[Elecraft] K4 K-POD vs KX3/PX3

[stephen shearer]

OK, I own a KX3/PX3 and have a K4 on order.

I like my KX3/PX3 and I am looking forward to having a K4 with the K-POD.
I "see" the K-POD more as a remote KNOB.

What I do like with PX3 is the ability to use the programmable  keyboard 
function keys (or any key you program) to either provide a macro 
function or a "send text" function and having 50 of each type.   This 
function is in addition to the message buttons on the KX3.  I "can" 
operate a CW/RTTY/PSK contest exchange with serial number with just the 
KX3/PX3 and a USB keyboard (and paper log sheet).  No computer required.


Will the K4 have this same function?  I may have missed it.  If the KX3 
can do it, it should be "easy" for the K4 to do the same...


I can see the logic of not having function keys for a USB keyboard.  If 
the K4 is being used for ANY contest or expedition, the K4 would "most 
likely" have a computer attached running software like N1MM+ (and 
function keys for text or macros). As I am not likely to backpack the 
K4...  and I probably have answered my own question.


73, steve WB3LGC


I do like the function keys for the PX3, although full function 
computers are now about the same size and weight as a small keyboard, 
with more functionality.



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[Elecraft] ICOM and KPA500/KAT500

[Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ]

Like many hams, I tried to marry an ICOM transciever with the 
KPA500/KAT500.   For the most part, it works.  But there is an annoying 
problem.  I have two antennas.  When I pressed "tune" on my radio after 
changing bands, the KAT500 would tune before changing antennas.  It 
would then memorize the the tuning result (for the wrong antenna).  A 
second push of "tune" caused the KAT500 to switch antennas and then tune 
again.  This happens whether the KAT500 is set to Manual or Automatic.


There are several notes on the web on how to deal with this -- up to and 
including transmitting a memorized tone from the radio after changing 
bands.  The KPA500 and KAT500 both see the signal, measure its 
frequency, and adjust appropriately.


So I designed a circuit that detects any band changes on the ICOM using 
the "band voltage" available on the auxiliary jack.  After a delay of 
1.5 seconds, it keys the transmitter to transmit its tune signal (10 
watts) for a half second.  This only generates RF, there is no tune 
command to the KAT500.  The result is that the KAT500 measures the 
frequency, sets up the antennas correctly, and sets its relays to the 
tuning result memorized for that frequency.  It's automatic.  If I need 
to actually tune, I can then press the tune button on the transceiver or 
on the KAT500 to match the antenna.


Why the 1.5 second delay?  That's because wsjt-x takes that long to set 
up the split frequencies on the radio.  If the radio is keyed to emit 
the tune signal, it interferes with the frequency setting.


The circuit uses an LM399 comparator and two 555 timer IC's (yes I could 
have used a 556 but rather than rewire, I added a second 555 when I 
discovered the need for a delay).  It connects in series with the 
antenna tune connection from the radio and in series with the "SEND" 
signal -- to prevent the KPA500 from transmitting the 10 watt tune 
signal.  A third connection is to pick up the band voltage, 12 volts, 
and ground from the AUX connector.


If anyone is interested in the circuit, please send an email directly to 
me at k0...@arrl.org.


73, Art K0AIZ

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ARRL Midwest Division Director

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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Drew AF2Z]

The limitation of using RIT/VFO for pitch adjustment is that it will 
move the signal out of the narrowed passband of the filter or APF.  A 
pitch control will adjust the signal's pitch over a wide range even 
after it has been centered in a very narrow filter.


My understanding is that the K4 will allow you to hear the pitch of the 
signal as it is adjusted. (The K3 PITCH control masks the signal while 
being adjusted, so you can only hear the effect on the signal when you 
disengage it.)


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 03/15/21 14:26, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:

Just a personal observation, but for me, anyway, the optimum pitch varies.

What seemed optimum yesterday is different today.

What seemed optimum this morning won't be optimum this evening.

What seemed optimum on one rig is not optimum on another rig.

What seemed optimum on 20 meters is not optimum on 80 meters.

What seemed optimum from speakers won't be optimum from headphones.

And most importantly, what seemed optimum during one QSO won't 
necessarily be optimum during the next QSO.


That's why RIT is such a valuable receiver accessory.  After zeroing the 
transmitter to the incoming signal, the RIT is adjusted for wherever the 
peak seems to be at that given moment.


And continual re-adjustment may be necessary as QSB, QRN, signal 
polarity, signal drifting, and other factors come into play.


For me, anyway, that's the way it seems to work.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV







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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Jim Brown]

On 3/15/2021 10:22 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:




I've not presented "arguments," only science.

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] 40 meter SSB net

[Steve Hall]

3-14-21
WM6P STEVE GA K3S NETCONTROL
K8NU CARL IN FTDX101D
W9EJB ED IN K3
K2VJK VERN NY K3
WY3T TIM FL K3S
W8LMG MAC WV FLEX6300
KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
AE6JV BILL NH K3
NS7P PHIL OR K3
K1NW BRIAN RI K3
WN8A JIM NY K3
KC0EM KEVIN IA K3
W4DML DOUG TN FLEX1500
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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[KENT TRIMBLE]

Just a personal observation, but for me, anyway, the optimum pitch varies.

What seemed optimum yesterday is different today.

What seemed optimum this morning won't be optimum this evening.

What seemed optimum on one rig is not optimum on another rig.

What seemed optimum on 20 meters is not optimum on 80 meters.

What seemed optimum from speakers won't be optimum from headphones.

And most importantly, what seemed optimum during one QSO won't 
necessarily be optimum during the next QSO.


That's why RIT is such a valuable receiver accessory.  After zeroing the 
transmitter to the incoming signal, the RIT is adjusted for wherever the 
peak seems to be at that given moment.


And continual re-adjustment may be necessary as QSB, QRN, signal 
polarity, signal drifting, and other factors come into play.


For me, anyway, that's the way it seems to work.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV





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[Elecraft] Upgrading KX3 firmware

[jim]

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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Bob Liesen]

Hi all,
 I too find a lower pitch better as I get older.  However, for me,
weighting is >the< factor in ease of copy.  Some fists I struggle to copy
at 15 WPM, but when the weighting is just "right", whole words just pop
into my head at most any speed up to ~30 WPM.
 I have analyzed with a CPO what meets that criteria, and have concluded
that significantly longer dahs, and shorter spaces between characters is
what is "right".  I'm sure my "right" is likely to sound like an
abomination to some others..I'd love to know more about what is going
on in my head vs others under these conditions.  "CW and the brain" would
make a great thesis in my view.

Bob  WB0POQ
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Re: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite is available

[Keith Trinity WE6R]

The links here seem to work; https://va2fsq.com/purchase/
IE;
32bit;   https://va2fsq.com/?wpdmdl=2746
64bit;   https://va2fsq.com/?wpdmdl=2747
Keith WE6R


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Re: [Elecraft] [ elecraft ] copying CW and pitch

[Paul Antos]

Two feet in the dust bin ... fondly recall copying CW on a Collins 75A4 with 
the very large outboard speaker ... pitch so low it seemed like a few handfuls 
of cycles ...smooth ... and perfect copy thru QRM and QRN. Maybe it was more 
physical pressure than tone.

Paul NS2N

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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Louandzip via Elecraft]

 I guess I'll play the contrarian here.  Back in '65 when I first got licensed 
I used 1kHz!  For a long time I was using 800Hz, but nowadays I like 700 Hz.  I 
understand the arguments and have unscientifically experimented with lower at 
times, including down to 300 or so, but it sounds kinda lugubrious and in the 
situation I've tried I've not noticed any consequential improvement in my 
ability to copy in QRM/N. I played the flute and piccolo for many years (and 
contrarianly, the baritone sax) and that might contribute to my predilection 
for high frequencies and frequency discrimination, or maybe it was the other 
way around, IDK.  
Lou W7HV
   On Monday, March 15, 2021, 8:57:44 AM MDT, Michael K Bottles via Elecraft 
 wrote:  
 
 Interesting comments. 

In the late 1960’s the late Harvey Hetland (WA6KZI/N6MM) told me exactly the 
same thing: a lower tone was better for copying CW. For a long time I was at 
450-500, now that I am in my 70’s I am down around 400-420. I guess Harvey was 
right way back then.

Kim - K7IM

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Elecraft] The Ham Expo: What it got right

[AB1DD]

Two weeks ago, our local club had our on line ham fest. We did a swap 
meet. Using Zoom, we had each seller in a break out room. They had a 
camera on the "stuff" and some had another camera for themselves. When a 
buyer came in, they could talk to the seller, and the seller could hold 
up the item and do a show and tell. Worked out good, the sellers were 
happy and items changed hands. It was up to the seller to set the 
payment and shipping method.


There was a table in the main lounge at HamExpo, but it was a long way 
down the list, don't know if anyone was there, as I was in a boot all 
weekend.


Carl

AB1DD

73,
Carl
AB1DD

Resistance is futile.
(don't know about reactance, though)

On 3/15/2021 11:06 AM, SteveL wrote:


I’m not sure how you do a virtual flea market - some of the best treasure hunts 
of a typical Hamfest.

Speaking of a treasure hunt, the after-hours global scavenger hunt conducted by 
Watson Adventures was fun!

Steve
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Re: [Elecraft] The Ham Expo: What it got right

[SteveL]

Interesting, just received an apology letter from Eric (the QSO Today Expo 
organizer).  Kudos for the pioneering effort - but clearly the issues were 
multi-factor including some outside of their control.  While I had a few 
technical issues on my end, once I figured out which browser worked on my 
MacBook, I was pretty much set.  Where I missed - it was usually an issue a 
presenter was struggling to overcome.

I did spend some time in the “lounge” and thought it was a good tool.  I could 
see vendors independently offering these small group “face-to-face” sessions 
periodically for sales, help, and more.

I’m not sure how you do a virtual flea market - some of the best treasure hunts 
of a typical Hamfest.

Speaking of a treasure hunt, the after-hours global scavenger hunt conducted by 
Watson Adventures was fun!

Steve
aa8af


> 
> Totally agree with you Wayne. The lounge was a great tool. I appreciate the 
> time you dedicated to talk with us. Thank you for all you have done to enrich 
> this wonderful hobby.
> 
> Yeah, the virtual conference wasn't perfect, but nothing ever is. I'm okay 
> with how it turned out. I learned a lot and walked away still happy I'm a ham.
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Michael K Bottles via Elecraft]

Interesting comments. 

In the late 1960’s the late Harvey Hetland (WA6KZI/N6MM) told me exactly the 
same thing: a lower tone was better for copying CW. For a long time I was at 
450-500, now that I am in my 70’s I am down around 400-420. I guess Harvey was 
right way back then.

Kim - K7IM

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 07:47, KE8G  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I agree!
> 
> I had brought up the same subject in the CWops Group a while back and found
> the same thing.  When I started out in ham radio 40+ years ago, my CW
> sidetone was around 700-750 Hz, a very nice sweet spot.  As I grew older,
> the sidetone frequency has been decreasing.  Now at 70 years old, I am at
> 420 Hz and that's the new sweet spot.
> 
> I did an unscientific study by operating the Wednesday CWTs at different
> sidetone frequencies, just to see if there was a difference.  Believe me,
> there was!  As I increased the frequency, my effectiveness of hearing the
> CW signals and separating them decreased.  I finally stopped at 700 Hz, as
> I was convinced that my hearing had changed and the lower frequency was
> definitely better for my ears.
> 
> 73 de Jim - KE8G
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 7:13 PM Chris R. NW6V  wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown 
>> wrote:
>>> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
 A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research
>>> there
 is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
 recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250
>> Hz.
>>> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about
>>> acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain
>>> interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our
>>> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
>>> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
>>> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are
>>> better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to
>>> lower frequencies.
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> Exactly right.
>> I have screaming-loud tinnitus at 1700hz - which is louder than
>> conversation, and rises and falls in pitch and volume with every
>> heartbeat... Fun, fun.
>> Changing sidetone from 800 to 400 made a HUGE difference in my ability to
>> copy through the chaos. I did so after reading an article 2 or 3 years ago
>> - perhaps those referenced, but I thought it was done by the USAF for
>> intercept operators in the late 60's - I may be mistaken.
>> ut for those who might not get the implications of what Jim said: our
>> perceptions depend less on absolute values than on the difference between
>> two values. That's why when you get "hot" with a fever, you "feel cold"
>> (and want heat, blankets, etc.): the outside air is now "colder" with
>> respect to your skin temp.
>> In terms of Morse, if the signal you're listening to is at 800 Hz, and the
>> interfering signal (or even the tone of the white noise) is at 700 Hz, the
>> 100hz difference amounts to just 12%. However, if the desired signal is at
>> 400 Hz, and the interfering signal at 300, that 100hz difference is now
>> 25%. At 300/200, it's 50%. Bigger differences are easier to copy.
>> I did have to reprogram myself to listen at the lower frequency -
>> familiarity had bred contentment.
>> 73 Chris NW6V
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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[Frank Krozel]

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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

[KE8G]

Yes, I agree!

I had brought up the same subject in the CWops Group a while back and found
the same thing.  When I started out in ham radio 40+ years ago, my CW
sidetone was around 700-750 Hz, a very nice sweet spot.  As I grew older,
the sidetone frequency has been decreasing.  Now at 70 years old, I am at
420 Hz and that's the new sweet spot.

I did an unscientific study by operating the Wednesday CWTs at different
sidetone frequencies, just to see if there was a difference.  Believe me,
there was!  As I increased the frequency, my effectiveness of hearing the
CW signals and separating them decreased.  I finally stopped at 700 Hz, as
I was convinced that my hearing had changed and the lower frequency was
definitely better for my ears.

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 7:13 PM Chris R. NW6V  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown 
> wrote:
>
> > On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> > > A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research
> > there
> > > is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
> > > recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250
> Hz.
> >
> > As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about
> > acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain
> > interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our
> > senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
> > loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
> > compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are
> > better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to
> > lower frequencies.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
>
> Exactly right.
>
> I have screaming-loud tinnitus at 1700hz - which is louder than
> conversation, and rises and falls in pitch and volume with every
> heartbeat... Fun, fun.
>
> Changing sidetone from 800 to 400 made a HUGE difference in my ability to
> copy through the chaos. I did so after reading an article 2 or 3 years ago
> - perhaps those referenced, but I thought it was done by the USAF for
> intercept operators in the late 60's - I may be mistaken.
>
>  ut for those who might not get the implications of what Jim said: our
> perceptions depend less on absolute values than on the difference between
> two values. That's why when you get "hot" with a fever, you "feel cold"
> (and want heat, blankets, etc.): the outside air is now "colder" with
> respect to your skin temp.
>
> In terms of Morse, if the signal you're listening to is at 800 Hz, and the
> interfering signal (or even the tone of the white noise) is at 700 Hz, the
> 100hz difference amounts to just 12%. However, if the desired signal is at
> 400 Hz, and the interfering signal at 300, that 100hz difference is now
> 25%. At 300/200, it's 50%. Bigger differences are easier to copy.
>
> I did have to reprogram myself to listen at the lower frequency -
> familiarity had bred contentment.
>
> 73 Chris NW6V
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Re: [Elecraft] Qso today problems

[Eric Norris]

Same frustrating problem
  No response to three calls for help.  On the bright side, I'll save ten
clams every future expo!

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 8:44 AM Dean L  wrote:

> Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
> I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.
>
> Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in
>
> 73
> Dean K2WW
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