Re: [Elecraft] Backward balun

2010-08-08 Thread Al Lorona
Thanks for all of the excellent advice.

To sum up, today I measured a 4:1 current balun backwards and Tom was pretty 
right on... the high frequency cutoff is so severely lowered that it is 
unusable 
for my application. I did not test a 4:1 voltage balun.

I think one approach to take is to use a unun to transform down to 12 ohms and 
then a conventional 1:1 balun following that to transform to a balanced feed. 
I'll try this and report back if it doesn't work.

I know that there were several who suggested Sevick's book-- and I hope I'm not 
commiting sacrilege by saying that I've gotten very little understanding of 
balun theory from that book. It's a great cookbook for constructing baluns (and 
ununs), but not so great to learn why one is doing what he's doing. But that's 
just me.

It is also very surprising that I found almost no reference to a 50-to-12.5 ohm 
balun on the web. You can certainly find one for purchase, but you can't find 
the instructions on how to wind one. You have to buy the book, I guess!

This is surprising to me because I can think of many applications where one 
needs to transform 50 ohms to a lower (balanced) impedance, including the one I 
am currently battling.

Thanks again to everybody.

Good weekend,

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Backward Baluns

2010-08-08 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:57:20 -0700 (PDT), Al Lorona wrote:

Can it be connected backwards

A MUCH better question is, EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? 

73, Jim K9YC




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[Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-08-08 Thread Dale Putnam
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Re: [Elecraft] Backward balun

2010-08-08 Thread Tom W8JI
 I think one approach to take is to use a unun to transform down to 12 ohms 
 and
 then a conventional 1:1 balun following that to transform to a balanced 
 feed.
 I'll try this and report back if it doesn't work.

You will have trouble. Lead lengths will kill SWR (as will lengths through 
connectors and connectors) because it is almost impossible to build 12.5 ohm 
line and connections without special cables (very thin dielectrics and thick 
center conductors).

Look at baluns for solid state amplifiers.

You can series connect two 25 ohm lines (each small 50 ohm cables) on the 50 
ohm end, and parallel them on the 12.5 ohm end. Use an RG Teflon cable about 
1/8th inch or so diameter.

Don't try the silly idea of a single core, build two isolated lines.

I've done this with solid state amps with bandwidths of 1-100 MHz.

 I know that there were several who suggested Sevick's book-- and I hope 
 I'm not
 commiting sacrilege by saying that I've gotten very little understanding 
 of
 balun theory from that book. It's a great cookbook for constructing baluns 
 (and
 ununs), but not so great to learn why one is doing what he's doing. But 
 that's
 just me.

You should look at other sources anyway. A few errors in books aren't 
uncommon, and that's why we should never trust a single source for learning 
how things work unless it has been extensively critically reviewed.

You might want to look at broadband matching applications for solid state 
amplifiers. Many of them go from several ohms balanced to 50 ohms 
unbalanced. Dig through Motorola application notes on transformers by Helge 
Granberg and look at Walt Maxwell's books for theory. Walt is much more in 
tune with how antenna systems work, and Granberg spent a lot of time working 
with transformers. DeMaw might have some stuff on baluns also in the form of 
matching solid state amps to 50 ohm filters if you can borrow a copy of 
Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur.

You'll have few core worries because balanced impedance is so low, and since 
you can use coax balun windings will be easy. I think your project will be 
easy if you watch lead or connection lengths on the 12.5 ohm end.

73 Tom 

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[Elecraft] K3 + SDR-IQ + CW Skimmer+ SpectraVue

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Christensen
Anyone know if it's possible to configure all four of the above to 
simultaneously run CW Skimmer and SpectraVue?  I have tired every possible 
iteration to port audio from SpectraVue to CW Skimmer with no luck.  I've 
also tried VAC and still no luck.

If there's anyone that's successfully tried this, please contact me off-line 
by private E-mail.  Tnx!

Paul, W9AC
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 + SDR-IQ + CW Skimmer+ SpectraVue

2010-08-08 Thread Sanger, Joseph
Why not publicly?  Would be helpful to others, I should think, if it is 
possible.

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 + SDR-IQ + CW Skimmer+ SpectraVue

Anyone know if it's possible to configure all four of the above to 
simultaneously run CW Skimmer and SpectraVue?  I have tired every possible 
iteration to port audio from SpectraVue to CW Skimmer with no luck.  I've 
also tried VAC and still no luck.

If there's anyone that's successfully tried this, please contact me off-line 
by private E-mail.  Tnx!

Paul, W9AC
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 internal keyer problem

2010-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mark,

That has to be either a firmware glitch (not likely), or the result of 
RF-in-the-shack causing it.  The internal keyer routines in the firmware 
have been in place for a long time, and this is the first report of that 
behavior that I have heard.  If it were a firmware problem, I would 
think others would experience the same thing.

Try operating into a dummy load and see if you can produce it.  If not, 
then suspect RF in the shack.  If that is the case, the cure is within 
your antenna system.  If the behavior is band dependent, then it is 
caused by RF being where it should not be.  Do you have effective 
current baluns on your antennas?

It is possible that the power level produced by the K1 would not cause 
any indication of a problem, but the higher power of the K2 might cause 
the RF problem to be noticed.

73,
Don W3FPR

ve7ymm wrote:
 I finally finished my k2 a couple of weeks ago, and it seems to be working
 fine.  I do have an infrequent, intermitant problem with the internal keyer
 sticking and producing a steady carrier when I'm holding the dah paddle on
 the bencher.  So far, I've noticed this on 20 and 40m.  I don't have this
 problem with my K1.  It occurs rarely, perhaps once in a half hour of
 sending.  I can't reproduce the problem at will.  Any suggestions?
 Thanks, Mark
   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/P3/Quadra

2010-08-08 Thread Tom Hammond
Hi Larry:

I have a question about hooking up the P3 to the K3 12vdc out.

I'm using a cable of your design and it's been really great.

I'm using that output for the 12vdc sense voltage to turn the Quadra 
on and off.

My P3 will be here Monday.

It seems to me the that cable they supply is made to connect to the 
12vdc out on the K3.

And it is.

Will there be a problem if I put a Y connector on the 12vdc out 
and fed both the P3 and the sensor 12vdc and the P3.

It Depends... I 'think' the Quadra PROBABLY only requires a 
'knowledge' that there's 12VDC on that port in order to turn itself 
on... e.g. it's not being 'powered' in an manner from the K3, just 
being 'told' that yes, I'm turned on, so virtually no CURRENT is 
being require from the K3 +12VDC output.  To confirm this, I'd 
insert a mA meter and check to see how much (if any) current is being 
supplied TO the Quadra.  If there's a significant amount of current, 
then a Y connector may not be appropriate.

The P3 Owner's Manual specifications state that the P3 requires 10 
to 15 VDC @0.5A which, if accurate, pretty well consumes the 'rated' 
0.5A output from the K3's +12VDC @ .5A output.

HOWEVER... if the Quadra only requires a 'knowledge' that there's 
+12VDC at the port, and really doesn't require much current (if any), 
then yes, I'd think that you could probably get by with a Y cable 
to control the Quadra and to POWER the P3 as well.

If it turns out that the Quadra AND the P3 (together) do REQUIRE more 
current than the K3 +12VDC port can (or should be asked to) supply, 
then I'd probably suggest that you consider using the L3's +12VDC 
port to drive a small relay (or possibly a  MOSFET) which would 
switch on/off the output from a small external 12VDC power supply 
which could supply maybe 1A or so output.  Shouldn't me much 
difficulty to do this if it comes to that point.

Hope this helps.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS



Or should I make a longer cable and feed the P3 separately?

Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
de mailto:k...@k2gn.comK2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - soon




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[Elecraft] LEARNING CW

2010-08-08 Thread n6fb

As a long time high speed CW op, let me pass on an few of what I feel are the 
keys to learning to receive effortlessly at QRQ levels.  The goal is to get to 
the point where listening to CW is exactly like listening to a conversation; 
that is, there is no conscious translation from dits and dahs into letters, 
words, and ultimately, phrases.



The first thing do to do is throw away your pencil.  Learn early to copy in you 
heard, even if it initially lowers your copying speed.  As you work through 
this stage, you will be amazed how quickly you begin to hear words instead of 
letters.  This approach will get you to at least 15 WPM if you stick with it.


For higher speeds, you must train your brain always hear words and phrases.  I 
found that the best way to do this, is to scan, and later, read some printed 
material while youare copying CW.  Again, this may require you to cut back your 
copying speed as the process sinks in.  What this does is to permit you to 
parallel process two things-one of which is hearing the CW and unconsciously  
turning it  into words at the same time you are doing something else.  When you 
reach this stage, you have the tools to take your CW copying to any level of 
speed you wish.  Once you are over the 20 WPM barrier, speeds of up to 45 or 
can be achieved by anyone.


You say you can't parallel process?? Sure you can--you do it every time you 
are, for example, reading the paper and the XYL is talking to you ( and you are 
answering her ) at the same time!!


Bill
N6FB
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Re: [Elecraft] Backward balun

2010-08-08 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Al, your comments about Jerry's book makes me wonder even more about what you 
are trying to do with a backward 4:1 balun.  With a BS in Physics and 30 years 
as an EE I found the book anything but a cook book.  To begin to understand 
what 
I thought previously to be a simple device I had to drag up every bit of 
transformer theory I ever knew and found the book to be at the PHD level with 
basics assumed to be common knowledge.  I had to read the chapters several 
times 
to feel that I understood what Jerry was telling me.  


In trying to guess what you are trying to match with a 50 to 12.5 ohm balun the 
only good guess is some sort of shortened dipole.  This will not respond well 
to 
a broadband approach because it will have a low impedence at resonance and high 
impedance everywhere else.  The approaches that I can see working for this type 
of antenna are LC networks rather than broad band transmission line 
transformers.  You can probably make it work with a non-inductive resistance by 
experimenting with different mixes of cores until you find the range of 
interest.  If you are trying to match a shortened whip you will need a unun 
which is similar, but wired differently than a balun.
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ 





From: Al Lorona alor...@sbcglobal.net
To: Elecraft_List Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 1:02:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Backward balun

Thanks for all of the excellent advice.

To sum up, today I measured a 4:1 current balun backwards and Tom was pretty 
right on... the high frequency cutoff is so severely lowered that it is 
unusable 

for my application. I did not test a 4:1 voltage balun.

I think one approach to take is to use a unun to transform down to 12 ohms and 
then a conventional 1:1 balun following that to transform to a balanced feed. 
I'll try this and report back if it doesn't work.

I know that there were several who suggested Sevick's book-- and I hope I'm not 
commiting sacrilege by saying that I've gotten very little understanding of 
balun theory from that book. It's a great cookbook for constructing baluns (and 
ununs), but not so great to learn why one is doing what he's doing. But that's 
just me.

It is also very surprising that I found almost no reference to a 50-to-12.5 ohm 
balun on the web. You can certainly find one for purchase, but you can't find 
the instructions on how to wind one. You have to buy the book, I guess!

This is surprising to me because I can think of many applications where one 
needs to transform 50 ohms to a lower (balanced) impedance, including the one I 
am currently battling.

Thanks again to everybody.

Good weekend,

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject) SPAM ALERT!!!

2010-08-08 Thread WILLIS COOKE

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K5EWJ 





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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread gary bartlett
Hi, Ted:

Yes, the LP-Bridge requires one to keep the P3 turned off until the
end.

LP-Bridge is not required, of course, but I had left mine in play
because I originally was running the P3 and the LP-PAN in parallel and
hadn't gotten around to reassigning COM ports to my logging programs when I
disconnected LP-PAN.   I was still using that configuration when I tripped
over what you report.  

I suppose the good news is that if anyone has LP-Bridge installed
for what ever reason, the P3 doesn't mind so long as you do what one always
has to do:  set up the virtual ports first.

73,
Gary, VE1RGB

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Subject: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

I tried to connect LP_Bridge passing through the P3 to the K3
... Has anyone else run into this?

73, Ted, W2ZK
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[Elecraft] K3 # 4518 is QRV

2010-08-08 Thread KD0Q-Glenn
Hello Elecrafters,

K3 #4518 arrived via UPS last Tuesday afternoon and made the first contact last 
night.  The inventory and build took me about 11 hours over the course of 4 
days with lots of stopping and starting. All the checks and calibrations went 
smoothly.  

The excellent documentation and quality parts made for an enjoyable project.

Good Job! to the Subassembly Packers Ryan, Susan, Alex and Leony, and to 
everyone else at Elecraft that had a part in putting this kit together and 
processing my order.


73, Glenn/KD0Q
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Richard Ferch
Mike,

I have not found this to be critical at all, once the audio and VOX levels
are set. First, using manual keying adjust the level out from the sound
card and the LINE input level on the K3 to just get the required 4-5 bars
of ALC. Then increase the K3's MAIN:VOX GN setting until the output from
the sound card triggers the VOX reliably.

If you also use voice modes with VOX, your VOX GN setting might be
different between voice and data modes. If this is a problem, my
suggestion would be to try changing the gain distribution in the first
step, by increasing the sound card output level and decreasing the K3's
LINE input level. This should allow you to use a lower VOX GN setting.
Just make sure that the sound card level is not set so high that the audio
amplifier inside the sound card is overdriven.

73,
Rich VE3KI


NF4L wrote:

  How critical is the match between the K3  and MMTTY for it to
 transmit using VOX. If I key the rig manually, or use DTR it's OK.
 A different program (but using MMTTY) works just fine.


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Brian Alsop
And turn off all WINDOWS alterts, sounds when operating AFSK!

73 DE Brian/K3KO

Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,
 
 I have not found this to be critical at all, once the audio and VOX levels
 are set. First, using manual keying adjust the level out from the sound
 card and the LINE input level on the K3 to just get the required 4-5 bars
 of ALC. Then increase the K3's MAIN:VOX GN setting until the output from
 the sound card triggers the VOX reliably.
 
 If you also use voice modes with VOX, your VOX GN setting might be
 different between voice and data modes. If this is a problem, my
 suggestion would be to try changing the gain distribution in the first
 step, by increasing the sound card output level and decreasing the K3's
 LINE input level. This should allow you to use a lower VOX GN setting.
 Just make sure that the sound card level is not set so high that the audio
 amplifier inside the sound card is overdriven.
 
 73,
 Rich VE3KI
 
 
 NF4L wrote:
 
  How critical is the match between the K3  and MMTTY for it to
 transmit using VOX. If I key the rig manually, or use DTR it's OK.
 A different program (but using MMTTY) works just fine.
 
 
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[Elecraft] learning CW...off topic elecraft reflector...

2010-08-08 Thread John Ragle
Bill...

 Good advice. You may be amused to hear MY version of reading some 
printed material while listening for phrases. I spent 15 months in 
west Germany (before the re-unification) as a guest of their gov't, 
and took along my Kenwood TS-520 and a fold-up vertical. All of my 
operation was done with the vertical clamped to the apartment balcony 
and IN CW. With this set-up most of the stations I worked were German or 
German-speaking, and learning to morse in German, both sending and 
receiving, did absolute wonders for my speed.

 I have always been a CW type (until recently, when PSK got my 
attention), and had at that time a 35 wpm certificate from the ARRL, but 
by the time I got back to the states, I could copy upwards of 65-70 wpm 
in my head. I sent with a keyboard and a buffer, as i am a fast typist, 
but it was the copying /in the head and not on paper with a pencil/ that 
did all this for me. I figure if one uses a stick and the signal corps 
letter system that 35 wpm is about the upper limit for hard copy. I 
never tried to copy with a mill, but I type easily 100 wpm -- the best 
high school course I ever took! -- so there was no problem keeping the 
buffer full. It was the listening/copying that transformed my ability to 
converse in CW.

 The brain's ability to do this sort of thing is quite amazing...I 
always felt like it was a tape unrolling inside my head...and your 
comment about 45 wpm is certainly true. Due to a long lay-off, my CW 
speed has slackened a bit, but I still have the experience of words and 
phrases popping into my head rather than letter by laborious letter.

 I thought that the FCC's deletion of the CW requirement was a 
seriously retrograde step for ham radio. CW is certainly one of the 
premium weak-signal modes available to the non-computerized part of the 
world.  I never learned to copy RTTY in my head, and the same applies to 
BPSK31. I am not sure if /anyone/ can copy e.g. Olivia 16/500 by ear, 
even though it sounds nice. Maybe Mozart?

73

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Ted Roycraft
Thanks Gary,

I have an LP-PAN and will continue to use it even though I have the P3.  
It is still needed if you want to run CWSkimmer.  Even if I weren't 
going to use LP-PAN I would still want to keep LP-Bridge running because 
it allows multiple programs to control the K3 - one of those things I've 
gotten used to and now can't live without.  Maybe it is a nit on my 
part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps 
connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking 
anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is 
on.  I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of 
things.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 8/8/2010 9:22 AM, gary bartlett wrote:
 Hi, Ted:

   Yes, the LP-Bridge requires one to keep the P3 turned off until the
 end.

   LP-Bridge is not required, of course, but I had left mine in play
 because I originally was running the P3 and the LP-PAN in parallel and
 hadn't gotten around to reassigning COM ports to my logging programs when I
 disconnected LP-PAN.   I was still using that configuration when I tripped
 over what you report.

   I suppose the good news is that if anyone has LP-Bridge installed
 for what ever reason, the P3 doesn't mind so long as you do what one always
 has to do:  set up the virtual ports first.

   73,
   Gary, VE1RGB

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
 Sent: August 7, 2010 6:31 PM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

 I tried to connect LP_Bridge passing through the P3 to the K3
 ... Has anyone else run into this?

 73, Ted, W2ZK
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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Lyle Johnson

 ... Maybe it is a nit on my
 part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps
 connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking
 anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is
 on.  I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of
 things.

Absolutely!

We need this kind of feedback to help us improve the product.  The P3 is 
in its earliest rollout and we know there are bugs not yet found, and 
there will be feature requests we hadn't thought of.

Please keep the feedback coming -- and look for updates!

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Mike
  Thanks Rich.

Turning up the vox gain did it, and I was able to turn down the computer sound 
card a 
bit to get the ALC reading correct. I didn't want to mess with the MIC gain, 
because 
it's touchy for me to set it for phone. I'd like to turn VOX off for phone 
only, but 
that's not possible yet.

The volume on my sound card is set using the Main and Wave sliders. No line 
out 
control, so anytime I adjust the volume, I'm hosing my RTTY settings. I'm going 
to 
look at an additional sound card, or maybe go to FSK.

What really threw me was that using one program it worked fine and one didn't, 
both 
programs use MMTTY, plus I've had the mark tone mismatch bite me before. I 
don't see 
a level control in MMTTY itself that would account for one working and one not.

But as they say All's well that ends.

Thanks for the solution!

73, Mike

On 8/8/2010 10:45 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,

 I have not found this to be critical at all, once the audio and VOX levels
 are set. First, using manual keying adjust the level out from the sound
 card and the LINE input level on the K3 to just get the required 4-5 bars
 of ALC. Then increase the K3's MAIN:VOX GN setting until the output from
 the sound card triggers the VOX reliably.

 If you also use voice modes with VOX, your VOX GN setting might be
 different between voice and data modes. If this is a problem, my
 suggestion would be to try changing the gain distribution in the first
 step, by increasing the sound card output level and decreasing the K3's
 LINE input level. This should allow you to use a lower VOX GN setting.
 Just make sure that the sound card level is not set so high that the audio
 amplifier inside the sound card is overdriven.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI


 NF4L wrote:

   How critical is the match between the K3  and MMTTY for it to
 transmit using VOX. If I key the rig manually, or use DTR it's OK.
 A different program (but using MMTTY) works just fine.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Mike
  Ohhh yeah, Been bit by that too.

73, Mike

On 8/8/2010 10:53 AM, Brian Alsop wrote:
 And turn off all WINDOWS alterts, sounds when operating AFSK!

 73 DE Brian/K3KO

 Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,

 I have not found this to be critical at all, once the audio and VOX levels
 are set. First, using manual keying adjust the level out from the sound
 card and the LINE input level on the K3 to just get the required 4-5 bars
 of ALC. Then increase the K3's MAIN:VOX GN setting until the output from
 the sound card triggers the VOX reliably.

 If you also use voice modes with VOX, your VOX GN setting might be
 different between voice and data modes. If this is a problem, my
 suggestion would be to try changing the gain distribution in the first
 step, by increasing the sound card output level and decreasing the K3's
 LINE input level. This should allow you to use a lower VOX GN setting.
 Just make sure that the sound card level is not set so high that the audio
 amplifier inside the sound card is overdriven.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI


 NF4L wrote:

   How critical is the match between the K3  and MMTTY for it to
 transmit using VOX. If I key the rig manually, or use DTR it's OK.
 A different program (but using MMTTY) works just fine.

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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 ... Maybe it is a nit on my
 part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps
 connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking
 anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is
 on.  I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of
 things.

I would not be so quick to blame the P3.  P3 works just fine with
microHAM Router and other port sharing software.  It may be that
LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond
to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3.

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

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[Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Nicholas Farrar
Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would look
nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in two models. First a
QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model. Anderson Powerpoles
on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back of the powersupply.
I would like to see an option for a battery charge controller and terminals
for an external battery.

Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for Hams
with an opinion.

--
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Richard Ferch
Mike,

On the K3, MIC level and LINE level settings are independent; you can
adjust the LINE level in data modes without affecting the MIC level for
voice and vice versa.

Regarding changing levels in different software, you might take a look at
QuickMix (http://www.ptpart.co.uk/quickmix/) - this software allows you
to save and restore mixer settings separately for each application.

Brian's comment on Windows sounds is my main reason for using a second
sound card. For digital modes, pretty much any sound card will do; I use
an old SB16 card that I keep moving from one computer to the next. I leave
the Windows sounds, music players, etc. on the motherboard sound device
and use the SB16 for my digital-mode software.

73,
Rich VE3KI


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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Phil Hystad
Would it be cheaper and better then my Astron power supplies?  My Astron's do 
not sit next to my K3 or any of my other equipment.  Therefore, whether they 
match the look of a K3 (or not) is not important.

But, if a kit version were produced and if it was cost comparable to other 
non-kit power supplies I might be tempted and only because the idea of putting 
together a kit, and thus knowing my power supply a bit better, would be a plus.

However, the quality of engineering and design of Elecraft is the most 
important part of buying one of these kits (to me) so if you are thinking of 
producing a kit power supply, I would not be as enthusiastic as I would with 
one from Elecraft.  I don't mean to imply any scourge on your skills and 
capabilities but rather that Eric and Wayne have established quite a good 
reputation already and that is hard to beat or hard to even come close without 
the advantage of time in doing the same thing.

Then again, the hardest part of putting a linear power supply together from 
scratch (scratch means properly chosen components) is creating a solid and 
nice looking cabinet.  So, maybe the idea of a kit boils down to the choice of 
cabinet box hardware after all.

That is my opinion and I will stick to it for a few more seconds.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Aug 8, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Nicholas Farrar wrote:

 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in two models. First a
 QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model. Anderson Powerpoles
 on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back of the powersupply.
 I would like to see an option for a battery charge controller and terminals
 for an external battery.
 
 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for Hams
 with an opinion.
 
 --
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 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
 
 Brown Folse PACS
 nfar...@bfpacs.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Richard Hill
Yes, that would be interesting, especially if the options included solar 
charge controller and generator options--a green Elecraft power supply 
system useful for various DXpedition, emergency and home uses.

Rich
NU6T

On 8/8/2010 9:24 AM, Nicholas Farrar wrote:
 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in two models. First a
 QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model. Anderson Powerpoles
 on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back of the powersupply.
 I would like to see an option for a battery charge controller and terminals
 for an external battery.

 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for Hams
 with an opinion.

 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator

 Brown Folse PACS
 nfar...@bfpacs.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
I have heard a rumour of a commonly available power supply that was
installed in the back of a P3.  Can anyone conform or deny this?
And, if confirmed, publish photos?

I suspect it wouldn't be hard to put a QRP-level PS/charge controller
in the KPA3 space, either.

73, doug

   Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:24:15 -0500
   From: Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com

   Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would look
   nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in two models. First a
   QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model. Anderson Powerpoles
   on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back of the powersupply.
   I would like to see an option for a battery charge controller and terminals
   for an external battery.

   Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for Hams
   with an opinion.

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 internal keyer problem

2010-08-08 Thread g3ymc

I have seen this on occasion with my K2. Occasionally I get a very long DAH
when I key as if I have mis-keyed. Tap the DIT paddle and all is well again.
I only run 5W so I don't think it is RF, I suspect a bug in the firmware.
But so infrequent not to worry about.

73 Dave G3YMC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Mike
  Rich,

Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

Quickmix looks good, thanks for the link.

This afternoon I'm may run down to the candy store and look at sound cards, 
probably 
a USB one. When you add another sound device, how do the Windows mixer controls 
work? 
I'd guess it works for the default device. How is the second one adjusted?

Mike

On 8/8/2010 12:26 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,

 On the K3, MIC level and LINE level settings are independent; you can
 adjust the LINE level in data modes without affecting the MIC level for
 voice and vice versa.

 Regarding changing levels in different software, you might take a look at
 QuickMix (http://www.ptpart.co.uk/quickmix/) - this software allows you
 to save and restore mixer settings separately for each application.

 Brian's comment on Windows sounds is my main reason for using a second
 sound card. For digital modes, pretty much any sound card will do; I use
 an old SB16 card that I keep moving from one computer to the next. I leave
 the Windows sounds, music players, etc. on the motherboard sound device
 and use the SB16 for my digital-mode software.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 internal keyer problem

2010-08-08 Thread Peter Wollan
This sounds like the K2's auto-detect feature, which allows connecting
both paddles and a straight key or computer, along with a couple of
diodes, at the same time and sending from either.  If the paddles are
squeezed at exactly the same time, it looks like the straight key to
the circuit.  If I remember right, it can be avoided by choosing
normal rather than auto in the input menu.

Peter W0LLN


On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM, g3ymc d...@davesergeant.com wrote:

 I have seen this on occasion with my K2. Occasionally I get a very long DAH
 when I key as if I have mis-keyed. Tap the DIT paddle and all is well again.
 I only run 5W so I don't think it is RF, I suspect a bug in the firmware.
 But so infrequent not to worry about.

 73 Dave G3YMC
 K2 #2498


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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Ted Roycraft
Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be 
translucent?  :-)

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


 ... Maybe it is a nit on my
 part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to apps
 connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking
 anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is
 on.  I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of
 things.

 I would not be so quick to blame the P3.  P3 works just fine with
 microHAM Router and other port sharing software.  It may be that
 LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond
 to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

The issues in putting a linear supply in the P3 case are both the
size of a transformer capable of handling 25A continuous/30A peak
(or the cost of a special toroidal transformer) and the necessary
heat sink area for the pass transistors.

Switching supplies also have issues with heat sink area or fans to
move air over a smaller heat sink.

A switching supply with a small continuous power rating and a large
capacitor would not be appealing just because it came in a case that
looked like the K3/P3/KPA500.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2010 12:48 PM, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote:
 I have heard a rumour of a commonly available power supply that was
 installed in the back of a P3.  Can anyone conform or deny this?
 And, if confirmed, publish photos?

 I suspect it wouldn't be hard to put a QRP-level PS/charge controller
 in the KPA3 space, either.

 73, doug

 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:24:15 -0500
 From: Nicholas Farrarnfar...@bfpacs.com

 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in two models. First 
 a
 QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model. Anderson Powerpoles
 on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back of the 
 powersupply.
 I would like to see an option for a battery charge controller and 
 terminals
 for an external battery.

 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for Hams
 with an opinion.

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 internal keyer problem

2010-08-08 Thread Dave Sergeant
On 8 Aug 2010 at 12:09, Peter Wollan wrote:

 This sounds like the K2's auto-detect feature, which allows connecting
 both paddles and a straight key or computer, along with a couple of
 diodes, at the same time and sending from either.  If the paddles are
 squeezed at exactly the same time, it looks like the straight key to the
 circuit.  If I remember right, it can be avoided by choosing normal
 rather than auto in the input menu.
 

I think you might be right Peter. I don't think I had ever looked at 
that setting, and the way it works it is hard to see what it is set to. 
ie if you press DISPLAY while at the INP menu setting it toggles it 
rather than just displays it. I THINK I have it OFF now, so will see 
what happens.

Thank 73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Ellington
No Fan please Figure out a way to cool it with heat sinks but please no 
more fans.

Steve
N4LQ
- Original Message - 
From: Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com
To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supply


 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in two models. First 
 a
 QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model. Anderson Powerpoles
 on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back of the 
 powersupply.
 I would like to see an option for a battery charge controller and 
 terminals
 for an external battery.

 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for Hams
 with an opinion.

 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator

 Brown Folse PACS
 nfar...@bfpacs.com
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

Yes, but the mic knob is an encoder ... changes mic level in SSB
and Line level in Data A/AFSK A if you are using Line In.  The
mic /line levels are maintained separately.

  When you add another sound device, how do the Windows mixer
  controls work?

Depends on the version of Windows but one can generally change
the device being controlled - using the menu bar in 2000/XP
and directly selecting the endpoint in Vista/Win 7.

For inexpensive basic USB sound cards look at:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829128004
Line IN/Line Out for $17  or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829180006
Line In/Mic In/Line Out for $30.00

Similar products are available from other vendors.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2010 1:03 PM, Mike wrote:
Rich,

 Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

 Quickmix looks good, thanks for the link.

 This afternoon I'm may run down to the candy store and look at sound cards, 
 probably
 a USB one. When you add another sound device, how do the Windows mixer 
 controls work?
 I'd guess it works for the default device. How is the second one adjusted?

 Mike

 On 8/8/2010 12:26 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,

 On the K3, MIC level and LINE level settings are independent; you can
 adjust the LINE level in data modes without affecting the MIC level for
 voice and vice versa.

 Regarding changing levels in different software, you might take a look at
 QuickMix (http://www.ptpart.co.uk/quickmix/) - this software allows you
 to save and restore mixer settings separately for each application.

 Brian's comment on Windows sounds is my main reason for using a second
 sound card. For digital modes, pretty much any sound card will do; I use
 an old SB16 card that I keep moving from one computer to the next. I leave
 the Windows sounds, music players, etc. on the motherboard sound device
 and use the SB16 for my digital-mode software.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Richard Ferch
Mike,

Both level controls use the MIC/SPEED knob. You can see the current
setting by tapping the knob twice (once for CW speed, once for the level
setting). Right now mine reads MIC 21 when I tap it with the radio in a
voice mode, and LINE 8 when I tap it with the radio in data mode.
Adjusting either one has no effect on the other.

Re the Windows mixer, I can only talk about the mixer in Windows XP and
earlier. Vista and Windows 7 are different, and I am not familiar with
them. I am not at a computer with multiple sound cards to verify this, but
I would expect that if you use MMTTY to call up the mixer (from the
Option(O)  Sound card output level(V) menu item), it should invoke the
mixer for the sound device MMTTY is using. On the other hand, if you call
up the mixer from the Windows Start menu it will start up the output mixer
for the default sound card.

Either way, you should see the name of the sound card in the status bar at
the bottom of the mixer panel. If this is not the sound card you want to
adjust, you can use the mixer's Options  Properties menu item; the
control at the top of the dialog box is a pull-down list of sound devices
to choose from. Below that you can select either the playback (transmit)
mixer or the recording (receive) mixer.

BTW, MMTTY version 1.66G has a Sound card tab in the MMTTY Setup window
that makes selecting sound cards much easier than using the numerical
device identifier under the Misc tab.

73,
Rich VE3KI


NF4L wrote:

 Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

 Quickmix looks good, thanks for the link.

 This afternoon I'm may run down to the candy store and look at
 sound cards, probably a USB one. When you add another sound device,
 how do the Windows mixer controls work? I'd guess it works for the
 default device. How is the second one adjusted?



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[Elecraft] My K3 doesn't wear Prada...

2010-08-08 Thread John Ragle
On 8/8/2010 12:24 PM, Nicholas Farrar wrote:
 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in two models. First a
 QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model. Anderson Powerpoles
 on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back of the powersupply.
 I would like to see an option for a battery charge controller and terminals
 for an external battery.

 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for Hams
 with an opinion.

=

Well, I certainly have opinions of all sorts. Here is mine WRT matching 
power supplies: a bit on the silly side. I replaced my brutish linear 
with sleek switchers half the size of my K3 with no discernible ill 
effects. I have two 7 x 7.5 x 2 13.8 VDC x 25 amp units from Radio 
Shack and one only slightly larger from Pyramid. They are fan-cooled but 
very quiet, and only the Pyramid has the leads coming out the front. 
Since the only control in evidence is an on/off switch, these little 
guys can live their lives in the background, leaving operating space for 
other items such as a log  a set of paddles, or even a lap-top.

Over and over again we hear bad vibes about switchers, but my power 
supplies and my computer live within 2' of my K3 and my ICOM 910H with 
no deleterious effects in either direction. They contribute nothing WRT 
noise or birdies.Once again, it is physician, heal thyself for those 
who have problems with them.

The really neat thing is that the switchers are portable. They're not 
much good without an AC outlet, (e.g. mobile in the underbrush) but they 
are a very easy carry when the mains are available, and form the nucleus 
of a nice hotel-room portable: K3 + small switcher + trailing antenna 
(apologies to old-time pilots out there).

My K3 with its parasitic SignaLink USB is happy as a non-Gulf oyster on 
its Pyramid switcher.

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Utility for Mac ?

2010-08-08 Thread David Wilburn
A big thanks to all the developers of Mac ham radio software and 
utilities.  I am in the midst of a move (physical) that was proceeded by 
a move (PC - Mac).  The hold up had been the availability of Mac Ham 
software.  There are still some holes here (Weather related, like GR 
Level 3) but as I bring my station back up after the move, it will be on 
a Mac.  I look forward to using this software.

Dave Wilburn
NM4M

On 8/6/10 23:56 , Phil Hystad wrote:
 OK, thanks.  No problemo.  I think I can still pound on the keyboard of my 
 Windows machine.

 On Aug 6, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:


 My colleague David Fleming, W4SMT, has indicated that it is close. His P3 
 has probably just arrived. He has done the coding but needs to test with a 
 real P3.

 He is also porting the K3 Freq Memory Editor.

 I'd guess these are probably days or a week away but not months, barring 
 unforeseen difficulties.

 Dick, K6KR

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 6, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Phil Hystadphys...@mac.com  wrote:

  
 I see that the P3 Utility for Mac OS X is not yet available.  Will this be 
 available soon?  I do have a Windows 7 laptop that I can dig out of the 
 corner and dust off but I prefer to maintain stuff on my Mac where my 
 backup and other files (K3) are kept.  By soon, I don't mean by tomorrow, 
 which is a Saturday.  That would be silly.  I was thinking maybe by Monday. 
  OK, just kidding.

 Now, where is my Sony VAIO laptop...

 73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Planisky
Couldn't agree more!

I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio  
equipment that has fans.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Ellington wrote:

 No Fan please Figure out a way to cool it with heat sinks but  
 please no
 more fans.

 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com
 To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supply


 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would  
 look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3!

 ...

 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for  
 Hams
 with an opinion.

 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator

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[Elecraft] Huntsville, AL hamfest 21,22 Aug

2010-08-08 Thread Mike Short
Anyone going? Bringing your Elecraft products? I might be able to attend,
and have a banner, some literature, etc.

 

 

 

Mike

AI4NS

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread k2qi . nyc
Don't know about anyone else, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the performance 
of my 25A MFJ switching PS. It's small, light, cheap, and noise (electrical) 
free. The only caveat is its loud cooling fan.  

James K2QI
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org
Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:46:43 
To: Steve Ellingtonn...@carolina.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

Couldn't agree more!

I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio  
equipment that has fans.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Ellington wrote:

 No Fan please Figure out a way to cool it with heat sinks but  
 please no
 more fans.

 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com
 To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supply


 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would  
 look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3!

 ...

 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for  
 Hams
 with an opinion.

 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Ellington
I believe those little fans are cheaper than a large aluminum heat sink. Did 
you ever count how many fans are running in the average shack? With 2 PCs 
and my rig, I count 9. I use the Astron linear supply to avoid yet another 
one.

Steve
N4LQ
- Original Message - 
From: k2qi@gmail.com
To: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org; elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net; 
Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply


 Don't know about anyone else, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the 
 performance of my 25A MFJ switching PS. It's small, light, cheap, and 
 noise (electrical) free. The only caveat is its loud cooling fan.

 James K2QI
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org
 Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:46:43
 To: Steve Ellingtonn...@carolina.rr.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

 Couldn't agree more!

 I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio
 equipment that has fans.

 73
 --
 Joe KB8AP


 On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Ellington wrote:

 No Fan please Figure out a way to cool it with heat sinks but
 please no
 more fans.

 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com
 To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supply


 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would
 look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3!

 ...

 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for
 Hams
 with an opinion.

 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator

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[Elecraft] K3 memory editor printing

2010-08-08 Thread Lee Trout
I find that selecting and then copying my memory list in the editor and 
then pasting it into Excel, lets me massage it quite nicely (colors, 
fonts, etc.) for printing.  It sure is a great way to manage memories.  
Thanks Elecraft.  73, Lee (K9CM)
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Willis
All the fans in my station are overwhelmed by my air
conditioner and heat pump.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2010, at 14:07, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:

 I believe those little fans are cheaper than a large aluminum heat sink. Did 
 you ever count how many fans are running in the average shack? With 2 PCs 
 and my rig, I count 9. I use the Astron linear supply to avoid yet another 
 one.
 
 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message - 
 From: k2qi@gmail.com
 To: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org; elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net; 
 Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply
 
 
 Don't know about anyone else, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the 
 performance of my 25A MFJ switching PS. It's small, light, cheap, and 
 noise (electrical) free. The only caveat is its loud cooling fan.
 
 James K2QI
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org
 Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:46:43
 To: Steve Ellingtonn...@carolina.rr.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply
 
 Couldn't agree more!
 
 I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio
 equipment that has fans.
 
 73
 --
 Joe KB8AP
 
 
 On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Ellington wrote:
 
 No Fan please Figure out a way to cool it with heat sinks but
 please no
 more fans.
 
 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com
 To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supply
 
 
 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would
 look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3!
 
 ...
 
 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for
 Hams
 with an opinion.
 
 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Eugene Balinski
Nicholas,

   That would be a fine addition. Start with 25A
continuous, 30A ICAS, add a *good* front facing speaker, 2-
4 pair of Anderson power pole connectors in the rear, 1
binding post just because, an ammeter and a voltmeter,
adjustable over-voltage protection with indicator, and you
are there.   Remote-sense would be the frosting on the
cake...

73,

Gene K1NR

On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:24:15 -0500
 Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com wrote:
 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power
 supply? It would look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in
 two models. First a
 QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model.
 Anderson Powerpoles
 on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back
 of the powersupply.
 I would like to see an option for a battery charge
 controller and terminals
 for an external battery.
 
 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts?
 Looking for Hams
 with an opinion.
 
 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
 
 Brown Folse PACS
 nfar...@bfpacs.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread István Szabó
  On 8/8/2010 8:55 PM, k2qi@gmail.com wrote:
 Don't know about anyone else, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the 
 performance of my 25A MFJ switching PS. It's small, light, cheap, and noise 
 (electrical) free. The only caveat is its loud cooling fan.

 James K2QI
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Planiskyjp...@jeffnet.org
 Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:46:43
 To: Steve Ellingtonn...@carolina.rr.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

 Couldn't agree more!

 I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio
 equipment that has fans.

 73
 --
 Joe KB8AP


 On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Ellington wrote:

 No Fan please Figure out a way to cool it with heat sinks but
 please no
 more fans.

 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicholas Farrarnfar...@bfpacs.com
 To: elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supply


 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would
 look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3!
 ...
 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for
 Hams
 with an opinion.

 --
 Nicholas W. Farrar
 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
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Jim,

I am also completely satisfied with MFJ power supply, this is the one 
which is silent electrically, but do not like the noise of the fan. I 
removed the top cover and it is silent. MFJ may think about making a new 
cover or placing the fan 5-10 mm from the cover. This would help.

73  István ha4zd

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Eugene Balinski
How about auto fail-over to a battery backup, with recharge
upon restoration of commercial power ?

73
K1NR  
K2 6k

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 09:41:41 -0700
 Richard Hill reh...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 Yes, that would be interesting, especially if the options
 included solar 
 charge controller and generator options--a green Elecraft
 power supply 
 system useful for various DXpedition, emergency and home
 uses.
 
 Rich
 NU6T
 
 On 8/8/2010 9:24 AM, Nicholas Farrar wrote:
  Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power
 supply? It would look
  nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in
 two models. First a
  QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model.
 Anderson Powerpoles
  on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back
 of the powersupply.
  I would like to see an option for a battery charge
 controller and terminals
  for an external battery.
 
  Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts?
 Looking for Hams
  with an opinion.
 
  --
  Nicholas W. Farrar
  Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
 
  Brown Folse PACS
  nfar...@bfpacs.com
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Mel Farrer
OK, IMHO,  I don't think a non ham device needs to be on the operating 
position.  I use a linear ASTRON with remote sensing of the voltage at the 
radio and a 5 Farad cap under the shelf and then the problem is solved.  Good 
clean DC and no noise in the shack.

Mel. K6KBE

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Willis wrco...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Willis wrco...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply
To: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Cc: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net, 
Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 12:46 PM

All the fans in my station are overwhelmed by my air
conditioner and heat pump.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2010, at 14:07, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:

 I believe those little fans are cheaper than a large aluminum heat sink. Did 
 you ever count how many fans are running in the average shack? With 2 PCs 
 and my rig, I count 9. I use the Astron linear supply to avoid yet another 
 one.
 
 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message - 
 From: k2qi@gmail.com
 To: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org; elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net; 
 Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply
 
 
 Don't know about anyone else, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the 
 performance of my 25A MFJ switching PS. It's small, light, cheap, and 
 noise (electrical) free. The only caveat is its loud cooling fan.
 
 James K2QI
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Planisky jp...@jeffnet.org
 Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:46:43
 To: Steve Ellingtonn...@carolina.rr.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply
 
 Couldn't agree more!
 
 I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio
 equipment that has fans.
 
 73
 --
 Joe KB8AP
 
 
 On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Ellington wrote:
 
 No Fan please Figure out a way to cool it with heat sinks but
 please no
 more fans.
 
 Steve
 N4LQ
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com
 To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Supply
 
 
 Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power supply? It would
 look
 nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3!
 
 ...
 
 Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts? Looking for
 Hams
 with an opinion.
 
 --
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 Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Nicholas Farrar
Now thats what I was thinking. It would be a little expensive but I would
pay a little more for an Elecraft quality design not to mention the
powerpoles. I would want a linear power but I thought that was implied. I
don't mind if it has a fan that is a quiet as the pair on my K3 and only
comes on when the load increases. I currently use a RV battery charge
controller that does this. Its designed to charge batteries and run the DC
devises when on shore power. I go from the charge controller to a Deep cycle
gel cell to a rig runner. I have the 60amp model and I have never heard the
fans kick on.

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Brown Folse PACS
nfar...@bfpacs.com

Office  318-595-0451
Mobile 318-381-9863
Fax 866-248-6128
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Eugene Balinski euge...@nni.com wrote:

 Nicholas,

   That would be a fine addition. Start with 25A
 continuous, 30A ICAS, add a *good* front facing speaker, 2-
 4 pair of Anderson power pole connectors in the rear, 1
 binding post just because, an ammeter and a voltmeter,
 adjustable over-voltage protection with indicator, and you
 are there.   Remote-sense would be the frosting on the
 cake...

 73,

 Gene K1NR

 On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:24:15 -0500
  Nicholas Farrar nfar...@bfpacs.com wrote:
  Would anyone be interested in an Elecraft DC power
  supply? It would look
  nice to have a powersupply that matches my K3! Maybe in
  two models. First a
  QRP model super clean DC, the other a 25-30 amp model.
  Anderson Powerpoles
  on the BACK so you dont have wires bent around the back
  of the powersupply.
  I would like to see an option for a battery charge
  controller and terminals
  for an external battery.
 
  Would any one be interested either model? Any thoughts?
  Looking for Hams
  with an opinion.
 
  --
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  Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
 
  Brown Folse PACS
  nfar...@bfpacs.com
 
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[Elecraft] KXV3A Mod Question

2010-08-08 Thread DBellW6AQ
Do I need to install the KXV3 RXA board or is that mod already in the  
KXV3A?
 
Thanks in advance, Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I presently have an Astron that does nicely. Like Phil, I don't care if it
doesn't match the K3 because it's on the floor under the operating desk.
It's linear and I have learned (the hard way at times) that other
electronics can be adversely affected by the big magnetic field around the
supply power transformer so I'd not put it next to the rig even I had the
space. 

However, I would like to have an uninterruptable supply that will run the K3
at full power for a number of hours or at reduced power for even longer for
emergency communications.  

I have been looking over options for sealed storage batteries that I can put
in the shack coupled with a charger. Such systems can provide truly big
currents when needed without voltage droop or being overloaded and do so
continuously as long as there is mains power.

While it's straightforward to locate components and assemble my own, I
haven't stumbled upon any off-the-shelf packages for sale above the 8 or 10
Ah level. 

A nice option for such a system would be a solar charger for those with
plentiful sunshine to either replace or back up the mains power charger.  

I steadfastly resist any sort of switcher power supply - just too many
variables trying to keep all that RF hash buttoned up inside their cabinets
for me :-) 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
At the moment there's only about a 4x4x6 space available inside the P3
(unless you want to build something with a very odd form factor to fit
around the pc boards). 

And that's at the moment. IMX, Wayne has a habit of eventually occupying
every cubic millimeter of space inside a cabinet with useful options. 

Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Faunt N6TQS
+1-510-655-8604
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:49 AM
To: Nicholas Farrar
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

I have heard a rumour of a commonly available power supply that was
installed in the back of a P3.  Can anyone conform or deny this?
And, if confirmed, publish photos?

I suspect it wouldn't be hard to put a QRP-level PS/charge controller
in the KPA3 space, either.

73, doug

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Re: [Elecraft] KXV3A Mod Question

2010-08-08 Thread Bill W4ZV


DBellW6AQ wrote:
 
 Do I need to install the KXV3 RXA board or is that mod already in the  
 KXV3A?
 

No, it's in there already!

73,  Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 memory editor printing

2010-08-08 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Thanks, Lee. Print is on my to do list but I wasn't planning to get very fancy. 
A spread sheet allows you to play with column sizing, fonts, colors, and remove 
columns that aren't of interest. 

Dick, K6KR

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On Aug 8, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Lee Trout trou...@gmail.com wrote:

 I find that selecting and then copying my memory list in the editor and 
 then pasting it into Excel, lets me massage it quite nicely (colors, 
 fonts, etc.) for printing.  It sure is a great way to manage memories.  
 Thanks Elecraft.  73, Lee (K9CM)
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Mike
  Thanks Joe.

This will mostly be on XP, with occasional excursions on Win7. What does 
directly 
selecting the endpoint mean? I'm real new to Win7.

I saw some 99 cent units on the estore. Maybe a bit TOO cheap. ;-)

73, Mike NF4L

On 8/8/2010 1:36 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

 Yes, but the mic knob is an encoder ... changes mic level in SSB
 and Line level in Data A/AFSK A if you are using Line In.  The
 mic /line levels are maintained separately.

 When you add another sound device, how do the Windows mixer
 controls work?

 Depends on the version of Windows but one can generally change
 the device being controlled - using the menu bar in 2000/XP
 and directly selecting the endpoint in Vista/Win 7.

 For inexpensive basic USB sound cards look at:

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829128004
 Line IN/Line Out for $17  or

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829180006
 Line In/Mic In/Line Out for $30.00

 Similar products are available from other vendors.

 73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


 On 8/8/2010 1:03 PM, Mike wrote:
 Rich,

 Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

 Quickmix looks good, thanks for the link.

 This afternoon I'm may run down to the candy store and look at sound cards, 
 probably
 a USB one. When you add another sound device, how do the Windows mixer 
 controls work?
 I'd guess it works for the default device. How is the second one adjusted?

 Mike

 On 8/8/2010 12:26 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,

 On the K3, MIC level and LINE level settings are independent; you can
 adjust the LINE level in data modes without affecting the MIC level for
 voice and vice versa.

 Regarding changing levels in different software, you might take a look at
 QuickMix (http://www.ptpart.co.uk/quickmix/) - this software allows you
 to save and restore mixer settings separately for each application.

 Brian's comment on Windows sounds is my main reason for using a second
 sound card. For digital modes, pretty much any sound card will do; I use
 an old SB16 card that I keep moving from one computer to the next. I leave
 the Windows sounds, music players, etc. on the motherboard sound device
 and use the SB16 for my digital-mode software.

 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Mike
  Rich,
A very good explanation.  I got 1.66G a couple of days ago.

It's SO nice when a problem is solved.

73 Mike

On 8/8/2010 2:04 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,

 Both level controls use the MIC/SPEED knob. You can see the current
 setting by tapping the knob twice (once for CW speed, once for the level
 setting). Right now mine reads MIC 21 when I tap it with the radio in a
 voice mode, and LINE 8 when I tap it with the radio in data mode.
 Adjusting either one has no effect on the other.

 Re the Windows mixer, I can only talk about the mixer in Windows XP and
 earlier. Vista and Windows 7 are different, and I am not familiar with
 them. I am not at a computer with multiple sound cards to verify this, but
 I would expect that if you use MMTTY to call up the mixer (from the
 Option(O)  Sound card output level(V) menu item), it should invoke the
 mixer for the sound device MMTTY is using. On the other hand, if you call
 up the mixer from the Windows Start menu it will start up the output mixer
 for the default sound card.

 Either way, you should see the name of the sound card in the status bar at
 the bottom of the mixer panel. If this is not the sound card you want to
 adjust, you can use the mixer's Options  Properties menu item; the
 control at the top of the dialog box is a pull-down list of sound devices
 to choose from. Below that you can select either the playback (transmit)
 mixer or the recording (receive) mixer.

 BTW, MMTTY version 1.66G has a Sound card tab in the MMTTY Setup window
 that makes selecting sound cards much easier than using the numerical
 device identifier under the Misc tab.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI


 NF4L wrote:

 Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

 Quickmix looks good, thanks for the link.

 This afternoon I'm may run down to the candy store and look at
 sound cards, probably a USB one. When you add another sound device,
 how do the Windows mixer controls work? I'd guess it works for the
 default device. How is the second one adjusted?



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Re: [Elecraft] cw recieving

2010-08-08 Thread W2XB

Hello Group,
Har! getting old is not for sissies!! I was coping cw with my new (first
ever) hearing aids. When they are out, rx is normal. With the aids in, its
picking up the high pitch. Sorry about the wasted bandwith.

Thanks

Don...w2xb
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[Elecraft] PS with speaker

2010-08-08 Thread Ken Kopp

Astron makes power supplies for the  two-way 
radio market that have speakers.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
   elecraftcov...@rfwave.net

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Re: [Elecraft] cw recieving

2010-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Don,

Have your audiologist give you a program setting with no noise 
reduction.  You can use it for CW as well as listening to music.
Mine default to that program and stay there until I encounter a 
situation where the NR helps - noisy places or if there is a lot of 
background noise.

If these are new aids, bive yourself 4 to 6 weeks to acclimate the the 
new sounds.  The brain will filter out the extraneous stuff eventually, 
but at first you become aware of all those sounds that you could not 
hear before.

73,
Don W3FPR

W2XB wrote:
 Hello Group,
 Har! getting old is not for sissies!! I was coping cw with my new (first
 ever) hearing aids. When they are out, rx is normal. With the aids in, its
 picking up the high pitch. Sorry about the wasted bandwith.

 Thanks

 Don...w2xb
   
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Re: [Elecraft] cw recieving

2010-08-08 Thread W2XB

Thanks Don,
will wait serveral weeks and then go in for a tune up..
boy its nice to hear again...

Don...w2xb
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (8-8-10)

2010-08-08 Thread Phil and Christina
East coast stations were not very strong today, and we had no California
check-ins. Lyle using his prototype KPA500 was S9+10 into the side of my
quad - not bad for less than 300 miles! The net only ran 20 minutes with 26
participants. No discussion. Here is the list of the participants.

Station NameQTH Rig S/N

KK7PLyleWA  K3  3036
N1LQDaveMA  K3  371
KD0QGlenn   IA  K3  4518
VE3NFK  Jon ON  K3  709
K9VUJ   DaleMN  K3  2268
KA0NCR  Arnie   NE  K3  185
KJ7LE   Steve   MN  TS450
W0RSR   MikeCO  K2  5767
W4RKS   Jim AL  K3  3618
KZ1XSteve   NC  K3  1209
W1EQBob CT  K3  4199
W7NMD   Palmer  AR  K3  3779
W9EJB   Ed  IN  K3  1593
KD6QM   Jim AZ  K3  4231
K7SJRoger   WA  K3  75
KC0TDJ  Ron IA  K2  4857
K5OAI   Sam TX  K3  4123
AC0NM   Glenn   CO  K3  2843
K8DJC   Nelson  OH  K3  560
KE4IMN  Jim FL  K3  3307
KB3FBR  Joe PA  K2  6178
N1JMJohnAZ  K3  2555
K8EILoydUT  K3  4379
KL2GW   Charles AK  FT857
AB9VMikeIN  K3  398
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826

73,

Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net announcement

2010-08-08 Thread Phil and Christina
This is a strange long delayed echo.  I sent it yesterday morning!

73,

Phil
NS7P


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Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net announcement


The weekly Elecraft SSB net will meet tomorrow (8/8/10) at 1800z on 14.314
MHz. I will be net control from western Oregon, and I will try to swing the
antenna in multiple directions to get as many of you as I can. See you then.

73,
Phil NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] cw recieving

2010-08-08 Thread Fred Jensen
W2XB wrote:
 Hello Group,
 Har! getting old is not for sissies!! I was coping cw with my new (first
 ever) hearing aids. When they are out, rx is normal. With the aids in, its
 picking up the high pitch. Sorry about the wasted bandwith.

I'd normally reply direct but there has been a sporadic K3 and hearing 
aids thread on the reflector so it's not wasted bandwidth.

Getting used to hearing aids takes time, especially these days because 
most are wonders of DSP microelectronics and do some amazing things. 
Mine have 5 programs for different conditions, and they switch 
automatically -- that's good.  Both ears don't always switch at the same 
time, which isn't quite so good.  You could probably buy a couple of 
fairly well appointed K3's for what mine cost.  They'll even notch a 
fire truck siren down to an acceptable level.

Hearing aids won't make things sound like they did when you were a kid 
and could hear well [except when Mom was calling you], their goal is to 
make things more intelligible for you.  For nearly all males, hearing 
loss starts at the higher frequencies and proceeds downward as you 
encounter birthdays.  Your audiogram is thus very likely a curve that 
slopes downward as frequency increases, and the aids attempt to invert 
that curve and what you describe is a direct result of that.  You'll get 
used to at least most of it, you're just not used to hearing those 
higher frequencies like you did when you were a kid at first.  However, 
there is good news if you have a K3 ... very good news.

Take the aids out when you operate.  If you're comfortable with 
headphones, use them, it works much better and with a boom mic too, you 
have two free hands.  Then find a rag chew going on [75 at night has a 
number of them, the content repeats and is usually medical, just pick 
the disease you want to listen to], go to MAIN:RX EQ 1 in the main menu, 
and start adjusting the equalizer.  There are 8 bands which you select 
by pressing the number keys and the VFO A knob will vary the level of 
that band 16 dB up or down from zero [32 dB total range].  You're going 
for most intelligible sound, not necessarily most natural, since you 
no longer know what natural sounds like.  It will take some playing 
around, and you have to give yourself some time to adapt to the varying 
conditions on the radio.  But, if you stick with it you will be surprised.

Wayne, Eric, and the E-crowd did us deaf-ies a big favor with the RX EQ 
feature.  I have no clue how to adjust the TX EQ, and I get very good 
audio reports with it just flat.  But you can really improve things with 
the RX EQ.  Just be patient and adjust things in small steps and then 
wait and see how it plays for you under different conditions.

If they weren't busy doing radio things, I'd ask for some equalizer 
memories ... when I found a configuration that seemed to work in power 
line QRN, I could save it and recall it instantly.

E-Crowd:  I'm just illustrating, not asking :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2010 Cal QSO Party 2-3 Oct 2010
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (8-8-10)

2010-08-08 Thread Dick Roth, KA1OZ
Couldn't hear anything but S7 noise in eastern Mass.

Phil and Christina wrote:
 East coast stations were not very strong today, and we had no California
 check-ins. Lyle using his prototype KPA500 was S9+10 into the side of my
 quad - not bad for less than 300 miles! The net only ran 20 minutes with 26
 participants. No discussion. Here is the list of the participants.

 Station   NameQTH Rig S/N

 KK7P  LyleWA  K3  3036
 N1LQ  DaveMA  K3  371
 KD0Q  Glenn   IA  K3  4518
 VE3NFKJon ON  K3  709
 K9VUJ DaleMN  K3  2268
 KA0NCRArnie   NE  K3  185
 KJ7LE Steve   MN  TS450
 W0RSR MikeCO  K2  5767
 W4RKS Jim AL  K3  3618
 KZ1X  Steve   NC  K3  1209
 W1EQ  Bob CT  K3  4199
 W7NMD Palmer  AR  K3  3779
 W9EJB Ed  IN  K3  1593
 KD6QM Jim AZ  K3  4231
 K7SJ  Roger   WA  K3  75
 KC0TDJRon IA  K2  4857
 K5OAI Sam TX  K3  4123
 AC0NM Glenn   CO  K3  2843
 K8DJC Nelson  OH  K3  560
 KE4IMNJim FL  K3  3307
 KB3FBRJoe PA  K2  6178
 N1JM  JohnAZ  K3  2555
 K8EI  LoydUT  K3  4379
 KL2GW Charles AK  FT857
 AB9V  MikeIN  K3  398
 NS7P  PhilOR  K3  1826

 73,

 Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] MMTTY

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  This will mostly be on XP, with occasional excursions on Win7.
  What does directly selecting the endpoint mean? I'm real new
  to Win7.

When you open the Volume Mixer in Windows 7, the device box
has a drop down box (down arrow to the right of Speakers etc.)
that allows you to select the output to be controlled.  With
Vista, there is one entry in the Menu bar that says device.
In either case you select the endpoint (output) to be controlled.

In Vista/Windows 7 terminology an endpoint is the output or input
device (or jack) on a soundcard.  For example, speakers, headpone,
HDMI, SPDIF, etc.  A single soundcard may have only one active
input endpoint (mic, line, SPDIF, CD, etc.) and one output endpoint
(speakers, headphone, SPDIF, HDMI, etc.) at a particular time.  If
one application opens the Line Input on a soundcard other applications
may not open the Mic Input on that soundcard until the original
application releases the line input.  Note - if an input or output
endpoint is defined as the Windows system or communications default
(there are four defaults, system input, system output, communications
input and communications output) they are locked and applications
may not change (use) other endpoints on those soundcard(s).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2010 5:44 PM, Mike wrote:
Thanks Joe.

 This will mostly be on XP, with occasional excursions on Win7. What does 
 directly
 selecting the endpoint mean? I'm real new to Win7.

 I saw some 99 cent units on the estore. Maybe a bit TOO cheap. ;-)

 73, Mike NF4L

 On 8/8/2010 1:36 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
   Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

 Yes, but the mic knob is an encoder ... changes mic level in SSB
 and Line level in Data A/AFSK A if you are using Line In.  The
 mic /line levels are maintained separately.

   When you add another sound device, how do the Windows mixer
   controls work?

 Depends on the version of Windows but one can generally change
 the device being controlled - using the menu bar in 2000/XP
 and directly selecting the endpoint in Vista/Win 7.

 For inexpensive basic USB sound cards look at:

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829128004
 Line IN/Line Out for $17  or

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829180006
 Line In/Mic In/Line Out for $30.00

 Similar products are available from other vendors.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


 On 8/8/2010 1:03 PM, Mike wrote:
  Rich,

 Both use the MIC knob tho, right?

 Quickmix looks good, thanks for the link.

 This afternoon I'm may run down to the candy store and look at sound cards, 
 probably
 a USB one. When you add another sound device, how do the Windows mixer 
 controls work?
 I'd guess it works for the default device. How is the second one adjusted?

 Mike

 On 8/8/2010 12:26 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
 Mike,

 On the K3, MIC level and LINE level settings are independent; you can
 adjust the LINE level in data modes without affecting the MIC level for
 voice and vice versa.

 Regarding changing levels in different software, you might take a look at
 QuickMix (http://www.ptpart.co.uk/quickmix/) - this software allows you
 to save and restore mixer settings separately for each application.

 Brian's comment on Windows sounds is my main reason for using a second
 sound card. For digital modes, pretty much any sound card will do; I use
 an old SB16 card that I keep moving from one computer to the next. I leave
 the Windows sounds, music players, etc. on the motherboard sound device
 and use the SB16 for my digital-mode software.

 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] cw recieving

2010-08-08 Thread W2XB

Thanks Fred.


Don...w2xb
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[Elecraft] K2 SSB ALC Problem

2010-08-08 Thread Sanjin Tajic, E71DX

Hi All,

I have a K2 which I bought used. I never really used it on SSB but from time
to time would like to.

The problem is when I transmit (Mic is the Elecraft MH2) I get very hard ALC
action which jumps to full ALC scale reading.

I tried to inject (via the Mic in a quiet room) a constant modulation and
even with this constant source I get a very erratic ALC action.

I get this ALC action with all Mic-gain and Mic-comp settings - more or less
ALC respectively.

In all cases the actual Power-out is as it should be and I have no problems
with the power control neither in CW or SSB.

This was present from the first day I got it but till now did not really
bother me much.

Options installed are: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2, K60XV, KBT2.


Thanks in advance for all tips!

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Phil Kane
On 8/8/2010 11:46 AM, Joe Planisky wrote:

 I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio
 equipment that has fans.

  There are fans and there are FANS!

  I just replaced my main computer which sounded like a vacuum
  cleaner when it was running with a brand-new (expensive) Dell
  Professional with four - count 'em - four fans and I can't
  hear them at all. Hard to tell that the machine is turned on.
  Ditto for the HP laptop that I use with my K2 for digital
  stuff.

  The only real fan noise is the auxiliary fan that I mounted
  on top of the K2 that's controlled by the PTT circuit so it's
  not going continuously.  Now that one is loud..

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  Nevertheless, it's not transparent.

Depends on one's definition of transparent.  It appears to work with
every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge.
To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive
sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
 Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be
 translucent? :-)

 73, Ted, W2ZK

 On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 ... Maybe it is a nit on my
 part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to
 apps
 connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking
 anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is
 on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these kinds of
 things.
 I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with
 microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that
 LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond
 to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

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Re: [Elecraft] recieved signals ringing

2010-08-08 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
What are you running with NR, NB, what bandwidth, roofing filters,
etc?  73, Guy.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:56 PM, W2XB haircut...@verizon.net wrote:

 hello group,
 Noticed the past couple days that when I tune on a cw signal on my K3 (all
 updates) and go to the top edge of the signal its tone starts to rise until
 its ringing like a very narrow filter. Going down in freq it does not do it.
 I am I missing a setting?
 Hope I explained this right

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Ellington
Phil:
In this case, may I refer you to the hearing aid thread?
joke 
Steve
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From: Phil Kane k2...@kanafi.org
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Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Supply


 On 8/8/2010 11:46 AM, Joe Planisky wrote:
 
 I've resolved that I simply will not buy another piece of radio
 equipment that has fans.
 
  There are fans and there are FANS!
 
  I just replaced my main computer which sounded like a vacuum
  cleaner when it was running with a brand-new (expensive) Dell
  Professional with four - count 'em - four fans and I can't
  hear them at all. Hard to tell that the machine is turned on.
  Ditto for the HP laptop that I use with my K2 for digital
  stuff.
 
  The only real fan noise is the auxiliary fan that I mounted
  on top of the K2 that's controlled by the PTT circuit so it's
  not going continuously.  Now that one is loud..
 
 --  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Ted Roycraft
Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency?  Why do you 
feel it necessary to prejudge?  Oh, right ...

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 8/8/2010 8:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

  Nevertheless, it's not transparent.

 Depends on one's definition of transparent.  It appears to work with
 every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge.
 To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive
 sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3.

 73,

... Joe, W4TV


 On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
 Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be
 translucent? :-)

 73, Ted, W2ZK

 On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 ... Maybe it is a nit on my
 part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to
 apps
 connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking
 anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is
 on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these 
 kinds of
 things.
 I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with
 microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that
 LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond
 to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

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[Elecraft] LEARNING CW

2010-08-08 Thread Edward R. Cole
Yep,  a few of them are still with me like: CQ and SK and TEST and 
RST and NAME...pretty good since the last time I operated CW for any 
extended time was in 1958-1959 as a novice!

But you have hit on what my problem is -- No parallel processor! 
;-)  MY wife can rattle off at length when I am reading and I hear 
nothing!  Of course this is due to my college years, when as an 
engineering student, I had to filter out all the noise made in the 
dorm by the jocks and art history majors, etc.  the ability to 
focus with total concentration.

But I think once CW becomes a language that you hear, parallel 
processing is not needed.  What I find in progressing beyond 10-12 
wpm is having to copy one word, decode another, while listening to a 
third one.  One unrecognized character and the whole deal halts into 
a blue screen.

Another parallel problem I am facing is learning to run a paddle.  I 
have had a straight key for over 50-years and back in the day I could 
send perfect 20wpm (could'nt copy it worth ding, though).

I have tried using the CW decoder on the K3 but the decode delay is a 
lot like trying the listen to TV while watching closed 
captioning.  Got to chose one or the other...see no parallel processor, here!

Good advice, Bill.  Ignore us old fuddies.

73, Ed

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As a long time high speed CW op, let me pass on an few of what I feel 
are the keys to learning to receive effortlessly at QRQ levels.  The 
goal is to get to the point where listening to CW is exactly like 
listening to a conversation; that is, there is no conscious 
translation from dits and dahs into letters, words, and ultimately, phrases.



The first thing do to do is throw away your pencil.  Learn early to 
copy in you heard, even if it initially lowers your copying 
speed.  As you work through this stage, you will be amazed how 
quickly you begin to hear words instead of letters.  This approach 
will get you to at least 15 WPM if you stick with it.


For higher speeds, you must train your brain always hear words and 
phrases.  I found that the best way to do this, is to scan, and 
later, read some printed material while youare copying CW.  Again, 
this may require you to cut back your copying speed as the process 
sinks in.  What this does is to permit you to parallel process two 
things-one of which is hearing the CW and unconsciously  turning 
it  into words at the same time you are doing something else.  When 
you reach this stage, you have the tools to take your CW copying to 
any level of speed you wish.  Once you are over the 20 WPM barrier, 
speeds of up to 45 or can be achieved by anyone.


You say you can't parallel process?? Sure you can--you do it every 
time you are, for example, reading the paper and the XYL is talking 
to you ( and you are answering her ) at the same time!!


Bill
N6FB



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[Elecraft] More Fun with the P3

2010-08-08 Thread gary bartlett
Watching the P3 while listening to DX operating split and using
the second receiver to listen to the pile-up, for the first time, is a
technique that everyone told me would be nice but I wasn't prepared for how
easy and effective it turned out to be.  Everyone knows how to set up the K3
so the only other things to do are (1) get the P3 MRKR A on the run
station's frequency just so you know where it is. Now use MKR B to select
your location in the pile up.  Find the hole; push the QSY knob.

 

The technique of using the K3 receiver and your ears to look for
a hole and then transmitting there was obvious right thing to do, but it's
easier said than done to do well.  The P3 takes away all that hassle.  I
agree that this is a highly suspect claim but the visual technique actually
worked for me on the very first try, probably mostly good luck, but
nonetheless the pile-up covered 2 kHz and I found a hole with the P3 and he
heard me.

 

Those who wonder at my good luck might as well know that it was
9X0TL at 0010 9 Jan , new band-country for 9X (20M0.

 

73,

Gary, VE1RGB  

 



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 SSB ALC Problem

2010-08-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Sanjin,

What setting do you have for the SSBA menu parameter - for the MH2, it 
should be set at 1.

Does your K2 have any additions to the KSB2 board, such as the KI6WX 
increased gain mod?  If you don't know, open the K2, remove the KSB2 
board and check for an additional transistor mounted on the board - it 
will be near U5 and could be either on the top or bottom of the board.  
If that mod is present, *and* especially if you have the KPA100 (either 
internal or external), there are changes to the ALC circuit on the KSB2 
board that must be made to keep from slamming the ALC.

There is also the possibility that you have an ALC problem on the KSB2 
board - if it is a very early KSB2 board, there were some changes made 
to improve the IMD for data modes that changed the ALC component 
values.  Download the current KSB2 manual from the Elecraft website and 
compare the values of the components in the lower left corner with the 
values you have on your KSB2 board.  That is one downside to buying a 
used K2, you can never be certain which changes have been installed 
without inspection, unless the seller provided you with complete and 
detailed information about changes.

73,
Don W3FPR

Sanjin Tajic, E71DX wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have a K2 which I bought used. I never really used it on SSB but from time
 to time would like to.

 The problem is when I transmit (Mic is the Elecraft MH2) I get very hard ALC
 action which jumps to full ALC scale reading.

 I tried to inject (via the Mic in a quiet room) a constant modulation and
 even with this constant source I get a very erratic ALC action.

 I get this ALC action with all Mic-gain and Mic-comp settings - more or less
 ALC respectively.

 In all cases the actual Power-out is as it should be and I have no problems
 with the power control neither in CW or SSB.

 This was present from the first day I got it but till now did not really
 bother me much.

 Options installed are: KSB2, K160RX, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2, K60XV, KBT2.


 Thanks in advance for all tips!

 Sanjin, E71DX
   
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 SSB ALC Problem

2010-08-08 Thread Sanjin Tajic, E71DX

Hello Don,

thanks a lot for taking you time!

I have SSB-A set to 1 but I can get a lot ALC action very easily.

My KSB2 Board is a Revision D with firmware 1.08 and there is no additional
transistor around U5 on the top or the bottom side of the board. I do have
an KPA100/KAT100 in an EC2 enclosure.

I will check the components as good as I can in the morning.

Once more, thank you for the help!

73, Sanjin
E71DX
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[Elecraft] [P3] Display bug ...

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


There is a repeatable problem in the P3 display of the bandwidth
cursor in AFSK A and FSK D data sub-modes.  In both submodes the
VFOs (correctly) display the RF frequency of the MARK (as set by
Pitch).  However, the P3 displays the filter limits as if the
mark frequency were always set to 915 Hz,  that is it does not
make use of the IS; data from the K3.  Instead P3 appears to ignore
IS in AFSK A and FSK D (uses a fixed IS=1000).  This results in a 
display error of -(IS - 1000) for other mark frequencies.

The error does not appear to be related to the choice if PB Control
(0.5 | 0.1) or the use of the K3 extended command set by any external
software.

K3 FW 4.05, P3 FW 0.28

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Brian Alsop
Even with the latest version of LP-BRIDGE (9.8), I continue to 
experience some rig time outs.  All occur during periods of transmitting 
where one does not drop back to RX during that period.  Direct connect 
without LP-BRIDGE shows none of these.  They happen even with the K3 
throttled back to 5 W or less so RFI isn't the cause.

There certainly appear to be some timing issues with LP-BRIDGE/K3.

It occurs with no P3, two different rigs and two different logging programs.

Just what RS232 activity is permitted between the rig and LP-BRIDGE 
during transmit?  Are there blackout periods where the K3 will not 
respond to polls?

The nature of the time out is that the logging program doesn't think the 
K3 is attached any more.

73 de Brian/K3KO

Ted Roycraft wrote:
 Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency?  Why do you 
 feel it necessary to prejudge?  Oh, right ...
 
 73, Ted, W2ZK
 
 On 8/8/2010 8:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 Nevertheless, it's not transparent.
 Depends on one's definition of transparent.  It appears to work with
 every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge.
 To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive
 sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3.

 73,

... Joe, W4TV


 On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
 Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be
 translucent? :-)

 73, Ted, W2ZK

 On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 ... Maybe it is a nit on my
 part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to
 apps
 connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking
 anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is
 on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these 
 kinds of
 things.
 I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with
 microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that
 LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond
 to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] Display bug ...

2010-08-08 Thread Bill W4ZV


Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
 
 
 
 There is a repeatable problem in the P3 display of the bandwidth
 cursor in AFSK A and FSK D data sub-modes.  In both submodes the
 VFOs (correctly) display the RF frequency of the MARK (as set by
 Pitch).  However, the P3 displays the filter limits as if the
 mark frequency were always set to 915 Hz,  that is it does not
 make use of the IS; data from the K3.  Instead P3 appears to ignore
 IS in AFSK A and FSK D (uses a fixed IS=1000).  This results in a 
 display error of -(IS - 1000) for other mark frequencies.
 
 The error does not appear to be related to the choice if PB Control
 (0.5 | 0.1) or the use of the K3 extended command set by any external
 software.
 
 K3 FW 4.05, P3 FW 0.28
 

This was fixed in 0.29.  QRX for public release.

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for August 8th 9th, 2010

2010-08-08 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   Twenty meters was fairly quiet yet it provided strong signals.  Two CT 
stations both of whom sounded very good.  However, I wonder where everyone else 
has gone?  Maybe the long spate of unfavorable propagation has forced them into 
other endeavors.  Maybe a bit of advertising during the week will help regain 
lost contacts.  
   Forty meters had some QRN but not bad, not like some weeks where my ears 
rang for half an hour afterward.  Weather reports were mostly pleasant except 
for the Midwest.  The two CT station both had lower temperatures than I would 
have expected.  Even reports from California were cooler.  Here it has been 
very nice.  No need for heat or for air conditioning for a number of weeks.  

   On to the lists =

  On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767
K1EV - Bill - CT - K2 - 2152
W6BK - Dave - CA - K2 - 4910

  On 7045.5 kHz at z:
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K2 - 5345
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798
W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767
K7SJ - Roger - WA - K3 - 75
 
   I will write a little more during the week to see if I can stir up interest 
in ECN once again.  The sun is doing its part and hopefully the coming weeks 
will show further propagation increases.  I will monitor 15, 12, and 10 meters 
to see how the higher bands are doing and extrapolate that knowledge downward 
to determine MUF.  It may be time for me to put up a vertical to get a 
different look on the continent.  Hopefully DX stations will be heard once 
again too.  I almost asked K1EV to act as NCS as he has done so well in the 
past.  Next week I shall do so.
   Until then stay well,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

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[Elecraft] P3 Unexpected Control Operation ...

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Rotary controls in the K3 and P3 increase their parameter as the
encoder is turned clockwise except in two cases.

1) The P3 REF LVL is decreased with clockwise rotation.  Maximum
reference level is -10 dBm with the encoder fully counterclockwise
while it is minimum -160 dBm with the encoder fully clockwise.

2) The P3 SCALE (range) is decreased with clockwise rotation.
Scale is minimum (10 dB) when the encoder is fully clockwise
and maximum (80 dB) when the encoder is fully counterclockwise.

Both of these controls violate the principle of expected behavior
and consistent operation.

73,

... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] Problem connecting LP_Bridge through the P3 to the K3

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency?

Only that it appears to implement it with all of the software
I've tested (except for LP-Bridge obviously).

  Why do you feel it necessary to prejudge?

Who is prejudging?  If other software operates normally while
LP-Bridge which has many other reported issues (to the extent
that several developers require their users to document a bug
when LP-Bridge is NOT in use before it is considered a valid
bug report) is the only software not to operate correctly,
why do you arbitrarily blame the P3?  Just because it is the
last device added is not a reason to expect the P3 to fix
potential problems with other software ... show the incorrect
operation first before expecting Elecraft to divert resources
to fix a problem that may not even exist.

   Oh, right ...

What does that mean?

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2010 8:25 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
 Do you know how the P3 is implementing the transparency?  Why do you
 feel it necessary to prejudge? Oh, right ...

 73, Ted, W2ZK

 On 8/8/2010 8:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

  Nevertheless, it's not transparent.

 Depends on one's definition of transparent. It appears to work with
 every application I've thrown at it except for initializing LP-Bridge.
 To me that implies an issue with LP-Bridge - perhaps an excessive
 sensitivity to timing - not an issue with the P3/K3.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


 On 8/8/2010 1:21 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
 Nevertheless, it's not transparent. Maybe we should allow it to be
 translucent? :-)

 73, Ted, W2ZK

 On 8/8/2010 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 ... Maybe it is a nit on my
 part but the RS-232 port on the P3 is supposed to be transparent to
 apps
 connecting to the K3 via RS-232 and it isn't - not strictly speaking
 anyway since LP-Bridge hangs while connecting to the K3 if the P3 is
 on. I figure now is the time to get Elecraft to address these
 kinds of
 things.
 I would not be so quick to blame the P3. P3 works just fine with
 microHAM Router and other port sharing software. It may be that
 LP-Bridge is too critical of the timing or expects the K3 to respond
 to a particular AI or K3 mode that is incompatible with the P3.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

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Re: [Elecraft] [P3] Display bug ...

2010-08-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Thanks Bill.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2010 10:14 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote:


 Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:



 There is a repeatable problem in the P3 display of the bandwidth
 cursor in AFSK A and FSK D data sub-modes.  In both submodes the
 VFOs (correctly) display the RF frequency of the MARK (as set by
 Pitch).  However, the P3 displays the filter limits as if the
 mark frequency were always set to 915 Hz,  that is it does not
 make use of the IS; data from the K3.  Instead P3 appears to ignore
 IS in AFSK A and FSK D (uses a fixed IS=1000).  This results in a
 display error of -(IS - 1000) for other mark frequencies.

 The error does not appear to be related to the choice if PB Control
 (0.5 | 0.1) or the use of the K3 extended command set by any external
 software.

 K3 FW 4.05, P3 FW 0.28


 This was fixed in 0.29.  QRX for public release.

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