Re: [Elecraft] Location of VFO B on the K4

2019-05-26 Thread Rick Tavan
You might try my approach - I have a shelf supported by 2x4's on which my
K3 sits. The radio, with its bail extended, points directly at my eyes, the
perfect viewing angle. I put a large monitor on the shelf between two K3's
and a laptop on the desk in front of the monitor, giving me lots of screen
real estate. The K4 will work similarly. The space under the shelf protects
paddles, switch boxes, USB hubs, and other small accessories. The shelf can
be 1' wide book shelving or custom-cut press-board or plywood to place the
rig(s) at an angle, pointing "in" toward the op. Easy-peasy, inexpensive,
customizable and, IMHO, ideal.

73,

/Rick N6XI
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Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 3:56 PM Jim - N4ST  wrote:

> In the olden days of radio, I think even the main VFO on those big rigs was
> further off the desk than VFO B is on the K4.
> I know they were when I put the rig on an inclined platform so that the
> front panel was facing me better.
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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Gary K9GS

 Original message From: Bob McGraw K4TAX  
Date: 5/26/19  9:30 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: 
[Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions? Heck, I know of folks 
that will go to one of the "big box hardware stores" buy a pressure washer or 
paint sprayer, do the job they need, take it back as being defective and get 
their money back.  Do check the return policy however.   On the other hand, it 
sure beats buying or renting a piece of seldom used equipment. Of course we as 
customers pay for this activity under the heading of "shrinkage".73Bob, 
K4TAX__That's pretty dishonest Bob.  It's one thing to 
purchase a product and find out it's not suitable (RFI).To buy something, use 
it, and then return it hurts us all.  The big box stores force manufacturers to 
take these back and since they're used, they can't be sold as new and are 
written off.  We all pay for that.I would get some new friends.73,Gary 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3S VFO B Knob

2019-05-26 Thread Rick Tavan
I don't know about wrapping the on-panel VFO B knob but since I got a K*Pod
I rarely touch it. I was skeptical about the K*Pod when it first came out,
but now that I finally have one, it seems indispensable. It sits right next
to the keyboard and I use it constantly. For contest running, it's usually
set to RIT. For search and pounce, it's usually on VFO A. For SO2V it's
usually on VFO B. For ragchewing it's on VFO A until I get an off-freq
caller when I switch it to RIT. Smooth!

73,

/Rick N6XI
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On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 5:51 PM Rich  wrote:

> I have done some searching to no avail.   Is there a rubber cover for
> the VFO B knob on K3/s radios?
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Re: [Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved

2019-05-26 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)

John,
That implies that all the noise is coming from the PS!  I has always 
assumed that most of the noise was from the monitor itself!


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On 5/26/19 8:34 PM, John K9UWA wrote:

I intentionally purchased a pair of 28" LG Monitors for the ham shack that
had 19 volt wall warts. I knew I would have no problem replacing them with a
linear power supply. A nice big heavy Lamda 10 amp 0 to 20 volt supply
solved the problems.
John k9uwa



The 28" monitor cost $169.00 about two years ago, and uses a 19V wall wart
supply. I bought it for some 3d CAD design work. I think it produces about 2-3
S-units of noise. Maybe when I get some time, I'll try to fix it, but for now,
it will be fine for non-radio uses.

So, I guess you get what you pay for!

73, Jim KO5V


John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF
Antique Radio Restorations
k9...@arrl.net
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Leo, IN 46765
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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)

That is how I buy potentially noisy items as well...

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On 5/26/19 7:30 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
I know it is really aggravating but many places offer a reasonable 
return policy.  If they don't, I won't buy. So..l'd buy one, take it 
home, use it for a few days, if it is noisy or doesn't do what you 
wish..take it back for a refund.   Do watch for "in store credit" on 
some merchandise.


Heck, I know of folks that will go to one of the "big box hardware 
stores" buy a pressure washer or paint sprayer, do the job they need, 
take it back as being defective and get their money back.  Do check the 
return policy however.   On the other hand, it sure beats buying or 
renting a piece of seldom used equipment. Of course we as customers pay 
for this activity under the heading of "shrinkage".


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 5/26/2019 7:53 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote:
I wish there was a list somewhere of monitors that are currently in 
production and easily purchasable that are known to be quiet on the RF 
front. I've used the remediation suggestions offered in this thread, 
and have found them to help but not cure the symptoms I see. Buying 
and trying monitors seems like it could be a very involved process.


Frank k6fod


On 5/26/19 1:39 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:

Maybe now I can make some headway - or buy a new monitor...


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Re: [Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved

2019-05-26 Thread John K9UWA
I intentionally purchased a pair of 28" LG Monitors for the ham shack that 
had 19 volt wall warts. I knew I would have no problem replacing them with a 
linear power supply. A nice big heavy Lamda 10 amp 0 to 20 volt supply 
solved the problems. 
John k9uwa


> The 28" monitor cost $169.00 about two years ago, and uses a 19V wall wart
> supply. I bought it for some 3d CAD design work. I think it produces about 2-3
> S-units of noise. Maybe when I get some time, I'll try to fix it, but for now,
> it will be fine for non-radio uses.
> 
> So, I guess you get what you pay for!
> 
> 73, Jim KO5V

John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF 
Antique Radio Restorations
k9...@arrl.net
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4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I know it is really aggravating but many places offer a reasonable 
return policy.  If they don't, I won't buy. So..l'd buy one, take it 
home, use it for a few days, if it is noisy or doesn't do what you 
wish..take it back for a refund.   Do watch for "in store credit" on 
some merchandise.


Heck, I know of folks that will go to one of the "big box hardware 
stores" buy a pressure washer or paint sprayer, do the job they need, 
take it back as being defective and get their money back.  Do check the 
return policy however.   On the other hand, it sure beats buying or 
renting a piece of seldom used equipment. Of course we as customers pay 
for this activity under the heading of "shrinkage".


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 5/26/2019 7:53 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote:
I wish there was a list somewhere of monitors that are currently in 
production and easily purchasable that are known to be quiet on the RF 
front. I've used the remediation suggestions offered in this thread, 
and have found them to help but not cure the symptoms I see. Buying 
and trying monitors seems like it could be a very involved process.


Frank k6fod


On 5/26/19 1:39 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:

Maybe now I can make some headway - or buy a new monitor...


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Re: [Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved

2019-05-26 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)
Vendors change suppliers all the time, this insures that a once quiet 
piece of equipment, stands a good chance of becoming a noisy piece of 
equipment in the future, or vice versa.  Hence why lists don't always work.


73s and thanks,
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resource

On 5/26/19 6:03 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:

Just FYI, the old (quiet) 22" Samsung monitor does not use a wall-wart. The 
cord goes directly into the body of the monitor. When I bought it in 2008, I think 
it cost about $350.00.

The 28" monitor cost $169.00 about two years ago, and uses a 19V wall wart 
supply. I bought it for some 3d CAD design work. I think it produces about 2-3 
S-units of noise. Maybe when I get some time, I'll try to fix it, but for now, it 
will be fine for non-radio uses.

So, I guess you get what you pay for!

73, Jim KO5V
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Re: [Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved.

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V


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Re: [Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V
Just FYI, the old (quiet) 22" Samsung monitor does not use a wall-wart. The 
cord goes directly into the body of the monitor. When I bought it in 2008, I 
think it cost about $350.00.

The 28" monitor cost $169.00 about two years ago, and uses a 19V wall wart 
supply. I bought it for some 3d CAD design work. I think it produces about 2-3 
S-units of noise. Maybe when I get some time, I'll try to fix it, but for now, 
it will be fine for non-radio uses.

So, I guess you get what you pay for! 

73, Jim KO5V
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[Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved.

2019-05-26 Thread w4sc
Jim,

Please ID the offending unit for future reference.

73 de Ben W4SC

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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Frank O'Donnell
I wish there was a list somewhere of monitors that are currently in 
production and easily purchasable that are known to be quiet on the RF 
front. I've used the remediation suggestions offered in this thread, and 
have found them to help but not cure the symptoms I see. Buying and 
trying monitors seems like it could be a very involved process.


Frank k6fod


On 5/26/19 1:39 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:

Maybe now I can make some headway - or buy a new monitor...


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Re: [Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved.

2019-05-26 Thread Bill
A little late commenting, however:  If the power supply is external - 
replace it. I had a 10" monitor that ran from a 12 VDC wallwart - it was 
very noisy. Shut the monitor off and it was quiet. So, I brought power 
to it from my main 12 VDC line and the noise was gone. &^*%$ cheap 
wallwarts!! Good luck!!!


Bill W2BLC

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[Elecraft] Noisy Monitor-Solved.

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V
Well, I tried to post my solution three times, and I guess it didn't work, so 
I'm trying a new subject.

I remembered that I had a 10-11 year-old, 22" Samsung monitor in the closet. It 
still has a good picture, and it is VERY quiet. so, that's my solution (for 
now, anyway). 

Thanks for all of the suggestions. 

73, Jim KO5V
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Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread Jim Miller
Forgot to add. Slit tennis ball on a seam and insert weight. I use 22 pennies. 
Close slit with hot melt glue. 

Jim ab3cv 

On May 26, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Bill Johnson  wrote:

Jim,  I have done that.  I am going to use my bow one more time and if that has 
any glitches will try the Sherrill launcher.  Not cheap but is commercial and 
well liked.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: Jim Miller  
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 4:05 PM
To: Bill Johnson 
Cc: Tom Boucher ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

Always let the weight drop and remove it at ground level before retrieving the 
line. Highly recommend slick line,tennis ball, and pneumatic launcher with 60 
lb spiderwire on an open faced spinning real. 

Jim ab3cv 

On May 26, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Bill Johnson  wrote:

I have had my  best success with using a bow and arrow.  I drill into the nock 
and have either a fishing pole and line attached or mount the real on the bow.  
Open real works best as it creates the least amount of drag, resistance to the 
arrow.  Do check the flight path carefully before letting the arrow loose. 

I have used a pneumatic plumbing constructed cannon, wrist rocket and other 
methods.  Those stinking weights and round objects, when they get swinging, 
wrap around the smallest objects in the trees and are a pain.  The trees at my 
place are thick, a forest. However, the arrow goes up and comes straight down.  

The issue with any of these methods is the projection path including wind 
drift.  Once I lob an arrow and it lands, I disconnect the fishing line from 
the arrow and then attach another fishing line with a fishing pole, then 
retrieve the line from the initial fishing reel.  It may seem a bit more work, 
but less danger, and nothing gets lost.  Then one can pull from the launching 
site whatever wire was to be strung.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Tom Boucher
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:35 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

Wayne's problem with a tree eating his wire reminds me of an incident some 
years ago when I was attempting to get an antenna halyard over a tall oak tree. 
I used some braided nylon cord with a probable breaking strain of several 
hundred pounds, which was attached to a drilled golf ball.

My catapult put the ball and cord over a branch somewhat lower than intended so 
I attempted to pull it back. Of course the inevitable happened and the ball 
wound itself around the branch. No matter how hard I pulled the cord it 
wouldn't come. So I wound the cord around a piece of wood and with my heels dug 
into the ground, gave it my full body weight plus some.

Finally it released itself and the golf ball shot towards me hitting me in the 
right foot and breaking several bones. I had literally shot myself in the foot! 
I'm just thankful it wasn't 2 or 3 feet up otherwise my voice would now be an 
octave or so higher.

Heard the guys sniggering behind the curtain in the hospital A&E department 
after I told them I had shot myself with a golf ball. XYL not at all impressed 
at having to drive me to the salt mine for 6 weeks.

Lead weights used by anglers could be even more lethal.

Needless to say I don't use that method any more and now use a compressed air 
device with weighted tennis balls which works a treat!

73,
Tom G3OLB
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Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread Bill Johnson
Jim,  I have done that.  I am going to use my bow one more time and if that has 
any glitches will try the Sherrill launcher.  Not cheap but is commercial and 
well liked.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: Jim Miller  
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 4:05 PM
To: Bill Johnson 
Cc: Tom Boucher ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

Always let the weight drop and remove it at ground level before retrieving the 
line. Highly recommend slick line,tennis ball, and pneumatic launcher with 60 
lb spiderwire on an open faced spinning real. 

Jim ab3cv 

On May 26, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Bill Johnson  wrote:

I have had my  best success with using a bow and arrow.  I drill into the nock 
and have either a fishing pole and line attached or mount the real on the bow.  
Open real works best as it creates the least amount of drag, resistance to the 
arrow.  Do check the flight path carefully before letting the arrow loose. 

I have used a pneumatic plumbing constructed cannon, wrist rocket and other 
methods.  Those stinking weights and round objects, when they get swinging, 
wrap around the smallest objects in the trees and are a pain.  The trees at my 
place are thick, a forest. However, the arrow goes up and comes straight down.  

The issue with any of these methods is the projection path including wind 
drift.  Once I lob an arrow and it lands, I disconnect the fishing line from 
the arrow and then attach another fishing line with a fishing pole, then 
retrieve the line from the initial fishing reel.  It may seem a bit more work, 
but less danger, and nothing gets lost.  Then one can pull from the launching 
site whatever wire was to be strung.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Tom Boucher
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:35 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

Wayne's problem with a tree eating his wire reminds me of an incident some 
years ago when I was attempting to get an antenna halyard over a tall oak tree. 
I used some braided nylon cord with a probable breaking strain of several 
hundred pounds, which was attached to a drilled golf ball.

My catapult put the ball and cord over a branch somewhat lower than intended so 
I attempted to pull it back. Of course the inevitable happened and the ball 
wound itself around the branch. No matter how hard I pulled the cord it 
wouldn't come. So I wound the cord around a piece of wood and with my heels dug 
into the ground, gave it my full body weight plus some.

Finally it released itself and the golf ball shot towards me hitting me in the 
right foot and breaking several bones. I had literally shot myself in the foot! 
I'm just thankful it wasn't 2 or 3 feet up otherwise my voice would now be an 
octave or so higher.

Heard the guys sniggering behind the curtain in the hospital A&E department 
after I told them I had shot myself with a golf ball. XYL not at all impressed 
at having to drive me to the salt mine for 6 weeks.

Lead weights used by anglers could be even more lethal.

Needless to say I don't use that method any more and now use a compressed air 
device with weighted tennis balls which works a treat!

73,
Tom G3OLB
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 and Accessibility

2019-05-26 Thread N2TK via Elecraft
Jim,
I feel like a newbie. Only 56 years for me. But I agree. When I haul the K3
to KP2M the only knobs I use when I am on frequency are the AF gain and RIT
for those who are off frequency. 
N2TK, Tony

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 and Accessibility

On 5/24/2019 5:00 PM, hwhi...@maine.rr.com wrote:
> I suggest you double the size of the radio and change your design
criteria.

This is exactly the opposite of how I feel about radios -- I'll be 78 in the
fall, but I'm still an active guy dragging my gear to portable setups, and
my shack is a SO2R contesting setup (single op, two radios). 
For both reasons, I am VERY happy with the light weight and small footprint
of the K3 (as well as it's predecessor, the K2, and relatives, the KX3 and
KX2). I don't want big knobs or even a lot of knobs -- when I'm operating,
the only knobs I'm using are the gain controls and whatever changes
frequency, including RIT or XIT.

But what do I know -- I've only been doing it for 63 years.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V


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[Elecraft] Fw: Re: VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V


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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V


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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Edward R Cole
Other than coming up with a fix is just buy a "good" monitor and 
retire the old one.


I have been using two 21-inch Dell monitors bought circa 2008-2010 
with no noise problems.  Computers are maybe two foot from the radio.
Since going to shielded cat-5 computer wiring have few birdies on the 
K3 or KX3 from the computer(s):  Dell i5 Inspiron.  Have no ferrites 
on computer wiring (ac or  USB).  DC power leads on the monitors have 
common mode ferrites standard from the factory.


I run 25-foot of non-shielded Cat-5 into another room which has 
router and DSL modem.


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
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Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread Jim Miller
Always let the weight drop and remove it at ground level before retrieving the 
line. Highly recommend slick line,tennis ball, and pneumatic launcher with 60 
lb spiderwire on an open faced spinning real. 

Jim ab3cv 

On May 26, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Bill Johnson  wrote:

I have had my  best success with using a bow and arrow.  I drill into the nock 
and have either a fishing pole and line attached or mount the real on the bow.  
Open real works best as it creates the least amount of drag, resistance to the 
arrow.  Do check the flight path carefully before letting the arrow loose. 

I have used a pneumatic plumbing constructed cannon, wrist rocket and other 
methods.  Those stinking weights and round objects, when they get swinging, 
wrap around the smallest objects in the trees and are a pain.  The trees at my 
place are thick, a forest. However, the arrow goes up and comes straight down.  

The issue with any of these methods is the projection path including wind 
drift.  Once I lob an arrow and it lands, I disconnect the fishing line from 
the arrow and then attach another fishing line with a fishing pole, then 
retrieve the line from the initial fishing reel.  It may seem a bit more work, 
but less danger, and nothing gets lost.  Then one can pull from the launching 
site whatever wire was to be strung.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Tom Boucher
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:35 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

Wayne's problem with a tree eating his wire reminds me of an incident some 
years ago when I was attempting to get an antenna halyard over a tall oak tree. 
I used some braided nylon cord with a probable breaking strain of several 
hundred pounds, which was attached to a drilled golf ball.

My catapult put the ball and cord over a branch somewhat lower than intended so 
I attempted to pull it back. Of course the inevitable happened and the ball 
wound itself around the branch. No matter how hard I pulled the cord it 
wouldn't come. So I wound the cord around a piece of wood and with my heels dug 
into the ground, gave it my full body weight plus some.

Finally it released itself and the golf ball shot towards me hitting me in the 
right foot and breaking several bones. I had literally shot myself in the foot! 
I'm just thankful it wasn't 2 or 3 feet up otherwise my voice would now be an 
octave or so higher.

Heard the guys sniggering behind the curtain in the hospital A&E department 
after I told them I had shot myself with a golf ball. XYL not at all impressed 
at having to drive me to the salt mine for 6 weeks.

Lead weights used by anglers could be even more lethal.

Needless to say I don't use that method any more and now use a compressed air 
device with weighted tennis balls which works a treat!

73,
Tom G3OLB
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[Elecraft] Fw: Re: VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V
Thanks to everyone who responded to my post, and to Jim k9YC for sharing the 
two .pdf links.  

Maybe now I can make some headway - or buy a new monitor... 

73,

Jim KO5V
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Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread Bill Johnson
I have had my  best success with using a bow and arrow.  I drill into the nock 
and have either a fishing pole and line attached or mount the real on the bow.  
Open real works best as it creates the least amount of drag, resistance to the 
arrow.  Do check the flight path carefully before letting the arrow loose. 

 I have used a pneumatic plumbing constructed cannon, wrist rocket and other 
methods.  Those stinking weights and round objects, when they get swinging, 
wrap around the smallest objects in the trees and are a pain.  The trees at my 
place are thick, a forest. However, the arrow goes up and comes straight down.  

The issue with any of these methods is the projection path including wind 
drift.  Once I lob an arrow and it lands, I disconnect the fishing line from 
the arrow and then attach another fishing line with a fishing pole, then 
retrieve the line from the initial fishing reel.  It may seem a bit more work, 
but less danger, and nothing gets lost.  Then one can pull from the launching 
site whatever wire was to be strung.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Tom Boucher
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:35 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

Wayne's problem with a tree eating his wire reminds me of an incident some 
years ago when I was attempting to get an antenna halyard over a tall oak tree. 
I used some braided nylon cord with a probable breaking strain of several 
hundred pounds, which was attached to a drilled golf ball.

My catapult put the ball and cord over a branch somewhat lower than intended so 
I attempted to pull it back. Of course the inevitable happened and the ball 
wound itself around the branch. No matter how hard I pulled the cord it 
wouldn't come. So I wound the cord around a piece of wood and with my heels dug 
into the ground, gave it my full body weight plus some.

Finally it released itself and the golf ball shot towards me hitting me in the 
right foot and breaking several bones. I had literally shot myself in the foot! 
I'm just thankful it wasn't 2 or 3 feet up otherwise my voice would now be an 
octave or so higher.

Heard the guys sniggering behind the curtain in the hospital A&E department 
after I told them I had shot myself with a golf ball. XYL not at all impressed 
at having to drive me to the salt mine for 6 weeks.

Lead weights used by anglers could be even more lethal.

Needless to say I don't use that method any more and now use a compressed air 
device with weighted tennis balls which works a treat!

73,
Tom G3OLB
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[Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread JK Hoop Hooper via Elecraft

Jim KO5V

I have a similar problematic LCD monitor.   Mine is 27” by Nixeus - the least 
expensive 27 inch monitor I could find.   Two kinds of problems include 
broadband noise of about 2 to 3 dB across 20 meters and a specific frequency 
noise of about 3 kHz wide at about 14.250 MHz.   Like yours, the noise goes 
away when it goes to sleep.   

Like you, ferrite additions have not worked.   I have 2 1/2 inch ferrite cores 
through which I wrapped the power and signal cables.  

My solution? Turn off the monitor.  It is a second monitor, paired to my iMac 
27 inches which has no such noise.A future, more expensive solution will be 
to get a new, better-hopefully monitor.   

Not the answer you want to hear, but I feel your pain.

73
Hoop
K9QJS 




On May 26, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Jim KO5V  wrote:

Good afternoon,

I have a ~24" LCD monitor that I want to use for logging, to display my 
panadapter, etc. Unfortunately, it is very noisy on HF. When It goes to sleep, 
the noise goes away. This is even more irritating because I now have the 
K2/computer/logging, etc, all working together. I've searched a bit on-line, 
but so far, I have not found any real solutions (but a lot of "me too" answers, 
and one suggestion to ditch the radio and make use of the internet...).

There are what look to be ferrite beads on each end of the signal cable from 
the computer to the monitor, and on the monitor end of the power supply's 
low-voltage line (I assume it's a switching supply). There are no beads on the 
supply's power cord.

All the radio equipment and the computer are using the same AC circuit. The rig 
and amp are grounded to the station ground, but the computer and monitor are 
only grounded through the AC supply.

I have four clip-on ferrite beads that I've tried on each end of the monitor's 
two lines, and they make no difference. 

Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe I've missed something dumb. I don't 
mind getting some big cores if necessary, but I would like to hear of someone's 
success before spending a lot of money trying to "shotgun" the solution, and I 
really don't want to get a new monitor - but if anyone has a suggestion of a 
noise-free one, please let me know.

Thanks in advance. 73,

Jim KO5V
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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Jim Brown

On 5/26/2019 12:15 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:

I have a ~24" LCD monitor that I want to use for logging, to display my 
panadapter, etc. Unfortunately, it is very noisy on HF.


This is a very common problem. There are (at least) two heads to the 
snake. The most common, and easiest to fix, is the power supply if it is 
a wall wart. Wind multiple turns of the power cable through a #31 
Fair-Rite core. The other head of the snake is noise from within the 
monitor itself, which radiates directly from it's own wiring and from 
the video cable. No fix for what radiates from it's own wiring, but 
multiple turns of the video cable around a #31 Fair-Rite core will kill 
that part of the noise.


Another very good solution to the power supply component of the problem 
is to replace the noisy power supply with a quiet one -- namely, a 
vintage linear supply with a transformer, rectifier, and filter.


There's a lot more detailed advice on this on my website.

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread Fred Jensen
I thought the round-headed Charlie Brown had thoroughly researched the 
"Trees Eating Things" problem ...


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 5/26/2019 12:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

I was on a 50 mile Scout trek and two Scouts got a bear-bagging rope with a 
rock tied to it stuck in a tree. They pulled as hard as they could and it shot 
back and hit one of them in the neck. Luckily, it only hit soft tissue, but he 
was in shock and couldn’t turn his head for a couple of days.

There is a kind of rope which is specifically designed to not get stuck in 
trees, “arborist throw line”. These days, I exclusively use that for bear 
bagging and for field antennas. Arborists also have throw weights for trees, 
though I don’t take those on hikes.

http://www.wesspur.com/throw-line/zing-it-throw-line.html

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 and Accessibility

2019-05-26 Thread Fred Jensen
If the K3 is too lightweight, one could always go retro.  My SX28 
weighed in right at 100 lbs and it was only a receiver.  The DX-100 was 
yet another 100.  On the serious side, I'm approaching 79 next month and 
I can still manage the K3 buttons although I wouldn't want them any 
smaller or closer than they are.  The KPod helps a lot, and reading the 
K3's legends is becoming an issue for me.  On the other hand, an 
FT1000MP won't fit on my desk but a K3 does.


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 5/26/2019 11:55 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:

Wow. Your preference seems to be in a minority, Harry, although I have to
admit that my opinion is subjective and based mainly on what I've read on
this reflector which may well be biased by folks like me who *like* the K3.
I think Elecraft retained in the K4 many of the design points that made the
K3 very successful and enduring, including its light weight and small size
which are two major complaints on your list. So it may be a chocolate vs.
vanilla situation - some people (like me) value those characteristics while
other people (like you) dislike them. Of course, you're right that many
prospective buyers are aging and some may come to dislike smaller knobs, I
for one still find the knobs and buttons plenty big enough and I'm now 70
years old. I once measured the K3 button size and spacing against my prior
favorite rig, the FT-1000MP, and found them practically the same. I never
had trouble operating the K3 and its menu structure was logical, rarely
needed, and self-documenting. The new K4 screen is plenty large enough for
me and comparable to many current, competitive radios'. It can also be
blown up to as large as you like through the addition of an in expensive,
external, HDMI monitor or a tablet. I've seen it and it was gorgeous.

So you're certainly correct that some people like big, heavy radios with
"substantial" knobs and they may not buy the K4. Others like radios they
can lift without back strain, carry to vacation homes and field sites,
operate remotely with minimal external hardware, and expect to survive
through upgrades for a decade. Many of them, like me, have been K3 fans for
12 years or so and will be delighted to buy the K4. The market will decide.
I think the K4 will be highly successful and I'm rooting for it. We'll see.

73,

/Rick N6XI
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Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA


On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 5:00 PM  wrote:


Wayne and interested others,

Way back when, I bought a loaded K3. I believe the S/N was around 4K? It
was back in the day when almost every DXpedition was using K3's so it was
obviously the radio to own. (Around 2009?) It was at the top of the
Sherwood ratings. Owner's bragged, incessantly, about its Sherwood rating.

After a period of time I grew to really dislike that radio. The audio was
just plain awful and the man/machine interface was the worst I have ever
seen. I detest bar graphs. I suppose if you play at ham radio 8 hours a
day, seven days a week, the interface is "normal", even usable. For those
of us who might get on the air for an hour or two a week, the controls were
a mystery. Tap this button to do this, hold the same button for three
seconds to do that, the list goes on. NOTHING was intuitive. It did not
help that it was an incredibly ugly, too light and unsubstantial, radio.
It's looks may have been barely acceptable when first introduced but it
aged badly, rapidly. Over a ten year period it's price has become a real
problem.

There were many, many questions on this reflector regarding the controls,
the same questions about the same controls, over and over and over again.
That should have been a very large hint that the controls should be
massively improved in any new radio.

I sold my K3 and moved on to the big Japanese three, ANAN, and Flex, over
the years. All had many, fairly easy to understand, controls. All were far,
far more usable than the K3. Both the ANAN and Flex service departments are
as good as Elecraft's.

Eventually I left the Elecraft reflector, and that is a whole other
story.

Last week the K4 was announced so I rejoined the reflector. It sounded
like a really great radio. Sadly, I have concluded it will be a dud, mostly
because it is designed with the same philosophy as the K3 was, a small,
compact, easily transportable radio, "a hallmark of Elecraft transceivers",
to quote you, Wayne. From all that I have read, the controls will be even
more complex.

Ham radio operators are an aging group. Some suffer from the "fat finger"
syndrome, others have vision problems, to name just two. The last thing
they need or want is a tiny radio with minimal controls, each of which
serves two or three or four or five purposes. They favor a radio that has
many single or dual purpose knobs. They want bigger screens, the K4 screens
are too small.

I suggest you double the size of the radio and change your design
criteria. Enlarging the physical size would not be a huge cost driver.
Remember who your cust

Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread rich hurd WC3T
I bought a 12 ounce throw weight for arborists from SherrillTree.com but I
didn't get any slick line (what the pros call it.)   Beware if you use
SherrillTree; once they have your address, you'll never be shut of them.

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 3:04 PM Walter Underwood 
wrote:

> I was on a 50 mile Scout trek and two Scouts got a bear-bagging rope with
> a rock tied to it stuck in a tree. They pulled as hard as they could and it
> shot back and hit one of them in the neck. Luckily, it only hit soft
> tissue, but he was in shock and couldn’t turn his head for a couple of days.
>
> There is a kind of rope which is specifically designed to not get stuck in
> trees, “arborist throw line”. These days, I exclusively use that for bear
> bagging and for field antennas. Arborists also have throw weights for
> trees, though I don’t take those on hikes.
>
> http://www.wesspur.com/throw-line/zing-it-throw-line.html
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On May 26, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Tom Boucher  wrote:
> >
> > Wayne's problem with a tree eating his wire reminds me of an incident
> some
> > years ago when I was attempting to get an antenna halyard over a tall oak
> > tree. I used some braided nylon cord with a probable breaking strain of
> > several hundred pounds, which was attached to a drilled golf ball.
> >
> > My catapult put the ball and cord over a branch somewhat lower than
> > intended so I attempted to pull it back. Of course the inevitable
> happened
> > and the ball wound itself around the branch. No matter how hard I pulled
> > the cord it wouldn't come. So I wound the cord around a piece of wood and
> > with my heels dug into the ground, gave it my full body weight plus some.
> >
> > Finally it released itself and the golf ball shot towards me hitting me
> in
> > the right foot and breaking several bones. I had literally shot myself in
> > the foot! I'm just thankful it wasn't 2 or 3 feet up otherwise my voice
> > would now be an octave or so higher.
> >
> > Heard the guys sniggering behind the curtain in the hospital A&E
> department
> > after I told them I had shot myself with a golf ball. XYL not at all
> > impressed at having to drive me to the salt mine for 6 weeks.
> >
> > Lead weights used by anglers could be even more lethal.
> >
> > Needless to say I don't use that method any more and now use a compressed
> > air device with weighted tennis balls which works a treat!
> >
> > 73,
> > Tom G3OLB
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Re: [Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Nicklas Johnson
My experience with some cheaper LCD monitors is that the backlight
brightness is controlled by a badly designed PWM circuit.  With my parents'
Samsung, the noise is even audible if you're sitting next to it.

The only solution I've found, if indeed this is what's giving you trouble,
is to turn the backlight brightness up to 100%.  Even at 99% the PWM kicks
in and makes a hell of a racket.

   Nick


On Sun, 26 May 2019 at 12:16, Jim KO5V  wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> I have a ~24" LCD monitor that I want to use for logging, to display my
> panadapter, etc. Unfortunately, it is very noisy on HF. When It goes to
> sleep, the noise goes away. This is even more irritating because I now have
> the K2/computer/logging, etc, all working together. I've searched a bit
> on-line, but so far, I have not found any real solutions (but a lot of "me
> too" answers, and one suggestion to ditch the radio and make use of the
> internet...).
>
> There are what look to be ferrite beads on each end of the signal cable
> from the computer to the monitor, and on the monitor end of the power
> supply's low-voltage line (I assume it's a switching supply). There are no
> beads on the supply's power cord.
>
> All the radio equipment and the computer are using the same AC circuit.
> The rig and amp are grounded to the station ground, but the computer and
> monitor are only grounded through the AC supply.
>
> I have four clip-on ferrite beads that I've tried on each end of the
> monitor's two lines, and they make no difference.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe I've missed something dumb. I
> don't mind getting some big cores if necessary, but I would like to hear of
> someone's success before spending a lot of money trying to "shotgun" the
> solution, and I really don't want to get a new monitor - but if anyone has
> a suggestion of a noise-free one, please let me know.
>
> Thanks in advance. 73,
>
> Jim KO5V
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K2/100 RF power indication not working - Blown D16 & D17?

2019-05-26 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

Yes, as long as the KPA100 is physically connected to the base K2, its 
wattmeter will be used for power control.  The base K2 provides power to 
the critical circuits and MCU in the KPA100 even though the PA is turned 
off in the menu or not powered via the APP connector.


You MUST connect the antenna/dummy load to the KPA100 SO-239 ANT jack - 
you cannot use the base K2 BNC ANT jack unless you physically remove and 
disconnect the KPA100.  If you try, the base K2 will think there is no 
power being produced and will increase drive to maximum - as high as 19 
watts uncontrolled power output will result no matter where you set the 
power control.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/26/2019 2:56 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:

So, if you turn the KPA100 off via the menu, the KPA100 SWR bridge is still 
used in any case?

I’ll plan to add 50-100 kOhm resistors across the output, as you suggested. I’m 
also going to re-do the calibration of both SWR meters, just make sure no 
damage was done to the KAT100.


On May 25, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

I only partially answered the question about when each wattmeter is used.
If the KAT100 is connected to a QRP K2 (KPA100 physically removed) through a 
KIO2, then the KAT100 wattmeter will be used for power control and SWR display 
in the K2 display.

As long as the KPA100 is physically connected, its wattmeter is used for power 
control and also display of SWR on the K2.

73,
Don W3FPR




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[Elecraft] VERY noisy LCD Monitor. Any Suggestions?

2019-05-26 Thread Jim KO5V
Good afternoon,

I have a ~24" LCD monitor that I want to use for logging, to display my 
panadapter, etc. Unfortunately, it is very noisy on HF. When It goes to sleep, 
the noise goes away. This is even more irritating because I now have the 
K2/computer/logging, etc, all working together. I've searched a bit on-line, 
but so far, I have not found any real solutions (but a lot of "me too" answers, 
and one suggestion to ditch the radio and make use of the internet...).

There are what look to be ferrite beads on each end of the signal cable from 
the computer to the monitor, and on the monitor end of the power supply's 
low-voltage line (I assume it's a switching supply). There are no beads on the 
supply's power cord.

All the radio equipment and the computer are using the same AC circuit. The rig 
and amp are grounded to the station ground, but the computer and monitor are 
only grounded through the AC supply.

I have four clip-on ferrite beads that I've tried on each end of the monitor's 
two lines, and they make no difference. 

Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe I've missed something dumb. I don't 
mind getting some big cores if necessary, but I would like to hear of someone's 
success before spending a lot of money trying to "shotgun" the solution, and I 
really don't want to get a new monitor - but if anyone has a suggestion of a 
noise-free one, please let me know.

Thanks in advance. 73,

Jim KO5V
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 and Accessibility

2019-05-26 Thread Jim Brown

On 5/26/2019 11:55 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:

I never
had trouble operating the K3 and its menu structure was logical, rarely
needed, and self-documenting. The new K4 screen is plenty large enough for
me and comparable to many current, competitive radios'. It can also be
blown up to as large as you like through the addition of an in expensive,
external, HDMI monitor or a tablet. I've seen it and it was gorgeous.


In addition to being a very smart engineer, Rick is a great operator who 
has competed in several WRTCs.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread Walter Underwood
I was on a 50 mile Scout trek and two Scouts got a bear-bagging rope with a 
rock tied to it stuck in a tree. They pulled as hard as they could and it shot 
back and hit one of them in the neck. Luckily, it only hit soft tissue, but he 
was in shock and couldn’t turn his head for a couple of days.

There is a kind of rope which is specifically designed to not get stuck in 
trees, “arborist throw line”. These days, I exclusively use that for bear 
bagging and for field antennas. Arborists also have throw weights for trees, 
though I don’t take those on hikes.

http://www.wesspur.com/throw-line/zing-it-throw-line.html

wunder
K6WRU
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CM87wj
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> On May 26, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Tom Boucher  wrote:
> 
> Wayne's problem with a tree eating his wire reminds me of an incident some
> years ago when I was attempting to get an antenna halyard over a tall oak
> tree. I used some braided nylon cord with a probable breaking strain of
> several hundred pounds, which was attached to a drilled golf ball.
> 
> My catapult put the ball and cord over a branch somewhat lower than
> intended so I attempted to pull it back. Of course the inevitable happened
> and the ball wound itself around the branch. No matter how hard I pulled
> the cord it wouldn't come. So I wound the cord around a piece of wood and
> with my heels dug into the ground, gave it my full body weight plus some.
> 
> Finally it released itself and the golf ball shot towards me hitting me in
> the right foot and breaking several bones. I had literally shot myself in
> the foot! I'm just thankful it wasn't 2 or 3 feet up otherwise my voice
> would now be an octave or so higher.
> 
> Heard the guys sniggering behind the curtain in the hospital A&E department
> after I told them I had shot myself with a golf ball. XYL not at all
> impressed at having to drive me to the salt mine for 6 weeks.
> 
> Lead weights used by anglers could be even more lethal.
> 
> Needless to say I don't use that method any more and now use a compressed
> air device with weighted tennis balls which works a treat!
> 
> 73,
> Tom G3OLB
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 and Accessibility

2019-05-26 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
Wow. Your preference seems to be in a minority, Harry, although I have to
admit that my opinion is subjective and based mainly on what I've read on
this reflector which may well be biased by folks like me who *like* the K3.
I think Elecraft retained in the K4 many of the design points that made the
K3 very successful and enduring, including its light weight and small size
which are two major complaints on your list. So it may be a chocolate vs.
vanilla situation - some people (like me) value those characteristics while
other people (like you) dislike them. Of course, you're right that many
prospective buyers are aging and some may come to dislike smaller knobs, I
for one still find the knobs and buttons plenty big enough and I'm now 70
years old. I once measured the K3 button size and spacing against my prior
favorite rig, the FT-1000MP, and found them practically the same. I never
had trouble operating the K3 and its menu structure was logical, rarely
needed, and self-documenting. The new K4 screen is plenty large enough for
me and comparable to many current, competitive radios'. It can also be
blown up to as large as you like through the addition of an in expensive,
external, HDMI monitor or a tablet. I've seen it and it was gorgeous.

So you're certainly correct that some people like big, heavy radios with
"substantial" knobs and they may not buy the K4. Others like radios they
can lift without back strain, carry to vacation homes and field sites,
operate remotely with minimal external hardware, and expect to survive
through upgrades for a decade. Many of them, like me, have been K3 fans for
12 years or so and will be delighted to buy the K4. The market will decide.
I think the K4 will be highly successful and I'm rooting for it. We'll see.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 5:00 PM  wrote:

> Wayne and interested others,
>
> Way back when, I bought a loaded K3. I believe the S/N was around 4K? It
> was back in the day when almost every DXpedition was using K3's so it was
> obviously the radio to own. (Around 2009?) It was at the top of the
> Sherwood ratings. Owner's bragged, incessantly, about its Sherwood rating.
>
> After a period of time I grew to really dislike that radio. The audio was
> just plain awful and the man/machine interface was the worst I have ever
> seen. I detest bar graphs. I suppose if you play at ham radio 8 hours a
> day, seven days a week, the interface is "normal", even usable. For those
> of us who might get on the air for an hour or two a week, the controls were
> a mystery. Tap this button to do this, hold the same button for three
> seconds to do that, the list goes on. NOTHING was intuitive. It did not
> help that it was an incredibly ugly, too light and unsubstantial, radio.
> It's looks may have been barely acceptable when first introduced but it
> aged badly, rapidly. Over a ten year period it's price has become a real
> problem.
>
> There were many, many questions on this reflector regarding the controls,
> the same questions about the same controls, over and over and over again.
> That should have been a very large hint that the controls should be
> massively improved in any new radio.
>
> I sold my K3 and moved on to the big Japanese three, ANAN, and Flex, over
> the years. All had many, fairly easy to understand, controls. All were far,
> far more usable than the K3. Both the ANAN and Flex service departments are
> as good as Elecraft's.
>
> Eventually I left the Elecraft reflector, and that is a whole other
> story.
>
> Last week the K4 was announced so I rejoined the reflector. It sounded
> like a really great radio. Sadly, I have concluded it will be a dud, mostly
> because it is designed with the same philosophy as the K3 was, a small,
> compact, easily transportable radio, "a hallmark of Elecraft transceivers",
> to quote you, Wayne. From all that I have read, the controls will be even
> more complex.
>
> Ham radio operators are an aging group. Some suffer from the "fat finger"
> syndrome, others have vision problems, to name just two. The last thing
> they need or want is a tiny radio with minimal controls, each of which
> serves two or three or four or five purposes. They favor a radio that has
> many single or dual purpose knobs. They want bigger screens, the K4 screens
> are too small.
>
> I suggest you double the size of the radio and change your design
> criteria. Enlarging the physical size would not be a huge cost driver.
> Remember who your customers are.
>
> And when the Flex 6700 kicked the K3 out of first place in the Sherwood
> ratings in 2014, the Koolaid drinkers on this reflector were heard to say,
> "People put too much faith in numbers". Hypocrisy is thy name. I haven't
> stopped laughing.
>
> This email pertains to only the second and third paragraphs of Wayne's
> reply below.
>
> I wish Elecraft well with the K4 but I really think your minimalist/too
> complex way of designing needs to change. You've probably already guessed
> tha

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 and Accessibility

2019-05-26 Thread Rick Tavan
Wow. Your preference seems to be in a minority, Harry, although I have to
admit that my opinion is subjective and based mainly on what I've read on
this reflector which may well be biased by folks like me who *like* the K3.
I think Elecraft retained in the K4 many of the design points that made the
K3 very successful and enduring, including its light weight and small size
which are two major complaints on your list. So it may be a chocolate vs.
vanilla situation - some people (like me) value those characteristics while
other people (like you) dislike them. Of course, you're right that many
prospective buyers are aging and some may come to dislike smaller knobs, I
for one still find the knobs and buttons plenty big enough and I'm now 70
years old. I once measured the K3 button size and spacing against my prior
favorite rig, the FT-1000MP, and found them practically the same. I never
had trouble operating the K3 and its menu structure was logical, rarely
needed, and self-documenting. The new K4 screen is plenty large enough for
me and comparable to many current, competitive radios'. It can also be
blown up to as large as you like through the addition of an in expensive,
external, HDMI monitor or a tablet. I've seen it and it was gorgeous.

So you're certainly correct that some people like big, heavy radios with
"substantial" knobs and they may not buy the K4. Others like radios they
can lift without back strain, carry to vacation homes and field sites,
operate remotely with minimal external hardware, and expect to survive
through upgrades for a decade. Many of them, like me, have been K3 fans for
12 years or so and will be delighted to buy the K4. The market will decide.
I think the K4 will be highly successful and I'm rooting for it. We'll see.

73,

/Rick N6XI
--

Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA


On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 5:00 PM  wrote:

> Wayne and interested others,
>
> Way back when, I bought a loaded K3. I believe the S/N was around 4K? It
> was back in the day when almost every DXpedition was using K3's so it was
> obviously the radio to own. (Around 2009?) It was at the top of the
> Sherwood ratings. Owner's bragged, incessantly, about its Sherwood rating.
>
> After a period of time I grew to really dislike that radio. The audio was
> just plain awful and the man/machine interface was the worst I have ever
> seen. I detest bar graphs. I suppose if you play at ham radio 8 hours a
> day, seven days a week, the interface is "normal", even usable. For those
> of us who might get on the air for an hour or two a week, the controls were
> a mystery. Tap this button to do this, hold the same button for three
> seconds to do that, the list goes on. NOTHING was intuitive. It did not
> help that it was an incredibly ugly, too light and unsubstantial, radio.
> It's looks may have been barely acceptable when first introduced but it
> aged badly, rapidly. Over a ten year period it's price has become a real
> problem.
>
> There were many, many questions on this reflector regarding the controls,
> the same questions about the same controls, over and over and over again.
> That should have been a very large hint that the controls should be
> massively improved in any new radio.
>
> I sold my K3 and moved on to the big Japanese three, ANAN, and Flex, over
> the years. All had many, fairly easy to understand, controls. All were far,
> far more usable than the K3. Both the ANAN and Flex service departments are
> as good as Elecraft's.
>
> Eventually I left the Elecraft reflector, and that is a whole other
> story.
>
> Last week the K4 was announced so I rejoined the reflector. It sounded
> like a really great radio. Sadly, I have concluded it will be a dud, mostly
> because it is designed with the same philosophy as the K3 was, a small,
> compact, easily transportable radio, "a hallmark of Elecraft transceivers",
> to quote you, Wayne. From all that I have read, the controls will be even
> more complex.
>
> Ham radio operators are an aging group. Some suffer from the "fat finger"
> syndrome, others have vision problems, to name just two. The last thing
> they need or want is a tiny radio with minimal controls, each of which
> serves two or three or four or five purposes. They favor a radio that has
> many single or dual purpose knobs. They want bigger screens, the K4 screens
> are too small.
>
> I suggest you double the size of the radio and change your design
> criteria. Enlarging the physical size would not be a huge cost driver.
> Remember who your customers are.
>
> And when the Flex 6700 kicked the K3 out of first place in the Sherwood
> ratings in 2014, the Koolaid drinkers on this reflector were heard to say,
> "People put too much faith in numbers". Hypocrisy is thy name. I haven't
> stopped laughing.
>
> This email pertains to only the second and third paragraphs of Wayne's
> reply below.
>
> I wish Elecraft well with the K4 but I really think your minimalist/too
> complex way of designing needs to change. You've pr

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K2/100 RF power indication not working - Blown D16 & D17?

2019-05-26 Thread Bill Coleman
So, if you turn the KPA100 off via the menu, the KPA100 SWR bridge is still 
used in any case? 

I’ll plan to add 50-100 kOhm resistors across the output, as you suggested. I’m 
also going to re-do the calibration of both SWR meters, just make sure no 
damage was done to the KAT100.

> On May 25, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> I only partially answered the question about when each wattmeter is used.
> If the KAT100 is connected to a QRP K2 (KPA100 physically removed) through a 
> KIO2, then the KAT100 wattmeter will be used for power control and SWR 
> display in the K2 display.
> 
> As long as the KPA100 is physically connected, its wattmeter is used for 
> power control and also display of SWR on the K2.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Both wattmeters (KPA100 and KAT100) are in-line at the same time. With the 
> KPA100 installed the KAT100 wattmeter is only used to calculate the SWR and 
> use that value to light the SWR bargraph. But otherwise they are electrically 
> equal.
> 
> Why the KPA100 diodes get zapped while the KAT100 ones are often unscathed is 
> a question I do not have an answer for - it may have something to do with the 
> physical placement of the toroid and the diodes.  The KAT100 has a greater 
> groundplane area around the toroid and diodes, and I believe that has 
> something to do with it.
> 
> I would suggest that you do something like putting a non-inductive resistor 
> from the KPA100 SO-239 jack to ground to bleed off residual static.  I have 
> used 3 watt 47k resistors successfully for that purpose.
> While you are at it, put one across each ANT jack in the KAT100 as well - if 
> you have the KAT100-1, you can easily solder them on the bottom of the board 
> - with the KAT100-2, it is not difficult to solder the resistors directly 
> across the SO-239 jacks.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 5/25/2019 1:24 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
>> Don, I have one question.
>> 
>> This is the second time my K2/100 has completely toasted D16 and D17. I also 
>> have a KAT100 connected at the same time, which has virtually identical SWR 
>> bridge.
>> 
>> How is it that a static discharge can destroy D16 and D17, but the diodes D1 
>> and D2 in the KAT100 are unaffected?
>> 
>> With the K2/100 / KAT100 combo, at which time are each of the SWR bridges 
>> used?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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[Elecraft] Trees eating wire

2019-05-26 Thread Tom Boucher
Wayne's problem with a tree eating his wire reminds me of an incident some
years ago when I was attempting to get an antenna halyard over a tall oak
tree. I used some braided nylon cord with a probable breaking strain of
several hundred pounds, which was attached to a drilled golf ball.

My catapult put the ball and cord over a branch somewhat lower than
intended so I attempted to pull it back. Of course the inevitable happened
and the ball wound itself around the branch. No matter how hard I pulled
the cord it wouldn't come. So I wound the cord around a piece of wood and
with my heels dug into the ground, gave it my full body weight plus some.

Finally it released itself and the golf ball shot towards me hitting me in
the right foot and breaking several bones. I had literally shot myself in
the foot! I'm just thankful it wasn't 2 or 3 feet up otherwise my voice
would now be an octave or so higher.

Heard the guys sniggering behind the curtain in the hospital A&E department
after I told them I had shot myself with a golf ball. XYL not at all
impressed at having to drive me to the salt mine for 6 weeks.

Lead weights used by anglers could be even more lethal.

Needless to say I don't use that method any more and now use a compressed
air device with weighted tennis balls which works a treat!

73,
Tom G3OLB
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 and Accessibility

2019-05-26 Thread Jim Brown

On 5/24/2019 5:00 PM, hwhi...@maine.rr.com wrote:

I suggest you double the size of the radio and change your design criteria.


This is exactly the opposite of how I feel about radios -- I'll be 78 in 
the fall, but I'm still an active guy dragging my gear to portable 
setups, and my shack is a SO2R contesting setup (single op, two radios). 
For both reasons, I am VERY happy with the light weight and small 
footprint of the K3 (as well as it's predecessor, the K2, and relatives, 
the KX3 and KX2). I don't want big knobs or even a lot of knobs -- when 
I'm operating, the only knobs I'm using are the gain controls and 
whatever changes frequency, including RIT or XIT.


But what do I know -- I've only been doing it for 63 years.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Help with K3S upgrades

2019-05-26 Thread Edward R Cole

(Sorry but could not resist)

I have my K3 with TCXO03 and EXREF referenced to 10-MHz (OCXO +/- 5 
E-12) and check it with my EIP538 Counter with ext ref to a +/- 5 
E-11 Rubidium.
Then transmit and check frequency - done!  At 28-MHz I am usually 
within 2-Hz (and obviously that gets better at lower frequencies).

http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
http://www.kl7uw.com/K3EXREF.htm

WWV signal not strong enough or reliable, here.  Rubidium only beat 
by GPSDO as reference.


Not your usual HF station equipment, but then I mostly do VHF - mw.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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[Elecraft] Macro programming odditys

2019-05-26 Thread Kurt Theis
In addition to my prior question, I've noticed an oddity when using macros,
and wonder if anyone has a resolution:

When I recall frequency/mode data from a channel, sometimes (but not
always) the cwt indicator will pop up. Also every now and then rit will
turn on.  Neither of these seem to be related to any particular band,  mode
or channel number.

My installed firmware is 5.14 for the MCU, 1.19 for the FPF and 2.83 for
the DSP1. My K3 serial is 89xx.

Anyone see this or have any hints to a resolution?

Kurt WA6YDQ



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Re: [Elecraft] Settings for CW decoder in K3

2019-05-26 Thread Don Wilhelm

A moderate bandwidth like 400 Hz will also help provide good decoding.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/26/2019 9:51 AM, Nr4c wrote:

First, press SPOT to “ zero-beat” the signal. Then adjust the threshold so that 
the CWT bar is flashing with the signal. This should work.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On May 25, 2019, at 11:03 PM, Ignacy  wrote:

I am trying to use the CW decoder in K3 to help copy fast exchanges. It is
hit and miss. The CW decoder in KX3 is better and so is the external CW
Decoder by WD6CNF (spkr to MIC).
Ignacy, NO9E



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Re: [Elecraft] Help with K3S upgrades

2019-05-26 Thread hbjr
Good advice!!

I'll redo the procedure after the radio has been in use for an hour.  I don't 
usually have the LCD illuminated because of the lighting at my desk - does the 
display contribute that much heat?

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help with K3S upgrades

Agreed. I've have the external ref module which actually measures the TCXO 
frequency and on my K3 the drift is pretty close to over after 60 minutes. I've 
tracked it all the way to four hours. It is useful to keep an eye on the front 
panel temp (DISP - FP). The TXCO is located in close order with the front panel 
and that influences the drift. Mine usually tops out at 37 to 39C.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



On 25/05/2019 17:24, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Glad you found the information of assistance.I suggest a bit 
> longer warm up than 30 minutes, but for starters, 30 minutes is OK.   
> I usually go for 1 hr to 2 hrs in a temperature stable environment.
> But...that's just me.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
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Re: [Elecraft] Settings for CW decoder in K3

2019-05-26 Thread Nr4c
First, press SPOT to “ zero-beat” the signal. Then adjust the threshold so that 
the CWT bar is flashing with the signal. This should work.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 25, 2019, at 11:03 PM, Ignacy  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to use the CW decoder in K3 to help copy fast exchanges. It is
> hit and miss. The CW decoder in KX3 is better and so is the external CW
> Decoder by WD6CNF (spkr to MIC).
> Ignacy, NO9E 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT100 Tuner

2019-05-26 Thread Yoshida Akira

Don

Thanks

On 2019/05/26 21:25, Don Wilhelm wrote:
The KAT100 ATU needs the control signals from the base K2 to turn on 
and function.


So the answer is that it will only function with the K2.

Yoou might consider the KAT500.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/26/2019 5:39 AM, Yoshida Akira wrote:

Hi all

Does KAT100 ATU work with transceiver other than K2 ?
Thanks in advance




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Re: [Elecraft] KAT100 Tuner

2019-05-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
The KAT100 ATU needs the control signals from the base K2 to turn on and 
function.


So the answer is that it will only function with the K2.

Yoou might consider the KAT500.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/26/2019 5:39 AM, Yoshida Akira wrote:

Hi all

Does KAT100 ATU work with transceiver other than K2 ?
Thanks in advance


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[Elecraft] KAT100 Tuner

2019-05-26 Thread Yoshida Akira

Hi all

Does KAT100 ATU work with transceiver other than K2 ?
Thanks in advance

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