Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
I'll give that a try Mike. Thanks. Pete, W1RM -Original Message- From: K2MK [mailto:k...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:02 AM To: w...@arrl.net; Elecraft Reflector Subject: re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset Hi Pete: I'm using the PROSET sold by Elecraft. You can get more audio output from your headphones by plugging them into the rear speaker jack. Set CONFIG:SPKRS to 2 (for stereo). 73, Mike K2MK Peter Chamalian Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:07:34 -0700 I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I currently have a Heil Pro Set Quite Phone with the DX (HC-4) element. I find a) the audio level in the headset to be rather low and b) just got some mic audio comments from a local saying the audio didn't sound like me at all. So, what are others using or how do you have your rig set up? Thanks, Pete, W1RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
[snip] I use the Proset 5 (HC-5 element) with good results and comments. Even though I normally use hearing aids when out in the world (but not when hamming) I find that Audio Gain set to Lo is fine for me. I also use the Heil HM-5 when not wearing the headset. I'm told that audio sounds great regardless of mic. -- 73, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA Radio: Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859 Antenna: Titan-DX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Problem with power output
Hi we just ended in the IARU Region I SSB Fieldday There was a strange behavior of my K3 which I don?t know from the CW-Contests where I normally take part. When transmitting 100W into a non 1:1 SWR the K3 reduced output power. That o.k. and normal. After the external symmetrical tuner hits SWR 1:1 the power stayed down at 30-40 watts with the power display showing 100W. We had to go back with the power knob to Zero and then back again to 100W to reach 100W again This problem did only show up in SSB not in CW. Is that normal? or is it a firmware bug? I?m using a K3/100 (S/N 2702) without KAT3 tuner (but it is already ordered) and I?m also using the newest beta software v3.30 -- /*73 de*/ /*Wolfgang DK9VZ*/ w...@dk9vz.com mailto:w...@dk9vz.com http://dk9vz.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Major Defection from Yaesuistan
K5RC, iconic contester now building another super-station in the NV Sierra, reports he has finally ordered a pair of K3s to replace a pair of MPs. Although Tom is from Texas, he acted like a Missourian, waiting until the world showed him ample evidence that the switch would be worthwhile. Welcome aboard, Tom! /Rick N6XI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 She rwood List
Very few of the 7600,7700 and 7800 owners will recognize that K3 costing way less is equal or superior on some cases than theirs,surely they feel embarrased to have spent so much in such those Icoms when then we with $3K or less are doing the same job they do... Like Johnny, I have most of the mentioned Icom rigs as well as a K3, but I'm not sure I've been embarrassed about the Icom purchasing decisions. To Dave Yarnes' point, there are indeed some positive operating and ergonomic attributes of the Icoms that the K3 does not have -- but those same attributes also allow the K3 to be used in a manner not feasible with the Icoms (e.g., size and weight for grab-'n-go portable operations). So, looking at the feature set requires looking beyond what one product has or doesn't have to offer. From a performance perspective, I doubt I will ever see the positive benefits of the K3's strong signal handling performance. Living in a gated community with all its limitations mask that superior benefit -- as well as the other limitations already raised -- SSB Tx IMD and CW clicks from other stations. But at the same time, look at how much attention has been given to Tx performance in the last five years. We finally have a set of transceivers on the market that minimize transmitted spectrum in CW mode. Now that the CW keyed envelope and ALC issues have been solved, the next hurdle is keep pushing for better Tx IMD specs. When that happens, then I suspect more ops can then take advantage of the K3's close-spaced receive performance. Paul, W9AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] For sale: Telepost LP-PAN adapter, EMU0202 audio interface+cables.
For sale is a %100 working Telepost LP-Pan software defined IQ panadapter ,a EMU 0202 USB audio interface and all cables. Currently using with a K3. $210 shipped,Paypal ok. Steve-K3PIN =) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/For-sale-Telepost-LP-PAN-adapter-EMU0202-audio-interface-cables-tp3593268p3593268.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re: Re: K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List
Now that the CW keyed envelope and ALC issues have been solved, the next hurdle is keep pushing for better Tx IMD specs. When that happens, then I suspect more ops can then take advantage of the K3's close-spaced receive performance. I think a higher priority target should be transmitted phase noise. My neighbor's Icom generally wipes out most of whatever band he's on - at least +/- 100 KHz whether he's on CW or SSB. The K3 copes far better with the blocking effects than any other rig I've had but transmitted phase noise is impossible to avoid. BTW, the interesting new entry on the Sherwood list is the Flex-3000. While not in the K3 class, it shows rather good narrow IMD specs. Like the Flex-5000 it could stand some work on the LO noise front but blocking and LO noise data is still comparable with some other well known rigs - including the 7600 and K2. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul Christensen Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 12:24 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft][K3] Re: Re: K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List Very few of the 7600,7700 and 7800 owners will recognize that K3 costing way less is equal or superior on some cases than theirs,surely they feel embarrased to have spent so much in such those Icoms when then we with $3K or less are doing the same job they do... Like Johnny, I have most of the mentioned Icom rigs as well as a K3, but I'm not sure I've been embarrassed about the Icom purchasing decisions. To Dave Yarnes' point, there are indeed some positive operating and ergonomic attributes of the Icoms that the K3 does not have -- but those same attributes also allow the K3 to be used in a manner not feasible with the Icoms (e.g., size and weight for grab-'n-go portable operations). So, looking at the feature set requires looking beyond what one product has or doesn't have to offer. From a performance perspective, I doubt I will ever see the positive benefits of the K3's strong signal handling performance. Living in a gated community with all its limitations mask that superior benefit -- as well as the other limitations already raised -- SSB Tx IMD and CW clicks from other stations. But at the same time, look at how much attention has been given to Tx performance in the last five years. We finally have a set of transceivers on the market that minimize transmitted spectrum in CW mode. Now that the CW keyed envelope and ALC issues have been solved, the next hurdle is keep pushing for better Tx IMD specs. When that happens, then I suspect more ops can then take advantage of the K3's close-spaced receive performance. Paul, W9AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
I am using a Labtec Axis-302 headset wired to the front 8 pin K3 socket and a 3.5mm/.25 adapter for the earpiece side. The mic audio from the supplied electret insert isn't quite as good for my voice as a Heil HC-5, so I replaced the electret with a HC-5 insert hot melt glued in place, plus a foam windsock over it. The result looks and sounds good. I find the HC-5 inserts in stick mics like the GM-5 a bit weak for my liking, the headset approach is better for me. Unfortunately the HC-5 insert as a replacement part seems hard to come by these days. 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 - I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I use the absolutely cheapest PC-headset, I could find. Great reports... Svend, OZ7UV TDC Bredbånd for 0 kr. - Spar 695 kr. Se http://tdc.dk/freemailtilbud/ Denne mail er sendt via Mail på TDC Online - Læs mere om TDC's mailtjeneste på http://mail.tdconline.dk/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
I use a ATR- 30 cost me $22.95 delivered it came with a 16 ft 3 pin XLR cable the only difference between it and my Heil Gold Pro is the price. Regards Art ka9zap Svend Spanget wrote: Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I use the absolutely cheapest PC-headset, I could find. Great reports... Svend, OZ7UV TDC Bredbånd for 0 kr. - Spar 695 kr. Se http://tdc.dk/freemailtilbud/ Denne mail er sendt via Mail på TDC Online - Læs mere om TDC's mailtjeneste på http://mail.tdconline.dk/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
Same here. I bought a few different headsets and compared them to each other and to my MH2 Elecraft hand mic, both via on the air reports and by listening on another rig in the shack. Amazingly, the cheapest headset (URL below) of all of them worked best. Great audio reports (I often have people comment on the good audio while I'm running in a contest), very lightweight with not much pressure on the ears, and a nice long mic boom with a large foam windsock. I honestly can't imagine why anyone would pay more for a headset unless they preferred full-cup earphones or needed ambient noise cancellation. I've used this one for several months and it has held up just fine. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=B451-3010 73, Dave AB7E Svend Spanget wrote: K3. I use the absolutely cheapest PC-headset, I could find. Great reports... Svend, OZ7UV Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K1 U2 extraction help!
Gary wrote: I installed the RF board U2 backwards ... I'm trying to salvage the IC... I'm sure you've received enough input now to know that any attempt to salvage such is extremely ill-advised. It's possible to damage the RF board just removing two-lead components. The same thing applies to those resistor packs, though fortunately for the K1, all resistor packs used may be installed in any direction, regardless of directions in the manual. Next question, is there any reason not to use sockets in this location (or any other Elecraft kit for that matter)? Alan responded: In general, there are two reasons not to use sockets: 1. Increased cost. 2. Decreased reliability. There are better reasons, such as space availability, interference with other components around and above the IC, additional lead length and capacitive effects in RF circuits, and a few others I'm sure. What has been left UNaddressed is the use of sockets where not specified on *Elecraft* gear. It should be sufficient to say that Elecraft officially *strongly* discourages such, and voids warranty and other repair services when such enhancements have been performed by the builder. Contact Wayne for a more accurate statement. He has posted it to this list on several occasions over the past ten years as such improvements have been suggested. Mike / KK5F __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7494 The only con I have is that I need the earpieces completely to the end of the headband (in the large direction). Every time I take them off one earpiece slides up the headband. May be a time for a dab of RTV. Wes N7WS --- On Sun, 9/6/09, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset To: Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 1:13 PM Same here. I bought a few different headsets and compared them to each other and to my MH2 Elecraft hand mic, both via on the air reports and by listening on another rig in the shack. Amazingly, the cheapest headset (URL below) of all of them worked best. Great audio reports (I often have people comment on the good audio while I'm running in a contest), very lightweight with not much pressure on the ears, and a nice long mic boom with a large foam windsock. I honestly can't imagine why anyone would pay more for a headset unless they preferred full-cup earphones or needed ambient noise cancellation. I've used this one for several months and it has held up just fine. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=B451-3010 73, Dave AB7E Svend Spanget wrote: K3. I use the absolutely cheapest PC-headset, I could find. Great reports... Svend, OZ7UV Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] MCU LD
Hello - I am building a K3 kit and all was going well with the checkout and test when I decided to download the latest version of the firmware. The download failed and now the K3 displays MCU LD whenever it is turned on. The K3 utility programs no longer can talk the to the K3. My original PC was using a USB to serial cable and worked fine through all the calibration steps. I used another USB to serial adapter that was compatible with the K3 USB to serial software but it did not work either. I tried yet another PC that has a native serial port, but no luck with that as well. In verbose mode, the utility program says it is sending ; at various baud rates and I presume it is getting no response. I suppose it is possible that the serial port failed after working for about 10 minutes, but it seems unlikely. All the boards seem to be seated well and I doubt it is a connection problem At this point, the K3 seems to have corrupted firmware, but it can no longer talk to a PC in order to do a new download. Not sure what to try next. Any suggestions welcome 73, Tom W2SC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] MCU LD
Georgens, Tom wrote: At this point, the K3 seems to have corrupted firmware, but it can no longer talk to a PC in order to do a new download. Not sure what to try next. Don't panic! Disconnect the K3's APP power connector for a few minutes. Then connect your true serial cable (not USB) and try again. It will probably start loading again automatically when you open the K3 Utility. The K3 does a nice job of protecting itself from update problems. 73 GL! Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MCU-LD-tp3594245p3594324.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] MCU LD
Contact k3supp...@elecraft.com. Gary has some voltage checks on the KIO3 to run. Also try once turning everything off (K3 power supply, computer) and retry the load. Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Georgens, Tom tom.georg...@netapp.com wrote: Hello - I am building a K3 kit and all was going well with the checkout and test when I decided to download the latest version of the firmware. The download failed and now the K3 displays MCU LD whenever it is turned on. The K3 utility programs no longer can talk the to the K3. My original PC was using a USB to serial cable and worked fine through all the calibration steps. I used another USB to serial adapter that was compatible with the K3 USB to serial software but it did not work either. I tried yet another PC that has a native serial port, but no luck with that as well. In verbose mode, the utility program says it is sending ; at various baud rates and I presume it is getting no response. I suppose it is possible that the serial port failed after working for about 10 minutes, but it seems unlikely. All the boards seem to be seated well and I doubt it is a connection problem At this point, the K3 seems to have corrupted firmware, but it can no longer talk to a PC in order to do a new download. Not sure what to try next. Any suggestions welcome 73, Tom W2SC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 huge noise
Lyle hasn't got it yet!! Firmware 3.30 -- using NR (3-4) on SSB (14.178), first the volume control did not work then after a little while the K3 goes to full volume and only turning it off gets rid of the problem. THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM!!! Hearing loss could result. Please got on this ASAP. 73 de W6BK On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Eric Swartz -WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Lyle just figured this out and corrected a typo in the dsp code. We should have a new beta shortly - Hopefully before end of Monday. (This is why we release beta test versions. ;-) 73, Eric mark roz wrote: Almost lost my hearing. Loaded 3.27A. NR engaged. F1-1. VFO A CW on 40m. VFO B SSB 40m. AGC ON. Width 250Hz cw. 2.7 ssb. Now switched from CW to SSB portion of 40m by pushing A/B - horrible noise of very high amplitude on speaker or headphones. Turned down the volume to min. and in few few seconds it stopped. Than again the same thing happened 70% of the time. This only happens if NR is engaged on A and B VFO and while switching from A to B. Just did it again-now on the internal speaker. Wow!! it is loud. Will not use NR for now. Anybody else can duplicate this?? Beside that I like my new K3 a lot. This is my second K3. Mark wq7x __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] MCU LD
Also try forcing an MCU load (from page 45 of the owner's manual): Forcing a Firmware Download If you accidentally load an old or incompatible firmware version and find the K3 unresponsive, do the following: (1) unplug the K3 from the power supply and wait 5 seconds; (2) plug the power supply back in; (3) hold the K3's POWER switch in; after about 10 seconds, you'll see the TX LED flash (you'll also see MCU LD on the LCD); (4) load the correct firmware version. Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
How do you connect this Yamaha CM500? Can you use the red adapter from Heil thay you connect to your Kenwood radio MIC and will work? Or you need to rewire something? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM -Mensaje original- De: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Wes Stewart Enviado el: Domingo, 06 de Septiembre de 2009 04:30 p.m. Para: David Gilbert CC: 'Elecraft Reflector' Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7494 The only con I have is that I need the earpieces completely to the end of the headband (in the large direction). Every time I take them off one earpiece slides up the headband. May be a time for a dab of RTV. Wes N7WS --- On Sun, 9/6/09, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset To: Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 1:13 PM Same here. I bought a few different headsets and compared them to each other and to my MH2 Elecraft hand mic, both via on the air reports and by listening on another rig in the shack. Amazingly, the cheapest headset (URL below) of all of them worked best. Great audio reports (I often have people comment on the good audio while I'm running in a contest), very lightweight with not much pressure on the ears, and a nice long mic boom with a large foam windsock. I honestly can't imagine why anyone would pay more for a headset unless they preferred full-cup earphones or needed ambient noise cancellation. I've used this one for several months and it has held up just fine. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=B45 1-3010 73, Dave AB7E Svend Spanget wrote: K3. I use the absolutely cheapest PC-headset, I could find. Great reports... Svend, OZ7UV Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Hi current
Question: I am finding the following on my QRP K2 with KAT2, cal current set 3.7: 20 meters power setting 14.6, current displayed 2.84, CW 30 meters power setting 14.6, HI current displayed at CW TX, SWR 1.2:1, current 3.74 40 meters power setting 14.6, Hi current displayed at CW TX, SWR 1.2:1, current 3.72 Should I consider this as OK? Or do I have an alignment issue on 30 and 40 meters or some other issue I should look into? The ant. on 30 is a vert, on 40 and 20 a dipole cut for 40 and 20. I am in the process adding the upgrade to K2/100 and do not want to create smoke. Thank you for your consideration. Best regards Dick AD1G __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
Jorge: I just tried out my new Yamaha CM500 as well. The K3's back panel has 3.5mm connectors for headset and phones. The Yamaha CM500 has the appropriate connectors for the back panel. I did not need the Yamaha's little in-line bias battery device. Instead I changed the K3's MAIN:MIC SEL menu option to Rear Panel, high input, bias on, which appears as RP.H BIAS. See the K3 Owner's manual pages 20 and 28 a summary on page 52. It sounds great, and feels like it's going to be a very comfortable headset at a very good price. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:17 PM To: 'Wes Stewart'; 'David Gilbert' Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset How do you connect this Yamaha CM500? Can you use the red adapter from Heil thay you connect to your Kenwood radio MIC and will work? Or you need to rewire something? Thanks, Jorge CX6VM -Mensaje original- De: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Wes Stewart Enviado el: Domingo, 06 de Septiembre de 2009 04:30 p.m. Para: David Gilbert CC: 'Elecraft Reflector' Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7494 The only con I have is that I need the earpieces completely to the end of the headband (in the large direction). Every time I take them off one earpiece slides up the headband. May be a time for a dab of RTV. Wes N7WS --- On Sun, 9/6/09, David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote: From: David Gilbert xda...@cis-broadband.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset To: Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 1:13 PM Same here. I bought a few different headsets and compared them to each other and to my MH2 Elecraft hand mic, both via on the air reports and by listening on another rig in the shack. Amazingly, the cheapest headset (URL below) of all of them worked best. Great audio reports (I often have people comment on the good audio while I'm running in a contest), very lightweight with not much pressure on the ears, and a nice long mic boom with a large foam windsock. I honestly can't imagine why anyone would pay more for a headset unless they preferred full-cup earphones or needed ambient noise cancellation. I've used this one for several months and it has held up just fine. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=B45 1-3010 73, Dave AB7E Svend Spanget wrote: K3. I use the absolutely cheapest PC-headset, I could find. Great reports... Svend, OZ7UV Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for September 6th 7th, 2009
Good Evening, Twenty meters was weak while forty meters was noisy. This has become standard lately. But we had a good number of check ins. When I passed the net to Tom he must have turned on some power because I could not get my phones off my ears fast enough. I think my ear drums touched each other at one point! By the time he passed control back to me I had recovered but it was tough to follow the stations and Tom at the same time. I put one phone over my most deaf ear to mute him but left the gain where it was. Luckily my sinuses had closed due to the recent rain and cold weather or my ears would still be ringing. But the same sinuses gave me a slight headache all day long. Digging out weak signals with a headache is always challenging. I am glad this one was not too bad. Next I made and ate dinner but found myself wondering about my methods. How many of you put cayenne pepper on jalapenos? I have been working on a new recipe lately and once it is perfected I may not need a fire during the summer months :) Now if only I could get a bag of freshly roasted green chilis from Hatch, New Mexico. Green chilis and fresh tortillas were a good portion of my diet while attending UNM. When Pat was able to move down to Albuquerque she would leaven my diet with hot Thai food. We were constantly trying new types of peppers. By the time we left we both had cravings for habanero peppers. No wonder the jalapenos needed some hot pepper to give them a little kick! On to the lists = On 14050 kHz at 2300z: N0SS - Tom - MO - K3 - 008 W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457 W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657 * QNI #195 * WB5BKL - Nick - TX - K3 - 231 K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686 N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866 K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183 K2VCO - Vic - CA - K3 - 007 W6JD - Doug - CA - K3 - 23 K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642 W6SU/7 - John - CA - K3 - 1303 NK6A - Don - CA - K2 - 1217 AD6GI - Chuck - CA - K3 - 355 W7AQK - Dave - AZ - K3 - 96 On 7045.5 kHz at 0100z: W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657 N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994 K2VCO - Vic - CA - K3 - 007 K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183 * QNI #140 * K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686 N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866 ** QNI #200 ** W7AQK - Dave - AZ - K3 - 96 K9ZTV - Kent - MO - K3 - 21 NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820 W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139 QNI #5! W6UDX - Ron - CA - K2 - 6687 W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457 KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798 * QNI #180 * The forty meter net was fun, if noisy. Someone was getting a strong thunderstorm so whole characters were gone at some points. But, due to the rain currently falling along with high winds I was not able to take a walk after the net. I did walk out on the deck and smell the breeze. I had swept the deck after all of the sweeping of my roof this week though it was hard to tell today. I finally got that leak fixed which has been plaguing me since the tree fell on the house. Working on the roof took a lot of sweeping and then each time I was done the breeze would kick up and bring down my needles. The rain kicked me off before I got the last bit done but, luckily, the rain is to cease and fine roof working weather will return soon. Another couple days and I will get all of the repairs done. I figured after all the patching I would simply recover the entire roof. That took longer than I would have thought. But the patches required were extensive. I had to cut down to the rafters and build my way back up in over a dozen places. This was the reason for re-covering the entire roof. Just like the snail on the side of the well I move two steps forward and one and half backward. I am making progress though :) Until next week stay well, 73, Kevin. KD5ONS (Net Control Operator 5th Class) - __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] MCU LD
Hi Tom: After having built my K3 (s/n 2432) back in Jan, I agreed to build one for a good friend last month and ran into somewhat the same problems. The build went well, the unit received on the three bands from the XG2 at 1 microvolt and the K3 Utility would do the 5 and 50 watt TX Gain calibration as well as the filter set up in both the main Rx and the KRX3 sub receiver. The new K3 unit (s/n 3288) came with MCU Ver 3.14 and DSP Ver 2.16 installed and I decided to do an firmware upgrade to 3.19 / 2.17. The K3 Utility (Ver 1.2.8.10) is installed on a Dell D830 notebook and I'm using a native serial port directly to the K3 - this configuration has been used to do about 12 updates to my own K3 since I built it in Jan/09 all with no problems. When the K3 Utility was used to check the Firmware in the new K3, it confirmed the MCU, FPF and DSP1, but not DSP2. It acted as if the Aux DSP board for the KRX3 wasn't there. I tried to upload a full new Firmware vers set and it would load correctly the new MCU and FPF but would not load the new version of either DSP1 or DSP2. At the end of the load attempt the new MCU and FPF would remain but it would revert back to the original DSP1 Ver 2.16. I contacted K3Support and had prompt replies from both Dale and Gary and we tried various things. After checking and rechecking the connectors between the RF board and the Front Panel board, as well as the connectors between the DSP boards and the Front Panel board they asked me to measure the voltage at U1 pin 8 on the KIO3 board. It needs to be at least - 5 V DC. Mine was ok so then they sent me replacement Main and Aux DSP boards to try. Unfortunately the results were the same with the new Main DSP board. At this point Dale asked that I return the K3 to Aptos, which I did. It's there now and scheduled to be checked out Tues or Wed of this week. Good luck in getting yours fixed. I'll update you once I find out anything further with this one. 73, Doug VE3MV - Original Message - From: Georgens, Tom tom.georg...@netapp.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: [Elecraft] MCU LD Hello - I am building a K3 kit and all was going well with the checkout and test when I decided to download the latest version of the firmware. The download failed and now the K3 displays MCU LD whenever it is turned on. The K3 utility programs no longer can talk the to the K3. My original PC was using a USB to serial cable and worked fine through all the calibration steps. I used another USB to serial adapter that was compatible with the K3 USB to serial software but it did not work either. I tried yet another PC that has a native serial port, but no luck with that as well. In verbose mode, the utility program says it is sending ; at various baud rates and I presume it is getting no response. I suppose it is possible that the serial port failed after working for about 10 minutes, but it seems unlikely. All the boards seem to be seated well and I doubt it is a connection problem At this point, the K3 seems to have corrupted firmware, but it can no longer talk to a PC in order to do a new download. Not sure what to try next. Any suggestions welcome 73, Tom W2SC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] MCU 3.30 DSP 2.26
I was wondering about the reports of maximum volume audio reports on the latest firmware. For the Everybody Loves Raymond fans - Frank's famous line sums it up: Holy Crap During sending an exchange in the TN QSO Party - pure noise, loud and no signals. Lost the QSO, almost broke the boom mike getting the headset off, spilled beer on the keyboard (but I have a couple spares) and couldn't hear for a few minutes. Loaded my last beta. 73HankK8DD FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] MCU 3.30 DSP 2.26
My upgrade to the latest FW 3.30 and DSP 2.26 was smooth and easy as all the other Beta ones and it works perfect,no distorsion,audio is practically the same level in all the NR settings and in some of them the noise is totally wiped out sounding as FM,nothing wrong on mine here. AD4C K3 # 2192 The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- Albert Einstein --- On Mon, 9/7/09, .k8dd. k...@inbox.com wrote: From: .k8dd. k...@inbox.com Subject: [Elecraft] MCU 3.30 DSP 2.26 To: 'Elecraft_List' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 3:47 AM I was wondering about the reports of maximum volume audio reports on the latest firmware. For the Everybody Loves Raymond fans - Frank's famous line sums it up: Holy Crap During sending an exchange in the TN QSO Party - pure noise, loud and no signals. Lost the QSO, almost broke the boom mike getting the headset off, spilled beer on the keyboard (but I have a couple spares) and couldn't hear for a few minutes. Loaded my last beta. 73 Hank K8DD FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] MCU 3.30 DSP 2.26
At 09:47 PM 06/09/09, you wrote: spilled beer on the keyboard (but I have a couple spares) referring to beers I hope. k7up __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (9/6/2009)
Phil, NS7P, was away this week. A group on the net frequency finished up at 18:05Z, and we QSY'd to 14.316, after my initial call on 14.313. A special thanks goes to Bill, NZ0T, for calling back east to assist me. We closed the net at 18:37 with the following 18 check-ins + NCS. NZ0T Bill KS K3 1502 W8OV Dave TX K3 3139 K6UONorm CA K3 755 W5ION Doug TX K3 2659 W5ETJGary TX K3 3227 AD5SX PaulNM TS-480 W0NTA Dick CO K3 1208 WB6HPFAl CA K3 974 K7DTU/VO2 Fred Labrador IC-7000 VE3QF Tony ONT K3 137 AI4VZ George GA K3 2412 KK7PLyle WA K3 3036 W8YMO Harry OH K3 166 AE6IC Fred CA K3 2241 VE9DDKDanny Maritimes IC-751 K7SJ Roger WA K3 75 (low K3 SN today) AK5UFredrick TX K3 3246 (high K3 SN today) KD5ZLB Edwin LA K3 3147 K4SOMark VA K3 2861 (NCS) A question about carrier level on AM was answered by Lyle, KK7P. The K3 automatically adjusts to 25W of carrier when placed in AM. No further adjustment is required to the power level. Have a great week. 73, Mark www.k4so.com www.picasaweb.com/kfourso kfourso.googlepages.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft K1 NB Improvements
I remember seeing some improvements for the K1 NB a while back and was interested in trying to improve mine a bit as its not quite enough to kill the noise near the house here. My TS-450 gets it in a heartbeat as does my K3 but the K1 leaves a lot of it still there... Anyone remember where this was? ~BTH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List
One area where the K3 is also looking good is the transmitted noise level, ARRL members may wish to look at the on-line reviews and check the close in spectrum analyser plots of the K3 vs the rest when keying on CW. A near neighbour appears to be +/- 50 KHz wide on 80m with rubbish from his transmitter, now if he was 15 dB cleaner by running a K3 instead of his top of the range rig (it's not Icom by the way) some of us would be a bit happier. Maybe that's why multi-rig contest stations are migrating to the K3? 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 -- Hello Gentleman, I fully understand that Sherwood list is of high regard among many hams. Regrettably, I really do not experience what should be expected after studying Sherwood list. In particular, I am referring ic7800, ic7700, ic7600 Vs K3. All these 3 icom rigs are now in my stack and ready to do A/B comparison with K3 at any time. I do not see any day and night difference among them even in the recent IARU contest. Bearing in mind, Hong Kong is small and 1Kw big guns are everywhere (even within line of sight) under contest condition. On the other hand, there are distinct characterists between K3 and Icom rigs. Personal preference and operation easiness would play in these areas. I am pleased to see that Elecraft keeps on improving the firmware which should bring more operation easiness and smoother learning curve. I would expect further improvement in the Noise Reduction function of K3. If you feel this email offensive, please press your delete button. 73 Johnny VR2XMC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 6M Question
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:35:15 -0400, S Sacco nn4x.st...@gmail.com wrote: Elliot - I am running a K3 / 87A combination, and the 87A is off 99% of the time. Everything works fine. Is there a reason you would expect otherwise? I have the feeling I'm missing something here... [snip] Just don't try to use it on 6M. When it is Off or on STDBY it is bypassed. Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1 and other small kits. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] My first downgrade
Well I did it... Finally loaded 3.25 back into my K3... The ton of NR settings are kinda cool in the latest but man the low frequency response actually being there in 3.25 made all of the later versions just sound terrible. The 3.25 combined with the low pass filter just feels right. Can't wait till this response comes back into the fold so I can get back onto the bleeding edge... ~BTH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Re： [K3] K3 VS 7600 Sherwood Li st
John, Thank you for your informative e-mails. A dose of reality is no harm. I have K3 and Orion 2 radios and like them both though the K3 is winning my heart. The ongoing development process is fun. Keep enjoying your radios and hope to meet you on the bands. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Johnny Siu Sent: 06 September 2009 01:36 To: Mike Harris; Don Rasmussen; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Re： [K3] K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List Hello Gentleman, I fully understand that Sherwood list is of high regard among many hams. Regrettably, I really do not experience what should be expected after studying Sherwood list. In particular, I am referring ic7800, ic7700, ic7600 Vs K3. All these 3 icom rigs are now in my stack and ready to do A/B comparison with K3 at any time. I do not see any day and night difference among them even in the recent IARU contest. Bearing in mind, Hong Kong is small and 1Kw big guns are everywhere (even within line of sight) under contest condition. On the other hand, there are distinct characterists between K3 and Icom rigs. Personal preference and operation easiness would play in these areas. I am pleased to see that Elecraft keeps on improving the firmware which should bring more operation easiness and smoother learning curve. I would expect further improvement in the Noise Reduction function of K3. If you feel this email offensive, please press your delete button. 73 Johnny VR2XMC K3 + K2 s 寄件人﹕ Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail..fk 收件人 Don Rasmussen wb8...@yahoo.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2009 年 9月 6 日 星期日 上午 2:06:21 主題： Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List G'day Don, I tell anyone that will listen, the flexibility of a DSP radio means little without the rich full natural sound of a good analog radio. Elecraft has done this (IMO). They have made the hobby technically better without the artifactual warts. There are many who would disagree with this. Whatever happened to the pink noise response experiment or the LPF that was being tested a few months ago. I will agree that Elecraft have pushed the RF boundary but to date audio hasn't been their thing and here I'm not talking audiophile rubbish just good sound. Unfortunately that is the interface with the human operator. I find myself drawn more and more back to the K2 and if I was closer to the action I might even consider parting with the K3. However, gear that comes to out of the way locations tends to die there and one can always live in hope. Regards, Mike VP8NO Yahoo!香港提供網上安全攻略，教你如何防範黑客! 請前往 http://hk.promo.yahoo.com/security/ 了解更多! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 She rwood List
Johnny Siu wrote: Secondly, I mostly operate in SSB and always openly admit that I seldom operate CW. Having said that, I understand the joy of operating a SSB station just 3kHz away from a local 1kw big gun within line of sight. Again, I do not see a day and night difference among ic7800, ic7700, ic7600 and K3. This is the key to your perception of the K3 and the other rigs. If you're operating 3 kHz from any strong SSB station, the observed dynamic range (probably ~35 dB) is primarily limited by the cleanliness of his transmitted signal (TX IMD, phase noise, etc) no matter how good your receiver may be. In fact Sherwood's ranking (2 kHz IMD performance) only makes sense for CW, since it simulates performance of a CW receiver with strong stations spaced every 2 kHz. If you don't operate CW, then indeed there's probably little difference in any receivers since none of them can clean up transmitted SSB QRM. If you operate CW in crowded contests or large pileups, there's a vast performance difference (20-30 dB in dynamic range) in the rigs you have. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-VS-7600-Sherwood-List-tp3585971p3592023.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 She rwood List
This is the key to your perception of the K3 and the other rigs. If you're operating 3 kHz from any strong SSB station, the observed dynamic range (probably ~35 dB) is primarily limited by the cleanliness of his transmitted signal (TX IMD, phase noise, etc) no matter how good your receiver may be. In fact Sherwood's ranking (2 kHz IMD performance) only makes sense for CW, since it simulates performance of a CW receiver with strong stations spaced every 2 kHz. If you don't operate CW, then indeed there's probably little difference in any receivers since none of them can clean up transmitted SSB QRM. If you operate CW in crowded contests or large pileups, there's a vast performance difference (20-30 dB in dynamic range) in the rigs you have. 73, Bill Actually, the situation in CW is not much different. The side emissions of the best transmitters on the ham bands are only 90 dB below the signal. That's why the real world experiences aren't such as expected from the lab measurements figures. 73, Val LZ1VB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 Sh erwood List
Val-12 wrote: Actually, the situation in CW is not much different. The side emissions of the best transmitters on the ham bands are only 90 dB below the signal. That's why the real world experiences aren't such as expected from the lab measurements figures. True, but if one rig has 100 dB dynamic range (K3) and another has 80 dB (up conversion JA rigs), that's still 10 dB difference, which is very significant. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-VS-7600-Sherwood-List-tp3585971p3592171.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Re： [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7 600 Sherwood List
Thanks for your imput to this forum, Bill. The beauty of this mail reflector is that it gives everyone a fair chance to express their views. cheers for now, Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人﹕ Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu 收件人 elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2009 年 9月 6 日 星期日 下午 6:13:53 主題： Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List Johnny Siu wrote: Secondly, I mostly operate in SSB and always openly admit that I seldom operate CW. Having said that, I understand the joy of operating a SSB station just 3kHz away from a local 1kw big gun within line of sight. Again, I do not see a day and night difference among ic7800, ic7700, ic7600 and K3. This is the key to your perception of the K3 and the other rigs. If you're operating 3 kHz from any strong SSB station, the observed dynamic range (probably ~35 dB) is primarily limited by the cleanliness of his transmitted signal (TX IMD, phase noise, etc) no matter how good your receiver may be. In fact Sherwood's ranking (2 kHz IMD performance) only makes sense for CW, since it simulates performance of a CW receiver with strong stations spaced every 2 kHz. If you don't operate CW, then indeed there's probably little difference in any receivers since none of them can clean up transmitted SSB QRM. If you operate CW in crowded contests or large pileups, there's a vast performance difference (20-30 dB in dynamic range) in the rigs you have. 73, Bill -- Yahoo!香港提供網上安全攻略，教你如何防範黑客! 請前往 http://hk.promo.yahoo.com/security/ 了解更多! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 She rwood List
Bill and All, I think you hit the nail on the head Bill! Johnny seems to be very nicely equipped over there, and certainly should be proud of the choices he has there in his shack. However, if you aren't much interested in CW, a great deal of the refinement of the K3 can be pretty subtle. I suppose if I only operated SSB, I might be just as happy with a 7600, 7700 or 7800--maybe even happier in some respects. There are several operating conveniences the Icoms have which the K3 really doesn't effectively compete with. Even on CW this can be the case, unless you are really in a battle with QRM. Nonetheless, I'm still extremely impressed that I can pretty much stand toe to toe with the Icoms, save several thousands dollars, and still have a rig I can pick up with one hand--two fingers actually, if I grab the handle. Not everyone sees it that way though, and I understand their side of the comparison. It's just a matter of what your hot buttons are. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List Johnny Siu wrote: Secondly, I mostly operate in SSB and always openly admit that I seldom operate CW. Having said that, I understand the joy of operating a SSB station just 3kHz away from a local 1kw big gun within line of sight. Again, I do not see a day and night difference among ic7800, ic7700, ic7600 and K3. This is the key to your perception of the K3 and the other rigs. If you're operating 3 kHz from any strong SSB station, the observed dynamic range (probably ~35 dB) is primarily limited by the cleanliness of his transmitted signal (TX IMD, phase noise, etc) no matter how good your receiver may be. In fact Sherwood's ranking (2 kHz IMD performance) only makes sense for CW, since it simulates performance of a CW receiver with strong stations spaced every 2 kHz. If you don't operate CW, then indeed there's probably little difference in any receivers since none of them can clean up transmitted SSB QRM. If you operate CW in crowded contests or large pileups, there's a vast performance difference (20-30 dB in dynamic range) in the rigs you have. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-VS-7600-Sherwood-List-tp3585971p3592023.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Mic and Headset
I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I currently have a Heil Pro Set Quite Phone with the DX (HC-4) element. I find a) the audio level in the headset to be rather low and b) just got some mic audio comments from a local saying the audio didn't sound like me at all. So, what are others using or how do you have your rig set up? Thanks, Pete, W1RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 Sh erwood List
David Y. wrote: It's just a matter of what your hot buttons are. Absolutely Dave! My particular hot button for the low bands is True Diversity, which only the K3 and Flex 5000 can properly do. Ten-Tec's Orion was close but not phase-locked and the Sub RX so so inferior to the Main RX that it was rendered useless if any strong signals were nearby. It will be interesting to see if any of the next generation up-conversion rigs will add this capability. Until then, unless you like computers the Bill Gates user interface, the K3 is the only game in town. 73, Bill P.S. 160m is beginning to come to life. I worked several JAs today, continuing my streak of JA QSOs in June, July and August (equivalent to you working EU then). This was unheard of until we got these very low Solar Flux conditions, so there's a silver lining to the cloud of low sunspots. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-VS-7600-Sherwood-List-tp3585971p3592357.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 She rwood List
Very few of the 7600,7700 and 7800 owners will recognize that K3 costing way less is equal or superior on some cases than theirs,surely they feel embarrased to have spent so much in such those Icoms when then we with $3K or less are doing the same job they do,I have known in my county a couple of guys who after been using high price radios like the ones mentioned after been comparing them against my K3 has changed mind and sold theirs to buy this K3,you can't hide the truth,its there,K3 is a top performer no matter some one like or not,period. AD4C The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- Albert Einstein --- On Sun, 9/6/09, David Y. w7...@cox.net wrote: From: David Y. w7...@cox.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List To: Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 11:49 AM Bill and All, I think you hit the nail on the head Bill! Johnny seems to be very nicely equipped over there, and certainly should be proud of the choices he has there in his shack. However, if you aren't much interested in CW, a great deal of the refinement of the K3 can be pretty subtle. I suppose if I only operated SSB, I might be just as happy with a 7600, 7700 or 7800--maybe even happier in some respects. There are several operating conveniences the Icoms have which the K3 really doesn't effectively compete with. Even on CW this can be the case, unless you are really in a battle with QRM. Nonetheless, I'm still extremely impressed that I can pretty much stand toe to toe with the Icoms, save several thousands dollars, and still have a rig I can pick up with one hand--two fingers actually, if I grab the handle. Not everyone sees it that way though, and I understand their side of the comparison. It's just a matter of what your hot buttons are. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Re： Re： K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List Johnny Siu wrote: Secondly, I mostly operate in SSB and always openly admit that I seldom operate CW. Having said that, I understand the joy of operating a SSB station just 3kHz away from a local 1kw big gun within line of sight. Again, I do not see a day and night difference among ic7800, ic7700, ic7600 and K3. This is the key to your perception of the K3 and the other rigs. If you're operating 3 kHz from any strong SSB station, the observed dynamic range (probably ~35 dB) is primarily limited by the cleanliness of his transmitted signal (TX IMD, phase noise, etc) no matter how good your receiver may be. In fact Sherwood's ranking (2 kHz IMD performance) only makes sense for CW, since it simulates performance of a CW receiver with strong stations spaced every 2 kHz. If you don't operate CW, then indeed there's probably little difference in any receivers since none of them can clean up transmitted SSB QRM. If you operate CW in crowded contests or large pileups, there's a vast performance difference (20-30 dB in dynamic range) in the rigs you have. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-VS-7600-Sherwood-List-tp3585971p3592023.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List
I spent several hours comparing my K3 with an IC7700 a couple of weeks ago. I was hard pushed to hear any practical difference between the receivers in digging weak signals out of noisy band conditions, but what struck me most was that as soon as the Icom went on ssb tx (20m) the whole noise floor rose on the K3 dramatically (on the same band about 100kHz away). Onto transmit on the K3 with the IC7700 on rx, there was no sign of the K3 at all. I forget what transmit levels were being used but they were the same with both rigs. The K3 was on a G5RV and the IC7700 on an R8 with half a small garden's width between the antennas. I like the IC7700 a lot, it's VERY pretty and has really rich audio like the IC781 which it replaced at my friend's qth. However, it's also very big, heavy and expensive. Horses for courses 73 Stephen G4SJP On 06/09/2009 07:45, Dave G4AON elecr...@astromag.co.uk wrote: One area where the K3 is also looking good is the transmitted noise level, ARRL members may wish to look at the on-line reviews and check the close in spectrum analyser plots of the K3 vs the rest when keying on CW. A near neighbour appears to be +/- 50 KHz wide on 80m with rubbish from his transmitter, now if he was 15 dB cleaner by running a K3 instead of his top of the range rig (it's not Icom by the way) some of us would be a bit happier. Maybe that's why multi-rig contest stations are migrating to the K3? 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
The HC-4 element isn't supposed to sound like you; it's supposed to cut through QRM. Personally, I can't stand the harsh sound of it, but it does do what it's supposed to do. If you want a mic element that sounds like you, you should be using the HC-5. It is voice-tailored also, but much less extreme than the HC-4. I use a Pro Set with HC-5 and get excellent audio reports. Don't forget to set the config AF GAIN parameter to HI. This is important for the Pro Set. Bill W5WVO Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I currently have a Heil Pro Set Quite Phone with the DX (HC-4) element. I find a) the audio level in the headset to be rather low and b) just got some mic audio comments from a local saying the audio didn't sound like me at all. So, what are others using or how do you have your rig set up? Thanks, Pete, W1RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
I also use the Heil headset but the one I have is the original before there were dfiierent models except for the microphone and I use the HC4 element as it is my contest use mic. I have teh original Gold Line for day to day use and it has the full range and the HC5 elements in it and yes, it does have a different sound than the HC4 element. That is by design - the HC4 is designed for cutting through in contest use and the HC5 is somewhat wider in its response to be a bit closer to normal. The full range element is of course the one you want to use if your intent is to sound like normal and don't need the advantages of the HC4 and HC5 elements. 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: Peter Chamalian w...@arrl.net To: 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I currently have a Heil Pro Set Quite Phone with the DX (HC-4) element. I find a) the audio level in the headset to be rather low and b) just got some mic audio comments from a local saying the audio didn't sound like me at all. So, what are others using or how do you have your rig set up? Thanks, Pete, W1RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K2 Twins for sale NOW ON EBAY
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270452775076 W4HDM wrote: Elecraft K2 with KPA100 and KAT100 built into an EC2 in practically new condition Radio options K160RX 160m/2nd receive antenna KNB2 Noise Blanker KBT2 Internal battery kit KSB2 SSB Option KIO2 RS-232 Interface KAT2 20 watt internal tuner ETS2 3 tilt stands (x2) MC-42S Kenwood hand mic Latest updates and firmware All necessary cables for plug and play (no antenna) Hard case to pack it all in (silver) EC2 Blank project enclosure with: KPA100 100w option with KIO2 RS-232 Interface (you will need a power supply for the amp it does not run off the radio's internal battery) KAT100-2 100w Auto tuner with EC2 Panels Latest updates and firmware Manual Serial number 0473 purchased used January of 2009. I added the 160m option, battery option, all of the upgrades (MODS), and all firmware to bring it up to date. It came with the KPA 100 that you could swap with the internal 20w tuner top to make it a 100w rig or use the top with the 20w tuner to make it a QRP Rig. Rather than swapping, I purchased and built the 100w tuner (2/22/2009) in the matching case (EC2) and installed the Amp into the top of that. I also built another KIO2 RS-232 Interface for the amp for connection to the radio Now to go QRP all you have to do is unhook the 100w tuner via cables and your all set. $1500.00 Pictures on request Mycall at bellsouth.net or mycall at yahoo.com See demo video on You Tube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlPsOXXmjTs - W4HDM-DAMON-K2#473 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K2-Twins-for-sale-tp3586679p3592706.html Sent from the [K2] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 VS 7600 Sherwood List
Stephen Prior wrote: I spent several hours comparing my K3 with an IC7700 a couple of weeks ago. I was hard pushed to hear any practical difference between the receivers in digging weak signals out of noisy band conditions, but what struck me most was that as soon as the Icom went on ssb tx (20m) the whole noise floor rose on the K3 dramatically (on the same band about 100kHz away). Onto transmit on the K3 with the IC7700 on rx, there was no sign of the K3 at all. I forget what transmit levels were being used but they were the same with both rigs. This is not only an ICOM problem. When I have operated CW at local Field Days, I've found that it is problematic to operate on the same band as the SSB station. As soon as the SSB transmitter (various Yaesus and Kenwoods at 100w) goes into transmit, a loud WHOOSH is heard on the CW band. The operator doesn't have to speak, just closing the PTT is sufficient -- in fact there is no detectable speech sound, indicating that it is not related to the RF that is transmitted on purpose! Bandpass filters eliminated the problem on different bands, but of course could not do anything when we operated on the same band. The antennas were located and oriented to reduce coupling, but still it was a severe problem. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
Hi Pete: I'm using the PROSET sold by Elecraft. You can get more audio output from your headphones by plugging them into the rear speaker jack. Set CONFIG:SPKRS to 2 (for stereo). 73, Mike K2MK Peter Chamalian Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:07:34 -0700 I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I currently have a Heil Pro Set Quite Phone with the DX (HC-4) element. I find a) the audio level in the headset to be rather low and b) just got some mic audio comments from a local saying the audio didn't sound like me at all. So, what are others using or how do you have your rig set up? Thanks, Pete, W1RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset
Roger on AF Gain set to Hi. The HC-4 element worked OK with my MP Mark V although I always felt I didn't have enough audio punch. I agree that the HC-4 is the cut through the crud, work the guy and go away, mic element. I'm not a SSB rag chewer, but rather work DX, contests to a limited extent. My main focus is CW so given the choice of SSB or cw, I'll work 'em on cw. But, there are times when I need something and it's there on SSB so, go get 'em. Thanks! Pete, W1RM -Original Message- From: Bill W5WVO [mailto:w5...@cybermesa.net] Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:56 AM To: Peter Chamalian; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic and Headset The HC-4 element isn't supposed to sound like you; it's supposed to cut through QRM. Personally, I can't stand the harsh sound of it, but it does do what it's supposed to do. If you want a mic element that sounds like you, you should be using the HC-5. It is voice-tailored also, but much less extreme than the HC-4. I use a Pro Set with HC-5 and get excellent audio reports. Don't forget to set the config AF GAIN parameter to HI. This is important for the Pro Set. Bill W5WVO Peter Chamalian wrote: I'm curious as to what others are using for a mic and headset with the K3. I currently have a Heil Pro Set Quite Phone with the DX (HC-4) element. I find a) the audio level in the headset to be rather low and b) just got some mic audio comments from a local saying the audio didn't sound like me at all. So, what are others using or how do you have your rig set up? Thanks, Pete, W1RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
