Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible

2015-01-20 Thread Stephen Prior
If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone, rather than leaving it to
the purchaser to potentially make a poor choice and then not bother to
compensate with the equaliser, I believe we wouldn't be reading these
admittedly  isolated comments about K3s with thin audio.  This has
recently come up again with the current dxpedition in Iran.

I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year, yet when I do I am
almost always complimented on the audio.  I am using the MH2 microphone.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 20 January 2015 at 00:24, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:

 * On 2015 19 Jan 16:32 -0600, Fred Jensen wrote:
  For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get
  unsolicited great audio comments in essentially every SSB contest I
 enter.
  NAQP last Sat was the last.  Never happened before the K3

 I have found the same with my K3/CM500 combination.  I never received
 compliments on my transmitted audio until I owned the K3.  Yet, on
 various forums the meme still exists that the K3 is a poor SSB radio.
 I've seen this comment a bit less, especially since firmware 4.51
 improved the AGC noticeably.  Other than distortion when engaging the
 auto-notch, I am pleased enough that I am not contemplating replacing
 the K3.

 73, Nate N0NB

 P.S. I claim that I have a face for radio and a voice for CW/digi modes!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible

2015-01-20 Thread Ian White
The OP was more about Phase Noise that is emitted by the Radio.

Here is Wayne's response to the OP.
BTW, Jim's call should be K9YC as Wayne corrected later.

( See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various
transceivers:   http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf )
73 Milverton. / W9MMS


The discussion galloped off in the directions of phase noise and audio quality, 
but the OP didn't actually specify what he meant by clean.

Had he mentioned IMD, the discussion might have gone differently. In static 
2-tone tests, the K3's IMD performance is adequate for a 12V transportable 
transceiver, but the high-order IMD is not very good at all (mostly due to the 
MOSFET driver). 

However, the K3 pulls ahead again in dynamic IMD tests with real-life speech 
modulation, thanks to its almost unique light touch ALC system. The K3 
implements ALC in the way that the engineers at Collins (the inventors of ALC 
for SSB) originally intended. The RF drive is pre-calibrated across a range of 
power levels on each band, leaving the ALC to deal with any moderate 
overshoots. 

By contrast, most (all?) other transceivers still seem to use an ALC loop with 
very high gain to control the power level, band-to-band gain variations, 
clipping overshoots and whatever else, and the high loop gain creates major 
dynamic overshoots of its own.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible

2015-01-20 Thread Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft
 If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone 
 make a poor choice and then not bother to
compensate with the equaliser 

 I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year, yet when I do I 
 amalmost always complimented on the audio. 
   For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get
  unsolicited great audio comments in essentially every SSB contest I
 enter.    

It seems that there is a case of Apples and Oranges here.
The OP was more about Phase Noise that is emitted by the Radio. 

Here is Wayne's response to the OP. 
BTW, Jim's call should be K9YC as Wayne corrected later. 

( See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various 
transceivers:   http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf )
73 Milverton. / W9MMS 
 
 
 

 From: Stephen Prior eastbrantw...@gmail.com
 To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
   
If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone, rather than leaving it to
the purchaser to potentially make a poor choice and then not bother to
compensate with the equaliser, I believe we wouldn't be reading these
admittedly  isolated comments about K3s with thin audio.  This has
recently come up again with the current dxpedition in Iran.

I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year, yet when I do I am
almost always complimented on the audio.  I am using the MH2 microphone.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 20 January 2015 at 00:24, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:

 * On 2015 19 Jan 16:32 -0600, Fred Jensen wrote:
  For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get
  unsolicited great audio comments in essentially every SSB contest I
 enter.
  NAQP last Sat was the last.  Never happened before the K3

 I have found the same with my K3/CM500 combination.  I never received
 compliments on my transmitted audio until I owned the K3.  Yet, on
 various forums the meme still exists that the K3 is a poor SSB radio.
 I've seen this comment a bit less, especially since firmware 4.51
 improved the AGC noticeably.  Other than distortion when engaging the
 auto-notch, I am pleased enough that I am not contemplating replacing
 the K3.

 73, Nate N0NB

 P.S. I claim that I have a face for radio and a voice for CW/digi modes!

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[Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc

2015-01-20 Thread Kevin Schache

I've successfully completed my K2 and tests appear ok.
Added SSB board and that's ok too.
Then built KAT100-1  an KAT102 and also tests ok.,
But now, connect to Computer and bother I didn't think to check!
No serial connection on the computers

What's the recommendation?
An RS232 serial to USB adapter?
Reading the archives it appears this could create problems.

I've two computers, a desktop HP Compaq Presario and a laptop, SONY VAIO 
E series both running MSWindows V7, neither have serial ports.


Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks
Kev   VK5KS
K2 #7552

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Carl Clawson
There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions

I've asked a few times for this to be fixed and swore to myself that I
would never mention it again but oops there I went...

73 and thanks for listening,
Carl WS7L

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 That sounds like you want to build effectively a VOX circuit (to recognize
 the keying tone) and drive the PTT input.

 I can think of no good reason to do that because the K3 has a very good
 VOX that works well for digital modes.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Indeed it does.  I never understand the desire to make things complicated.  
Witness the desire to use FSK rather than AFSK with the K3.


Wes  N7WS

RTTY DX 232 worked, 208 confirmed using a K3, AFSK, VOX and a laptop soundcard.

On 1/20/2015 12:05 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,1/19/2015 8:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:

Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
a 9V battery?


Why do you want to do this? VOX works very well with digital modes.

73, Jim K9YC




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc

2015-01-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On the Sony laptop, you will need to get a USB to serial cord. Be sure to
get an adapter with an FTDI chipset. There always seem to be issues with
drivers, including one that would brick the adapter. I don't know where
that issue got to. The CURRENT model being sold by Elecraft seems to be
working ok. Use their supplied driver.

If your HP desktop has a spare slot, install a serial card with two or four
REAL RS232 serial ports. RS232 is a totally stable interface that hasn't
been changed even a little in many years. Nobody is trying to adapt RS232
to some new hardware, like what goes on in the world of USB all the time.
In my own case, RS232-land became refreshingly boring and non-problematic
when I installed a 2 port serial card. They are assigned COM1 and COM2 in
the bios boot-up, which go to my K3 and K2 respectively, and there are none
of the where-did-my-com-port-go issues. My Microham u2R has a USB interface
which has been tamed nicely and handles the rest of the signal lines. It
has been rock solid with zero issues.

*** Very Important ***  You will NOT be able to plug any standard DB9 RS232
into the K2's DB9 socket on the back. Do that and you burn stuff. You MUST
use the special Y cord to split up the RS232 signals and the proprietary
signals. See the KIO2 manual...

  http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KIO2%20man%20rev%20C%20.pdf

...beginning on page 12, for a description of the cord specifics.

73, Guy





On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Kevin Schache hillsla...@internode.on.net
wrote:

 I've successfully completed my K2 and tests appear ok.
 Added SSB board and that's ok too.
 Then built KAT100-1  an KAT102 and also tests ok.,
 But now, connect to Computer and bother I didn't think to check!
 No serial connection on the computers

 What's the recommendation?
 An RS232 serial to USB adapter?
 Reading the archives it appears this could create problems.

 I've two computers, a desktop HP Compaq Presario and a laptop, SONY VAIO E
 series both running MSWindows V7, neither have serial ports.

 Any suggestions would be welcome.

 Thanks
 Kev   VK5KS
 K2 #7552

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
That sounds like you want to build effectively a VOX circuit (to 
recognize the keying tone) and drive the PTT input.


I can think of no good reason to do that because the K3 has a very good 
VOX that works well for digital modes.
The only remote reason I can think of would be if you are running Fldigi 
with the default soundcard and also have Windows Sounds enabled - 
desiring not to key the transmitter with the Windows sounds.  But that 
is not practical since the windows sounds occur on both channels and 
that goal would be defeated entirely because the right channel sound 
would also key the transmitter through that circuit you refer to.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/19/2015 11:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:

Hi
I have set up a Tascam US-125M with K3/10, for work with fl-digi.
Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
a 9V battery?
Does anyone have a ready made circuit? Thanks.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread ejkkjh

Chris,
I understand your question, I have been wondering the same thing.
And in spite of a couple replies you got, I think it is a good question.
If you find an answer, please let me know, and I will do the same.  I have 
tried using the K3 VOX for digital modes and I have had problems with it.
One thing I have done is use a Signalink USB on the transmit side to key the 
K3, that works well, but simpler solution might be better.

Thank you, good luck 73
Emory WM3M

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Meagher

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:51 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

Hi
I have set up a Tascam US-125M with K3/10, for work with fl-digi.
Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
a 9V battery?
Does anyone have a ready made circuit? Thanks.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Byron Servies
Jim, isn't the appropriate PTT hookup covered in your HamInterfacing
document? I remember using it for my TS-830s a few years ago for RTTY.

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf

Something to check, anyway, Chris.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:
 On Mon,1/19/2015 8:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:

 Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
 take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
 the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
 a 9V battery?


 Why do you want to do this? VOX works very well with digital modes.

 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Brian Hunt
Further the VOX GAIN setting is the same for DATA and SSB.  I find I 
have to increase the VOX GAIN for digital modes and of course forget to 
turn it back down for SSB.  Having it per-mode would help. Fortunately I 
don't use either mode very much so it's not a big deal.


73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:

The VOX on/off setting is shared by
AFSK, DATA A, and SSB.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Mike Reublin NF4L
I asked a long time ago for separating SSB VOX from everything else. I found a 
workaround for my needs, but I;d still like it. It's supposedly on the list.

73, Mike NF4L

 On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Brian Hunt huntin...@coastside.net wrote:
 
 Further the VOX GAIN setting is the same for DATA and SSB.  I find I have to 
 increase the VOX GAIN for digital modes and of course forget to turn it back 
 down for SSB.  Having it per-mode would help. Fortunately I don't use either 
 mode very much so it's not a big deal.
 
 73,
 Brian, K0DTJ
 
 On 1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:
 The VOX on/off setting is shared by
 AFSK, DATA A, and SSB.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Jim Brown

On Tue,1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:

There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions


Can't argue with that -- every time the XYL walks through the shack when 
I'm doing a SSB contest with a load of laundry she trips the VOX when 
the door slams. It's one of those things I've learned to live with. :)


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible

2015-01-20 Thread Jim Brown

On Tue,1/20/2015 1:41 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:

If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone, rather than leaving it to
the purchaser to potentially make a poor choice and then not bother to
compensate with the equaliser, I believe we wouldn't be reading these
admittedly  isolated comments about K3s with thin audio.  This has
recently come up again with the current dxpedition in Iran.

I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year,


Those complaining about thin audio clearly don't know much about the 
fundamentals of communications and speech intelligibility. It has been 
well known for nearly a century that the frequency range that is most 
important for speech intelligibility is 400 Hz to 4 kHz. It is also well 
known that speech below 400 Hz wastes transmitter power.  Those guys in 
Iran SHOULD have thin audio. I'd consider them incompetent if they did 
not.


Ham radio is communications, not broadcasting.  Many of us have done 
both, and we know the difference.  I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering 
Society. My music recordings are full range. My ham transmissions are not.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft
 every time the XYL walks through the shack when 
I'm doing a SSB contest with a load of laundry she trips the VOX when 
the door slams  

Jim the best solution is for you to be the  Perfect Gentleman  and open the 
door for 
the wife walks through the shack with a load of laundry. :-D  big 
grin 

73 Milverton.

  From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
   
On Tue,1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:
 There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
 AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
 very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions

Can't argue with that -- every time the XYL walks through the shack when 
I'm doing a SSB contest with a load of laundry she trips the VOX when 
the door slams. It's one of those things I've learned to live with. :)

73, Jim K9YC




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc

2015-01-20 Thread Matthew Pitts via Elecraft
The FTDI driver that could brick the counterfeit FTDI chips has been pulled. 
Whether that is good or bad remains to be seen. Matthew PittsN8OHU


  From: Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com
 To: Kevin Schache hillsla...@internode.on.net 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc
   
On the Sony laptop, you will need to get a USB to serial cord. Be sure to
get an adapter with an FTDI chipset. There always seem to be issues with
drivers, including one that would brick the adapter. I don't know where
that issue got to. The CURRENT model being sold by Elecraft seems to be
working ok. Use their supplied driver.

If your HP desktop has a spare slot, install a serial card with two or four
REAL RS232 serial ports. RS232 is a totally stable interface that hasn't
been changed even a little in many years. Nobody is trying to adapt RS232
to some new hardware, like what goes on in the world of USB all the time.
In my own case, RS232-land became refreshingly boring and non-problematic
when I installed a 2 port serial card. They are assigned COM1 and COM2 in
the bios boot-up, which go to my K3 and K2 respectively, and there are none
of the where-did-my-com-port-go issues. My Microham u2R has a USB interface
which has been tamed nicely and handles the rest of the signal lines. It
has been rock solid with zero issues.

*** Very Important ***  You will NOT be able to plug any standard DB9 RS232
into the K2's DB9 socket on the back. Do that and you burn stuff. You MUST
use the special Y cord to split up the RS232 signals and the proprietary
signals. See the KIO2 manual...

  http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KIO2%20man%20rev%20C%20.pdf

...beginning on page 12, for a description of the cord specifics.

73, Guy





On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Kevin Schache hillsla...@internode.on.net
wrote:

 I've successfully completed my K2 and tests appear ok.
 Added SSB board and that's ok too.
 Then built KAT100-1  an KAT102 and also tests ok.,
 But now, connect to Computer and bother I didn't think to check!
 No serial connection on the computers

 What's the recommendation?
 An RS232 serial to USB adapter?
 Reading the archives it appears this could create problems.

 I've two computers, a desktop HP Compaq Presario and a laptop, SONY VAIO E
 series both running MSWindows V7, neither have serial ports.

 Any suggestions would be welcome.

 Thanks
 Kev  VK5KS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Bill Frantz
I'm in Carl's situation. I solved my problem with the SignaLink 
USB by using its VOX to key the K3. With a Tascam USB US-122MKII 
arriving from Emory, I'll have the problem again.


The one VOX setting for SSB and Data is particularly annoying 
with my style of operating. I am a search and pounce operator at 
heart. I scan a band looking for interesting signals. If I see 
one, I try for the contact. This style means I'm always 
switching between SSB, CW, Data A, and AFSK A. Sometimes I even 
includes AM. I haven't use FM in the rotation, because 10M is a 
big band and I'm not yet very active on 6M.


Please Elecraft, separate the VOX settings for SSB and Data. I 
would be very surprised is anyone complained, and a number of us 
will be quite gratified.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/20/15 at 8:48 AM, clawso...@gmail.com (Carl Clawson) wrote:


There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions

I've asked a few times for this to be fixed and swore to myself that I
would never mention it again but oops there I went...


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[Elecraft] K3 keying/vox for digi

2015-01-20 Thread Chris Meagher
Hi
Thanks for all the replies. I did not wish to explain why I do not want to
use VOX for keying digi from the right channel tone. But as another has
explained, the VOX setting needs to be different for Digi and phone, and I
found it annoying having to fiddle through the menu after changing modes,
and then there is the antivox also. Or remembering to turn it off, the risk
of me transmitting some curse or other is too great!. VOX is a nice feature
for some but I would rather do without it. Its a personal thing, not a
technical issue. I only ever use it for heavy contesting, where both hands
need to be free.
Anyway, I have found what looks to be a good circuit in the fldigi
manual.(thanks Joe)
Chris   VK2ACD
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[Elecraft] K1 For Sale, Excellent condition

2015-01-20 Thread w6...@w6sfm.com

Hi Guys,

I have for sale an Elecraft K1 4 band rig in Excellent condition.  This 
rig has very low hours on it and a higher SN in the 2700 range.  The rig 
comes with the hard to find 4 band (40/30/20/15) module and the ATU 
(Antenna Tuner) installed.  I will also throw in the constructed  
working 17/80 meter module as well!  I have a small plug in power 
adapter to run the rig as a home station, and a double fused Anderson 
connector mobile adapter cable. A printed version of the build manual is 
also included.


Construction of the rig was done by a very meticulous person and all of 
the coils and transformers were wound by a true professional.  The rig 
TX and RX including its filters (200Hz-850 Hz) have all been recently 
tested on-air. TX bandpass has been tested at a +/- 10 Hz tone pitch 
center.  This rig has been carefully stored in a protective box in a 
non-smoking, pet free environment

.
I'm asking $575.00 for the rig plus shipping.  Shipping will be at 
actual cost via UPS or USPS (must be insured). If you are interested in 
purchasing the rig, would like to make an offer, or you would like more 
information and pictures, please feel free to email me off the 
reflector.  Thanks,


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Re: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter

2015-01-20 Thread Edward R Cole

Unfortunately this seems to be the case everywhere in the US.

I may be the only one here in this part of Alaska with a 222 
transverter (One other ham has done 222-eme so that's two).  Most 
just buy a FM mobile or HT and get on 223.50 (Nat'l Simplex channel) 
or repeaters if they exist.


But a comment about the 222 band:  Too often it has the best 
propagation for long-range tropo contacts (bettering 2m quite 
often).  Really a shame it is underutilized by hams.


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[Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Wednesday Night!

2015-01-20 Thread Larry Makoski
NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

The January sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (January 21st,
EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Thursday, January 22nd, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases.

For all the official information, please go to:

http://naqcc.info/sprint201501.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!

72/73 de Larry W2LJ
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-20 Thread Bill Coleman

 On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek k8...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
 like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
 Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
 switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 
 or 250 Hz filter?
 
 Tnx in Advance
 
 Mike Zbrozek, K8XF

I’m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter — the 
13 kHz FM filter.

I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That’s 
nice — if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive. 

During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only 
wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) 
ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz 
(5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) 
filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.

Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before 
contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM 
receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because 
someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.

The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You 
don’t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio 
works great with just the stock filter.

Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter 
makes a difference. I’ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There’s a 
distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. 
During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel 
interference. I’m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and 
RTTY work.

Bottom line — can you afford to put $700 (or $1400 if you buy the KRX3 option) 
worth of crystal filters in your radio? Yes? Good for you. No? Then the stock 
5-pole filter works great. Splurge for the 500 Hz (5-pole) roofing filter 
instead of upgrading to the 2.8 kHz (8-pole) filter.

PS - I just bought the KRX3 option and purchased it with the stock 2.7 kHz 
(5-pole) filter. I did spend the extra $30 to get a filter whose offset matches 
the offset of the filter in the main radio (-0.79). 



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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-20 Thread Bill Coleman

 On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:21 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would note that in crowded contesting conditions, you pretty much
 have to use a filter which matches the DSP setting. What gets by the
 roofing filter can engage the defensive hardware AGC which is there
 to keep input to the analog to digital conversion in the sweet range
 of the AD device. This can become a problem with very loud signals
 right at the edge of the DSP passband, if the roofing filter is not
 close in bandwidth.

I disagree with this assessment. The DSP filtering is quite good. You only have 
a problem with a wider roofing filter causing the hardware AGC pumping for 
extremely strong signals that happen to be within the bounds of the roofing 
filter, but outside the DSP filter. Unless the roofing filter is really wide 
(like using the 2.7 kHz filter in a CW contest) this doesn’t happen that often.

I find the stock 2.7 kHz roofing filter more than adequate for SSB contesting, 
and the 500 Hz roofing filter perfect for CW and RTTY contesting. 

The K3 is a fantastic radio even if you don’t have a bunch of really expensive 
crystal filters….

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Re: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter

2015-01-20 Thread John Santillo
I do a lot of VHF contesting in June and September and find 222 a great band
that propagates very nicely.  It's quieter than 2M during a contest allowing
us to work weaker signals than we would be able to on 2M.  We have worked
well into the mid-west using Tropo but unfortunately the activity isn't what
it could be.  

I wish more stations would invest in 222.



73,

John
N2HMM for
W2LV FN21

 

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:14 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter

Unfortunately this seems to be the case everywhere in the US.

I may be the only one here in this part of Alaska with a 222 
transverter (One other ham has done 222-eme so that's two).  Most 
just buy a FM mobile or HT and get on 223.50 (Nat'l Simplex channel) 
or repeaters if they exist.

But a comment about the 222 band:  Too often it has the best 
propagation for long-range tropo contacts (bettering 2m quite 
often).  Really a shame it is underutilized by hams.

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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-20 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite adequate.


The problem is that the 8 pole filters have a better slope factor and 
do not have an offset.
The offset is only important for diversity reception, and the slope 
factor is only important in situations where the band conditions are 
such that there are strong signals on adjacent frequencies -- as might 
be encountered in heavy contests or DX pileups.


So if you are not interested in having the optimum receive capability in 
DX pileups and heavy contesting situations, save your $$$ and use the 5 
pole filters.  Some of us are more casual operators, and the $$$ savings 
can be significant.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2015 11:17 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:

On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek k8...@verizon.net wrote:

As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 
250 Hz filter?

Tnx in Advance

Mike Zbrozek, K8XF

I’m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter — the 
13 kHz FM filter.

I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That’s 
nice — if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive.

During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only 
wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) 
ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz 
(5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) 
filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.

Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before 
contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM 
receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because 
someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.

The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You 
don’t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio 
works great with just the stock filter.

Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter 
makes a difference. I’ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There’s a 
distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. 
During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel 
interference. I’m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and 
RTTY work.




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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-20 Thread Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft
 I'm a contester,   so I have tight 8-pole filters.  I've often 
 advised those who are not contesters to go with no additional 
roofing filters and add only on the air experience has taught them that 
they need.  
Jim, I really hate to burst your bubble, you being a CONTESTER and all.However! 
On any given contest weekend, the Non Contester are the ones who really need 
theTight Filters because some inconsiderate holier than god contester will 
start calling CQ 1500 hz next to 
an existing QSO. (14.300) catches HELL during contest weekend. 
I'm really glad that you are a Contester, but I get the impression from your 
audacious statementthat if one is not among the coveted contesters then they 
would not know the need of such sophisticatedgadgetry.

 K2AV and I are both contesters (and engineers), and we have 
independently arrived at the same point.  

The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.
I guess Ham Radio is only for CONTESTERS. 
Just my $0.02 worth. 


73 Milverton / W9MMS

  From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
   
On Tue,1/20/2015 9:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
 and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite 
 adequate. 

I agree completely. I'm a contester, so I have tight 8-pole filters. 
I've often advised those who are not contesters to go with no additional 
roofing filters and add only on the air experience has taught them that 
they need. K2AV and I are both contesters (and engineers), and we have 
independently arrived at the same point.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-20 Thread David Cole
I use the 8 pole Xtal filter, and love it for CW...  You are in for such
a treat once you get your K3 going on CW...  The rig is a wet dream for
CW ops.
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On Tue, 2015-01-20 at 23:17 -0500, Bill Coleman wrote:
  On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek k8...@verizon.net wrote:
  
  As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
  like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
  Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
  switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 
  200 or 250 Hz filter?
  
  Tnx in Advance
  
  Mike Zbrozek, K8XF
 
 I’m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter — the 
 13 kHz FM filter.
 
 I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. 
 That’s nice — if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive. 
 
 During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only 
 wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) 
 ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz 
 (5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 
 (8-pole) filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.
 
 Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before 
 contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and 
 AM receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because 
 someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.
 
 The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You 
 don’t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio 
 works great with just the stock filter.
 
 Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter 
 makes a difference. I’ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There’s a 
 distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. 
 During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel 
 interference. I’m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK 
 and RTTY work.
 
 Bottom line — can you afford to put $700 (or $1400 if you buy the KRX3 
 option) worth of crystal filters in your radio? Yes? Good for you. No? Then 
 the stock 5-pole filter works great. Splurge for the 500 Hz (5-pole) roofing 
 filter instead of upgrading to the 2.8 kHz (8-pole) filter.
 
 PS - I just bought the KRX3 option and purchased it with the stock 2.7 kHz 
 (5-pole) filter. I did spend the extra $30 to get a filter whose offset 
 matches the offset of the filter in the main radio (-0.79). 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-20 Thread Jim Brown

On Tue,1/20/2015 9:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite 
adequate. 


I agree completely. I'm a contester, so I have tight 8-pole filters. 
I've often advised those who are not contesters to go with no additional 
roofing filters and add only on the air experience has taught them that 
they need. K2AV and I are both contesters (and engineers), and we have 
independently arrived at the same point.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

2015-01-20 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
Well let's be clear here...

These are roofing filters, so you will only notice a difference in adjacent 
frequency rejection of loud signals... so if you live out in the country and 
don't have any loud stations near you, it’s not likely you will ever perceive a 
difference between 5 pole and 8 pole filters.   So the decision is driven more 
by the degree of loud stations operating adjacent to you... than by the type of 
operating you do.


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-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don 
Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:23 PM
To: Bill Coleman; Mike Zbrozek
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

Bill,

If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite adequate.

The problem is that the 8 pole filters have a better slope factor and 
do not have an offset.
The offset is only important for diversity reception, and the slope 
factor is only important in situations where the band conditions are 
such that there are strong signals on adjacent frequencies -- as might 
be encountered in heavy contests or DX pileups.

So if you are not interested in having the optimum receive capability in 
DX pileups and heavy contesting situations, save your $$$ and use the 5 
pole filters.  Some of us are more casual operators, and the $$$ savings 
can be significant.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2015 11:17 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
 On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek k8...@verizon.net wrote:

 As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
 like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
 Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
 switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 
 or 250 Hz filter?

 Tnx in Advance

 Mike Zbrozek, K8XF
 I’m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter — the 
 13 kHz FM filter.

 I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. 
 That’s nice — if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive.

 During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only 
 wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) 
 ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz 
 (5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 
 (8-pole) filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.

 Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before 
 contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and 
 AM receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because 
 someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.

 The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You 
 don’t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio 
 works great with just the stock filter.

 Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter 
 makes a difference. I’ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There’s a 
 distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. 
 During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel 
 interference. I’m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK 
 and RTTY work.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Don Wilhelm

Carl,

Since you likely have a serial connection for rig control in addition to 
the audio lines, you have an alternative to using the Fldigi 'tone keying'.

Tell the digital mode application to use either RTS or DTR for rig PTT --
Then set the K3 CONFIG: PTT-KEY menu to match the selection in your 
software.


Only one downside to this method is when the computer boots, it will 
test the DTR and RTS signal lines which will cause the K3 to go into 
transmit temporarily (but with no audio, so no RF should be produced).  
To prevent that from happening, boot the computer first and then power 
the K3 on.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2015 11:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:

There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions

I've asked a few times for this to be fixed and swore to myself that I
would never mention it again but oops there I went...

73 and thanks for listening,
Carl WS7L




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[Elecraft] K3 Low output 30m

2015-01-20 Thread Roger D Johnson
My K3 has always had low output on 30m (ca 90 watts). I checked the TXG 
(transmit gain)
figures and 40m is 64, 30m is 103 and 20m is 30. The K3 uses the same lowpass 
filter on

30 and 40m. Is it possible mine rolls off too quickly at the low end?

73, Roger N1RJ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

2015-01-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


Build the circuit here:
   https://sites.google.com/site/kh6tyinterface/

You need connect only the right channel (ring of the typical TRS jack).
The second transformer (receive audio), assorted components, and the
transmit audio pot are not needed.   Do use the transformer on the TX
audio as it provides a voltage step-up to make the VOX circuit more
sensitive.

I believe the pseudo FSK decoder circuit in the fldigi documentation
will also work for PTT.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-19 11:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:

Hi
I have set up a Tascam US-125M with K3/10, for work with fl-digi.
Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
a 9V battery?
Does anyone have a ready made circuit? Thanks.
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