Re: [Elecraft] Lulu 40% off (5% on pdf)

[Cady, Fred]

Thanks Rick,

Lulu does have a 5% discount on everything (LULUORDERS5).  I'm not sure how 
long it is good for.

Cheers,

Fred



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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 6:38 PM
To: Buck
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lulu 40% off

Unfortunately, that coupon code is only good for print books. Many of
Fred's books are e-book only. Good for Fred! Technical manuals are great as
e-books because they are searchable and "weightless." But the discount
doesn't appear to apply.

73,

/Rick N6XI


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Selling IC-7300 For Friend

[James Bennett]

Seems like the retail outlets have been dropping their prices - we had set hat 
price based on what this unit had been selling for on eBay. However, “after 
further review...” how about if we go with $1,070 - free shipping

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Steve Sergeant  wrote:
> 
> Jim:
> 
> I could almost be tempted if HRO wasn't selling them for $1,150 right
> now, with free shipping.
> 
> [ https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=71-002065 ]
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/28/17 20:40 PM, James Bennett wrote:
>> A buddy of mine recently bought himself a K3 and is ready to unload his 
>> IC-7300. He has asked me to put it up for sale for him on eBay. I’ve been 
>> selling there for 12 years with a feedback of close to 6000. However, I 
>> thought I’d see if anyone here wants it before I post it there. Perfect 
>> condition, works great, looks absolutely brand new, in original factory box, 
>> with third party programming software. $1,200 / free shipping CONUS only. 
>> Contact me off list if you are interested.
>> 
>> Jim Bennett / w6...@arrl.net
>> Folsom, CA
>> 
>> 916-337-4416
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 163, Issue 35

[Bill via Elecraft]

 Huh?  If they only called CQ and never answered a  call why would they submit 
a log that had zero contacts?  Been contesting for over 50 years and have never 
met any contester who called CQ and never answered anyone.  Care to give some 
calls of guys who do that?  Kinda curious if I know them.  Probably I don't, 
since when I called them they didn't work me and they don't post zero point 
logs in the listings.

Bill K4XS/KH7XS

There should also be people who only call CQTEST and never answer a call, if 
there call shows that log is also tossed.
>> 
>> I have not use for CW decoded qso's as a learning tool or otherwise.. off my 
>> soapbox
>> 
>> Fred Moore
>> email: f...@fmeco.com
>>   wd8...@gmail.com
>> phone: 321-217-8699

 
 
 
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[Elecraft] OT: Selling IC-7300 For Friend

[James Bennett]

A buddy of mine recently bought himself a K3 and is ready to unload his 
IC-7300. He has asked me to put it up for sale for him on eBay. I’ve been 
selling there for 12 years with a feedback of close to 6000. However, I thought 
I’d see if anyone here wants it before I post it there. Perfect condition, 
works great, looks absolutely brand new, in original factory box, with third 
party programming software. $1,200 / free shipping CONUS only. Contact me off 
list if you are interested.

Jim Bennett / w6...@arrl.net
Folsom, CA

916-337-4416
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[M. George]

Thanks for posting the videos Dick K6KR and John KK9A.  Fun to watch...
this thread just keeps going but I'm glad to see some more rounded
responses regarding contesting.  I made a couple of videos running stations
in the ARRL SS if you would like to see the perspective of a more involved
exchange.  I'm only running one radio, but you get some commentary along
with me running the stations.  You can't do any of this with a CW reader...
it's just not possible or practical for that matter.  I certainly don't
have a huge pile up calling me, but it would just never work trying to use
something that is decoding the CW.  The only thing you use is the grey
matter between your ears.  I also make several fills using the paddle as
you can see in the videos.

*Here are the videos:*

20 Meters :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTX255sEVpQ

15 Meters :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GPhl8hiGgs

Most would never put themselves out there for commentary... so here I go
anyway.  I hope someone finds the video interesting.  The setup is a 4K
desktop showing the new N1MM+ spectrum scope as fed by Win4K3Suite.  I'm
running along at a pretty good clip, but if you watch the videos, you will
see that I QRS several times based on the speed and or copy of the calling
station.

Max NG7M
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[Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[john]

CT1BOH's video shows a clearer example of 2BSIQ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42TCOtmJuEI=58s

There is some automation but it is mostly done with an incredible amount of
skill. The top ops are not using code readers or skimmers have suggested.
Sure the exchange is easy, I am not sure if anyone is using 2BSIQ in
Sweepstakes.  But just pulling out callsigns in pileups where everyone picks
on a spot and lands on the same frequency is no easy task with even one
radio.  Now imagine doing this when you're extremely sleep deprived and
running two separate stations.  Even if you do not like contesting you have
to admire the super-human talent.

73
John KK9A



Dick at elecraft.com wrote:

There's a lot of automation.  

Here's one of the best in the world at ZF2MJ, running 20 and 15 meters
simultaneously. It's kind of mind-boggling.

Dan (N6MJ) and Chris (K9LA) won WRTC in Boston, after placing quite high in
earlier WRTC efforts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ncFJZqkTA

73 de Dick, K6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Fred Moore]

Not a looser at all..   I'm quite happy to not play in the robot CW
pool.  Most of the time these roboCW guys leave their rig off, except
during the contest, so life is very good for the rest of us. 

BTW sorry I didn't consult you before I posted my comments..   I'll try
to do better in the future... I bow to your cow dung, and those who you
know, who most likely sit in the dung you fling. 

My last comment on the subject.. 

  Regards.. Fred

Fred Moore
email: f...@fmeco.com
   wd8...@gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 11/28/17 1:48 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> You're the loser on that one, Fred. While there may be guys like that,
> the vast majority of contesters are not in that category.  All the
> great contesters I know (and I know a lot of them) can pick fly specs
> out of cow dung.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 11/28/2017 6:48 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
>> I quit contesting when about 5 years ago, when I walked into the 20
>> meter CW station at field day to relieve someone, I found 5 guys who
>> could not copy any CW at all, averaging 140-150/hour one was watching CW
>> skimmer and clicking on the calls, one was sending call/599 with
>> keyboard and one was logging with another keyboard.  The other two were
>> there just in case someone got tired of typing..  All at the same time
>> they were telling jokes and drinking coffee.
>
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[Elecraft] Antenna 2

[john]

My K3S's only have one antenna port so I maybe I do not understand the
issue. Why are you grounding it?

John KK9A



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Thanks for the replies. Hadn't thought of its use for sub rx or dummy load.
I have grounded out the connector with a plug hooked directly to the
receiver grounding terminal.

Paul

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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Either put a small 50 ohm load or leave it open.  A short to ground may cause a 
PA device failure. 

Bob, K4TAX


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> On Nov 28, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Jim Rhodes  wrote:
> 
> Well if you accidentally transmit into it an open might be better than a
> short. Did you at least disable it using the utility program?
> 
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2017 16:52, "Paul Ormandy"  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the replies. Hadn't thought of its use for sub rx or dummy load.
>> I have grounded out the connector with a plug hooked directly to the
>> receiver grounding terminal.
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] IQ balance Win4K3 panadapter

[tomb18]

I think you meat to send this to me? And not the whole list? We had a number of 
support emails back and forth and I have not heard from you since my last email 
on November 5th..I have sorry that you arr having difficulty, but as many 
people will tell you, I provide hands on support, phone calls and team viewer 
sessions even during the evaluation period. So please do two things. One look 
under documentation, video tutorials, and learn how to get the signals bigger. 
Next contact me again at my support email. This is not the place for this. 73 
Tom 


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Jamie WW3S  
Date: 2017-11-28  7:19 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: 
[Elecraft] IQ balance Win4K3 panadapter 
Is there anyone available for a phone call to ehlp me adjust this to get rid of 
the image..I’ve followed the instructions as best I could, every time I do 
it, I’m getting rid of the signal, instead of the image..

I have a signal generator on 14.075
I see the signal on 14.075 and the image around 14.091
I tune the radio to 14.085, so the true signal is to the left of center, and 
the image to the right
when I try adjusting gain or phase, the only signal I can “adjust” is the main 
signal..

I think part of the problem is the peaks are so small, its hard to 
detect..really getting frustrated.
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Re: [Elecraft] Lulu 40% off

[Rick Tavan]

Unfortunately, that coupon code is only good for print books. Many of
Fred's books are e-book only. Good for Fred! Technical manuals are great as
e-books because they are searchable and "weightless." But the discount
doesn't appear to apply.

73,

/Rick N6XI


Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Buck  wrote:

> Lulu is running 40% off until Nov 30. Use code CYBER40 to pick up your
> favorite Fred Cady books.
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[Elecraft] IQ balance Win4K3 panadapter

[Jamie WW3S]

Is there anyone available for a phone call to ehlp me adjust this to get rid of 
the image..I’ve followed the instructions as best I could, every time I do 
it, I’m getting rid of the signal, instead of the image..

I have a signal generator on 14.075
I see the signal on 14.075 and the image around 14.091
I tune the radio to 14.085, so the true signal is to the left of center, and 
the image to the right
when I try adjusting gain or phase, the only signal I can “adjust” is the main 
signal..

I think part of the problem is the peaks are so small, its hard to 
detect..really getting frustrated.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Serial 6294

[Don Wilhelm]

Gerald open the manual to the Calibration section and do the Reference 
Oscillator calibration - use Method 2 for best results.
The resulting frequency may be different than the original factory 
setting (but it should be close).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/26/2017 11:36 PM, Gerald Manthey wrote:

​Hello
I am Gerald Manthey and I was trying to set my Freq Calibration because
everyone kept telling me I was off freq.

I tried as I read on the forums with 5000, 1, 15000 with regular and
alt on CW.
But I think I did something wrong. lol

I went to put it back to factory and 1. Where I wrote it down got thrown
away.
2. changed computer and did not have the recent back up config.

I was wondering if you all kept files on the radio. I realize this is a
long shot, but thought I would try. My K3 is Serial number 6294. I had it
sent in for a K3syn board upgrade.

I was able to find the very original config when the radio was brand new.
Before the upgrades so I loaded it for right now. I had to go change the
filter settings because I added the 6 since it was new.

I had to turn on Tech mode, and I looked at the REF cal it is different
from where I had set it.

Okay just wondering what you would suggest?
Thanks
Gerald Manthey - KC6CNN
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Re: [Elecraft] Lulu 40% off

[Cady, Fred]

Alan,

Sorry you are having trouble.  I've found Lulu to be very responsive and 
solving problems.  If you don't get any joy from them, send me the details and 
maybe I can help.

73,

Fred KE7X




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behalf of G4GNX 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:57 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lulu 40% off

Beware when dealing through Lulu.

I tried to order paper copies of 2 Fred Cady books, but after submitting
,ailing details and spending over $50, I was directed to downloads, which I
did not want. I downloaded one of the books because I didn't want to lose it
due to their "no refunds on ebooks" policy. The other book I already have as
a download. I've submitted a ticket to Lulu, but they've not responded after
3 days, apart from an automated acknowledgement. I hope this is as one-off
and they will put things right.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message-
From: Buck
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 5:58 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Lulu 40% off

Lulu is running 40% off until Nov 30. Use code CYBER40 to pick up your
favorite Fred Cady books.
--
Buck, k4ia
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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Jim Rhodes]

Well if you accidentally transmit into it an open might be better than a
short. Did you at least disable it using the utility program?

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Nov 28, 2017 16:52, "Paul Ormandy"  wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. Hadn't thought of its use for sub rx or dummy load.
> I have grounded out the connector with a plug hooked directly to the
> receiver grounding terminal.
>
> Paul
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[Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Paul Ormandy]

Thanks for the replies. Hadn't thought of its use for sub rx or dummy load.
I have grounded out the connector with a plug hooked directly to the
receiver grounding terminal.

Paul
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[Elecraft] Contests

[Bill via Elecraft]

Rude behavior is the norm in contests?  Operated over 30 hours, made over 2500 
QSOs and didn't find one rude op.  What some of you guys consider rude 
operating is just "trading paint" in racing circles.


If you think "just getting an automatic 599" is the only challenging thing 
about contesting, you don't contest.  I can think of at least a half dozen 
things that are necessary:


1. Try keeping your butt in the chair for hours on end.
2.  Know the propagation well enough to know when to point the beam for that 
zone 23 opening.
3.  Able to copy a weak one through heavy QRM.
4.  Know when to run and when to S/P
5.  Have the skill to set up an ergonomic station
6.  Know where and when to be on certain band depending on prop and band 
conditions.
7.  Being able to do SO2R


Try knocking off 10,000 CW QSOs in 48 hours.  Better yet, try 5000 CW QSOs and 
then tell me how easy it is.  I've been contesting for years and haven't done 
it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 clock & battery. (Was KX3 clock will not set from KX3 utility)

[Mark via Elecraft]

Re:  "...even with 24/7 external power (13.5V) when the rig is "Off", it will 
drain the internal batteries down to near zero!"

One problem is that you now have damaged cells since they have been discharged 
to below 1 volt per cell.  I suggest you stop trying to troubleshoot your radio 
with damaged cells.  

Install a fresh set of low self discharge (LSD) cells and watch voltage daily 
until you have confidence that the voltage is staying constant.  I recommend 
Eneloops since mine have worked so well since I installed them in early 2013.  
The voltage should remain constant for months once it has dropped to 1.2v per 
cell (1.2 x 8 = 9.6v).

Sometimes my KX3 sits in my go pack with no external power for months.  Other 
times it sits on the desk connected to a 13.8v supply.  With Eneloops 
installed, I have not seen the discharge rates you have.

I did experience similar discharge rates once when I tried a set of Energizer 
cells.  They were not LSD, however.  I quickly took them out and reinstalled 
the Eneloops.

In response to your original question concerning clock (KXBC3) power source:
I haven't looked at the schematic for a long time, but as I recall, the radio, 
including the KXBC3, are powered by the higher of the internal battery or 
external power voltages.  The radio portion is turned on and off by a MOSFET, 
but the KXBC3 is tapped off upstream (closer to the battery/power plug), so it 
can continue operation after radio shutdown.  This suggests that if your KX3 
has external power applied and the battery is discharging, it is MOST LIKELY 
due to cell self discharge and NOT the radio or charger.  So do yourself a 
favor and install a new set of LSD cells.

Mark,
KE6BB

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[Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Rose]

I have my Antenna 2 jack permanently connected to
the input of my K3 2nd receiver, which normally is
parked on 6M.

The Antenna 2 jack is permanently connected to a 6M
vertical, allowing me to be aware of any 6M openings
while going about the my usual HF operatings.

FWIW ...

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Gary Smith]

I think he was asking what Don answered 
to.

Gary
KA1J

> 
> That doesn't explain how he expects the rig to short out the port for
> Ant 2 . .. WHEN IT HAS BEEN SELECTED ... just because there is no
> actual antenna connected to it.  I don't get the reasoning behind the
> original query.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> On 11/28/2017 7:04 AM, K9ZTV wrote:
> > We hook dummy loads to ANT 2 on all our K3s during FD to prevent
> > inadvertent transmissions when no antenna is connected to it.  The
> > ATU TUNE button is immediately above the ANT button and
> > fat-fingered/far-sighted ops unfamiliar with the K3 have been known
> > to hit the wrong one, especially on the higher bands where the noise
> > floor makes it difficult to detect the absence of an antenna.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Kent  K9ZTV
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 28, 2017, at 7:40 AM, David Gilbert
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> If you selected Ant 2 it wouldn't have been "unused".   How is the
> >> rig supposed to know you don't have anything physically connected
> >> to that port?
> >>
> >> Dave   AB7E
> >
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Gary Smith]

Another thing about hearing and knowing 
the code is the errors you get if you use 
the calls posted to log. I usually don't 
go "assisted" but did this contest because 
I wasn't in it to compete but to give Q's 
to those in competition and I was on a 
time constraint.

One call, I don't remember which it was 
was spotted in N1MM with a final suffix as 
"T" but whoever posted it was incorrect, 
it was a "N". The guy was sending pretty 
quickly, about 40 WPM and it was easy to 
miss but if I hadn't been listening to 
every letter and relied on the spot or the 
K3s reader, I wouldn't have gotten it & 
they were too faint (I think) for the CW 
reader to pick up well. Don't know, wasn't 
using it.

That said, I'd rather have someone wanting 
to know CW use the reader than not 
participate in the contest because they 
still haven't become truly skilled at 
copying overly fast CW in a contest. As 
long as they're stressed enough to be in 
it, they will get better to where they 
don't need it. It's a crutch but sometimes 
we need to use crutches in life.

My 2 pence.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Absolutely correct.  Successful contest operators rely almost entirely
> on their CW ability other than the use of the programmed messages.
> 
> I just saw another post about not sending over 30 wpm to have better
> rate,  TI7W was sending much faster had a rate of about 210 per hour
> for the entire 48 hour contest.  I did hear him slower as well but
> mostly was a lot faster.  ZF2MJ was in the same mode as well. 73
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Brown" 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:00:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder
> 
> On 11/27/2017 4:52 PM, Jim Cassidy wrote:
> > Just when did the totally incorrect fact that the high speed contest
> > operators are using CW decoders get started??  NO truth to that at
> > all
> 
> You're absolutely right, Jim. It's those beginning CW ops who don't
> know CW, or haven't developed their copying ability to contesting
> speeds, or who don't feel confident about their copying ability, who
> are using code readers.
> 
> Most serious contesters, including me, let their logging program SEND
> repetitive things. Some great contest operators still send a lot with
> a paddle, but let the computer call CQ. And some ops send a lot more
> with the paddle than they should. :) I used to have a pretty good
> fist, but it's declined with age. So when we let the computer send for
> us, we're doing others a favor by producing cleaner, well-spaced,
> error-free CW that makes easier copy for both their brains and their
> readers.
> 
> As a founding member of CWOPS, I'm proud of our members who have done
> such a great job developing and executing a mentoring program for hams
> who want to learn CW and build their skills.
> 
> 73,Jim K9YC
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Michael Eberle]

I believe he is actually operating into an antenna on Ant1 port. He 
switched to Ant2 to check the port isolation and would obviously switch 
back to Ant1 to operate.  I doubt grounding the non-selected antenna 
port would make any difference on TX and some use both ports for 
diversity RX.  If protecting the radio is the concern then I believe as 
Kent stated, the dummy load would be the best option.


Mike  KI0HA


On 11/28/2017 12:01, David Gilbert wrote:


That doesn't explain how he expects the rig to short out the port for 
Ant 2 . .. WHEN IT HAS BEEN SELECTED ... just because there is no 
actual antenna connected to it.  I don't get the reasoning behind the 
original query.


Dave   AB7E


On 11/28/2017 7:04 AM, K9ZTV wrote:
We hook dummy loads to ANT 2 on all our K3s during FD to prevent 
inadvertent transmissions when no antenna is connected to it.  The 
ATU TUNE button is immediately above the ANT button and 
fat-fingered/far-sighted ops unfamiliar with the K3 have been known 
to hit the wrong one, especially on the higher bands where the noise 
floor makes it difficult to detect the absence of an antenna.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On Nov 28, 2017, at 7:40 AM, David Gilbert 
 wrote:



If you selected Ant 2 it wouldn't have been "unused".   How is the 
rig supposed to know you don't have anything physically connected to 
that port?


Dave   AB7E




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Re: [Elecraft] Lulu 40% off

[G4GNX]

Beware when dealing through Lulu.

I tried to order paper copies of 2 Fred Cady books, but after submitting 
,ailing details and spending over $50, I was directed to downloads, which I 
did not want. I downloaded one of the books because I didn't want to lose it 
due to their "no refunds on ebooks" policy. The other book I already have as 
a download. I've submitted a ticket to Lulu, but they've not responded after 
3 days, apart from an automated acknowledgement. I hope this is as one-off 
and they will put things right.


73,

Alan. G4GNX

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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Jim Brown]

You're the loser on that one, Fred. While there may be guys like that, 
the vast majority of contesters are not in that category.  All the great 
contesters I know (and I know a lot of them) can pick fly specs out of 
cow dung.


73, Jim K9YC

On 11/28/2017 6:48 AM, Fred Moore wrote:

I quit contesting when about 5 years ago, when I walked into the 20
meter CW station at field day to relieve someone, I found 5 guys who
could not copy any CW at all, averaging 140-150/hour one was watching CW
skimmer and clicking on the calls, one was sending call/599 with
keyboard and one was logging with another keyboard.  The other two were
there just in case someone got tired of typing..  All at the same time
they were telling jokes and drinking coffee.



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] CQ WW CW report (pedestrian mobile with 4' whip)

[Dean L]

Wayne es all,
Wasn't able to get out Pedestrian Mobile like Wayne did, but he did inspire
me to fire up the kx-3 @900mils to my low loop and whack a few zones and
countries via s+p. It's amazing how the ether comes alive, and make
contacts thousands of miles away on hardly enough power to light an L.E.D
flashlight.

.72 all
Dean K2WW

PS: PLUS it snowed 3 inches over the weekend, i would have been tripping
over the counterpoise...hi


On Nov 27, 2017 12:23 PM, "Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com [KX3]" <
kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> CQ WW CW is one of my favorite “sporting events” of the year. This year I
> tried something different, operating for about half an hour using the KX2
> hand-held, at 10 W output, with a whip. Band conditions weren’t great, but
> I made about 20 contacts total using 15 and 20 meters, including quite a
> bit of DX (JA, YW, XF, KH, VY1). Couldn’t quite get Tonga (A31).
>
> One thing that really helped was the rig’s dual watch feature. I was able
> to leave VFO A parked on a DX station that required “a few” calls to get
> through while tuning around with VFO B to find subsequent stations to call.
>
> On top of that it was a beautiful day. I felt a bit sorry for all the guys
> who were stuck inside, even if they did have the edge with their KW+
> stations and rotating towers :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[K9MA]

On 11/28/2017 07:16, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote:

A good CW contest op will adjust speed to the conditions. It’s a bit like 
tennis, with the point being to keep a rally going, not to demolish the other 
guy.


One big difference between contesting and other competitive events is 
that the competitors have to cooperate with each other, so demolishing 
the other guy is completely counterproductive.


73,

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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[David Gilbert]

That doesn't explain how he expects the rig to short out the port for 
Ant 2 . .. WHEN IT HAS BEEN SELECTED ... just because there is no actual 
antenna connected to it.  I don't get the reasoning behind the original 
query.


Dave   AB7E


On 11/28/2017 7:04 AM, K9ZTV wrote:

We hook dummy loads to ANT 2 on all our K3s during FD to prevent inadvertent 
transmissions when no antenna is connected to it.  The ATU TUNE button is 
immediately above the ANT button and fat-fingered/far-sighted ops unfamiliar 
with the K3 have been known to hit the wrong one, especially on the higher 
bands where the noise floor makes it difficult to detect the absence of an 
antenna.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV




On Nov 28, 2017, at 7:40 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:


If you selected Ant 2 it wouldn't have been "unused".   How is the rig supposed 
to know you don't have anything physically connected to that port?

Dave   AB7E




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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Jim Stahl via Elecraft]

Would you quit contesting if you walked into the 20 meter RTTY tent at Field 
Day and saw the same thing?  And BTW, 140/hr on Field Day CW ain’t going to 
happen even running a great pileup. FD ops just aren’t as fast as European QRQ 
ops in CQWW or the like, and tuning around (however it is done) is never going 
to be as fast as having guys lined up to work you.

When I describe contesting to non-ham friends I invoke a relatively recent ad 
campaign: It’s like finding a guy to say “Do you hear me now?” to which he 
responds “Yes, I hear you, do you hear me?” to which I respond “Yes, now is 
there anybody else out there who hears me?”

No, it’s not exchanging non-trivial information, and it’s not person to person 
chatting. It may not be one’s preferred cup of tea. But it’s not crazy.


73  -  Jim  K8MR





> On Nov 28, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Fred Moore  wrote:
> 
> I quit contesting when about 5 years ago, when I walked into the 20
> meter CW station at field day to relieve someone, I found 5 guys who
> could not copy any CW at all, averaging 140-150/hour one was watching CW
> skimmer and clicking on the calls, one was sending call/599 with
> keyboard and one was logging with another keyboard.  The other two were
> there just in case someone got tired of typing..  All at the same time
> they were telling jokes and drinking coffee.
> 
> I'm out of here says I, I still work FD, but refuse to work a CW
> contest, yes 30 meters is your friend on contest weekends
> 
> Fred Moore
> email: f...@fmeco.com
>   wd8...@gmail.com
> phone: 321-217-8699
> 
> On 11/27/17 10:30 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> I certainly sympathize with your feelings Fred. I too quit contesting when 
>> all RSTs were 5NN and rude behavior became acceptable. That was a long, long 
>> time ago. 
>> 
>> I just segue to 30 meters or QRT until the mayhem is over and I can have a 
>> real QSO with someone. 
>> 
>> Operating is, for me, a form of meditation that reduces stress. The hand 
>> that reaches for my key has gotten a lot older over the past 65 years of 
>> pounding brass but the effect on me is still the same.  I choose to keep it 
>> that way.  
>> 
>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Moore
>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:09 PM
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder
>> 
>> CW skimmer can copy almost anything.  I will not play in their sand box... 
>> 
>> I think we need a good contest where each ham sends an actual RST he copes, 
>> and a personally designed 3 alpha numeric check sum.  The check sum get 
>> published when he/she turns in their log.  The logs get computer compared 
>> any call where RST and Checksum that is copied correctly during the exchange 
>> gets 5 points anyone that is incorrect looses 100 points for that QSO.  The 
>> contest sponsor should be putting out false calls and frequencies on the 
>> frequency spotter list, if any of those calls show up on any list the whole 
>> log gets tossed and their name published as a cheat..  There should also be 
>> people who only call CQTEST and never answer a call, if there call shows 
>> that log is also tossed.
>> 
>> I have not use for CW decoded qso's as a learning tool or otherwise.. off my 
>> soapbox
>> 
>> Fred Moore
>> email: f...@fmeco.com
>>   wd8...@gmail.com
>> phone: 321-217-8699
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3 Decoder

[Alan]

On 11/28/2017 02:54 AM, Chester Alderman wrote:

> CW and QRQ is just another FUN part of our hobby and
> it is not done to impress anyone!

Years ago, W1AW operator Chuck Bender W1WPR (SK) told me a story about 
trying to copy a QRQ conversation one night and not quite getting it. 
So he recorded it on a reel-to-reel tape recorder and played it back at 
half speed.


He said during the entire QSO neither operator ever got the other 
station's callsign correct.  :=)


Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[KENT TRIMBLE]

We hook dummy loads to ANT 2 on all our K3s during FD to prevent 
inadvertent transmissions when no antenna is connected to it.


The ATU TUNE button is immediately above the ANT button and 
fat-fingered/far-sighted ops unfamiliar with the K3 have been known to 
hit the wrong one, especially on the higher bands where the noise floor 
sometimes makes it difficult to detect the absence of an antenna.


73,

Kent   K9ZTV
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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Walter Underwood]

I keep my dummy load connected to ANT 2 on my KXPA100. Might as well have it 
connected somewhere.

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> On Nov 28, 2017, at 6:22 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> There is some stray coupling between ANT1 and ANT2, but no direct path.
> The unused antenna is not grounded.  One reason is that it can be used to 
> feed the subRX AUX ANT input when using diversity.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 11/28/2017 2:36 AM, Paul Ormandy wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> When messing around today with antennas, I had my aerial connected only 
>> to
>> Ant 1 and discovered that when selected, Ant 2 was capable of receiving
>> signals with no antenna connected to it, albeit at a much reduced 
>> signal. I would have thought the unused
>> port would have been earthed out??
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Fred Moore]

I quit contesting when about 5 years ago, when I walked into the 20
meter CW station at field day to relieve someone, I found 5 guys who
could not copy any CW at all, averaging 140-150/hour one was watching CW
skimmer and clicking on the calls, one was sending call/599 with
keyboard and one was logging with another keyboard.  The other two were
there just in case someone got tired of typing..  All at the same time
they were telling jokes and drinking coffee.

I'm out of here says I, I still work FD, but refuse to work a CW
contest, yes 30 meters is your friend on contest weekends

Fred Moore
email: f...@fmeco.com
   wd8...@gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 11/27/17 10:30 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> I certainly sympathize with your feelings Fred. I too quit contesting when 
> all RSTs were 5NN and rude behavior became acceptable. That was a long, long 
> time ago. 
>
> I just segue to 30 meters or QRT until the mayhem is over and I can have a 
> real QSO with someone. 
>
> Operating is, for me, a form of meditation that reduces stress. The hand that 
> reaches for my key has gotten a lot older over the past 65 years of pounding 
> brass but the effect on me is still the same.  I choose to keep it that way.  
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Moore
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:09 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder
>
> CW skimmer can copy almost anything.  I will not play in their sand box... 
>
> I think we need a good contest where each ham sends an actual RST he copes, 
> and a personally designed 3 alpha numeric check sum.  The check sum get 
> published when he/she turns in their log.  The logs get computer compared any 
> call where RST and Checksum that is copied correctly during the exchange gets 
> 5 points anyone that is incorrect looses 100 points for that QSO.  The 
> contest sponsor should be putting out false calls and frequencies on the 
> frequency spotter list, if any of those calls show up on any list the whole 
> log gets tossed and their name published as a cheat..  There should also be 
> people who only call CQTEST and never answer a call, if there call shows that 
> log is also tossed.
>
> I have not use for CW decoded qso's as a learning tool or otherwise.. off my 
> soapbox
>
> Fred Moore
> email: f...@fmeco.com
>wd8...@gmail.com
> phone: 321-217-8699
>


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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Don Wilhelm]

Paul,

There is some stray coupling between ANT1 and ANT2, but no direct path.
The unused antenna is not grounded.  One reason is that it can be used 
to feed the subRX AUX ANT input when using diversity.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/28/2017 2:36 AM, Paul Ormandy wrote:

Hi all,

     When messing around today with antennas, I had my aerial connected 
only to
     Ant 1 and discovered that when selected, Ant 2 was capable of 
receiving
     signals with no antenna connected to it, albeit at a much reduced 
signal. I would have thought the unused

     port would have been earthed out??

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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[Bob N3MNT]

If you do not have anything on Ant 2 I suggest using the config utility to
disable Ant 2 for now.  This will prevent accidentally selecting Ant 2 and
trying to transmit.  



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Re: [Elecraft] Antenna 2

[David Gilbert]

If you selected Ant 2 it wouldn't have been "unused".   How is the rig 
supposed to know you don't have anything physically connected to that port?


Dave   AB7E


On 11/28/2017 12:36 AM, Paul Ormandy wrote:

Hi all,

    When messing around today with antennas, I had my aerial connected 
only to
    Ant 1 and discovered that when selected, Ant 2 was capable of 
receiving
    signals with no antenna connected to it, albeit at a much reduced 
signal. I would have thought the unused

    port would have been earthed out??
    Paul



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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Jim Stahl via Elecraft]

A good CW contest op will adjust speed to the conditions. It’s a bit like 
tennis, with the point being to keep a rally going, not to demolish the other 
guy. The other guy hits me a hard one, it’s a lot more satisfying to hit a hard 
one back. A less skilled player hits me a soft one, I’m not going to try to 
prove to him how hard I can hit it back. Rather I’ll hit it back at a pace 
appropriate for his skill level.

If I’m tuning and hear a high speed guy (I’m one myself) I’ll make a point to 
work him. For if I don’t get through immediately, I won’t have to wait long for 
a second chance.

TI7W and ZF2MJ weren’t running those awesome rates just because they were 
sending faster than the others. They were using (effectively) two radios at a 
time, interleaving QSOs on two different bands. That’s a skill beyond my pay 
grade.


73  -  Jim   K8MR



> On Nov 28, 2017, at 2:38 AM, Jim Cassidy  wrote:
> 
> Absolutely correct.  Successful contest operators rely almost entirely on 
> their CW ability other than the use of the programmed messages.
> 
> I just saw another post about not sending over 30 wpm to have better rate,  
> TI7W was sending much faster had a rate of about 210 per hour for the entire 
> 48 hour contest.  I did hear him slower as well but mostly was a lot faster.  
> ZF2MJ was in the same mode as well.
> 73
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Brown" 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:00:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder
> 
> On 11/27/2017 4:52 PM, Jim Cassidy wrote:
>> Just when did the totally incorrect fact that the high speed contest 
>> operators are using CW decoders get started??  NO truth to that at all
> 
> You're absolutely right, Jim. It's those beginning CW ops who don't know 
> CW, or haven't developed their copying ability to contesting speeds, or 
> who don't feel confident about their copying ability, who are using code 
> readers.
> 
> Most serious contesters, including me, let their logging program SEND 
> repetitive things. Some great contest operators still send a lot with a 
> paddle, but let the computer call CQ. And some ops send a lot more with 
> the paddle than they should. :) I used to have a pretty good fist, but 
> it's declined with age. So when we let the computer send for us, we're 
> doing others a favor by producing cleaner, well-spaced, error-free CW 
> that makes easier copy for both their brains and their readers.
> 
> As a founding member of CWOPS, I'm proud of our members who have done 
> such a great job developing and executing a mentoring program for hams 
> who want to learn CW and build their skills.
> 
> 73,Jim K9YC
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] CQ WW CW report (pedestrian mobile with 4' whip)

[Barry]

Wayne,

In case you weren't aware, Dual Watch is a term Trademarked by Yaesu.  Next
thing ya know, you'll be saying SuperBowl.  :-)

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Charlie T]

"In order to keep the robots from getting perfect copy on me either rag
chewing or the very few contests I enter, I've stopped using a keyer and
have reverted to sending with a bug.  Not very many robots can copy even a
good bug fist. " 

Is "bug sending" different from the Morse standard of 3:1 dot/dash ratio?
It would seem to me that properly sent Morse would sound the same regardless
if it was sent touching two wires together or by keyboard.

I must be missing something here.

Charlie k3ICH



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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder

[Doug Turnbull]

Gentlemen and Ladies,
 Calm down we enjoy a wonderful technological hobby.I am a CW rag
chewer but like the F1 button to send CQ in a contest and F2 to send the
report.   It saves my wrist.   Copy is by my ears though the K3 decoder is
there it will not cope with pileups so you use your ears.

 My new car has adaptive cruise control, lane assist and blind spot
monitoring - great the car is a bit safer!Technology is what our hobby
is about; FT8 and all.There are many rooms in the masters house.

 Enjoy and keep pounding the brass.

  73 Doug EI2CN

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of EUGENE GABRY
Sent: 27 November 2017 22:54
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder


> On November 27, 2017 at 2:39 PM Fred Moore wrote:
> 
>  CW contests have
> become a machine contest not a Ham contest...
> 


This is something I fight personally when I decide to enter a CW contest.
Technology is great, it has allowed those who are either not proficient at
CW or can't even copy CW, to be able to communicate.

I've always thought the focus of a "conTEST", whether CW or SSB was to test
the capabilities of the "operator" to accurately receive the information
sent, making as many contacts in the time period of the contest as possible.
Scores determined in part, by busted calls or other information copied
incorrectly, and then scoring against their peers. 


Today there are a lot of (Robots) that can decode CW. It is true that all
robots are not the same, and errors could occur. Just wonder when we draw
the line as to who/what is being judged for accuracy.  


I love the technology. It's great for communications. (I think you know
where I stand on robotic modes like FT8 :) )

But in a contest, "these days" it seems to come down to who has the best
robotics (machines) to eliminate the human element for the sake of driving
up the score to new levels.


73 Gene

N9TF  
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3 Decoder

[ww3s]

If you make more than a few contacts, please send your log in, it helps in the 
log checking process…. you can always mark it a check log 






Sent from my Windows tablet





From: Dauer, Edward
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎November‎ ‎27‎, ‎2017 ‎10‎:‎05‎ ‎PM
To: Dennis W0JX via Elecraft





Same here.  I am an avid contester; but since the one time I did a clean sweep 
in the SS a lifetime ago, I haven’t sent in a single log to a contest sponsor.  
For me, the competition is me – can I do a one weekend WAS, or closer to a 
clean sweep than I did last year?  (Did that a couple of times, but not 
lately.)  Can I do a one weekend DXCC? (never did, but I might someday.)  Can I 
make my station, and my antenna farm (in truth, more like a window planter than 
a farm) more effective and easier to operate this year than last?  Can I get my 
code proficiency up to the point that I can QSO faster than I can type?  (Yup, 
done that.)  Can I integrate new equipment and gadgets just to see if they 
help?  Can I get Nebraska on ten meter CW which I have been chasing 
unsuccessfully for a 5BWAS for almost ten years?  (If I had ever done that I 
wouldn’t have mentioned it.)

Using a decoder would be contrary to what I am trying to do.  Likewise, relying 
on spotting, working lists, renting other peoples’ stations, running full 
illegal power, etc.

I don’t mean to disparage what anyone else does.  I mean only to say that 
contesting can be great fun despite what others are doing for their fun.

With one exception.  I would like to personally pour a beer on the head of 
operators (many of them DX) who program their memory keyers to send just their 
call at utterly incomprehensible speeds although every other part of the 
exchange is at 30 – 35 or so.  I waste a lot of time just trying to figure out 
who and what they are; and never has one responded well to a polite request to 
QRS. 

Ted, KN1CBR

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:51:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Hisashi T Fujinaka 
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I view contests as "an easy way to work DX" for me. I'm on a city lot
that's getting noisier and noisier and CQWW is a good time to find a lot
of DX stations all on the air and willing to make a contact with this
guy with 100W into a vertical.

Not that I got on this year for either contest. :)

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> I have refrained from working ANY and ALL contests for several years. 
> For that and other reasons.   I view contests today in the same class as 
> "road rage".
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
 

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Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3 Decoder

[Chester Alderman]

When I contest, I normally send between 30 to 34 wpm and believe sending any 
faster really drops one's rate. However, many years ago when I got interested 
in QRQ, I had to use a code reader to get myself over the 55 wpm 'hump'. The 
'hump' is where you have to re-learn how to copy code; and as I call it, you 
have to get into the 'flow' of the conversation. About 20 years ago, there were 
maybe 15 to 20 hams, nationwide, who were doing QRQ QSO's and they were pretty 
active, but they all could copy around 100 wpm. And with their really great 
sense of humor, made QRQ seriously fun part of the hobby. But NO, none of those 
folks ever did QRQ to 'impress anyone'; they only did it for the pure fun of it!

CW and QRQ is just another FUN part of our hobby and it is not done to impress 
anyone!

73 and Merry Christmas,

Tom - W4BQF - #149



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of F5vjc
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:26 AM
To: Dauer, Edward
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3 Decoder

Very well stated Ted.

Contesters who send at ridiculous speeds, futile, impresses no one. 30WPM is 
reasonable, but in excess, you think it improves your rate?

73 F5VJC

On 28 November 2017 at 04:05, Dauer, Edward  wrote:

> Same here.  I am an avid contester; but since the one time I did a 
> clean sweep in the SS a lifetime ago, I haven’t sent in a single log 
> to a contest sponsor.  For me, the competition is me – can I do a one 
> weekend WAS, or closer to a clean sweep than I did last year?  (Did 
> that a couple of times, but not lately.)  Can I do a one weekend DXCC? 
> (never did, but I might
> someday.)  Can I make my station, and my antenna farm (in truth, more 
> like a window planter than a farm) more effective and easier to 
> operate this year than last?  Can I get my code proficiency up to the 
> point that I can QSO faster than I can type?  (Yup, done that.)  Can I 
> integrate new equipment and gadgets just to see if they help?  Can I 
> get Nebraska on ten meter CW which I have been chasing unsuccessfully 
> for a 5BWAS for almost ten years?  (If I had ever done that I wouldn’t 
> have mentioned it.)
>
> Using a decoder would be contrary to what I am trying to do.  
> Likewise, relying on spotting, working lists, renting other peoples’ 
> stations, running full illegal power, etc.
>
> I don’t mean to disparage what anyone else does.  I mean only to say 
> that contesting can be great fun despite what others are doing for their fun.
>
> With one exception.  I would like to personally pour a beer on the 
> head of operators (many of them DX) who program their memory keyers to 
> send just their call at utterly incomprehensible speeds although every 
> other part of the exchange is at 30 – 35 or so.  I waste a lot of time 
> just trying to figure out who and what they are; and never has one 
> responded well to a polite request to QRS.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
> --
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:51:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: Hisashi T Fujinaka 
> To: Bob McGraw K4TAX 
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Contest and Elecraft K3s decoder
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> I view contests as "an easy way to work DX" for me. I'm on a city lot
> that's getting noisier and noisier and CQWW is a good time to find 
> a lot
> of DX stations all on the air and willing to make a contact with this
> guy with 100W into a vertical.
>
> Not that I got on this year for either contest. :)
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
> > I have refrained from working ANY and ALL contests for several years.
> > For that and other reasons.   I view contests today in the same
> class as
> > "road rage".
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Removing KDSP2 and reinstalling KAF2

[DaveVK]

Thankyou Don and thankyou for aligning my K2 several years ago.  I hope you
are well.

73 
Dave
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