wrong but it sure isn't obvious to me. My firmware level is 2.38 on the K3. I guess I could try plugging into the Input 1, send 1 inputs on the PW-1 to see if that makes any difference. The PW-1 manual does not indicate that a transceiver has to be connected to the input1 connections on the PW-1. John K8WDN K3 #157 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] more Obsolete?
Ken_ke2n wrote: Ok - trying to retrace my steps on the internet search the TMS is NRND - not obsolete (yet) Probably the worst that could happen if a chip disappeared would be that elecraft would have to design a new board with newer chips when the supply of old boards/chips ran out. Then Lyle or his grandson would have to make appropriate code changes for it. The K3 Utility would (hopefully) detect the board level and load the appropriate code. Big deal! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
Well, I just concluded eight-plus years as a senior tech writer at a major Silicon Valley semiconductor manufacturer, so I know a little about this phraseology. :-) Not recommended for new designs means: We've got a ton of this generation in the bins, so we'll keep selling them to our big customers and distributors, if they really want them, until we run out. And that's not going to happen any time soon. But you know, this generation has always been a little buggy; some things never quite worked the way we expected. We'll continue to support it and all its errata and patches because we have to, but really, we're just not very keen about it any more. We've got a new, improved, more capable, more expensive generation out there on the market already, and another two generations beyond that are already in the development pipeline, so... well, not to put too fine a point on it, you know, but we'd really prefer that you buy our newer stuff. You'll find our support for the new stuff to be much livelier and more enthusiastic. Obsolete means: Some of our distributors likely still have a lot of this old stuff back in their warehouses, so you can still get it. Cheap! And since nobody ever volunteers to go pawing through our public website to weed out all the obsolete app notes, you can probably still find stuff on it if you dig deep enough... But look, we're not making it any more, and we've shut down all real-time tech support for it. The engineers who designed it aren't even here anymore. If you call, our guys won't even talk to you about it. Basically, you're on your own. Sorry about that. That's about the gist of it. :-) Bill W5WVO - Original Message - From: Mike S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Bayern [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ken_ke2n [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete? At 08:40 PM 11/11/2008, Mark Bayern wrote... it should be this one for the DSP http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320vc33.html That page _DOES_NOT_ say the chip is 'obsolete', it says 'Product is Not Recommended for New Design'. Same thing. You're obviously not familiar with semiconductor marketing, and how they spin things. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
Same thing. You're obviously not familiar with semiconductor marketing, and how they spin things. No it is not. It can also mean that they have a newer model that is more cost effective, easier to build, faster, etc ...Eventually any chip will be obsolete, but this only means what it says, 'not recommended for new designs'. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [K3] [Elecraft] K3 Obsolete?
At 10:17 PM 11/11/2008, Mark Bayern wrote... Same thing. You're obviously not familiar with semiconductor marketing, and how they spin things. No it is not. Obsolete - Outmoded in design, style, or construction. QED. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] [K3] Setting Filter Gain in KRX3
I had a senior moment when I asked the question about accessing parameters in the KRX3. I forgot to turn on the KRX3 by pushing the SUB button. Please excuse me. Roy Morris W4WFB___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting Filter Gain in KRX3
I loaned my K3 to K7RI to get ready for Sweepstakes or I'd try to describe how to view and set the sub receiver filter configuration from the K3's front panel. I believe it can be done, I just can't verify the procedure. Enter the CONFIG menu ... Select FLx GN Press SUB (display will change to SUB # db) Adjust gain as needed Press SUB (display will change to rF # db) SUB designates KRX3 settings, rF designates KRX3 settings 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:18 PM To: 'Roy Morris'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting Filter Gain in KRX3 You can use the K3 Utility filter configuration tool to verify the filter settings for both main and sub receiver. From the K3 Utility's Configuration tab, click Edit Crystal Filters and click on the Main / Sub Receiver radio button at the bottom left of the dialog. The main receiver filter settings are distinct from the sub receiver filter settings. Setting the main receiver's filters does not set the configuration of the sub receiver filters. I loaned my K3 to K7RI to get ready for Sweepstakes or I'd try to describe how to view and set the sub receiver filter configuration from the K3's front panel. I believe it can be done, I just can't verify the procedure. Dick, K6KR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Morris Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:47 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting Filter Gain in KRX3 I have installed the KFL3A-500 filter in slot #5 in both receivers. When I set main receiver FL5 GN to 6 dB and go to B SET, the gain sounds about the same in the KRX3 as it does in the main receiver. Since the dB setting cannot be seen in B SETdisplay, how do you know the gain settings are the same? When the main receiver filter bandwidth, offset and gain are set in CONFIG, does the corresponding KRX3 filter automatically get set to the same parameters regardless of filter slot used? Maybe all this can be determined in K3 UTILITY. Any comments would be appreciated. Roy Morris W4WFB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: dB Gain -- was RE: [K3] [Elecraft] FLx GN Adding Db gain
Lots of questions. See some answers interspersed. On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:22:50 -0800, Dick Dievendorff wrote: I think I usually get that right (along with kHz), but I get confused when I see dBi, dBm, seemingly dBx for all X. I presume it's a measure of loudness relative to X, so a dBi is gain relative to an isotropic radiator, and dBw is what with watts? All dB is relative -- that is, A is x dB louder or quieter than B. And is a dB of voltage equivalent to a dB of power or an audio dB of loudness? The equation for ALL dB numbers is dB = 20 log (V1/V2) or 10 log (P1/P2), where V is voltage and P is power. When you append a letter to it, the letter defines some reference condition that could be voltage, power in some impedance, acoustic loudness, etc. MANY references have been defined. dBm indicates dB referenced to 1 mW. dBmV is dB referenced to 1 mV. dBu indicates a reference to 0.78V dBV is referenced to 1 volt. What is a VU meter measuring? Voltage? It's actually measuring power if it's a true VU meter. 0VU is 1 mW in 600 ohms, and a VU meter has a carefully defined dynamic characteristic -- that is, the meter movement has its ballistic characteristics defined so that it indicates subjective loudness -- sort of. The standard for the VU meter goes back to the early days of broadcasting. VERY few modern meters calibrated in VU actually have this characteristic, which isn't cheap to build. AND -- most VU meters are calibrated so that a reading of 0 dB is +4VU or +8VU. Not only that, but a true VU meter includes rectifiers that combine with the ballistics to do a lot of smoothing so that they are reading the average power. Actual peaks of audio are typically 10-14 dB hotter than the indicated reading. Are you confused yet? :) And why are our ears logarithmic anyway? That's the way God made us. And every time I see a recording studio meter in a movie or TV clip, it's seemingly always dancing to the pin, way over into the red. Why do they do that? Broadcasters have long been in an eternal search for loudness. If the meter moves below the red there isn't enough processing, and someone is going to get fired. :) What does the red mean? In today's world, not much, because broadcast stations, like hams, use LOTS of signal processing -- compression, peak limiting, and other tricks -- that prevent those peaks from being much greater than the average voltage. If there were no processing, the red range of the meter would indicate that the waveform was getting close to clipping on peaks. 73, Jim K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] New K3
Expect delivery of a new K3 on Thursday Nov 13. 73! Tomy Ivan kf7gc ATEN,Arizona Traffic and Emergency Net Most active NTS Traffic Net in Arizona www.atenaz.net Get back to Ham Radio Basics! Join a First Class Traffic Net Meets 3986 kHz Daily at 6:30:PM MST/0130Z Radiogram and NTS Training Fridays after Net Arizona Section Traffic Manager ATEN Net Manager, Net Control Station Official Relay Station Member ARRL, WRRL 157 928-636-7782 [EMAIL PROTECTED]___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
