Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS

[Hal Massey]

Make a run to the hardware store. They have a screw template that they can 
instantly use to confirm or deny the existence of 8-32 screws. It looks like a 
5 x 7 “ thin aluminum plate with a bunch of holes in it. It is free to use. 
They are also inexpensive to buy if you want to own one. 

If you have any kind of accurate measuring equipment you can google the 
diameter of an 8-32 screw and check that way also….

Regards
-Hal


> On Mar 31, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Rod Hardman  wrote:
> 
> Kent - PLEASE talk to Scott AK6Q
> kd6...@sbcglobal.net 
> 
> He makes a very affordable, excellent mount for the KXPA100
> 
> /rod VA3ON
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 21:46, KENT HUFFORD > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
>> bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not
>> 
>> use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Kent
>> 
>> KQ4KK
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS

[Scott]

Rod thanks for the referral!  I do have the mounts and screws for the AMP  go 
to my web site   www.gemsproducts.com 


Scott Bastian
AK6Q
Parker Colorado!

From: Rod Hardman
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 7:59 PM
To: KENT HUFFORD; kd6...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS

Kent - PLEASE talk to Scott AK6Q
kd6...@sbcglobal.net

He makes a very affordable, excellent mount for the KXPA100

/rod VA3ON

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 21:46, KENT HUFFORD  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
> bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not
> 
> use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."
> 
> 
> 
> I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 
> 
> 
> 
> Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kent
> 
> KQ4KK
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS

[Rod Hardman]

Kent - PLEASE talk to Scott AK6Q
kd6...@sbcglobal.net

He makes a very affordable, excellent mount for the KXPA100

/rod VA3ON

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 21:46, KENT HUFFORD  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
> bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not
> 
> use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."
> 
> 
> 
> I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 
> 
> 
> 
> Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kent
> 
> KQ4KK
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[Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS

[KENT HUFFORD]

 

I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not

use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."

 

I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 

 

Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?

 

Thanks,

Kent

KQ4KK

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Re: [Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities

[Gary Memory]

I'm only a single 'Memory", but I'm behind you and patiently waiting!!

Gary Memory, N7BRJ


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 9:35 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Greetings from the mothership.
>
> Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
> A: You bet.
>
> But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.
>
> On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a
> storm of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the
> third hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked
> trying to ramp up production.
>
> A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness
> factor -- comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot
> of invention. New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week
> alone our manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total
> time per unit.
>
> For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #2 on my workbench and use it
> every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with
> and thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily
> optimizing interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving
> faster ways to do alignment/test, and helping our software team work
> through a long wish-list of new capabilities.
>
> The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks
> off (and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another
> chance to be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to
> operate. And I'm confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line
> ready for its first test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the
> same feeling I do.
>
> Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first
> efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw
> parts with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could
> love to finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much
> the same now, though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the
> stakes higher.
>
> What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4,
> like we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to
> get them into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.
>
> 73,
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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[Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities

[Wayne Burdick]

Greetings from the mothership. 

Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
A: You bet.

But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.

On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a storm 
of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the third 
hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked trying to ramp 
up production.

A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness factor -- 
comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot of invention. 
New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week alone our 
manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total time per unit. 

For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #2 on my workbench and use it 
every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with and 
thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily optimizing 
interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving faster ways to do 
alignment/test, and helping our software team work through a long wish-list of 
new capabilities. 

The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks off 
(and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another chance to 
be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to operate. And I'm 
confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line ready for its first 
test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the same feeling I do.

Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first 
efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw parts 
with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could love to 
finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much the same now, 
though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the stakes higher.

What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4, like 
we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to get them 
into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.

73,

Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] WTB KX3 with add-ons

[Biglug]

Thanks Tim...

I ended up purchasing a KX3, so I am out of the market for a while.  Thanks
again.



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Re: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue

[Wes]

I don't know Bob, have never talked to him and don't use any of his products.  
That said, his presentation at the 2020 QSO Today Expo is top rate, informative 
and saved my bacon while setting up my TS-890 for RTTY.


The '890, unlike my K3(S) doesn't have an AFSK RTTY option.  It does have a 
legacy RS-232 port, two "virtual" serial ports via USB and an Ethernet port. 
(phew). Bob's presentation showed exactly how to configure the ports and MMTTY 
for RTTY and it works flawlessly.


If you haven't seen this and you have any questions about ports and interfacing, 
I highly recommend that you have a look.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MJfCKH7AdQ


Wes  N7WS



On 3/31/2021 1:24 PM, Neil Foster wrote:

I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 station
with a non Elecraft (brand "X") 
I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ year
old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can learn
from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call the
smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!

Neil   N4FN
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Re: [Elecraft] whining

[Doug Person]

Let's also remember that Elecraft is an incredibly small company 
compared to K, Y and I. And they're putting out a leading edge world 
class product that is as good or better than anything else on the 
market. It's quite a feat in today's business world. I've been waiting 
several years now. I get by with what I have (K2/100) and I continue to 
have something to look forward to. I'm just glad Big "E" has survived 
through everything. It's been a really tough year for many smaller 
businesses. It is an amazing success story that Elecraft has survived 
and prospered for over 21 years despite the gigantic size difference 
compared to its competition. (I guess I just sold my K3/P3 prematurely.)


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 3/31/2021 3:23 PM, David Herring wrote:

Investor.  ;-)

I’ll grant you we’re not investors in the traditional sense. But we’ve invested 
in the company nonetheless. Would you prefer venture capitalist instead? We 
provided funds that Elecraft was able to use to stay afloat and continue 
engineering and manufacturing efforts. Sure, we’re not going to make back 
millions on our “investment” and we have no stake in the company, but we will 
get one heck of a radio. That’s really all I cared about, to be honest.

Someone in the thread mentioned they are hearing lots of excuses. I have not. 
If all I was getting was excuses I would have cut ties and got a refund a long 
time ago. What I’ve heard are valid reasons. Actual real verifiable things that 
have happened that are out of anyone’s control.  Perhaps it’s just a matter of 
personal perspective.

I think that most agree a periodic official update with a little more 
regularity would be nice, but perhaps not at the cost of getting rigs out the 
door.

73,
David - N5DCH




On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:

Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
wondering or asking.

And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)

Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
downsides.

The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
a small satellite instead. :D

73,

Julie

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey mailto:haljr.mas...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of
whenever they can?”
PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
me but that’s probably asking too much.

Regards
-Hal

On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:

I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
to lower-priority support emails).

I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
the website would also be nice.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey mailto:haljr.mas...@gmail.com>> wrote:


What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.

The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
weekly email with status is not cheap.

Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?

Regards
Hal

On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle mailto:ju...@juliatuttle.net>> wrote:

"The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
these things like they used to?"

Yes, that, right there.

However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
event
videos to hear it?

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett mailto:w...@w0mu.com>> wrote:

The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
these things like they used to?

I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
have some wait times but not in the years category.

K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.

Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
so difficult.  I don't get it.

I don't have a K4 on order 

Re: [Elecraft] K4 whining

[VE3YF]

No whining from this guy. I put down full deposit back in 2019 and 
hoping I get my K4D comes by end of May. Some indications have been sent 
out that Elecraft are going for end of May for Group 1, If it doesn't no 
great loss. We have have been thru quite a bit over the last couple 
years and those in California have had it even worse with the fires etc. 
I can wait as my my K3S/P3 is performing excellent.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.

[Alan Bloom]

If the frequency display at the top center of the P3 screen is reading 
zero, then that implies there is something wrong with the RS-232 
connection between the K3 and the P3.  Recheck the connections on page 5 
of the P3 manual:


https://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740152%20P3%20Owner's%20man%20Rev%20H1.pdf

The two-headed cable should plug into the two RS-232 connectors on the 
P3 in the order shown.  Make sure all the connectors are well-seated.


Alan N1AL


On 3/31/2021 2:49 PM, Richard Hayman wrote:

Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from Elecraft 
service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.

Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can’t figure out why I have no 
frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both 
the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume 
RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.

Gotta be something simple. Right?

73, Dick, WN3R
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[David Herring]

Investor.  ;-) 

I’ll grant you we’re not investors in the traditional sense. But we’ve invested 
in the company nonetheless. Would you prefer venture capitalist instead? We 
provided funds that Elecraft was able to use to stay afloat and continue 
engineering and manufacturing efforts. Sure, we’re not going to make back 
millions on our “investment” and we have no stake in the company, but we will 
get one heck of a radio. That’s really all I cared about, to be honest. 

Someone in the thread mentioned they are hearing lots of excuses. I have not. 
If all I was getting was excuses I would have cut ties and got a refund a long 
time ago. What I’ve heard are valid reasons. Actual real verifiable things that 
have happened that are out of anyone’s control.  Perhaps it’s just a matter of 
personal perspective.

I think that most agree a periodic official update with a little more 
regularity would be nice, but perhaps not at the cost of getting rigs out the 
door.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
> expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
> wondering or asking.
> 
> And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
> also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
> transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)
> 
> Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
> might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
> when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
> downsides.
> 
> The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
> a small satellite instead. :D
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey  > wrote:
> 
>> Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of
>> whenever they can?”
>> PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
>> of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
>> loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
>> me but that’s probably asking too much.
>> 
>> Regards
>> -Hal
>> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
>> other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
>> to lower-priority support emails).
>> 
>> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
>> and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
>> come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
>> the website would also be nice.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey > > wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>>> 
>>> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
>>> overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
>>> might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
>>> weekly email with status is not cheap.
>>> 
>>> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Hal
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?"
>>> 
>>> Yes, that, right there.
>>> 
>>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
>>> event
>>> videos to hear it?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?
>>> 
>>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>> 
>>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>> 
>>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>> 
>>> W0MU
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>> 
>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>> 
>>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting 

Re: [Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.

[Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft]

Try a BNC jumper from IF out on the radio to IF in on the P3

Harlan
K4HES

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> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Richard Hayman  wrote:
> 
> Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from 
> Elecraft service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.
> 
> Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can’t figure out why I have no 
> frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both 
> the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume 
> RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.
> 
> Gotta be something simple. Right?
> 
> 73, Dick, WN3R 
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[Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.

[Richard Hayman]

Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from Elecraft 
service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.

Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can’t figure out why I have no 
frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both 
the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume 
RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.

Gotta be something simple. Right?

73, Dick, WN3R 
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[Elecraft] Product Availability Was: Re: QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Barry Baines via Elecraft]

Mike:

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
> 
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us these 
> things like they used to?
> 
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  
> HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are 
> they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait 
> times but not in the years category.

Flex has similar issues.  The Tuner Genius has been under development since 
2017.  They announced at the QSO Today Expo that those at the head of the line 
(e.g. those that ordered the Power Genius XL  in early 2017 when the tuner was 
packaged with the amplifier0  should get theirs in 2nd Quarter 2021, 4+ years 
after product announcement.  My Power Genius was delivered in May 2018 and I 
still can’t use it with a EFHW antenna without the tuner.  Maestro is currently 
on back order.  Their website shows their transceivers on back order with no 
expected availability times listed.Flex has gone through its own 
’transition’ during Covid where final assembly was brought ‘in house’ on their 
transceivers as their outside vendor shut down.  The Power Genius and Antenna 
Genius are built by 4O3A in Montenegro for Flex where they have their own 
issues and ability to ship product to the US is constrained.  

HRO may have lots of product but necessarily the product that I want.  I 
ordered from HRO last November the West Mountain Radio ‘PWRspeaker’ that is not 
expected until at least May.  It is produced in China.  So between parts, 
assembly, and transport across the Pacific there are plenty of reasons for 
delayed deliveries.  The Suez Canal debacle is but one part of the “supply 
chain’ impacts that also includes container shortages, port congestion, 
intermodal doublestack railcar availability, intermodal terminal congestion in 
the interior, and drayage impacts.  

Another example: I ordered three 4K 15” portable displays through Kickstarter 
in July 2020 with expected delivery in October 2020 from China (Two will be 
used with two GeoChron2 Digitial 4K devices that I had purchased through HRO in 
January 2020) .  Kickstarter charged my credit card in September and e-maiiled 
on 22 OCT 20 "Production is in full swing and we expect to begin shipping by 
the end of October.”  On 6 NOV 20 I received an e-mail from Kickstarter with 
subject line “Production Delays” ("It seems like many large electronics 
companies locked up all the raw materials before the funds were released from 
Kickstarter”) deliveries would not take place until February 2021.  No update 
received since then.  I have no idea at this point where they stand with 
expected deliveries.  Next week I will start making inquiries again.

What we all took for granted regarding ‘immediate gratification’ on what we 
ordered being immediately available “before Covid” is no longer the case.  It 
will be a ‘long time’ before we see a return to ’normal’ as economic activity 
dramatically picks up as Covid-19 restrictions are eased (thanks to 
vaccinations) and pent up demand for everything exceeds available supply.  
Prices will consequently rise.  Add in the proposed $2-3 Trillion in government 
spending on “infrastructure” (further competing for scarce products/materials 
that the private sector also needs)  and the proposed $2-$3 trillion increase 
in taxes (that will impact families and small business ability to ‘bounce back’ 
from the downturn) at the same time, and the nation will have so many “moving 
parts” that impact economic activity resulting in further uncertainty.  My 
concern is that the unintended consequences will have far reaching impacts on 
the economy from rising prices (inflation)  to uncertain availability putting 
even more strains on businesses such as Elecraft and Flex, not to mention the 
rest of us.


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX


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[Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue

[Neil Foster]

I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 station
with a non Elecraft (brand "X") 
I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ year
old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can learn
from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call the
smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!

Neil   N4FN
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Bill Lederer]

We ordered a refrigerator last March, and it wasn't delivered till October,
so there are a lot of delays across all manufacturing.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 1:18 PM Walter Underwood 
wrote:

> Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability.
> In November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still
> not available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can’t get parts
> sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign.
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> >
> > The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year
> but certainly not everything.  Most products are still being manufactured
> and are available.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray wa6vab wrote:
> >
> > Maybe Eric should just say……..
> > Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
> > So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
> > I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
> > Ray WA6VAB K3
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 whining

[Michael Downs]

Maybe we can all take a deep breath, relax and remember amateur radio is a 
hobby. Try to have some fun while we await our K4s. Peace y’all. 

Mike, ks7d 
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> On Mar 31, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA  wrote:
> 
> I did not put down a deposit on a K4.  When I heard about the first case of
> Covid, that stopped me in my tracks.  Yes, I know many weren't so lucky and
> put $$ down at "Dayton".
> 
> 
> 
> I watch the videos from Elecraft or read the great synopsis from fellas like
> Kimo, KH7U(and others) and read the mail on the various email lists here and
> there to get an idea when the K4 might be available.
> 
> I am actually holding out for a K4HD (or 2!) to do SO2R contesting.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't think you'd want even BI-WEEKLY updates from a company struggling to
> meet demands.
> 
> What company would do that anyways? If you are not aware of what they've
> been up against, you must have been living under a rock the past 16 months.
> 
> 
> 
> Nearly everyone understands what it takes to make a K4 and why they just
> can't supply one at this moment.  I am sure they'd love to ship 5000 units
> this week, IF THEY COULD.
> 
> 
> 
> Covid-19, wildfires, staff sickness, staff retirements, price increases,
> product redesign and probably more that we have no idea about or have any
> business knowing.
> 
> 
> 
> So, why don't you fellas please cut them a little slack and if you're really
> just mad and can't get over it, just apply to get your $$ back and go buy a
> YaeKenCom radio or 40 year old Heathkit.
> 
> 
> 
> The whining is getting loud.
> 
> 
> 
> No amount of it will help.
> 
> 
> 
> Mike VE9AA
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 whining

[Bill Steffey NY9H]

I thank Mike for this subject line, and would request that all whining 
follow on with this subject line.


This will allow me to appropriately send all said subject line to it own 
email folder.


I can speak to this as I did plop down all the bucks at Dayton.


bill  ny9h


On 3/31/2021 3:25 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:

I did not put down a deposit on a K4.  When I heard about the first case of
Covid, that stopped me in my tracks.  Yes, I know many weren't so lucky and
put $$ down at "Dayton".

  


I watch the videos from Elecraft or read the great synopsis from fellas like
Kimo, KH7U(and others) and read the mail on the various email lists here and
there to get an idea when the K4 might be available.

I am actually holding out for a K4HD (or 2!) to do SO2R contesting.

  


I don't think you'd want even BI-WEEKLY updates from a company struggling to
meet demands.

What company would do that anyways? If you are not aware of what they've
been up against, you must have been living under a rock the past 16 months.

  


Nearly everyone understands what it takes to make a K4 and why they just
can't supply one at this moment.  I am sure they'd love to ship 5000 units
this week, IF THEY COULD.

  


Covid-19, wildfires, staff sickness, staff retirements, price increases,
product redesign and probably more that we have no idea about or have any
business knowing.

  


So, why don't you fellas please cut them a little slack and if you're really
just mad and can't get over it, just apply to get your $$ back and go buy a
YaeKenCom radio or 40 year old Heathkit.

  


The whining is getting loud.

  


No amount of it will help.

  


Mike VE9AA

  


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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Alan Bloom]

Best Buy has been totally out of laser printers for months.

Alan N1AL


On 3/31/2021 12:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability. In 
November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still not 
available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can’t get parts 
sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign.

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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Julia Tuttle]

Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
wondering or asking.

And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)

Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
downsides.

The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
a small satellite instead. :D

73,

Julie

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey  wrote:

> Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of
> whenever they can?”
> PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
> of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
> loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
> me but that’s probably asking too much.
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>
> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
> other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
> to lower-priority support emails).
>
> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
> and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
> come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
> the website would also be nice.
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey  wrote:
>
>> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>>
>> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
>> overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
>> might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
>> weekly email with status is not cheap.
>>
>> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>>
>> Regards
>> Hal
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>>
>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?"
>>
>> Yes, that, right there.
>>
>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
>> event
>> videos to hear it?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
>>
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?
>>
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>
>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>
>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>
>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>
>> W0MU
>>
>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>
>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>
>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>
>>
>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>
>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>
>>
>> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>> process.
>>
>>
>> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>>
>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>>
>>
>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>
>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>>
>>
>> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>>
>> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>>
>>
>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>
>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
>>
>> Presentation from the Expo.
>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>
>> Swartz
>>
>> WA6HHQ 
>>
>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>> I 

[Elecraft] K4 whining

[Mike Smith VE9AA]

I did not put down a deposit on a K4.  When I heard about the first case of
Covid, that stopped me in my tracks.  Yes, I know many weren't so lucky and
put $$ down at "Dayton".

 

I watch the videos from Elecraft or read the great synopsis from fellas like
Kimo, KH7U(and others) and read the mail on the various email lists here and
there to get an idea when the K4 might be available.

I am actually holding out for a K4HD (or 2!) to do SO2R contesting.

 

I don't think you'd want even BI-WEEKLY updates from a company struggling to
meet demands.

What company would do that anyways? If you are not aware of what they've
been up against, you must have been living under a rock the past 16 months.

 

Nearly everyone understands what it takes to make a K4 and why they just
can't supply one at this moment.  I am sure they'd love to ship 5000 units
this week, IF THEY COULD.

 

Covid-19, wildfires, staff sickness, staff retirements, price increases,
product redesign and probably more that we have no idea about or have any
business knowing.

 

So, why don't you fellas please cut them a little slack and if you're really
just mad and can't get over it, just apply to get your $$ back and go buy a
YaeKenCom radio or 40 year old Heathkit.

 

The whining is getting loud.

 

No amount of it will help.

 

Mike VE9AA

 

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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Hal Massey]

Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ‘periodic update instead of 
whenever they can?” 
PS— I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold of 
the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A loud 
sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for me but 
that’s probably asking too much.

Regards
-Hal

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
> 
> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on other 
> parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding to 
> lower-priority support emails).
> 
> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list and 
> clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details come 
> out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on the 
> website would also be nice.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey  > wrote:
> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video. 
> 
> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight 
> with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel 
> great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email 
> with status is not cheap. 
> 
> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications? 
> 
> Regards
> Hal
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle > > wrote:
>> 
>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?"
>> 
>> Yes, that, right there.
>> 
>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
>> videos to hear it?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett > > wrote:
>> 
>>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?
>>> 
>>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>> 
>>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>> 
>>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>> 
>>> W0MU
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
 Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
 
 Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>>> rendered the project unaffordable.
 
 What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>>> process.
 
 Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
 
 Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
 
 None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>>> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
 
 That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
 
 73,
 David - N5DCH
 
 
 
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  > wrote:
> 
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>> Swartz
> WA6HHQ  >
> 
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>>> go
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>>> Note:
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>>> and
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>>> the
> Expo date: 

Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Louandzip via Elecraft]

 
I'm just happy we got past the TP shortage.  

Lou W7HV
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 1:14:04 PM MDT, Jim Brown 
 wrote:  
 
 On 3/31/2021 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> Most products are still being manufactured and are available.

Not true. We're one of the lucky ones whose home survived the summer's 
wildfires, but 3 weeks without power turned our fridge into a home for 
all sorts of stinking mold. The lead time on a new one was four months, 
and actual delivery was two months past that. Want to buy an RV to live 
in where your home used to be? Lead time is 6-12 months. Lead time for 
furniture we ordered around that time was 4-6 months. Two chairs we 
ordered two weeks are quoted for November. My XYL ordered a loom two 
months ago that she doesn't expect to see before July.

I don't know where the fridge was mfd, but all the other stuff was/is 
made by small companies in the Sierra Nevada, the midwest and the 
eastern US.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Jim Brown]

On 3/31/2021 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:

Most products are still being manufactured and are available.


Not true. We're one of the lucky ones whose home survived the summer's 
wildfires, but 3 weeks without power turned our fridge into a home for 
all sorts of stinking mold. The lead time on a new one was four months, 
and actual delivery was two months past that. Want to buy an RV to live 
in where your home used to be? Lead time is 6-12 months. Lead time for 
furniture we ordered around that time was 4-6 months. Two chairs we 
ordered two weeks are quoted for November. My XYL ordered a loom two 
months ago that she doesn't expect to see before July.


I don't know where the fridge was mfd, but all the other stuff was/is 
made by small companies in the Sierra Nevada, the midwest and the 
eastern US.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Wes]

I agree with Dave, although unlike him, I have ordered a K4, on the "no deposit" 
plan, so I'm not out any money.  Of course, no one is actually out of money, 
other than the opportunity cost, if they chose to bail out.


I sympathize with Elecraft's plight, but issues have plagued everyone and one 
would think that a company that manufactures communication equipment would 
communicate with their customer base.  Of course, they aren't expected to 
advertise every problem in their business activity, but frequent tidbits would 
keep the faithful happy.


Frankly, I got tired of waiting and wondering, and wanting at least one new 
radio before I croak, bought a TS-890.  Shortly after I did a fire in one of 
Kenwood's semiconductor suppliers plant stalled their deliveries.  But they 
announced this, found a workaround and began deliveries again, albeit at a $500 
price increase.  Will I still buy a K4?  I dunno but I'm still an Elecraft fan 
with a K3, K3S, Kpod, KPA500 and KAT500, the latter two work well with the Kenwood.


Wes  N7WS






On 3/30/2021 4:37 PM, David Gilbert wrote:



Uhh .. I'm not the one doing the whining.  The guys who post here asking when 
they might actually know when they will get their K4 are the ones you should 
maybe be accusing.  I'm just making an outsider observation on their behalf.


Besides, this isn't a marketing issue.  It's a simple communications issue, 
and like I said ... if we can hear about QRP contacts and pedestrian mobile 
contacts, the folks who actually invested interest-free money for the last 20 
months or so probably have a right to equal consideration.


Dave   AB7E


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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Michael Walker]

It is a good thing none of you are waiting for a new Bike.

It will be 2023 before the bike industry recovers.

Or build a house.  Here in Canada (where we have lots of wood) lumber
prices are up over 180%.  2x4" x 8ft aren't cheap.

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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Julia Tuttle]

I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on other
parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding to
lower-priority support emails).

I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
the website would also be nice.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey  wrote:

> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>
> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight
> with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel
> great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email
> with status is not cheap.
>
> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>
> Regards
> Hal
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
>
> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?"
>
> Yes, that, right there.
>
> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
> videos to hear it?
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
>
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?
>
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>
> W0MU
>
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>
> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>
> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>
>
> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>
> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
> rendered the project unaffordable.
>
>
> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>
> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
> process.
>
>
> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>
> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>
>
> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>
> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>
>
> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>
> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>
>
> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>
> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
>
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>
> Swartz
>
> WA6HHQ 
>
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>
> go
>
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>
> Note:
>
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>
> and
>
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>
> the
>
> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>
> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>
> other
>
> segments.
> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>
> have
>
> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>
> Plus
>
> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>
> handled
>
> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>
> up.
>
>
> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Hal Massey]

What do you have in mind? I liked the event video. 

The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight with 
your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel great 
about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email with status 
is not cheap. 

Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications? 

Regards
Hal

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
> 
> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?"
> 
> Yes, that, right there.
> 
> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
> videos to hear it?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  > wrote:
> 
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?
>> 
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>> 
>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>> 
>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>> 
>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>> 
>> W0MU
>> 
>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>> 
>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>> 
>>> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>> process.
>>> 
>>> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>>> 
>>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>>> 
>>> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
>> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>>> 
>>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
 
 Presentation from the Expo.
 Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>> Swartz
 WA6HHQ 
 
 Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
 I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>> go
 back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>> Note:
 I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>> and
 over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
 These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
 errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>> the
 Expo date: March 13, 2021.
 
 Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>> other
 segments.
 -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>> have
 now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
 weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>> Plus
 parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>> handled
 yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>> up.
 
 Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
 -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
 make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
 -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
 -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>> A is
 done.
 -Group B is even larger than Group A.
 -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
 consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>> started
 shipping.
 -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>> to
 wait?", he answered, 

Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Hal Massey]

They did communicate and recently. Did you miss that? 

I also cracked up at the word investor. Customer and investor are worlds apart. 

Are you an actual stake holder in this conversation? I am. I paid in advance 
for my K4.


I don’t feel like I need anymore communications than I have already received. 
Nor do I feel like rehashing this over and over or having non stake holders 
popping off randomly will make any difference. Did I miss something? 

Regards
-Hal



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
> 
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us these 
> things like they used to?
> 
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  
> HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are 
> they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait 
> times but not in the years category.
> 
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer unless 
> I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
> 
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with people 
> that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible so difficult. 
>  I don't get it.
> 
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
> 
> W0MU
> 
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, 
>> his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May. 
>>  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of 
>> his presentations live and did hear that.
>> 
>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at 
>> one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because 
>> tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered 
>> the project unaffordable.
>> 
>> What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft 
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the 
>> process.
>> 
>> Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d ordered, 
>> perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
>> 
>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires 
>> (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
>> 
>> None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have been 
>> foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
>> 
>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  
>> Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the 
>> issues as they come and moving forward.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Presentation from the Expo.
>>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
>>> WA6HHQ 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
>>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
>>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
>>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
>>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>> 
>>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
>>> segments.
>>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
>>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
>>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
>>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.
>>> 
>>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
>>> done.
>>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
>>> shipping.
>>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
>>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>>> - Testimonials from K4 

Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Steve KC6ZKT]

In my day job, working for a supplier of technology to a wide swath of 
consumer electronics manufacturers, I've observed over the past year 
major shifts in demand and the kinds of products people are buying. 
There have been surges in demand for some categories of products, and 
collapses in demand for other categories; all of which foil production 
and distribution plans which are normally designed to play-out of 18-36 
months. There have been supply chain disruptions. There have been 
shipping and logistics disruptions. The disruptions go deep into almost 
every component and service you can imagine.


Elecraft, or any small company building a niche product, who manages to 
stay solvent throughout all of this disruption is to be admired, even if 
their plans need to change radically.


As for the perceived lack of communication: I can also understand their 
reluctance to say much when they have their own uncertainty about the 
future.


About me: I'm happy to wait to order a K4 until they offer the kit. For 
me, it's a hobby, not my livelihood.



On 3/31/21 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year 
but certainly not everything.  Most products are still being 
manufactured and are available.


John KK9A



Ray wa6vab wrote:

Maybe Eric should just say……..
Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
Ray WA6VAB K3


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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Julia Tuttle]

"The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
these things like they used to?"

Yes, that, right there.

However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
videos to hear it?

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:

> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?
>
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>
> W0MU
>
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
> > Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
> of May.  I didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
> >
> > Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
> rendered the project unaffordable.
> >
> > What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
> process.
> >
> > Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d
> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…
> >
> > Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…
> >
> > None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have
> been foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.
> >
> > That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
> >
> > 73,
> > David - N5DCH
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
> >>
> >> Presentation from the Expo.
> >> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
> Swartz
> >> WA6HHQ 
> >>
> >> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> >> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
> go
> >> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
> Note:
> >> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
> and
> >> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> >> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> >> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
> the
> >> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
> >>
> >> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
> other
> >> segments.
> >> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
> have
> >> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> >> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
> Plus
> >> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
> handled
> >> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
> up.
> >>
> >> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> >> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> >> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> >> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> >> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
> A is
> >> done.
> >> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
> >> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
> >> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
> started
> >> shipping.
> >> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
> to
> >> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
> >> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
> >> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
> >> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
> >> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
> >> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
> >> list.
> >>
> >> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
> >> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
> >> right? I 

Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Walter Underwood]

Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability. In 
November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still not 
available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can’t get parts 
sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773

wunder
K6WRU
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CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> 
> The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year but 
> certainly not everything.  Most products are still being manufactured and are 
> available.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> 
> Ray wa6vab wrote:
> 
> Maybe Eric should just say……..
> Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
> So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
> I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
> Ray WA6VAB K3
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us 
these things like they used to?


I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for 
everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor 
in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios 
have some wait times but not in the years category.


K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer 
unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.


Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with 
people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible 
so difficult.  I don't get it.


I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.

W0MU

On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:

Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, his 
expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May.  I 
didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of his 
presentations live and did hear that.

Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at one 
point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because tariffs 
levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered the project 
unaffordable.

What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft apparently 
had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the process.

Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d ordered, 
perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…

Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires (and 
employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…

None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have been 
foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.

That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  
Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the issues 
as they come and moving forward.

73,
David - N5DCH




On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:

Presentation from the Expo.
Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
WA6HHQ 

Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
Expo date: March 13, 2021.

Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
segments.
-He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.

Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
-They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
-The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
-The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
done.
-Group B is even larger than Group A.
-Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
shipping.
-When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
- I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
- Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
list.

Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.

I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
73,
Kimo KH7U
(Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[john]

The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a  
year but certainly not everything.  Most products are still being  
manufactured and are available.


John KK9A



Ray wa6vab wrote:

Maybe Eric should just say……..
Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
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Re: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[David Herring]

Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, his 
expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May.  I 
didn’t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of his 
presentations live and did hear that. 

Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at one 
point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because tariffs 
levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered the project 
unaffordable. 

What’s more, and I don’t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft apparently 
had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the process. 

Ordinarily I’d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I’d ordered, 
perhaps many of us wouldn’t, but…

Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires (and 
employee loss of property), Vendor Delays…

None of that was under Elecraft’s control. Not much of that could have been 
foreseen.  “Stuff” happens.

That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  
Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the issues 
as they come and moving forward.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun  wrote:
> 
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
> WA6HHQ 
> 
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
> 
> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
> segments.
> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.
> 
> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
> done.
> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
> shipping.
> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
> list.
> 
> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
> 
> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
> 73,
> Kimo KH7U
> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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[Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

[Kimo Chun]

Presentation from the Expo.
Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
WA6HHQ 

Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
Expo date: March 13, 2021.

Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
segments.
-He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.

Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
-They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
-The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
-The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
done.
-Group B is even larger than Group A.
-Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
shipping.
-When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
- I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
- Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
list.

Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.

I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
73,
Kimo KH7U
(Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[David Gilbert]

Uhh .. I'm not the one doing the whining.  The guys who post here asking 
when they might actually know when they will get their K4 are the ones 
you should maybe be accusing.  I'm just making an outsider observation 
on their behalf.


Besides, this isn't a marketing issue.  It's a simple communications 
issue, and like I said ... if we can hear about QRP contacts and 
pedestrian mobile contacts, the folks who actually invested 
interest-free money for the last 20 months or so probably have a right 
to equal consideration.


Dave   AB7E



On 3/30/2021 4:22 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
Elecraft is unlike all other world-class mfrs of amateur radio 
transceivers.  They are very, very small.  They have to be to keep 
their margins big enough to compete with giants who mfr marine, 
aviation, and consumer electronics.  They can't get away with 
marketing a KX4 that puts out ONE WATT more than a KX3 and call it ALL 
NEW.  If an engineer's house burns down, they can't easily slide 
someone else over from another project.  Same with COVID.


If you ran a company like Elecraft, would you publicize every setback 
when every single employee is critical?  No, you wouldn't.  Either 
give them more slack, and wait, or go somewhere else and buy something 
else.  But please stop the endless whining.


K4s are out there--I hear them on in contests.

Eric has stated they hope to clear the Group 1 backlog by the end of 
May.  He has also stated that K4 production will ramp up by an order 
of magnitude and more.


Remember the K3 rollout?  KPA1500?  NO COVID. NO WILDFIRES.  I just 
passed my two-week vax period, and I am older than almost everybody 
who works at Elecraft.  Do the math.


73 Eric WD6DBM

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for
your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly
wouldn't
have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.



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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[David Gilbert]

Not true.  You're wrong, and you're just trying to obfuscate the point.

As I said, I don't have a K4 on order, but if I did have one on order 
and was given a clear projection that I could count on, at least I'd 
have what I needed to make an informed decision and I'd be satisfied 
with that.  Those who have invested in the K4 don't have that.


Dave   AB7E



On 3/30/2021 4:13 PM, Ray wrote:


Maybe Eric should just say……..

Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,

So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !

I am sure You would *not Accept or be Happy Either !*

Ray WA6VAB K3

*From: *David Gilbert 
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM
*To: *Hal Massey 
*Cc: *elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
*Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been

following the posts here on the reflector.

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for

your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't

have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.

Dave   AB7E

On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:

> David,

>

> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be

> sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to

> anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up

> have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the

> communications be gone by now??

>

> Regards

> -Hal

>

>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert > > wrote:

>>

>>

>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."

>>

>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of

>> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their

>> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly

>> leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same

>> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.

>>

>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack

>> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I

>> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication

>> on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find

>> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he

>> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on

>> actually producing the product that they paid for.

>>

>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4,

>> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.

>>

>> Dave  AB7E

>>

>>

>>

>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

>>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k

>>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I

>>> can.

>>>

>>>

>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I

>>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru

>>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new

>>> product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if

>>> they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees

>>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked

>>> very hard to make it a success.

>>>

>>>

>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me

>>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a

>>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to

>>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that

>>> day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team

>>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions

>>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million)

>>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the

>>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of

>>> further consolidation and rapid development.

>>>

>>>

>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential

>>> disaster we had all feared.

>>>

>>>

>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very

>>> smart people at work here.

>>>

>>>

>>> 73

>>>

>>> Lyn, W0LEN

>>>

>>>

>>> From: elecraft...@groups.io 

>>> [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io ] On

>>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft

>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM

>>> To: elecraft...@groups.io 

>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?

>>>

>>>

>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear

>>> something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've

>>> heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my

>>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of

>>> getting to me