[Elecraft] [K2] Control board U4 8v regulator issue

2009-03-04 Thread Mike-WE0H
Has anyone else had a 8v regulator (U4) on their control board show a 
lower voltage than it should? Mine shows 7.61v with the board in the 
radio or on the bench with a 14v supply connected to the input of that 
regulator. All components and soldering look correct. The 5v regulator 
is at 5.00v. All functions in the test procedure work as they should 
except the AGC voltage couldn't be set to 3.80v because of the 8v buss 
being at 7.61v, the AGC voltage changed as it should but was lower than 
the 3.80v suggested for setting R1 to.

Nothing runs hot or smells hot. What do you guys think? Bad regulator or???

Many thanks,
Mike
WE0H
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
James Sarte wrote:


At first I thought I did not have any noticeable birdies, but now it 
seems that I have developed a few.  It's probably from moving cables 
and such around inside the rig.



We could really use a detailed set of photos of cables behind the synth 
board(s), showing the complete step-by-step buildup of a good layout  - 
and also examples showing what *not* to do.



-- 

73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Control board U4 8v regulator issueSolved problem

2009-03-04 Thread Mike-WE0H
I replaced the regulator and now have 8.30v output from U4. The original 
regulator only put out 7.61v. Thankfully I had a used regulator on a 
parts board from a security system!!! hi hi...

Mike


Mike-WE0H wrote:
 Has anyone else had a 8v regulator (U4) on their control board show a 
 lower voltage than it should? Mine shows 7.61v with the board in the 
 radio or on the bench with a 14v supply connected to the input of that 
 regulator. All components and soldering look correct. The 5v regulator 
 is at 5.00v. All functions in the test procedure work as they should 
 except the AGC voltage couldn't be set to 3.80v because of the 8v buss 
 being at 7.61v, the AGC voltage changed as it should but was lower than 
 the 3.80v suggested for setting R1 to.

 Nothing runs hot or smells hot. What do you guys think? Bad regulator or???

 Many thanks,
 Mike
 WE0H
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Missed QSOs with N1MM and KUSB

2009-03-04 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Ignacy wrote:
 
 When the frequency is changed in N1MM by 500 Hz or so, the callsign in the
 input windows is wiped clean. 
 So if the frequency of K3 was changed by 10 KHz but the update in N1MM was
 by 1 Khz/s, anything one typed in one second disappeared the next second.
 
 
That seems like poor software design to me. If it really seems as if the
frequency updates are slow to reach the computer, perhaps you are connecting
to the K3 at a low baud rate. Make sure you are using 38400 to minimize any
delay in updating the frequency from the K3.

-
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http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack   http://www.g4ilo.com/blog.html G4ILO's
Bloghttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and FL-7000 amp

2009-03-04 Thread Barry Simpson
Hi Ron

I am using the K3/ FL7000 combo.

I did not have to put in any pull up resistors. The auto band change works
fine although wiring up the plugs was a bit tricky/ tedious - but well worth
doing.

I also did the ALC mod to the K3 and whilst it works with the FL7000 it is
rather unstable. The ALC level and hence the amplifier current continuously
varies over a small range. I did follow up Elecraft about this problem but
got a wishy washy sort of response which didn't help with the problem.

So I turned the ALC off and operate without it. It is very simple to set the
power out from the K3 to run the amplifier power you want. I usually run
mine at 400w out which is the legal limit here.

73

Barry  VK2BJ


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread d.cutter
I also wonder if it would be worthwhile buying higher spec coax.  Don't know 
what is used in the K3, but for the lengths involved it would be worth the 
investment to get short cables made in say LMR100 or RG142 etc if it's not 
already

David
G3UNA

 Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk wrote: 
 James Sarte wrote:
 
 
 At first I thought I did not have any noticeable birdies, but now it 
 seems that I have developed a few.  It's probably from moving cables 
 and such around inside the rig.
 
 
 
 We could really use a detailed set of photos of cables behind the synth 
 board(s), showing the complete step-by-step buildup of a good layout  - 
 and also examples showing what *not* to do.
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 73 from Ian GM3SEK
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[Elecraft] K3 - Wanted, KFL3A-250

2009-03-04 Thread Bruce Meier
If anyone has a KFL3A - 250 hz roofing filter they would like to sell,
please contact me off reflector.

Bruce - N1LN ( n...@arrl.net )

73,
Bruce - N1LN
(aka: NC4KW)
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Missed QSOs with N1MM and KUSB

2009-03-04 Thread Robert Naumann
My K3 with N1MM does not do anything erratic like this. This is not a
software issue.

Something is wrong in the configuration of this system - perhaps the USB to
RS232 port is defective or the parameters are incorrect.

73,

Bob W5OV

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Ignacy wrote:
 
 When the frequency is changed in N1MM by 500 Hz or so, the callsign in the
 input windows is wiped clean. 
 So if the frequency of K3 was changed by 10 KHz but the update in N1MM was
 by 1 Khz/s, anything one typed in one second disappeared the next second.
 
 
That seems like poor software design to me. If it really seems as if the
frequency updates are slow to reach the computer, perhaps you are connecting
to the K3 at a low baud rate. Make sure you are using 38400 to minimize any
delay in updating the frequency from the K3.

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack   http://www.g4ilo.com/blog.html G4ILO's
Bloghttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Control board U4 8v regulator issue

2009-03-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike,

The regulator is a 10% tolerance part, so any voltage between 7.2 and 
8.8 volts meets the spec for the regulator.  They have been running on 
the low side of the 8 volt nominal rating for some time now, and cause 
no harm other than the AGC Threshold voltage cannot be adjusted up to 
the level indicated in the manual.

Everything is proportional, and since the IF amplifier (which is 
controlled by the AGC) also runs off the 8 volt regulator, setting the 
AGC Threshold at its maximum setting works just fine.  The real 
consequence of low AGC Threshold voltage is that the S-meter setting get 
a bit 'squirrelly' when the voltage is lower.  If you are able to adjust 
the CAL S LO and CAL S HI for proper S-meter action, then all is well.

If you have trouble with the S-meter settings, add a 10k to 15k resistor 
across Control Board RP5 pins 3 and 4 - then readjust the AGC Threshold.

73,
Don W3FPR

Mike-WE0H wrote:
 Has anyone else had a 8v regulator (U4) on their control board show a 
 lower voltage than it should? Mine shows 7.61v with the board in the 
 radio or on the bench with a 14v supply connected to the input of that 
 regulator. All components and soldering look correct. The 5v regulator 
 is at 5.00v. All functions in the test procedure work as they should 
 except the AGC voltage couldn't be set to 3.80v because of the 8v buss 
 being at 7.61v, the AGC voltage changed as it should but was lower than 
 the 3.80v suggested for setting R1 to.

 Nothing runs hot or smells hot. What do you guys think? Bad regulator or???

 Many thanks,
 Mike
 WE0H
   

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[Elecraft] multiple Digests

2009-03-04 Thread Julius Fazekas

Yesterday I was getting dupes of the digests...

Today, I'm getting three of each. Problem with my email provider or on the 
sending side?

Cheers,
Julius

Julius Fazekas
N2WN

Tennessee Contest Group
http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html

Tennessee QSO Party
http://www.tnqp.org/

Elecraft K2/100 #4455
Elecraft K3/100 #366
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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject) fans on startup ???

2009-03-04 Thread Bill NY9H
Could it be the fans, when I power up they briefly turn on...

bill

At 10:30 PM 3/3/2009, Daniel B Beugelmans Md wrote:
Dear K3 reflector-

I have a question regarding my new to me K3- 100 with ATU.  Although 
it seems to work well, when I turn it on, I hear a fairly loud high 
pitched motor-like almost hissing sound, lasting for about two 
seconds. This sound is not always the same loudness, but is nearly 
always there. This happens whether the ATU is off or on,  and with 
nothing connected to my transceiver except for the power supply and 
antenna.  My transceiver is in the 600 series serial number range, 
and is stock except for the ATU, TCXO, 100 watt module, and a 400 HZ 
8 pole filter.  I seems to come from the right side of the 
rig.  Should I be concerned? I am using latest firmware.

Thanks,

Dan



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Re: [Elecraft] multiple Digests

2009-03-04 Thread Robert Naumann

It's people sending the same initial messages and subsequent responses to
multiple lists.

This is a netiquette no-no.



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Subject: [Elecraft] multiple Digests


Yesterday I was getting dupes of the digests...

Today, I'm getting three of each. Problem with my email provider or on the
sending side?

Cheers,
Julius

Julius Fazekas
N2WN

Tennessee Contest Group
http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html

Tennessee QSO Party
http://www.tnqp.org/

Elecraft K2/100 #4455
Elecraft K3/100 #366
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread James Sarte
Hello Grant,

There are some that are strong enough that when the antenna is removed, they
can still be heard a little bit above the noise floor.  For the most part
however, removing the antenna or changing over to the dummy load removes or
masks them completely.

It really does sound like some sort of synth noise, but I can't explain its
behavior with the antenna.  They are always in the same places, and when you
tune up or down the band, the tones will change in pitch until you pass a
certain frequency.

73,
James KC2UEE

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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

What you're hearing aren't birdies.  If they go away when you remove  
the antenna,  then obviously they're signals being picked up by the  
antenna from some source outside the radio.  Do you her them on  
another receiver connected to the same antenna?

Grant/NQ5T


On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:22 PM, James Sarte wrote:

 Dear group,



 At first I thought I did not have any noticeable birdies, but now it  
 seems
 that I have developed a few.  It's probably from moving cables and  
 such
 around inside the rig.



 When I tune quickly through a band, I can hear solid tones that  
 change in
 pitch as I move up or down in frequency.  The weird thing is, they  
 don't
 behave like I thought a birdie would.  In my case, disconnect the  
 antenna
 and the tone practically disappears below the noise floor.  Reinsert  
 the
 antenna, and it comes back.  Also, switching from my antenna on ANT1  
 to the
 dummy load on ANT2 or the RX connector removes the birdie as well.



 The NB has no effect, but the notch feature does.  For example,  
 moving the
 notch to 2700Hz wipes out a strong signal tone on 28.380



 I haven't tried the birdie mapping feature yet, so I thought I'd  
 ask. is
 what I'm hearing considered a birdie in this case, or just DDS  
 signal noise?



 73,

 James KC2UEE

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[Elecraft] K3 can now be readily mated to the Yaesu Quadra HF Amp

2009-03-04 Thread Tom Hammond
Thanks to pinout info from Joe, W4TV, and Kent, K9ZTV, the K3 can now be
fairly easily mated up to the Yaesu Quadra HF Amp.  Joe provided the
main set of pinouts and Kent offered up the key info for getting the
Quadra to go into auto-TUNE mode to allow its ATU to operate when the K3
was Keyed.

K9ZTV is now Field testing the configuration, but so far, things look very
good, and appear to be stable with respect to ALC control of the K3 drive
power. We're still working on getting the Quadra's ALC output voltage level
to that precise setting which will allow the K3 to be run at a drive level
lower than about 80W yet still adequately drive and control the Quadra.
The ALC works nicely, but we'd still like to be able to use about 40W of
drive so the ALC doesn't have to work nearly as hard to control the drive.
I believe we will find the 'sweet spot', but it will probably be a
combination of the K3's EXT ALC setting and the ALC SET value from the
Quadra.

If you would like to see a PDF of the current interconnection illustration,
please drop me an e-mail and I'll send the file to you... can't send PDFs
through the reflector... sorry.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Richard Ferch
James,

Any signal coming in from the antenna will change pitch when you tune the
radio in CW, SSB or DATA mode. That's not how you tell a birdie from a real
signal - it's removing the antenna that distinguishes them. A real signal
will either disappear entirely or at least become much weaker when the
antenna is removed. Internal birdies, on the other hand, usually sound
louder when the antenna is removed, because the noise floor surrounding them
drops.

Note also that there is a difference between the situation with nothing
connected to any of the K3's antenna connectors, and having anything at all,
such as an antenna switch or a dummy load or just a short piece of coax,
connected to one of the connectors. If the signal is still there with
nothing whatsoever touching any of the antenna connectors, then it is likely
a birdie internal to the radio. From your description, it sounds as if you
are hearing external signals, not birdies.

There are different kinds of birdies. Some are on fixed frequencies, just
like real signals, and others are harmonics that tune more rapidly than real
signals. The birdies that are removed by the new signal removal feature are
the ones that change pitch abnormally rapidly as you tune the radio.

With a real signal, if you change the receiver's frequency by 10 Hz, the
pitch of the signal changes by 10 Hz. With one of these fast birdies,
changing the tuning of the radio by 10 Hz might cause the pitch of the
birdie to change by 300 Hz. These fast birdies also change pitch when you
rotate the Shift control - real signals do not.

Using a 2.7 kHz roofing filter, as you tune past a real signal it will be
audible over a tuning range of about 2.7 kHz, and will sweep steadily from
very low to very high pitch (or vice versa) as you tune past it. In
contrast, a fast birdie might only be audible over a tuning range of about
100 Hz, i.e. as you tune the radio past the birdie it will jump right across
the audible range of pitches within only 100 Hz of dial movement. These are
the birdies that the signal removal feature works on. It doesn't work on
birdies that are on fixed frequencies and tune like real signals.

73,
Rich VE3KI



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Re: [Elecraft] multiple Digests

2009-03-04 Thread d.cutter
I occasionally get multiple copies of the same email and it's something to do 
with my provider: NTL; they don't always clear out of the server when received 
in my in tray.  I know this because I go to webmail to do the clearing 
manually.  

David
G3UNA


 Robert Naumann w...@w5ov.com wrote: 
 
 It's people sending the same initial messages and subsequent responses to
 multiple lists.
 
 This is a netiquette no-no.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julius Fazekas
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:55 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] multiple Digests
 
 
 Yesterday I was getting dupes of the digests...
 
 Today, I'm getting three of each. Problem with my email provider or on the
 sending side?
 
 Cheers,
 Julius
 
 Julius Fazekas
 N2WN
 
 Tennessee Contest Group
 http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html
 
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 http://www.tnqp.org/
 
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 Elecraft K3/100 #366
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I've had the cables all over the place. There seems to be only one cable
whose placement has a significant effect on birdies. That's the long
(10/25cm)cable running from J84 at the bottom of the Auxiliary KSYN3 board
to J85 on the KRX3 RF module. It should be dressed as shown in Figure 47 in
the KRX3 manual. In some cases it helps to keep it away from the tiny
toriods on the mixer board as well. Either run it across above the mixer
board as shown or work it down under the mixer board so it loops up between
the mixer board and the front panel shield to J85 on the KRX3 RF module.

Ron AC7AC 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:11 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

James Sarte wrote:


At first I thought I did not have any noticeable birdies, but now it 
seems that I have developed a few.  It's probably from moving cables 
and such around inside the rig.



We could really use a detailed set of photos of cables behind the synth 
board(s), showing the complete step-by-step buildup of a good layout  - 
and also examples showing what *not* to do.



-- 

73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread KC2UEE
Rich,

Many thanks for your reply.

From your description, it then sounds as if I'm hearing a real signal.  I do
have a theory that there may be some sort of electronic signal getting into
my feedline.  My coax isn't routed ideally, as a good portion of it runs
between two entertainment centers chock full of transformers, etc.

These birdies or signals as I hear them change in pitch over a wide range,
not just 100Hz.  For example, if I start at 28.375, I can hear a solid
tone.  As I go to 28.376, the tone pitch increases and so on until it peaks
at 28.380.  At 28.381, I can no longer hear it.  If I go back down in
frequency, the pattern repeats itself with the tone pitch decreasing.

I seem to hear these birdies spaced every 500-700 KHz.  I'm going by
memory now as I don't have the rig in front of me.

If I remove the antenna, most of them go away.  When I say most, I'd guess
about 98% of them.  Only some which are very strong are still barely
audible, but their behavior doesn't change as I tune around.  They are not
by your description fast tuning.

With the antenna connected, the loudest of these signals will peak my
S-meter at S3.  With no antenna, it may be an S0-S1.

Interestingly, removing the antenna does not affect the sub receiver as I
can still hear them a little bit when the sub is set to ANT1.  Switching the
sub to the BNC though, and all remaining signals disappear.

I'll have to play around a little bit more to determine the origin, but I
was surprised to suddenly hear all of these signals spaced quite evenly
apart.  I began to think that this was synthesizer noise, as it does sound
similar to the DDS signals.  I remember telling Wayne over the phone that I
was pleasantly surprised after the build, because the first thing I did was
to tune around the entire frequency range with no antenna attached to test
for birdies, and I did not hear any at all.

73,
James KC2UEE




On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca wrote:

 James,

 Any signal coming in from the antenna will change pitch when you tune the
 radio in CW, SSB or DATA mode. That's not how you tell a birdie from a real
 signal - it's removing the antenna that distinguishes them. A real signal
 will either disappear entirely or at least become much weaker when the
 antenna is removed. Internal birdies, on the other hand, usually sound
 louder when the antenna is removed, because the noise floor surrounding
 them
 drops.

 Note also that there is a difference between the situation with nothing
 connected to any of the K3's antenna connectors, and having anything at
 all,
 such as an antenna switch or a dummy load or just a short piece of coax,
 connected to one of the connectors. If the signal is still there with
 nothing whatsoever touching any of the antenna connectors, then it is
 likely
 a birdie internal to the radio. From your description, it sounds as if you
 are hearing external signals, not birdies.

 There are different kinds of birdies. Some are on fixed frequencies, just
 like real signals, and others are harmonics that tune more rapidly than
 real
 signals. The birdies that are removed by the new signal removal feature are
 the ones that change pitch abnormally rapidly as you tune the radio.

 With a real signal, if you change the receiver's frequency by 10 Hz, the
 pitch of the signal changes by 10 Hz. With one of these fast birdies,
 changing the tuning of the radio by 10 Hz might cause the pitch of the
 birdie to change by 300 Hz. These fast birdies also change pitch when you
 rotate the Shift control - real signals do not.

 Using a 2.7 kHz roofing filter, as you tune past a real signal it will be
 audible over a tuning range of about 2.7 kHz, and will sweep steadily from
 very low to very high pitch (or vice versa) as you tune past it. In
 contrast, a fast birdie might only be audible over a tuning range of
 about
 100 Hz, i.e. as you tune the radio past the birdie it will jump right
 across
 the audible range of pitches within only 100 Hz of dial movement. These are
 the birdies that the signal removal feature works on. It doesn't work on
 birdies that are on fixed frequencies and tune like real signals.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI



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[Elecraft] K-3 SSB AM Squelch

2009-03-04 Thread Phillip Buckholdt
 Hi

  Is there any progress in getting SSB squelch implemented ?  I would like 
to monitor 6 meters in my KRX3 while on lower bands. I can listen to 6 
meters now but have to listen to noise on the right speaker.

 Thanks
 Phil 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
I've had the cables all over the place. There seems to be only one 
cable whose placement has a significant effect on birdies. That's the 
long (10/25cm)cable running from J84 at the bottom of the Auxiliary 
KSYN3 board to J85 on the KRX3 RF module. It should be dressed as shown 
in Figure 47 in the KRX3 manual. In some cases it helps to keep it away 
from the tiny toriods on the mixer board as well. Either run it across 
above the mixer board as shown or work it down under the mixer board so 
it loops up between the mixer board and the front panel shield to J85 
on the KRX3 RF module.


Thanks, Ron.


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[Elecraft] K2 Intermitt

2009-03-04 Thread W B Reese
Dear Elecrafters,

For some years now my K2/100 S/N 838 has had an intermitt.

When I take it to a new location, it is generally jostled somewhat in 
moving it and hooking it up.

When all installed, everything works perfectly,... then...

Without warning, the received tone on the other guy gets holes in 
it.  Like a noise blanker is cutting out the audio on noise bursts, 
only the noise blanker is off and these holes are much bigger than 
noise blanker holes.  The holes get bigger and bigger until you can't 
read the other station, then, mysteriously, they go away and all is 
normal.  If you are transmitting during one of these episodes, the 
other station will report that you are breaking up.

Whatever it is, affects both transmitt and receive the same.

Some years ago I discovered that unplugging the anderson power 
connector on the rear and plugging it back in cleared the problem, 
but it troubled me that this is not a very good way to turn 
transistors on and off and it could result in transients.  It 
certainly made a loud pop in the loudspeaker.  Obviously, there was 
a problem in the power cord !  So the cord was replaced and the VCC 
was measured during a breaking up episode and found to be stable 
inside the K2/100.  So it was not the power cord.

The next solution was to turn K2 on it's left side and hit it with a 
good smart whack with my fist.  After one or two of these, the 
problem clears and does not come back until K2 is taken on a trip, 
and then it starts up again.

An easy fix and much less potentially destructive than jerking the 
power cord in and out.  Never the less, still embarrassing on field 
day when I'm out with the boys.

Does anyone have an idea what might be causing this ?

Thanks,

TR, WB6TMY
K2/100 S/N 838



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Bob Tellefsen
James
When you start looking around for sources of these external
signals, be prepared for some surprises.  I had a fairly
strong signal on 10m that was a real nuisance.  I turned
off the power to my house and it went away.  I finally
found it in the controller for our air mattress in the
bedroom.  Now, during a serious 10m effort, like the
ARRL 10m contest, I just unplug the controller until after
the contest.
73, Bob N6WG

- Original Message - 
From: KC2UEE kc2...@gmail.com
To: Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?


 Rich,

 Many thanks for your reply.

From your description, it then sounds as if I'm hearing a real signal.  I 
do
 have a theory that there may be some sort of electronic signal getting 
 into
 my feedline.  My coax isn't routed ideally, as a good portion of it runs
 between two entertainment centers chock full of transformers, etc.

 These birdies or signals as I hear them change in pitch over a wide range,
 not just 100Hz.  For example, if I start at 28.375, I can hear a solid
 tone.  As I go to 28.376, the tone pitch increases and so on until it 
 peaks
 at 28.380.  At 28.381, I can no longer hear it.  If I go back down in
 frequency, the pattern repeats itself with the tone pitch decreasing.

 I seem to hear these birdies spaced every 500-700 KHz.  I'm going by
 memory now as I don't have the rig in front of me.

 If I remove the antenna, most of them go away.  When I say most, I'd guess
 about 98% of them.  Only some which are very strong are still barely
 audible, but their behavior doesn't change as I tune around.  They are not
 by your description fast tuning.

 With the antenna connected, the loudest of these signals will peak my
 S-meter at S3.  With no antenna, it may be an S0-S1.

 Interestingly, removing the antenna does not affect the sub receiver as I
 can still hear them a little bit when the sub is set to ANT1.  Switching 
 the
 sub to the BNC though, and all remaining signals disappear.

 I'll have to play around a little bit more to determine the origin, but I
 was surprised to suddenly hear all of these signals spaced quite evenly
 apart.  I began to think that this was synthesizer noise, as it does sound
 similar to the DDS signals.  I remember telling Wayne over the phone that 
 I
 was pleasantly surprised after the build, because the first thing I did 
 was
 to tune around the entire frequency range with no antenna attached to test
 for birdies, and I did not hear any at all.

 73,
 James KC2UEE




 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca wrote:

 James,

 Any signal coming in from the antenna will change pitch when you tune the
 radio in CW, SSB or DATA mode. That's not how you tell a birdie from a 
 real
 signal - it's removing the antenna that distinguishes them. A real signal
 will either disappear entirely or at least become much weaker when the
 antenna is removed. Internal birdies, on the other hand, usually sound
 louder when the antenna is removed, because the noise floor surrounding
 them
 drops.

 Note also that there is a difference between the situation with nothing
 connected to any of the K3's antenna connectors, and having anything at
 all,
 such as an antenna switch or a dummy load or just a short piece of coax,
 connected to one of the connectors. If the signal is still there with
 nothing whatsoever touching any of the antenna connectors, then it is
 likely
 a birdie internal to the radio. From your description, it sounds as if 
 you
 are hearing external signals, not birdies.

 There are different kinds of birdies. Some are on fixed frequencies, just
 like real signals, and others are harmonics that tune more rapidly than
 real
 signals. The birdies that are removed by the new signal removal feature 
 are
 the ones that change pitch abnormally rapidly as you tune the radio.

 With a real signal, if you change the receiver's frequency by 10 Hz, the
 pitch of the signal changes by 10 Hz. With one of these fast birdies,
 changing the tuning of the radio by 10 Hz might cause the pitch of the
 birdie to change by 300 Hz. These fast birdies also change pitch when 
 you
 rotate the Shift control - real signals do not.

 Using a 2.7 kHz roofing filter, as you tune past a real signal it will be
 audible over a tuning range of about 2.7 kHz, and will sweep steadily 
 from
 very low to very high pitch (or vice versa) as you tune past it. In
 contrast, a fast birdie might only be audible over a tuning range of
 about
 100 Hz, i.e. as you tune the radio past the birdie it will jump right
 across
 the audible range of pitches within only 100 Hz of dial movement. These 
 are
 the birdies that the signal removal feature works on. It doesn't work on
 birdies that are on fixed frequencies and tune like real signals.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread KC2UEE
That particular TMP cable I have running underneath the KRX3 board, and over
the filters.

73,
James KC2UEE

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:

 I've had the cables all over the place. There seems to be only one cable
 whose placement has a significant effect on birdies. That's the long
 (10/25cm)cable running from J84 at the bottom of the Auxiliary KSYN3 board
 to J85 on the KRX3 RF module. It should be dressed as shown in Figure 47 in
 the KRX3 manual. In some cases it helps to keep it away from the tiny
 toriods on the mixer board as well. Either run it across above the mixer
 board as shown or work it down under the mixer board so it loops up between
 the mixer board and the front panel shield to J85 on the KRX3 RF module.

 Ron AC7AC

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian White GM3SEK
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:11 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

 James Sarte wrote:
 
 
 At first I thought I did not have any noticeable birdies, but now it
 seems that I have developed a few.  It's probably from moving cables
 and such around inside the rig.
 
 

 We could really use a detailed set of photos of cables behind the synth
 board(s), showing the complete step-by-step buildup of a good layout  -
 and also examples showing what *not* to do.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Dave Van Wallaghen
James,

I wound up running that one on top to diminish some of the birdies I had. In 
fact it almost eliminated most of them even with the antenna off and they ate 
certainly undetectable with the antenna connected.

73,
Dave W8FGU
-Original Message-
From: KC2UEE kc2...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:53:23 
To: Ron D'Eau Clairer...@cobi.biz
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?


That particular TMP cable I have running underneath the KRX3 board, and over
the filters.

73,
James KC2UEE

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:

 I've had the cables all over the place. There seems to be only one cable
 whose placement has a significant effect on birdies. That's the long
 (10/25cm)cable running from J84 at the bottom of the Auxiliary KSYN3 board
 to J85 on the KRX3 RF module. It should be dressed as shown in Figure 47 in
 the KRX3 manual. In some cases it helps to keep it away from the tiny
 toriods on the mixer board as well. Either run it across above the mixer
 board as shown or work it down under the mixer board so it loops up between
 the mixer board and the front panel shield to J85 on the KRX3 RF module.

 Ron AC7AC

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian White GM3SEK
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:11 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

 James Sarte wrote:
 
 
 At first I thought I did not have any noticeable birdies, but now it
 seems that I have developed a few.  It's probably from moving cables
 and such around inside the rig.
 
 

 We could really use a detailed set of photos of cables behind the synth
 board(s), showing the complete step-by-step buildup of a good layout  -
 and also examples showing what *not* to do.



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Re: [Elecraft] Nabble: new look and feel (if you read the Elecraft list on the web)

2009-03-04 Thread g3ymc


Well I certainly noticed the change and at the moment am not that convinced
it is for me. But maybe time will tell. Is there any way to set up my
preferences so it opens in the old style directly instead of having to click
the 'Topics View' button?

Thanks
73 Dave G3YMC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread KC2UEE
Aha!  I think you're on to something here Bill.

My RG-8 actually snakes its away around one of my entertainment centers
where I happen to have a cable modem, network switch, and seperate wireless
router all in the same spot.  I have a PS3, Xbox360, and an Onkyo TX-NR905
receiver all wired by CAT-5 into the switch, plus the wireless router also
wired into the switch is only a few inches away.  The RG-8 runs behind all
of that stuff, and if I recall, I simply have the cat5 cable laying loosely
around it.  There also happens to be several wall-wart transformers behind
the entertainment center, which I'm sure aren't helping the situation.

When I get home, I'll try and turn off the network devices and see what
happens.

Like you, I'm also a computer geek hihi.  I've got 2 home built PC's, a
Mac tower, and 3 laptops floating around the house all networked wirelessly.

It never crossed my mind to check the network for EMI... thanks again for
the suggestion!

73,
James KC2UEE

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM, William Evans w4ish.b...@w4ish.net wrote:

 James,
 I believe what you are hearing are harmonics from ethernet cables.  I
 listened on 28.380, and sure enough, I heard one of the tones there also
 which go away when I complete shield the antenna (dummy load) or remove it
 completely.  I have been meaning to do something about these numerous
 network induced tones for a long time, but I haven't gotten around to it
 since they affect the higher frequencies the most (i.e., the quieter
 bands).  Toroids and lots of shielding on all ethernet cables are required,
 and I have my whole house wired (about 6 computers, plus various routers,
 wi-fi, etc.  Often the switching power supplies for these units generate a
 lot of noise.)

 Bill
 W4ISH


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Joe Planisky
I find a portable (i.e. battery powered) short wave receiver very  
useful for tracking down local sources of EMI.  When I hear EMI that  
goes away when I remove the antenna on my K3, I get out my SWL  
receiver and tune it to the same frequency so I can hear the EMI on  
it.   With the telescoping whip antenna partially extended, I walk  
around the house, placing the tip of the whip near suspected devices.   
It's usually very obvious when you find the emitter as the signal  
rapidly gets louder as you get close.  I then make a note in my  
logbook of the frequency and the offending device so I know exactly  
which gadget to turn off if the need arises (assuming I can't easily  
fix the device.)

It's a little less disruptive than switching off circuit breakers.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, KC2UEE wrote:

 Aha!  I think you're on to something here Bill.

 My RG-8 actually snakes its away around one of my entertainment  
 centers
 where I happen to have a cable modem, network switch, and seperate  
 wireless
 router all in the same spot.  I have a PS3, Xbox360, and an Onkyo TX- 
 NR905
 receiver all wired by CAT-5 into the switch, plus the wireless  
 router also
 wired into the switch is only a few inches away.  The RG-8 runs  
 behind all
 of that stuff, and if I recall, I simply have the cat5 cable laying  
 loosely
 around it.  There also happens to be several wall-wart transformers  
 behind
 the entertainment center, which I'm sure aren't helping the situation.

 When I get home, I'll try and turn off the network devices and see  
 what
 happens.

 Like you, I'm also a computer geek hihi.  I've got 2 home built  
 PC's, a
 Mac tower, and 3 laptops floating around the house all networked  
 wirelessly.

 It never crossed my mind to check the network for EMI... thanks  
 again for
 the suggestion!

 73,
 James KC2UEE

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[Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob

2009-03-04 Thread David Gilbert
There are times when I'd like to spin the VFO B knob on the K3 a bit 
more quickly than its small size allows, or do so continuously without 
ratcheting my wrist.  I noticed that the guy who sells adhesive knob 
dimples also offers a replacement knob with a small crank for the FT-817.

http://www.fingerdimple.com/main/page_ft817_kranker.html

Anyone out there know if the FT-817 knob is similar in size (outside 
diameter, shaft diameter) to the knob used for VFO B on the K3?

Thanks es 73,
Dave   AB7E


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob

2009-03-04 Thread Neal

Dave,

I no longer have an 817, but I can tell you that the knob was definitely
smaller than the K3 VFO B knob.  In fact, I increased the size of it by
installing a rubber crutch tip.  :-)

You might consider a K2 knob.  It will hang a little low, but other than
that it should clear everything else.  The K2 knob is 1.5 in diameter.  I
put one on my K1.

73, Neal WA6OCP


David Gilbert wrote:
 
 There are times when I'd like to spin the VFO B knob on the K3 a bit 
 more quickly than its small size allows, or do so continuously without 
 ratcheting my wrist.  I noticed that the guy who sells adhesive knob 
 dimples also offers a replacement knob with a small crank for the FT-817.
 
 http://www.fingerdimple.com/main/page_ft817_kranker.html
 
 Anyone out there know if the FT-817 knob is similar in size (outside 
 diameter, shaft diameter) to the knob used for VFO B on the K3?
 
 Thanks es 73,
 Dave   AB7E
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob

2009-03-04 Thread Erik N Basilier
Neal, I am also interested. Is the K2 knob covered by rubber, like the main 
K3 knob?

73, Erik K7TV

- Original Message - 
From: Neal wir...@prodigy.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob



 Dave,

 I no longer have an 817, but I can tell you that the knob was definitely
 smaller than the K3 VFO B knob.  In fact, I increased the size of it by
 installing a rubber crutch tip.  :-)

 You might consider a K2 knob.  It will hang a little low, but other than
 that it should clear everything else.  The K2 knob is 1.5 in diameter.  I
 put one on my K1.

 73, Neal WA6OCP



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[Elecraft] March 2009 PBMME

2009-03-04 Thread Ron Polityka
Hello,

 Spring is hear and the last PBMME of the season is upon us.

 14 March 2009 Polar Bear Moonlight Madness Event.

The O-Fish-Al Polar Bear List and PB Ops that plan on going out to the trail 
can be found at:

www.n3epa.org  Stop back on 13 March 2009 and check the latest PB Ops list.

I plan on starting out with a several mile hike on the Appalachian Trail in 
the early morning and camp over night. We might be on the air some time 
after 18:00 UTC. We will also participate in the Elecraft QP that day and 
night. The hike is weather permitting.

If you hear a CQ PB from a station on HF, stop by and say hello.

I will be using my Elecraft K2, mostly on CW.

72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/

K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Intermitt

2009-03-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
TR,

Those conditions sound like you have an intermittent connection inside 
that K2 somewhere.  Since it is a problem for both transmit and receive, 
it could be in the BFO or the PLL/VCO circuits.
If it only occurs on one or two bands, then the problem spot could be 
either the bandpass filter or the low pass filter, but if it occurs on 
all bands, it must be in either the BFO or VCO.

If I had to take bets, I would say the BFO is the more likely.  I would 
replace the BFO crystals (which means a new filter alignment), the 2 
Varactors (D37 and D38), and L33.

Often in cases like this (when one cannot induce the failure to 
troubleshoot), it is quicker and easier just to make an educated guess 
and replace most everything associated with that circuit - that thinking 
often is better than the frustration that results from trying one 
component at a time.

73,
Don W3FPR

W B Reese wrote:
 Dear Elecrafters,

 For some years now my K2/100 S/N 838 has had an intermitt.

 When I take it to a new location, it is generally jostled somewhat in 
 moving it and hooking it up.

 When all installed, everything works perfectly,... then...

 Without warning, the received tone on the other guy gets holes in 
 it.  Like a noise blanker is cutting out the audio on noise bursts, 
 only the noise blanker is off and these holes are much bigger than 
 noise blanker holes.  The holes get bigger and bigger until you can't 
 read the other station, then, mysteriously, they go away and all is 
 normal.  If you are transmitting during one of these episodes, the 
 other station will report that you are breaking up.

 Whatever it is, affects both transmitt and receive the same.

 Some years ago I discovered that unplugging the anderson power 
 connector on the rear and plugging it back in cleared the problem, 
 but it troubled me that this is not a very good way to turn 
 transistors on and off and it could result in transients.  It 
 certainly made a loud pop in the loudspeaker.  Obviously, there was 
 a problem in the power cord !  So the cord was replaced and the VCC 
 was measured during a breaking up episode and found to be stable 
 inside the K2/100.  So it was not the power cord.

 The next solution was to turn K2 on it's left side and hit it with a 
 good smart whack with my fist.  After one or two of these, the 
 problem clears and does not come back until K2 is taken on a trip, 
 and then it starts up again.

 An easy fix and much less potentially destructive than jerking the 
 power cord in and out.  Never the less, still embarrassing on field 
 day when I'm out with the boys.

 Does anyone have an idea what might be causing this ?

 Thanks,

 TR, WB6TMY
 K2/100 S/N 838
   

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[Elecraft] K3 + LP Pan + Microkeyer II

2009-03-04 Thread Jim Hoge
Greetings,
 
Are there any issues I need to be aware of for the setup of my K3 with an LP 
Pan and a Microkeyer II? I don't claim to be a computer wiz by any stretch but 
would like to add an LP Pan and a Microkeyer to my K3 setup. My only experience 
has been in interfacing a Mk-V and a Rigblaster, certainly yesterday's 
technology. Advice and opinions are appreciated. BTW, my computer is a Core 2 
running XP, 4 gig of ram, a good but I forgot who video card, and currently 
only the onboard soundcard.
 
tnx,
Jim W5QM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob

2009-03-04 Thread T Gahagan
Hi Dave,
I've been using a K2  vfo knob for my K3 B vfo for some months now.  The 
profile of the back of the K2 knob is proper to allow for clearance of the 
fastening nut on the B encoder shaft.  However, the shafts are different 
diameters.  The K2 VFO shaft is slightly smaller so the hole must be 
enlarged to fit the K3 B vfo shaft.  I had a machinist friend do that.  (One 
may be able to do the same on a drill press.)  I like the feel of the 
weighted K2 knob and also use a finger dimple on it.  It makes B vfo tuning 
much easier.  The K2 knob does not obscure  the B vfo label on the K3.

- Original Message - 
From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com
To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:14 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob


 There are times when I'd like to spin the VFO B knob on the K3 a bit
 more quickly than its small size allows, or do so continuously without
 ratcheting my wrist.  I noticed that the guy who sells adhesive knob
 dimples also offers a replacement knob with a small crank for the FT-817.

 http://www.fingerdimple.com/main/page_ft817_kranker.html

 Anyone out there know if the FT-817 knob is similar in size (outside
 diameter, shaft diameter) to the knob used for VFO B on the K3?

 Thanks es 73,
 Dave   AB7E


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread James Sarte
Hi Joe and gang,

I found the source of my birdie... ended up being a Linksys 54g wireless
router running a custom Linux kernel.  The second I unplugged it from the
mains, all noise dissipated on the K3.  Amazing really that it was so easy
to find!  Special thanks to Bill W4ISH for pointing me in the right
direction.

Anyway, any suggestions on isolating my feedline?  Would ferrite chokes on
the RG-8 work?  I can't unplug the router for long periods of time as other
machines in my house require a constant network connection.

73,
James KC2UEE

-Original Message-
From: Joe Planisky [mailto:jp...@jeffnet.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:01 PM
To: KC2UEE
Cc: Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

I find a portable (i.e. battery powered) short wave receiver very  
useful for tracking down local sources of EMI.  When I hear EMI that  
goes away when I remove the antenna on my K3, I get out my SWL  
receiver and tune it to the same frequency so I can hear the EMI on  
it.   With the telescoping whip antenna partially extended, I walk  
around the house, placing the tip of the whip near suspected devices.   
It's usually very obvious when you find the emitter as the signal  
rapidly gets louder as you get close.  I then make a note in my  
logbook of the frequency and the offending device so I know exactly  
which gadget to turn off if the need arises (assuming I can't easily  
fix the device.)

It's a little less disruptive than switching off circuit breakers.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, KC2UEE wrote:

 Aha!  I think you're on to something here Bill.

 My RG-8 actually snakes its away around one of my entertainment  
 centers
 where I happen to have a cable modem, network switch, and seperate  
 wireless
 router all in the same spot.  I have a PS3, Xbox360, and an Onkyo TX- 
 NR905
 receiver all wired by CAT-5 into the switch, plus the wireless  
 router also
 wired into the switch is only a few inches away.  The RG-8 runs  
 behind all
 of that stuff, and if I recall, I simply have the cat5 cable laying  
 loosely
 around it.  There also happens to be several wall-wart transformers  
 behind
 the entertainment center, which I'm sure aren't helping the situation.

 When I get home, I'll try and turn off the network devices and see  
 what
 happens.

 Like you, I'm also a computer geek hihi.  I've got 2 home built  
 PC's, a
 Mac tower, and 3 laptops floating around the house all networked  
 wirelessly.

 It never crossed my mind to check the network for EMI... thanks  
 again for
 the suggestion!

 73,
 James KC2UEE

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread Vic K2VCO
James Sarte wrote:
 Hi Joe and gang,
 
 I found the source of my birdie... ended up being a Linksys 54g wireless
 router running a custom Linux kernel.  The second I unplugged it from the
 mains, all noise dissipated on the K3.  Amazing really that it was so easy
 to find!  Special thanks to Bill W4ISH for pointing me in the right
 direction.
 
 Anyway, any suggestions on isolating my feedline?  Would ferrite chokes on
 the RG-8 work?  I can't unplug the router for long periods of time as other
 machines in my house require a constant network connection.

The coax may be getting noise from the router and cables on the outside of the 
braid. This 
then flows up to the antenna, where it is picked up. A coaxial choke or balun 
at the 
antenna end of the coax might help.
-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Yes subscribe to r...@contesting.com and search those archives.  Routers and
switches and hubs are notorious for generating crud. 


A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over. Ben Franklin
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:58 PM
To: 'Joe Planisky'; 'KC2UEE'
Cc: 'Elecraft list'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

Hi Joe and gang,

I found the source of my birdie... ended up being a Linksys 54g wireless
router running a custom Linux kernel.  The second I unplugged it from the
mains, all noise dissipated on the K3.  Amazing really that it was so easy
to find!  Special thanks to Bill W4ISH for pointing me in the right
direction.

Anyway, any suggestions on isolating my feedline?  Would ferrite chokes on
the RG-8 work?  I can't unplug the router for long periods of time as other
machines in my house require a constant network connection.

73,
James KC2UEE

-Original Message-
From: Joe Planisky [mailto:jp...@jeffnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:01 PM
To: KC2UEE
Cc: Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

I find a portable (i.e. battery powered) short wave receiver very useful for
tracking down local sources of EMI.  When I hear EMI that goes away when I
remove the antenna on my K3, I get out my SWL receiver and tune it to the
same frequency so I can hear the EMI on  
it.   With the telescoping whip antenna partially extended, I walk  
around the house, placing the tip of the whip near suspected devices.   
It's usually very obvious when you find the emitter as the signal rapidly
gets louder as you get close.  I then make a note in my logbook of the
frequency and the offending device so I know exactly which gadget to turn
off if the need arises (assuming I can't easily fix the device.)

It's a little less disruptive than switching off circuit breakers.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, KC2UEE wrote:

 Aha!  I think you're on to something here Bill.

 My RG-8 actually snakes its away around one of my entertainment 
 centers where I happen to have a cable modem, network switch, and 
 seperate wireless router all in the same spot.  I have a PS3, Xbox360, 
 and an Onkyo TX-
 NR905
 receiver all wired by CAT-5 into the switch, plus the wireless router 
 also wired into the switch is only a few inches away.  The RG-8 runs 
 behind all of that stuff, and if I recall, I simply have the cat5 
 cable laying loosely around it.  There also happens to be several 
 wall-wart transformers behind the entertainment center, which I'm sure 
 aren't helping the situation.

 When I get home, I'll try and turn off the network devices and see 
 what happens.

 Like you, I'm also a computer geek hihi.  I've got 2 home built PC's, 
 a Mac tower, and 3 laptops floating around the house all networked 
 wirelessly.

 It never crossed my mind to check the network for EMI... thanks again 
 for the suggestion!

 73,
 James KC2UEE

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob

2009-03-04 Thread W7TEA

I was thinking that having a rubberized knob would be helpful.  If Elecraft
came out with a suitable knob replacement, I'd sure order one.  

73, Gary W7TEA



David Gilbert wrote:
 
 There are times when I'd like to spin the VFO B knob on the K3 a bit 
 more quickly than its small size allows, or do so continuously without 
 ratcheting my wrist.  I noticed that the guy who sells adhesive knob 
 dimples also offers a replacement knob with a small crank for the FT-817.
 
 http://www.fingerdimple.com/main/page_ft817_kranker.html
 
 Anyone out there know if the FT-817 knob is similar in size (outside 
 diameter, shaft diameter) to the knob used for VFO B on the K3?
 
 Thanks es 73,
 Dave   AB7E
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

2009-03-04 Thread David Gilbert

I've played around extensively with the cables in the K3 to see what 
worked best, and as others (including Wayne) have noted, cable positions 
that minimize one birdie might be poor for another.  I'm convinced it 
also makes a big difference whether or not you have the KRX3 subreceiver 
installed, and I suspect that some signals are being conducted by the 
shield of the KRX3 itself.  I can short the top of the KRX3 shield to 
the chassis at its far rear corner (looking from the front of the rig) 
and cut the strength of several birdies in half. 

I agree with Ron, though, that routing the cable to J85 on the KRX3 is 
best done under the mixer board ... that made a large difference on 
certain birdies without adversely affecting others that I could tell.

The other cable that seemed to have a big impact for me is the one going 
from J2 on the KREF3 board to J83 on the KSYN3 board.  Some birdies are 
weakest when that cable is pressed down closer to the main RF board, but 
it makes others stronger.  Most of the birdies are weaker when that 
cable is positioned just barely on top of the KRX3 shield ... running 
along the front corner as closely as possible for as far as possible.  I 
noticed while playing around with that cable that if I held it between 
the thumb and index finger of each hand that I could almost totally mute 
certain birdies that were otherwise a solid S-2.  So, in an experiment 
I'm somewhat embarrassed to acknowledge, I placed 4 x 6 sheets of 1/8 
inch thick high density conductive anti-static foam inside zip-lock 
sandwich bags (to avoid shorting anything in the K3) and tried to 
isolate that and other cables from each other and from various parts of 
the K3 with what I thought might be lossy shielding at UHF frequencies.  
Rolling up some of the foam into about a one inch diameter roll and 
placing it between the cable going to J2 of the KREF3 board and the 
KREF3 board itself significantly cut several 40m birdies down in 
strength, but it didn't affect the S-3 one at 7259.48 at all.  I 
abandoned the foam and repositioned the cable along the front edge of 
the KRX3 shield.

One thing I noticed, though, was that the can for the KTCXO (plugged 
into a socket on the KREF3 board) was extremely sensitive.  If I touched 
it with my finger the strength of the birdies increased dramatically.  I 
assume the can is supposed to provide shielding and is probably grounded 
via one of its pins, but it sits pretty far off the socket and I'm 
wondering whether it shouldn't be more effectively bonded to ground.  I 
built a K2 several years ago and if I remember correctly the 
instructions required that the cans of the crystals be grounded with 
wires that I soldered to them.  I'd be willing to try bonding the can of 
the KTCXO to ground with some sort of clip if anyone from Elecraft can 
tell me that I won't ruin something doing so.

I've had the chance to beta test the SIG RMV birdie removal software and 
I find it works very well.  I purposely left a half dozen birdies 
untreated so that I could check out other potential remedies such as the 
(ahem) conductive foam, but at this point I've gone back and zapped them 
with SIG RMV and I'm happy with that.  My advice to others would be to 
position the cables as best you can per the descriptions that have been 
given by others here on the reflector, and then use SIG RMV to finish 
the job when it becomes universally available.  Since SIG RMV alters the 
frequency of the birdie itself as you tune across it, it totally removes 
the birdie ... it doesn't just weaken it.  It's a very clever piece of 
engineering.

If anyone is interested in seeing my cable routing as a starting point, 
the links below might help.  I make no claim whatsoever that they will 
work for anyone else.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee141/xazdave/K3CableRouting1.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee141/xazdave/K3CableRouting2.jpg

73,
Dave   AB7E






Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 I've had the cables all over the place. There seems to be only one cable
 whose placement has a significant effect on birdies. That's the long
 (10/25cm)cable running from J84 at the bottom of the Auxiliary KSYN3 board
 to J85 on the KRX3 RF module. It should be dressed as shown in Figure 47 in
 the KRX3 manual. In some cases it helps to keep it away from the tiny
 toriods on the mixer board as well. Either run it across above the mixer
 board as shown or work it down under the mixer board so it loops up between
 the mixer board and the front panel shield to J85 on the KRX3 RF module.

 Ron AC7AC 

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian White GM3SEK
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:11 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 birdies - question?

 James Sarte wrote:
   
 At first I thought I did not have any noticeable birdies, but now it 
 seems that I have developed a few.  It's probably 

[Elecraft] K3: panel fitment and alignment?

2009-03-04 Thread James Sarte
Dear group,

 

While I have all panels securely mounted to the point that I don't have any
major issues, I have noted that my top and rear panel alignment has been
slightly off.  This is in the sense that when securing those particular
panels down, the screw holes don't align themselves with the holes drilled
in those particular panels.  Has anyone else noted such an anomaly, and if
so what was the remedy?  Now that I have the rig working as expected, I
figured I'd just loosen the 2D fasteners on the main board enough to get the
holes in the rear and top panels aligned up correctly.

 

73,

James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: panel fitment and alignment?

2009-03-04 Thread Robert Naumann
My guess is that you don't have the 2D fasteners oriented properly.

Mine was like this too, but then I flipped a couple of them around and they
lined up perfectly.

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:26 PM
To: 'Elecraft list'
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: panel fitment and alignment?

Dear group,

 

While I have all panels securely mounted to the point that I don't have any
major issues, I have noted that my top and rear panel alignment has been
slightly off.  This is in the sense that when securing those particular
panels down, the screw holes don't align themselves with the holes drilled
in those particular panels.  Has anyone else noted such an anomaly, and if
so what was the remedy?  Now that I have the rig working as expected, I
figured I'd just loosen the 2D fasteners on the main board enough to get the
holes in the rear and top panels aligned up correctly.

 

73,

James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 + LP Pan + Microkeyer II

2009-03-04 Thread Robert Naumann
Jim,

Your LP Pan system should not be connected to, or interact with your
MicroKeyer whatsoever. You will need a sound card (or external USB sound
unit like the EMU 0202) dedicated to LP-Pan duty.

Follow the instructions and you'll be up and running quickly.

73,

Bob W5OV



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoge
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:30 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 + LP Pan + Microkeyer II

Greetings,
 
Are there any issues I need to be aware of for the setup of my K3 with an LP
Pan and a Microkeyer II? I don't claim to be a computer wiz by any stretch
but would like to add an LP Pan and a Microkeyer to my K3 setup. My only
experience has been in interfacing a Mk-V and a Rigblaster, certainly
yesterday's technology. Advice and opinions are appreciated. BTW, my
computer is a Core 2 running XP, 4 gig of ram, a good but I forgot who video
card, and currently only the onboard soundcard.
 
tnx,
Jim W5QM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 + LP Pan + Microkeyer II

2009-03-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 Your LP Pan system should not be connected to, or interact 
 with your MicroKeyer whatsoever. 

There is one correction ... the LP-Bridge software should 
connect to the K3 through the CAT virtual port in microHAM 
Router and all applications (including PowerSDR or HRD) that 
access the K# CAT interface should connect to ports provided 
by LP-Bridge.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naumann
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:53 PM
 To: knowk...@sbcglobal.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 + LP Pan + Microkeyer II
 
 
 Jim,
 
 Your LP Pan system should not be connected to, or interact 
 with your MicroKeyer whatsoever. You will need a sound card 
 (or external USB sound unit like the EMU 0202) dedicated to 
 LP-Pan duty.
 
 Follow the instructions and you'll be up and running quickly.
 
 73,
 
 Bob W5OV
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoge
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:30 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 + LP Pan + Microkeyer II
 
 Greetings,
  
 Are there any issues I need to be aware of for the setup of 
 my K3 with an LP Pan and a Microkeyer II? I don't claim to be 
 a computer wiz by any stretch but would like to add an LP Pan 
 and a Microkeyer to my K3 setup. My only experience has been 
 in interfacing a Mk-V and a Rigblaster, certainly yesterday's 
 technology. Advice and opinions are appreciated. BTW, my 
 computer is a Core 2 running XP, 4 gig of ram, a good but I 
 forgot who video card, and currently only the onboard soundcard.
  
 tnx,
 Jim W5QM 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: panel fitment and alignment?

2009-03-04 Thread Tom Hammond
James:

There can be a 'cumulative' fit error sometimes.

When I assemble a new K3, I leave all of the screws which attach to the
2D connectors (incl. those going thru the RF board holes), slightly loose
until I do the final 'snugging' of everything somewhere toward the end of
the main assembly process.

This usually helps to minimize any possibility of cumulative fit errors.

If you have your K3 all built, try loosening all of the EXTERIOR screws
which go into a 2D connector, and then retighten them.

Good luck,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

At 20:25 03/04/2009, you wrote:
Dear group,



While I have all panels securely mounted to the point that I don't have any
major issues, I have noted that my top and rear panel alignment has been
slightly off.  This is in the sense that when securing those particular
panels down, the screw holes don't align themselves with the holes drilled
in those particular panels.  Has anyone else noted such an anomaly, and if
so what was the remedy?  Now that I have the rig working as expected, I
figured I'd just loosen the 2D fasteners on the main board enough to get the
holes in the rear and top panels aligned up correctly.



73,

James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Control board U4 8v regulator issueSolved problem

2009-03-04 Thread Mike-WE0H
I want to thank all you people for the tips, mods  suggestions that you 
emailed direct. Much appreciated. The radio is testing 100% now with the 
new used regulator which puts out 8.30v. I saved the original 7.61v 
regulator along with the mod procedure to make it work if I need to. A 
shame the regulator manufacturer sells a 8v regulator that is barely at 
the minimum end of it's spec's, but it is good that the K2 can be 
modified to work with the lower voltage regulator if need be.

Now onto stuffing the other components into the RF board...

Mike
WE0H
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: panel fitment and alignment?

2009-03-04 Thread James Sarte
Thanks Tom, will give that a try this weekend; perhaps after the LIMARC
hamfest this Sunday.

I've taken my rig apart about 4 times already during the course of
troubleshooting, and don't have any real desire to do it again after getting
everything working, but I guess I'm a perfectionist, and will have to get
these minor things worked out as well.

73,
James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hammond [mailto:n...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:20 PM
To: James Sarte; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: panel fitment and alignment?

James:

There can be a 'cumulative' fit error sometimes.

When I assemble a new K3, I leave all of the screws which attach to the
2D connectors (incl. those going thru the RF board holes), slightly loose
until I do the final 'snugging' of everything somewhere toward the end of
the main assembly process.

This usually helps to minimize any possibility of cumulative fit errors.

If you have your K3 all built, try loosening all of the EXTERIOR screws
which go into a 2D connector, and then retighten them.

Good luck,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

At 20:25 03/04/2009, you wrote:
Dear group,



While I have all panels securely mounted to the point that I don't have any
major issues, I have noted that my top and rear panel alignment has been
slightly off.  This is in the sense that when securing those particular
panels down, the screw holes don't align themselves with the holes drilled
in those particular panels.  Has anyone else noted such an anomaly, and if
so what was the remedy?  Now that I have the rig working as expected, I
figured I'd just loosen the 2D fasteners on the main board enough to get
the
holes in the rear and top panels aligned up correctly.



73,

James KC2UEE (soon to be K3JPS)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob

2009-03-04 Thread Tony Morgan
The diameter of the FT-817 knob is about 13/16.
The mounting hole is slightly smaller than the K3
vfo b knob but could probably be carefully drilled out and made to fit.

73,

Tony, W7GO

Erik N Basilier wrote:
 Neal, I am also interested. Is the K2 knob covered by rubber, like the main 
 K3 knob?

 73, Erik K7TV

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 From: Neal wir...@prodigy.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B Knob


   
 Dave,

 I no longer have an 817, but I can tell you that the knob was definitely
 smaller than the K3 VFO B knob.  In fact, I increased the size of it by
 installing a rubber crutch tip.  :-)

 You might consider a K2 knob.  It will hang a little low, but other than
 that it should clear everything else.  The K2 knob is 1.5 in diameter.  I
 put one on my K1.

 73, Neal WA6OCP

 


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[Elecraft] [K3] K3 FM Repeater

2009-03-04 Thread Jim - W6VAR

I have K3 #1644 with all hardware mods except the negative ALC and firmware
2.82.

We have a local 6 meter repeater that I can hit from my house with my
handheld on a J-Pole or via my car with an IC-7000. The repeater frequency
is 52.900 with a -500 offset for transmit on 52.400 and the CTSS tone is
114.8. For some reason, my K3 will not trip the repeater, but will trip
other repeaters in the area when set to their attributes.

I've monitored my output signal on my Yaeseu VX7 and verified that I am
indeed transmitting on the correct frequency and I have engaged and
disengage tone squelch on the VX7 to see if the correct CTSS tone is being
transmitted. This appears correct.

I spoke with another indivdual on our 2M repeater and he is experiencing the
same thing with a commercial radio converted to 6M. 

Are there any thoughts as to what the attribute of the K3 or the repeater is
that is not allowing the K3 to function properly on this repeater?

73,

Jim - W6VAR
K3# 1644

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