Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

2017-09-26 Thread David Gilbert


I don't understand the need for all that menu access in the first place 
for normal operating.  I've literally operated complete major contests 
(CQWW, ARRL DX, etc) without ever changing anything in the menu, and 
that covers dramatic changes in operating conditions (propagation, QRN, 
QRM, etc).  Yes, I played around with many of the settings when I first 
got my K3, but once I settled on what I felt were the optimum settings 
for the majority of my operations I haven't touched them since.  
Everything I need to change on the fly is already right there on the 
front panel.


The fact that there are lots of deep options doesn't mean it makes sense 
to have to constantly diddle with them.


Dave   AB7E


On 9/26/2017 5:49 PM, Emory Schley wrote:

Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by choosing 
between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change one gives 
me a headache."
  
That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate up to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which would contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every function the parent rig is capable of providing?
  
This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or wi-fied) from the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size would be whatever was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble a normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a separate control for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several controls might be multi-purpose.
  
Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home station, it could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more expansive and convenient manner.
  
Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of the engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
  
Emory Schley

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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Edward R Cole
Don't have the SDRPlay, but do have a SDR-IQ which operates using 
Spectravue quite nicely.  Noise floor below 550-KHz is -130 dBm and 
with antenna noise varies -115 to -95 dBm in the 600m band.


I typically use it on the 28-MHz IF of my VHF and higher transverters.

I bought two LP-Pan1 (with mod to LP-Pan2) which are connected to my 
K3 main and subreceiver's IF's.  I can run them as panoramic band 
span through a Delta soundcard for up to 192-KHz bandspan.  The 
LP-Pan are tied to a single LO for coherent dual IQ to recover 
diversity reception.


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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

2017-09-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
During normal operation, the controls on the front of the K3/K3S will 
have all the control that is needed.  There is no need to drill down 
into the menu for operation.


The menu is normally for setup of your K3 which can be customized to 
your preferences before any serious operating events.


I wonder what form of operating you are doing that requires constant 
access to the menu system.


The K-Pod was not intended to alter the menu settings, it is an 
accessory that allows the operator (primarily contester of DXer) who 
uses a keyboard to reach the commonly used controls (VFO A, VFO B and 
RIT) without moving the hands to the radio - it is only a small distance 
to move the hand from the keyboard to the K-Pod.


Yes, the K-Pod can initiate up to 16 K3 Macros via the buttons.  What 
those macros may be are defined by the user.


So if you are constantly using the menu system for some adjustments 
during normal operation, it would be wise to write macros that access 
that menu item(s) from a K-Pod button tap or hold.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/26/2017 9:08 PM, Byron Servies wrote:

Hi there!

Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
programmable external control with additional outputs for station
control?

73, Byron N6NUL

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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

2017-09-26 Thread Dave Fugleberg
Have you looked at Win4K3?
I realize it's not the hardware solution you wanted, but it does bring out
all the controls to a PC screen so you can point and click at pretty much
any of them rather than going through the menus on the radio...

I suppose one could build exactly what you proposed using a box of knobs,
switches, and meters connected to an Arduino or similar microcontroller,
which would talk to the radio via the serial port.

I actually did build a controller of sorts using a Arduino nano stuffed
inside an old optical mouse. I used the mouse wheel and buttons and
assigned them specific serial commands to send to the K3. Works pretty well
for its intended purpose. An expansion of that idea could likely give you
most of what you want.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:09 PM Byron Servies  wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
> programmable external control with additional outputs for station
> control?
>
> 73, Byron N6NUL
> (sorry for the dup, Emory)
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Emory Schley  wrote:
> >
> > Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by
> choosing between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu
> items to change one gives me a headache."
> >
> > That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams–
> MANY other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing
> anyone complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's
> thoughts made me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party
> make a "magic box" that would be completely impotent by itself, but with
> the capability to mate up to one of these small miniaturized wonders like
> the KX2 or KX3, and which would contain oodles of manual controls for
> virtually every function the parent rig is capable of providing?
> >
> > This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but
> would act as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like
> their rigs bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a
> box of switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be
> cable-fed (or wi-fied) from the little parent rig sitting behind the magic
> box. Its size would be whatever was necessary to accommodate the design and
> would resemble a normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a
> separate control for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic
> dictated, then several controls might be multi-purpose.
> >
> > Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her
> KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home
> station, it could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more
> expansive and convenient manner.
> >
> > Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one
> they might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because
> most of the engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
> >
> > Emory Schley
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 20 watt internal tuner

2017-09-26 Thread Brian Denley
Or you can use the ‘twins’ configuration of the K2/100:  with the KPA100 and 
the KAT100 in a separate EC2, you have a 100 watt rig with a 100 watt tuner.  
Unplug the K2 from the EC2 and you have a 20 watt QRP rig with a 20 watt tuner. 
 It’s that easy.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Are you planning to remove the KPA100 when doing Field work or Field Day?
> If so, then you can again put the KAT2 on the base K2.
> 
> The ATU used with the KPA100 must handle 100 or more watts, and be positioned 
> between the KPA100 and the antenna.
> 
> Even if the KPA100 did not physically displace the KAT2 and QRP top cover, it 
> could not be used with the KPA100 because it would be on the input to the 
> KPA100, and not the output.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/26/2017 6:26 PM, KM6JMR wrote:
>> I have purchased a K2/100 and was wondering if the 20 watt internal tuner
>> cover is more or less better for field work or field day.
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Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?

2017-09-26 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
There's two things I often find missing in many ham stations: (a) a good 
dummy load, (b)  an accurate external SWR/Power meter. A good DVM is 
also handy to have as well.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/26/2017 6:27 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

Whenever I'm doing anything with a powered-up rig and don't want to
transmit, I have a dummy load on the antenna port. That way the worst that
can happen is that I waste a little energy warming the dummy load.

You are my kind of Ham, Peter. I'm not bothered by choosing between a dozen
switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change one gives me
a headache. I remember a name the same way - write it down so I can remember
it in print. But if I let it float around in my gray matter "aether" it's
'pt!' - gone in minutes.

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:06 PM
To: Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?

I glued a 6.3 mm jack to the base of my Ham-Key paddle and a common cathode
double Schottky diode, that can be found in nearly any old PC power supply,
to create a straight-key input and while glueing I made a small DPDT switch
to reverse the paddles for left hand operation...
I know that can be set from the menu but the switch is much easier.

73,
Peter


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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Cruise Operation

2017-09-26 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Looks like Debbie has the answercharter the entire dang 
ship.  Seems as that's what they did with only 89 travelers.  Of course 
it will likely break your ham radio budget for the year, and then some.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/26/2017 6:24 PM, W5RDW wrote:

I found this after a Google search...

https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/carnival-cruise-lines-does-not-allow-amateur-radios.553433/page-4

"...Some information from Debbie - N5DSR Bio page.
https://www.qrz.com/db/N5DSR

We have just returned from a 7 (+1) day cruise on the Carnival Breeze out of
Galveston, Texas, January 8 through 16. The Ports of Call were Jamacia,
Grand Cayman, and Cozumel. Our arrival back in Galveston was delayed due to
fog which gave us another 24 hours of operating time!

We had a total of 89 travelers of which 59 were Amateur Radio Operators! Not
only were there many contacts, many new friends were made with great
conversations around both operating positions. We only ran 75 to 100W, but
the 'salt water amplifier' combined with the 1000' steel hull created many
pileups. Thanks to all the amateurs who worked us"




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Re: [Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

2017-09-26 Thread Byron Servies
Hi there!

Isn't this the niche the K-Pod was supposed to fill?  Fully
programmable external control with additional outputs for station
control?

73, Byron N6NUL
(sorry for the dup, Emory)

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Emory Schley  wrote:
>
> Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by 
> choosing between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items 
> to change one gives me a headache."
>
> That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY 
> other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone 
> complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made 
> me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" 
> that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate 
> up to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which 
> would contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every function the 
> parent rig is capable of providing?
>
> This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act 
> as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs 
> bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of 
> switches, buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or 
> wi-fied) from the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size 
> would be whatever was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble 
> a normal-sized base station. You could conceivably have a separate control 
> for each function the parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several 
> controls might be multi-purpose.
>
> Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her 
> KX2/KX3 as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home 
> station, it could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more 
> expansive and convenient manner.
>
> Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they 
> might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of 
> the engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
>
> Emory Schley
> N4LP
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[Elecraft] New product idea for Elecraft...?

2017-09-26 Thread Emory Schley

Ron, AC7AC, wrote, under another subject heading: "I'm not bothered by choosing 
between a dozen switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change 
one gives me a headache."
 
That pretty much sums up my attitude as well, and I've heard other hams– MANY 
other hams–  complain about menus, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone 
complain about excess knobs, buttons, dials, etc. Reading Ron's thoughts made 
me wonder out loud, why can't Elecraft or some third party make a "magic box" 
that would be completely impotent by itself, but with the capability to mate up 
to one of these small miniaturized wonders like the KX2 or KX3, and which would 
contain oodles of manual controls for virtually every function the parent rig 
is capable of providing?
 
This would NOT impact the normal functioning of the parent rig, but would act 
as an accessory for those who eschew menus and such, and who like their rigs 
bigger, bulkier and in more traditional formats. I envision a box of switches, 
buttons, knobs, perhaps even gauges that would be cable-fed (or wi-fied) from 
the little parent rig sitting behind the magic box. Its size would be whatever 
was necessary to accommodate the design and would resemble a normal-sized base 
station. You could conceivably have a separate control for each function the 
parent rig provides, or if logic dictated, then several controls might be 
multi-purpose.
 
Then an op could have the best of both worlds. He/she could use his/her KX2/KX3 
as a portable rig in the normal way, but when returned to the home station, it 
could be plugged back into the magic box to power it in a more expansive and 
convenient manner.
 
Elecraft seems to always be on the lookout for new products. Here's one they 
might be able to put on the market, up and running, quickly because most of the 
engineering has already been worked out for the parent rig.
 
Emory Schley
N4LP
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 20 watt internal tuner

2017-09-26 Thread Don Wilhelm

Are you planning to remove the KPA100 when doing Field work or Field Day?
If so, then you can again put the KAT2 on the base K2.

The ATU used with the KPA100 must handle 100 or more watts, and be 
positioned between the KPA100 and the antenna.


Even if the KPA100 did not physically displace the KAT2 and QRP top 
cover, it could not be used with the KPA100 because it would be on the 
input to the KPA100, and not the output.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/26/2017 6:26 PM, KM6JMR wrote:

I have purchased a K2/100 and was wondering if the 20 watt internal tuner
cover is more or less better for field work or field day.


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[Elecraft] My email problems

2017-09-26 Thread Don Wilhelm

I may have lost some emails over the last 2 days.
I think the problem is now resolved.

If any of you sent email to me that was not answered, please send it again.

73,
Don W3FPR
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Cruise Operation

2017-09-26 Thread Fred Jensen
This uber-complexity seems to occur in many early radio equipments, 
often the ones purchased by the government.  I've seen NDB's with two 
non-shifted xtal oscillators, one keyed on/off to achieve the same 
result.  They're the pits if the unkeyed one is the one giving you QRM 
problems on 160.  I've also seen a single oscillator, with the PA 
cathode or grid blocked keyed.  Maybe it's "more complex, more revenue."


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: "Equipments" is a valid word in the US Department of Defense dictionary.

On 9/26/2017 3:38 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
When I modified my aircraft beacon (NDB) transmitter I found two xtal 
oscillators running at about 265-KHz separated by 400-Hz they were 
keyed by a MCW keyer which shifted the frequency for dots and dashes 
and back to original frequency for non-keyed signal thus creating 
400-Hz MCW.  Aircraft radios are primarily AM so could receive MCW. 


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 20 watt internal tuner

2017-09-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Note that the internal tuner cannot co-exist with the KPA100 amp. The amp
uses the space occupied by the optional battery pack and ATU. Installing the
ATU/Battery cover with those accessories makes for a nice, one box, QRP
portable rig. It's not a huge issue to swap top covers, changing the K2/100
into a K2/10 or back again. 

Of course you don't need a heavy power supply for just 10 watts (the rated
maximum output from the K2). The difference between 10 watts and 100 watts
will be 10 dB (between 1 and 2 S-units at the receiving end). I've never
found that to be a problem, but then I'm a QRP guy, Hi! 

(Note that while some get more than 10 watts from their K2, it is NOT
recommended operating voice mode (SSB) at higher power levels to avoid
excessive distortion.)

The ATU is similar to the other Elecraft ATU's - a high-efficiency L-network
with series inductance and shunt capacitance at either the input or load
end. One caveat is that the miniature T1 ATU has somewhat restricted
matching range on 160 and 80 meters owing to the limited space inside for
the inductors required. 

73, Ron AC7AC



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Subject: [Elecraft] K2 20 watt internal tuner

I have purchased a K2/100 and was wondering if the 20 watt internal tuner
cover is more or less better for field work or field day.



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Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?

2017-09-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Whenever I'm doing anything with a powered-up rig and don't want to
transmit, I have a dummy load on the antenna port. That way the worst that
can happen is that I waste a little energy warming the dummy load. 

You are my kind of Ham, Peter. I'm not bothered by choosing between a dozen
switches but sorting through half a dozen menu items to change one gives me
a headache. I remember a name the same way - write it down so I can remember
it in print. But if I let it float around in my gray matter "aether" it's
'pt!' - gone in minutes. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?

I glued a 6.3 mm jack to the base of my Ham-Key paddle and a common cathode
double Schottky diode, that can be found in nearly any old PC power supply,
to create a straight-key input and while glueing I made a small DPDT switch
to reverse the paddles for left hand operation...
I know that can be set from the menu but the switch is much easier.

73,
Peter


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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Cruise Operation

2017-09-26 Thread W5RDW
I found this after a Google search...

https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/carnival-cruise-lines-does-not-allow-amateur-radios.553433/page-4

"...Some information from Debbie - N5DSR Bio page.
https://www.qrz.com/db/N5DSR

We have just returned from a 7 (+1) day cruise on the Carnival Breeze out of
Galveston, Texas, January 8 through 16. The Ports of Call were Jamacia,
Grand Cayman, and Cozumel. Our arrival back in Galveston was delayed due to
fog which gave us another 24 hours of operating time!

We had a total of 89 travelers of which 59 were Amateur Radio Operators! Not
only were there many contacts, many new friends were made with great
conversations around both operating positions. We only ran 75 to 100W, but
the 'salt water amplifier' combined with the 1000' steel hull created many
pileups. Thanks to all the amateurs who worked us"




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Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?

2017-09-26 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)
I glued a 6.3 mm jack to the base of my Ham-Key paddle and a common 
cathode double Schottky diode, that can be found in nearly any old PC 
power supply, to create a straight-key input and while glueing I made a 
small DPDT switch to reverse the paddles for left hand operation...

I know that can be set from the menu but the switch is much easier.

73,
Peter

Op 2017-09-26 16:49 schreef Cameron Francey:

I've not got round to doing the diodes on the lines yet to do that 
autonomously, a job for the next wet Oregon day.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Cruise Operation

2017-09-26 Thread Edward R Cole
No experience from cruise ships since I never did one.  My wife is 
diametrically opposed to taking one.  Quite a few travellers to 
Alaska come up by cruise ship.  The untold cheap alternative is 
taking the Alaska Ferry System.  Unknown if ham radio is allowed, but 
I suspect so. Only US and Canadian waters are sailed.  Advantage of 
the Ferry is that you can disembark at any stop and explore with your 
car as long as you wish and then catch the next Ferry to continue 
your trip (at no extra cost).  Many Alaskans camp on the passenger 
deck and avoid the extra cabin charge.  Ferry has a cafeteria but you 
are allowed to bring your own food.  Cheapest rate is walk-on without 
a vehicle.


I know that several members of the ARRL Experimental 500-KHz Group 
previously were ship's radio operators or land-base station 
ops.  That results in 600m early activity being CW.  FCC limited the 
modes we were permitted so most digital modes were not legal for 
us.  Subsequent experimental licensee's sought permission to use 
several digital modes which enabled them to operate with them.  We 
were restricted to only making 2-way contacts with members of our 
group and not with other licensees (definitely not with ham's).


The lead person has instructed the group to cease operating now that 
ham radio use is permitted.  I would guess you will start hearing the 
active members as hams as soon as they are approved by UTC.  I 
applied the first day.  But I still need to repair and rehang my 
inverted-L and install new synth in my K3 to be operational.


When I modified my aircraft beacon (NDB) transmitter I found two xtal 
oscillators running at about 265-KHz separated by 400-Hz they were 
keyed by a MCW keyer which shifted the frequency for dots and dashes 
and back to original frequency for non-keyed signal thus creating 
400-Hz MCW.  Aircraft radios are primarily AM so could receive MCW.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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[Elecraft] K2 20 watt internal tuner

2017-09-26 Thread KM6JMR
I have purchased a K2/100 and was wondering if the 20 watt internal tuner
cover is more or less better for field work or field day.



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[Elecraft] FS: KXV-3 Module

2017-09-26 Thread Mike Cizek W0VTT
Greetings - 

I just upgraded to the KXV-3B and would like to sell my old KXV-3.
Purchased and installed in March of 2009; KXV3-1 board is Rev B; KXV3-2
board is rev A.

Price is $100 including Priority Mail shipping in the United States.
Overseas shipping is available at buyer's expense.  Paypal to mgcizek at
gmail dot com or USPS money order.  Thank you.

N.B. - this is NOT the new KXV-3B with the second preamp.

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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Udo Langenohl - DK5YA

So do I. Sold my LPPans recently and go with my RSP2.

Larry Gauthier (K8UT):
I actually find myself preferring the

SDRplay.

-larry (K8UT)

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Re: [Elecraft] [K-Pod] Mapping Knob to K3(S) Power, RF Gain, AF Gain?

2017-09-26 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bret,

The K-Pod knob can select only the VFO A, VFO B or RIT knobs.

If you would find it any better, you can write K3 Macros to change the 
other knob settings up or down and assign the macros to the K-Pod buttons.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/25/2017 4:16 PM, MaverickNH wrote:

Can the K-Pod Knob be mapped to the little knobs on the K3(S)? One of my
problems is reaching into that 6-small knob cluster w/o tweaking neighboring
knobs. Clumsy hands!

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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Larry Gauthier (K8UT)

Dick,

I have both the SDRplay RSP1 and the LP-Pan. I have operated the SDRplay 
using the K3S Rx Ant output and its IF output. Early comparisons between 
SRDplay and LP-Pan were invalid due to a plastic case and cheap cables used 
on the SDRplay - resulting in terrible noise floor and birdies on SDRplay 
reception.


After inserting the SDRplay in a metal case, including an inline FM 
broadcast filter, and replacing cheap cables, I now find the LP-Pan and 
SDRplay performance to be nearly identical. Without lab instruments to 
overcome my subjective comparison, I actually find myself preferring the 
SDRplay.


-larry (K8UT)
-Original Message- 
From: Richard Siegmund Lindzen

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:18 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

What has been peoples' experience with using SDRPlay with Win4K3 as a 
panadapter?  How does this compare with the P3?

73, Dick WO1I
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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Tom

Hi,
Max's answer is right on the money.
If you never used a panadapter before, any of them will be a fine addition. 
Also if you are not a avid contester, the RSP1, can't be beat for the money.

73 Tom

-Original Message- 
From: M. George

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:34 PM
To: Richard Siegmund Lindzen
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

I used a SDRPlay RSP1 for awhile after using an LP-PAN2 with a
Win4K3Suite.  It didn't take me long to switch back to the LP-PAN2.  The
RSP1 was horrible in crowded band conditions like a contest or a DX
pileup... the display and noise floor would pump up and down really bad and
was very annoying.  I have been tempted to try the RSP2 which is out now
because it has band filtering...

Anyway, the LP-PAN2 setup has 30dB better filtering and the fact that you
are taking the IF out of the K3, you also get the rigs band filtering in
the mix.  If you want performance and are going to try something other than
a P3, I think the LP-PAN2 with Win4K3Suite is the best solution in my
opinion.  The SDRPLay is a very simple setup however with Win4K3Suite where
LP-PAN2 and a sound card will require more setup.

For the total turnkey setup, I suspect the P3 might be the easiest... and
the performance is going to be great too... it's just more $$$ than the
other solutions.

Big thumbs up for Win4K3 Suite however... the latest version also pumps out
a UDP feed for the new N1MM+ spectrum display too, which works very well.

Max NG7M



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What has been peoples' experience with using SDRPlay with Win4K3 as a
panadapter?  How does this compare with the P3?
73, Dick WO1I
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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Richard Siegmund Lindzen
Many thanks for the responses.  I was thinking of using SDRPlay connected to 
the K3 IF out and Win4K3.  The setup is extremely simple, but I wasn't sure 
what the downside was.
73, Dick WO1I

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From: BARRY LAZAR [mailto:k3...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:04 PM
To: m.matthew.geo...@gmail.com; Richard Siegmund Lindzen
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

Max,
 I use the rsp2. It works ok for what I do. No, it doesn't compare to my 24 
bit. 192 kHz sound card. But, there is a big difference between a 12 or 14 bit 
ADC and a 24 bit ADC. Neither lets me see really weak signals. 

 I do not use the P3. It is the only piece of Elecraft produced gear that 
doesn't fit my station architecture. And, the rsp2 can't be used to drive apps 
like CW Skimmer. I guess what I'm saying is that you need to think about what 
you are trying to build, long term, and what it takes. 

 The LP-Pan and a good sound card make a good basis for flexibility. 
However, the maximum you can display, today, is around 190 kHz. And, you may 
not be able to see deeply into the noise. 

73,
Barry
K3NDM

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From: m.matthew.geo...@gmail.com
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Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2017-09-26 1:39:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

I used a SDRPlay RSP1 for awhile after using an LP-PAN2 with a Win4K3Suite.  It 
didn't take me long to switch back to the LP-PAN2.  The
RSP1 was horrible in crowded band conditions like a contest or a DX pileup... 
the display and noise floor would pump up and down really bad and was very 
annoying.  I have been tempted to try the RSP2 which is out now because it has 
band filtering...

Anyway, the LP-PAN2 setup has 30dB better filtering and the fact that you are 
taking the IF out of the K3, you also get the rigs band filtering in the mix.  
If you want performance and are going to try something other than a P3, I think 
the LP-PAN2 with Win4K3Suite is the best solution in my opinion.  The SDRPLay 
is a very simple setup however with Win4K3Suite where
LP-PAN2 and a sound card will require more setup.

For the total turnkey setup, I suspect the P3 might be the easiest... and the 
performance is going to be great too... it's just more $$$ than the other 
solutions.

Big thumbs up for Win4K3 Suite however... the latest version also pumps out a 
UDP feed for the new N1MM+ spectrum display too, which works very well.

Max NG7M



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> What has been peoples' experience with using SDRPlay with Win4K3 as a 
> panadapter?  How does this compare with the P3?
> 73, Dick WO1I
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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread BARRY LAZAR
Max,
 I use the rsp2. It works ok for what I do. No, it doesn't compare to my 24 
bit. 192 kHz sound card. But, there is a big difference between a 12 or 14 bit 
ADC and a 24 bit ADC. Neither lets me see really weak signals. 

 I do not use the P3. It is the only piece of Elecraft produced gear that 
doesn't fit my station architecture. And, the rsp2 can't be used to drive apps 
like CW Skimmer. I guess what I'm saying is that you need to think about what 
you are trying to build, long term, and what it takes. 

 The LP-Pan and a good sound card make a good basis for flexibility. 
However, the maximum you can display, today, is around 190 kHz. And, you may 
not be able to see deeply into the noise. 

73,
Barry
K3NDM

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From: m.matthew.geo...@gmail.com
To: rlind...@mit.edu
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2017-09-26 1:39:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

I used a SDRPlay RSP1 for awhile after using an LP-PAN2 with a
Win4K3Suite.  It didn't take me long to switch back to the LP-PAN2.  The
RSP1 was horrible in crowded band conditions like a contest or a DX
pileup... the display and noise floor would pump up and down really bad and
was very annoying.  I have been tempted to try the RSP2 which is out now
because it has band filtering...

Anyway, the LP-PAN2 setup has 30dB better filtering and the fact that you
are taking the IF out of the K3, you also get the rigs band filtering in
the mix.  If you want performance and are going to try something other than
a P3, I think the LP-PAN2 with Win4K3Suite is the best solution in my
opinion.  The SDRPLay is a very simple setup however with Win4K3Suite where
LP-PAN2 and a sound card will require more setup.

For the total turnkey setup, I suspect the P3 might be the easiest... and
the performance is going to be great too... it's just more $$$ than the
other solutions.

Big thumbs up for Win4K3 Suite however... the latest version also pumps out
a UDP feed for the new N1MM+ spectrum display too, which works very well.

Max NG7M



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> panadapter?  How does this compare with the P3?
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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Harald Fritzsche
Hello Richard, All,

i am using SDRPlay with may K3 at IF-Out multiple times for a 
self-skimmer-setup during contests.
Check my qrz-page https://qrz.com/db/DD0VS.

SDR software used is SDR Console V3, since this has a skimmer interface.

There is a second option, with KXV3 option, i looped in a power splitter 
between RX ANT IN and RX ANT OUT, one out back to RX IN and one to SDRPlay.
 
I am currently playing with this.

Hope that helps
vy73
Harald
DD0VS
 

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What has been peoples' experience with using SDRPlay with Win4K3 as a 
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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread M. George
I used a SDRPlay RSP1 for awhile after using an LP-PAN2 with a
Win4K3Suite.  It didn't take me long to switch back to the LP-PAN2.  The
RSP1 was horrible in crowded band conditions like a contest or a DX
pileup... the display and noise floor would pump up and down really bad and
was very annoying.  I have been tempted to try the RSP2 which is out now
because it has band filtering...

Anyway, the LP-PAN2 setup has 30dB better filtering and the fact that you
are taking the IF out of the K3, you also get the rigs band filtering in
the mix.  If you want performance and are going to try something other than
a P3, I think the LP-PAN2 with Win4K3Suite is the best solution in my
opinion.  The SDRPLay is a very simple setup however with Win4K3Suite where
LP-PAN2 and a sound card will require more setup.

For the total turnkey setup, I suspect the P3 might be the easiest... and
the performance is going to be great too... it's just more $$$ than the
other solutions.

Big thumbs up for Win4K3 Suite however... the latest version also pumps out
a UDP feed for the new N1MM+ spectrum display too, which works very well.

Max NG7M



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Re: [Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I use it very successfully with my K3S and HDSDR software.  Makes for a nice 
2nd receiver, although it takes a separate computer to support the operation.  
The P3 is a stand alone display. I don't have a P3 thus can't say with regard 
to performance. 

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> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Richard Siegmund Lindzen  
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> What has been peoples' experience with using SDRPlay with Win4K3 as a 
> panadapter?  How does this compare with the P3?
> 73, Dick WO1I
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[Elecraft] SDRPlay as panadapter

2017-09-26 Thread Richard Siegmund Lindzen
What has been peoples' experience with using SDRPlay with Win4K3 as a 
panadapter?  How does this compare with the P3?
73, Dick WO1I
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Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?

2017-09-26 Thread Cameron Francey
Another good use for the press and hold of the Mode/VOX button each time I turn 
my K2 on is it prevents accidental transmission if I bump the key by mistake.  
(CW only OP so no Mic to deal with so I don't know off hand what effect that 
has on a mic PTT, but I'm sure a quick look of the manual will answer that)  
Its a bit like locking your cellphone to prevent accidental number dialing.

It also makes a brilliant code practice keyer in this mode and its easy to 
remember its set as the C for CW mode flashes, I have one of the programmable 
function keys set to the key input menu item too, that way its really easy to 
switch from hand key to paddle.  I've not got round to doing the diodes on the 
lines yet to do that autonomously, a job for the next wet Oregon day.


I've tried a number of different radios over time, and after building my K2/100 
with options and a KAT100 and also my K2/10 loaded with options these are the 
radios for me and it's all I use and need now.  Love them.


Regards,

Cameron - AF7DK/GM7LQR



From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
behalf of Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:17 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?


With the K2 powerknob fully CCW it still produces some 100 mW output as
it shows on the display... I made several QSO's with that setting.

The TEST option Don W3FPR suggested is imho the best solution.

72,
Peter

Op 2017-09-25 om 20:52 schreef rich hurd WC3T:
> Can you turn power to 0 watts the way you can on the KX3?That's how I
> do it.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] practicing CW on K2 without transmitting?

2017-09-26 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)


With the K2 powerknob fully CCW it still produces some 100 mW output as 
it shows on the display... I made several QSO's with that setting.


The TEST option Don W3FPR suggested is imho the best solution.

72,
Peter

Op 2017-09-25 om 20:52 schreef rich hurd WC3T:

Can you turn power to 0 watts the way you can on the KX3?That's how I
do it.


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Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer
for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40°45.68' N 75°17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*


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